See? Canadians are embracing our new multicultural mosaic – right up to our judiciary.
While she’s on probation, Magomadova can’t own weapons and will undergo counseling for depression. She’s also been ordered to attend anger management classes.
Because, as Whoopi Goldberg* might say – we know it wasn’t murder– murder.
Indeed. “I have always maintained that if Robert Latimer had let his wife start the truck nothing would have happened.”
Looks like the evil b***h is in violation of her probation already. She was enjoined against possessing weapons, yet the photograph of her leaving the court showed her wearing a hijab, precisely the sort of weapon used for the murder of her daughter. I’d like to see the Calgary police arrest her for breach of probation.
Fat chance, eh?
It seems that if you want to avoid jail time for killing in Calgary,the best defence is to be new to the country and wear a ‘headscarf’.
Rogers, 42, pleaded guilty in September 2008 to a single charge of careless driving under the Traffic Safety Act. She was fined $2,300 — the maximum penalty allowed — and her driver’s licence was suspended for 90 days.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2010/03/22/calgary-schoolbus-crash-fatality-girl-inquiry.html#ixzz0tqVas8ks
My mom told me I was a very serious little boy, so …
I’m trying to read a book of articles by Lysander Spooner (and no, definitely not “beach reading”). Title: “Let’s Abolish Government” (mises.org).
Chapter 1 is:
The Right of Juries to Judge of the Justice of the Laws. (Yes, juries could throw out a bad law).
Chapter 2 is entitled:
Trial by Jury as Defined by the Magna Carta.
According to Spooner, the Magna Carta allowed for no other trial than trial by jury. Moreover, the jury would decide the punishment. And NO, the judge would not INSTRUCT the jury.
I simply cannot imagine a jury allowing this murderer to WALK without a single day in jail.
VERY BRIEF BIO:
Lysander Spooner (January 19, 1808 – May 14, 1887) was an American individualist anarchist, lawyer, entrepreneur, libertarian, political philosopher, abolitionist, supporter of the labor movement, and legal theorist of the nineteenth century. He is also known for competing with the U.S. Post Office with his American Letter Mail Company, which was forced out of business by the United States government.
Me: Kill all the Lawyers (meant, of course, in the strictest literary sense only, ala Willie Shakspur.)
Oh, leave the poor dear alone – she’s been through enough. She’s lost her only daughter you know…
Me No Dhimmi – Shakespeare is a white Christian(?) hetrosexual(?) imperialist(!?!) pillar of the Hegemonic Eurocentric Sexist Ableist (yeah, that’s a thing, now) Cannon!
And who came up with the Magna Carta? Bunch of dead upper-class white guys, that’s who. Probably the same pack of fascists who wrote the American Constitution. (BTW, did you know that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? I bet nobody has ever pointed out the irony of that to you before!!!) What does the Magna Carta have to say about gay rights, eh? What relevance does it have to Native Healing Circles?
What kind of a person is named “Lysander”, anyway?
Denounce yourself!
When are we going to admit this was a Sharia law case in our Canadian courts?
This is a trial balloon, and nobody is standing up a shooting it out of the air with a cannon. Call your MP’s, MPP’s and civic politicians and rattle some cages!!!!
Beagle wrote:
>>note the religionists are all in favour of the
>>wet noodle.
>>which begs the Q, if right wing extremist
>>fundamentalists are all from the right wing,
>>how does SDA square this? hmmm? how do you
>>reconcile that the Jesus-is-the-only-saviour,
>>aka the-buybull-says-it-so-I-believe-it gang
>>are so soft on crime?
>>curious minds want to know.
You apparently are not aware that there are a number of “churches” that have jettisoned any belief in the Bible, or “Jesus-is-the-only-saviour” –look up “Anglican” or “United Church of Canada” and a few others in the phone book.
These “dead again” (to quote Steyn) churches are so desperate for relevancy and public acclaim that they embrace every leftist wacko cause and impose their pc views on an ever-shrinking, bewildered, aging membership. Thus, if you find a “church” whose main concern is leftist environemntalism, socialism, gay rights, justice for anyone but the victim, etc, you have found a group who has hijacked a church name and denomination. If the people, long since deceased, who endowed these groups with funds knew how they would be used, they would have included a sunset clause on their donation.
So yes, a “church” is sponsoring her, and feels badly if she goes to jail. I seriously doubt that this church cares if she ever hears of Jesus, who can save her from a much worse justice, a justice no Canadian judge can ignore.
It’s an Anglican church:
Marilyn Millions, one of Magomadova’s sponsors with St. James Anglican Church in Calgary, said outside court she was relieved “at the compassion and mercy that has been shown” by the court.
“There were lots of tears and emotion,” she said. “If you’ve lived through it and you’ve gotten to know these people, it’s all in the context. It’s a lot different than reading a little bit about it.”
Millions also said it was the wish of the family that “people would know mental health services for young people and . . . for their families will be improved, and changes made to the system, so that others who have to go through similar situations do not fall through the cracks.”
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Calgary+woman+strangled+daughter+with+scarf+spared+jail+time/3282277/story.html#ixzz0tsrF3dpz
Christianity is not a relativist’s faith, despite the protests of religious liberals. As a denomination, the Anglican church (outside of Africa) is a glorified and inefficient social service agency with a veneer of non-specific faith.
Scott Jacobsen, what you said @ 5:33 and 5:42. Many of what we used to consider Christian churches have become nothing but Marxist activist organizations.
When an atheist becomes the moderator of a mainline church such as the Untied Church of Canada can it still be called a Christian church?
To me, it’s fairly simple:
Jail the murderer and then deport her back to Chechnya at the end of her sentence; turn the dying (as in the Lockerbie bomber?) son over to Marilyn Millions to look after, since she sponsored this lot. Oh yes, and kick the judge off the bench.
Scott Jacobsen: “As a denomination, the Anglican church (outside of Africa) is a glorified and inefficient social service agency with a veneer of non-specific faith.”
EXACTLY. As a former Anglican who watched the ACC go down the tube social issue by social issue, so that there’s hardly any difference between the Anglican Church of Canada and the left-lib zeitgeist, I heartily concur with your assessment. And what you said, Ken (Kulak).
And, wouldn’t you know it? Magomadova’s a Muslim! An honour killing in plain view, only it’s the mom, not the dad, who killed the daughter.
‘Absolutely appalling that Magomadova’s not going to jail. ‘Appalling, too, that Marilyn Millions thinks that this is justice. Why not just wrap all the bad guys in cotton batten and save the court costs?
viktor at July 16, 2010 12:06 PM
Wise words that ought to give us all pause.
slaw writes: “I suspect this judge would be shocked to learn that anyone thought this sentence was was the least bit wrong.”
Oh, he might not be surprised that some people would object to his decision and the reasoning he used to reach it, but he would be certain that those people wouldn’t move in the same circles as his honourable self.
Ha! Oxymoron of the day : muslim honor.
All kidding aside, what do we do about it?
In addition to anger management class and depression treatments, the most astute and intelligent judge also ordered, “grief counseling”. mmm…. well, OK, you strangle your daughter and grief counseling is the punishment. As an American who likes your country a great deal, I’m going to Calgary and rob a bank since I know this wonderful judge will only give me credit card usage cousnseling after I steal a million or so loonies.
Let’s please not include Robert Latimer in any talk of injustice. The only injustice in his case is that he’s not still in jail. Don’t be fooled by his pitiful excuses, I never saw a picture of that little girl when she wasn’t absolutely beaming. I always thought too, that his wife was the classic abused woman. The only hill-billy to come from Saskatchewan.
Yeah right…. Anyways,though this killer is rarely identified as a member of the ROP,Cair-can does link to her story. Hmmm, no comment on the morality,or lack ,of it all.I figure just a display to their ‘folks’ that Islam rules the weak press of Canada.
This is a story for which no verdict would have been good. Apparently the daughter was seriously troubled. Unable to come to terms with Canadian society, her response was to classmates and teachers with violence and death threats. It might truly be that this is a sad case of family conflict turned violent with tragic results. I do not dismiss the mother’s keeping hold of the scarf for the required time, nor of her phone calls after; but I wonder how many of us, if faced by a violent and seriously beyond-contol child (who, from all accounts, was well able to inflict serious damage), would have had the self-control and ability to defuse the situation or – at the very least – to react with the minimum amount of violence necessary to satisfactorily resolve the situation.
Be that as it may, my concern is with the son: diagnosed with muscular dystrophy, with a few years’ life expectancy. Perhaps the mother’s real sentence is to care for her son and watch him die.
Frances: ” … but I wonder how many of us, if faced by a violent and seriously beyond-contol child (who, from all accounts, was well able to inflict serious damage), would have had the self-control and ability to defuse the situation …”
That’s a hypothetical question. Yes, who knows? But you can’t base the law on hypothetical situations and what ifs. I don’t know how I’d react to a child with the deficits of Magomadova’s daughter, but if I killed her, I rather suspect that I, as a white, British-heritage, Christian, would face the full weight of the law concerning the taking of a human life.
If we excuse people and exact no penalty for bad behaviour –and killing someone should definitely come under the rubric of bad behaviour — based on the pressures in their lives, we’re heading down an extremely slippery slope.
First, lots of people with very difficult lives don’t kill others and even rise above their negative situations. Second, is it reasonable to let people off the hook for criminal behaviour because they either “come from a dysfunctional home” or because their “lives are out of control”?
Uh uh.
You seem to be saying, Frances, oh let her off the hook because she was dealing with an intolerable situation: Lots of people are dealing with similar situations and don’t resort to violence leading to their child’s death. The law is supposed to be blind: Someone breaks the law and, whatever the circumstances, the law needs to deal with the crime and its consequences; it doesn’t — or, at least, it shouldn’t — have to take into account all of the reasons why the person who broke the law did so.
Frances – take a deep breath, then hold it for 2:30 – 3:00 minutes.
Standing ovation, Black Mamba!
Frances,…”apparently the girl was troubled”,apparently is not required.
Then,”it might truly be”,it truly is.
“I do not dismiss”. But you are.
“But I wonder”. No doubt you do.
“Perhaps the mother’s real sentence is to care for her son and watch him die.”… Many of us have watched loved ones die.It is not a punishment.It is life and the natural end of that life. This ogre already watched one die,up close and personal,at her own hands. Perhaps you should take Black Mamba’s excellent advice ,standing in front of a mirror.
Muslims come here as colonists rather than immigrants.
Nemo2 says it right.
It is doubtful honour killings are under reported since the whole point of those murders is to show the affected religious community that the well known “devout” head of the family has been redeemed. Disguised murders of family members being portrayed as accidents would likely fall more into the area of family criminality, financial blackmail, or dealing with threats by relatives to reveal something sensitive to others.
Well folks the sentence passed by this Judge is a classic example of the Judge using the “Social condition” as a mitigating factor when she let a killer go free. A yes the social condition, where society takes the blame and responsibility for another’s bad actions, deeds and addiction all run by our lovely stasi at the HRCs.
I was appalled when reports first came out of a mother killing her daughter, and even more so when details were published as to the method of murder. BUT I do not think this is a typical honour killing, rather the result of escalating violence within an extremely troubled family whose reaction to problems was violence. I agree the judge has made the wrong decision and sent a very wrong signal to others.
However, those who choose to excoriate me still haven’t addressed the other issue: if we jail mum, what do we do with the son?
I was appalled when reports first came out of a mother killing her daughter, and even more so when details were published as to the method of murder. BUT I do not think this is a typical honour killing, rather the result of escalating violence within an extremely troubled family whose reaction to problems was violence. I agree the judge has made the wrong decision and sent a very wrong signal to others.
However, those who choose to excoriate me still haven’t addressed the other issue: if we jail mum, what do we do with the son?
Why should we assume the son is safe with Mum? We might next hear that she did him in to ease his suffering.
This clip says it all. The Women is a Monster.
No remorse in Muslim land. No guilt for killing your own. Just excuses.
Clint Eastwood UNFORGIVEN Hell of a thing Killin a man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BppCSJZl_o
Frances @1:20 – not an honour killing? From the CBC article I linked @1:56PM –
“Magomadova told one health care worker that her daughter was a disgrace to the family and would be the only girl in Chechnya acting that way.”
The woman’s a nut, but her “honour”-obsessed culture told her what form her nuttiness and hatred should take.
“…if we jail mum, what do we do with the son?
Leave him in the care of someone who isn’t a child-murdering psycho? (BTW, if this wasn’t an honour murder, but merely “the result of escalating violence within an extremely troubled family whose reaction to problems was violence”, wouldn’t that put the boy in far more danger than otherwise?)