"..but decided against jail time saying that would be more about vengeance than justice."

If I ever find myself in front of a judge I hope I can use this.

No justice with our Canadian liberal infected "judiciary"

She should have been deported

I have a lot of trouble with this.
Without getting unnessassarilly morbid.......
Asphysia/strangling is not an instantaneous event. In practice 2-3 minutes....not a spur of the moment thing at all.
Murder is defined as "with malice aforethought".
Due to the protracted time involve the opportunity to cease and desist is present.
In practical terms, this "mother" had ample opportunity to cease and desist and did not opt to do so. IMHO this falls more into homocide than manslaughter.
This not an act of ommision or negligence......

Boy, once news of this tough sentence gets back to Chechnya, i'll send a chill through any immigrants who think that Canada is a haven for criminals....

What absolute mockery of justice! Aside from the obvious sex-bias of the judiciary, the focus on the murderer as victim instead of the murdered as victim is particularly mind-boggling.

The defence that won the day: The murdering mother lost her husband in Chechnya and her son has a terminal illness, therefore she should be absolved of killing her daughter.

.Un.be.lievable.

3 years probation.....

So.. How many other daughters does she have an opportunity to strangle?

note the religionists are all in favour of the wet noodle.

which begs the Q, if right wing extremist fundamentalists are all from the right wing, how does SDA square this? hmmm? how do you reconcile that the Jesus-is-the-only-saviour, aka the-buybull-says-it-so-I-believe-it gang are so soft on crime?

curious minds want to know.

I have always maintained that if Robert Latimer had let his wife start the truck nothing would have happened.

It is quite possible that one has to have a mind for it to be curious.

Mark Peters and trappedintrudeaupia say it well.

Damn straight, Speedy.

Speedy
[....I have always maintained that if Robert Latimer had let his wife start the truck nothing would have happened.....]

Yup. Like the guy who assaulted his wife by beating the ****** out of her hand with his face.
A male with a restraining order against his X is likely to be arrested if he calls the constabulary because she is busting in the window....
Beem there.......

Issue free scarves

What a crazy upside down country Canada is.

It hands out next to nothing sentences for criminal activity by Women and non-whites and throws the book at non-homosexual White males.

Doesn't she have a severly disabled son? Ergo the only mistake Latimer made was killing the ill and severly disabled child, I guess if you fit into a special Minority group you can kill your healthy kids with impunity. Latimer was the victim of a witch-hunt, organizations and activists representing the disabled went after him with utter venom.

There are days I hate what the leftards have done to this nation.

"The judge rejected self defence, but decided against jail time saying that would be more about vengeance than justice."

Someone needs to hang the victim's corpse around this black-robed retard's neck to remind them that justice is about compensating the victim for damage. Eye for an Eye tooth for tooth, life for life.

Isn't that what multi-culturalism is all about? The right of all individuals to believe that all other beliefs and peoples are inferior to their own? Of course girls are dispensable, if the mother's belief system says so. Who are we to judge who she can kill, or own as a slave?

Ouch, tongue got stuck in my cheek there for a moment. We're Canadians, and that's why we can tell her what to do if she comes here. It's called "the law", and "justice", and it's supposed to be blind.

Whatever happened to prison being a punishment? I guess as long as this wasn't an honour murder everything is alright.

This women was having trouble with her daughter and the daughter wound up dead. This woman has a terminally ill son, when will SHE determine that he is too much trouble??

There had better be an appeal of this . . simply appalling.

Maybe the judge thought she was Native Canadian?

"To be kind to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent" Adam Smith a Scot said that 250 years ago.
This must be appealed another Trudopeian mind fart.

The message is: a little bit of murder is OK.

will this set a precident in the courts for Honour Killings?

In a discussion with my grandson,late term abortion came up.He was in favor of it for all the usual reasons.I said that I agreed with him,in fact I sais that a mother should be able to kill their children up to the age of consent.He was taken aback by my statement.I said it to show him the slippery slope but I didnt realize that we had reached that point in actual fact in our judicial system.

Gay marriages, murdering your kids with impunity, sex ed to kindergarten children, reverse racism, rewriting history, these are all wonderful ideas brought to you by the left.

I have always felt that when a judge does something like this he should be forced to house the person in his own home for the duration of their probation.

From time to time at SDA, the question comes up as to whether or not Harper is sufficiently conservative enough. Incidents like this should remind us of the alternative.

This McGill Alumni site indicates that Sal J. LoVecchio was appointed Justice of the Court of Queen's Bench for the Judicial District of Calgary, April 1995. McGill University. 1995: Cretien appointee.

Additionally, the Vancouver Sun mentions the word that some reports are self-censoring.

Magomadova, a Muslim, admitted at trial to having a deadly confrontation with her troubled 14-year-old daughter Aminat at their home on Feb. 26, 2007.

According to this judge, punishment equates to vengeance equates to an injustice. During those probation years one MAY reflect upon having killed someone while on vacation somewhere.

God love this judge for teaching me about justice.

"Magomadova can't own weapons"

Did no one tell the judge she used a scarf to kill her daughter?

UN. FRIKKIN'. BEE. LEE. VA. BULL.

At least we won't have to pay to feed her in prison. But we're going to have to pay for her anger management program and her counselling for depression.

I'm with TJ: Have Magomadova move in with the judge and his family or into the house next door and make him live with this criminal.

I figure that I, of British heritage and a Christian, were to strangle one of my daughters, I'd be looking at a prison sentence. "Justice" in Canada is a total joke. No wonder so many international criminals and misfits want to come here.

We might as well put up billboards in foreign countries saying "Criminals/Misfits of the world! Come to Canada, where the mean streets are just waiting for you! Bring the people you hate and kill them -- for free! You'll never see the inside of a prison! We'll pamper and back-rub you, counsel and coddle you, all at the hard-working taxpayers' expense! We're such nice, multicultural boobs, we'd LOVE to give you a Canadian passport! Come one! Come all! Walk all over us and watch us smile!"

Kyrie eleison.

The judge actually applied Sharia law to this woman, not Canadian law.

The daughter shamed the family and therefore the mother had the right to do this.

This is the beginning of what Sharia will do to this country.

The decision in this case may be legally sound but it is also morally bankrupt. It speaks to the moral corruption of the entire ruling class. This includes not only the judiciary but an entire class of people indoctrinated by the universities which are dominated by "progressive" values.

What we are witnessing is the result of 70 years of a Gramscian inspired "long march through the institutions". He was a Marxist, of course.

Whether they, or we, realise it or not, our ruling class' world view is Marxist dominated. And don't think that your own world view is not, to some degree, contaminated by this too.

Those of us who are old can only look back with chagrin at the direction of the cultural tide.

If you fall into a fast tide you cannot do nothing or it will take you to your doom. If you try to fight against it you will fail because it is too powerful.

In fact, for my generation, our biggest mistake was to try swim against the tide. What we should have done was to swim with the tide and use our strength to get out ahead of it.

I am quite old a will die soon. Any insight that I have gained in this matter comes under the category of "too soon old and too late smart."

For those of you who are younger I can only say: Use your energies to get out ahead of them. You can't out muscle them. You are going to have to out smart them. The ballot box can only do so much. You are going to have to embark on a "long march to reclaim the institutions".

Don't waste your time trying to subdue the big institutions. Go after and reclaim the thousands of small "Societies and Foundations".

An excellent and extended essay on this subject: America's Ruling Class and the Perils of Revolution by Angelo M. Codevilla is up at the American Spectator.

And here is the lovely Rona Ambrose stating that we all must speak out about "honour killings" and defend young people in these muslim and other religious families that will kill or injure them. Guess this POS judge didn't get the memo yet or probably as a liberal elitist he sees the bigger picture far beyond our peasant eyes.

It is always the daughters that are beaten down, bagged and closely watched, wonder why that is?

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Tory+minister+continues+speak+against+honour+crimes/3283649/story.html

I read this little book* twice. Soon, thrice.

* "Private Production of Defense" by private property anarchist (anarcho capitalist) Hans-Herman Hoppe.

"She testified Aminat never really adjusted to life in Canada ..."
It is also obvious her mother has not adjusted to life in Canada too, kick her out now!

Dave - I also noticed during that press conference that they stated that there were a dozen or so "honour killings" in the last 10 years. I suspect the actual number is WAY higher. There were 7 young women killed last year in the Kingston/Gananoque area alone.
This MUST stop. If you are not going to live by the laws of OUR land, then go the f**k back to where you came from. Or even better - don't come here in the first place.

Deep breaths, blood pressure down....

Oh, and they can take that judge with them.

Many things come to mind reading this article.

First, regarding Kate's point, I said this a few weeks ago: If you're a woman and you're going to be murdered or raped, hope its by a white-guy, else you have little hope for justice.

Second, so for the protection of Canadians this woman can't "own weapons". For someone who murdered her daughter with a scarf, the ridiculousness of this restriction goes without saying. If we ban all of the scarfs, people will just start murdering with mitts! Perhaps we should be looking at the murderers, not their weapons of choice eh?

Finally, the judge "rejected self defence" as a defense; yet, "decided against jail time saying that would be more about vengeance than justice."
What a bunch of isht! Justice and vengeance are not mutually exclusive. Justice would be this woman's head on a stake for all to see. THAT might make people think twice!

"The devout Muslim mother claimed Aminat came at her with a knife in the sewing room where she prayed several times a day."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Suspended+sentence+provokes+outrage+killer+Calgary+mother+avoids+jail+time/3284889/story.html

an appeal is said to be in the works...

You guys miss the point. It was actually a love killing. It took 2 1/2 minutes to kill her. It was done because we all know the "Religion of the sexualized" Would never murder for Islam.
Thought for the day. If this where any other group except Muslims, what do you think would happen to this Womyn?

For some comparison to the Robert Latimer case, where it was widely reported in the media that the judge in that case had no option but to find for 2nd degree, and that the minimum sentence for this crime was life in prison with a minimum of 10 years before parole.

http://www.robertlatimer.net/letters_and_articles/tracy_and_eloise.htm

Perhaps if they opened safe Hijab exchange centers in Muslim areas these young women would not put themselves in a position where they deserve to be killed to regain the families magnificent Muslim Honor.

Is there any consideration for a "long scarf registry" in Canada or would that lack the requisite respect for Islam?

Sadly, this doesn't surprise me at all. A lot of the people I went to law school with were already disconnected from the real world and years spent thinking and living in a manner detached from practical realities has made them worse.

I suspect this judge would be shocked to learn that anyone thought this sentence was was the least bit wrong.

This CBC link:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/09/14/calgary-trial-magomadova-mother-daughter-murder-charge.html

Is attached to BlazingCatFur's post on the story. It goes on in some detail about how the daughter was a bit promiscuous (who's the judge of that?) and maybe took drugs and once - at the age of 13 or 14 - assaulted a teacher.

Blaming the victim. We've all heard of that, right? And it's a bad thing, right?

If a child in early-to-mid adolescence is emotionally disturbed, as this girl seems to have been, it is almost invariably because her family is severely messed up.

In my reading, this nutty Magomadova woman screwed up her child, murdered her (how could this killing possibly have been a "beating gone wrong"?), and basically got away with it because she's Muslim. She's dysfunctional trash who happens to come from a culture where child-murder is not necessarily frowned upon. And our justice system tries to understand/is terrified of said culture.

Rev. @1:19 - "love killing" or "love crime": the logical extension of the "hate crime" concept. Good coinage.

anne (not from cornwall), I am sure you have talked to people about islam as I have and most believe it is just a religion that when they spend time in our society they will embrace our ideals. My friends on the left refuse to see the danger of islam even though they read what is happening in Europe and around the world and now see hijabs everyday and burquas throughout Toronto in muslim areas.

You are right in thinking the number of "honour killings" is way underreported as it is in the UK. How can any woman wear a hijab, closed shoes, long sleeves and long pants and walk beside her man wearing shorts, sandles and golf shirt in Canada and not question why?

So why is it that the words devout Muslim are missing from all of the Canadian media reports of this case? First time I heard of it was after reading a Fox News item. Seems like my "honour killing" comment earlier(@10:15) wasn't that far off.

Texas Canuck, ... "devout muslim" is included in todays Calgary Herald link I provided above, as well as information that the knife armed victim intruded the muslima's prayer space / sewing room.

I don't know if intruding a muslim prayer space is part of the defense. In yesterday's newspaper coverage of this, "muslim" or "islam" wasn't included, today there is only the one mention of it, with "devout" as if that is supposed to imply "very religious" or pious? I don' know, it all stinks.

yeah, I'm surprised too...

This is not the least bit surprising. Female, member of protected group, progressive judge, hell yeah she gets off.

Why do we think there's all this CRIME going on in our cities? Because this is what happens to them when they do crime: nuttin'!

"..but decided against jail time saying that would be more about vengeance than justice."

That says it all, this judge sees justice as being all about punishment and nothing about deterrence.

This was another 'honor killing' but since it was committed by the mother and not a male member of the family it was OK ? The Canadian Justice Business is a travesty.

Looks like the evil b***h is in violation of her probation already. She was enjoined against possessing weapons, yet the photograph of her leaving the court showed her wearing a hijab, precisely the sort of weapon used for the murder of her daughter. I'd like to see the Calgary police arrest her for breach of probation.

Fat chance, eh?

It seems that if you want to avoid jail time for killing in Calgary,the best defence is to be new to the country and wear a 'headscarf'.

Rogers, 42, pleaded guilty in September 2008 to a single charge of careless driving under the Traffic Safety Act. She was fined $2,300 — the maximum penalty allowed — and her driver's licence was suspended for 90 days.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2010/03/22/calgary-schoolbus-crash-fatality-girl-inquiry.html#ixzz0tqVas8ks

My mom told me I was a very serious little boy, so ...
I'm trying to read a book of articles by Lysander Spooner (and no, definitely not "beach reading"). Title: "Let's Abolish Government" (mises.org).

Chapter 1 is:
The Right of Juries to Judge of the Justice of the Laws. (Yes, juries could throw out a bad law).

Chapter 2 is entitled:
Trial by Jury as Defined by the Magna Carta.

According to Spooner, the Magna Carta allowed for no other trial than trial by jury. Moreover, the jury would decide the punishment. And NO, the judge would not INSTRUCT the jury.
I simply cannot imagine a jury allowing this murderer to WALK without a single day in jail.

VERY BRIEF BIO:
Lysander Spooner (January 19, 1808 – May 14, 1887) was an American individualist anarchist, lawyer, entrepreneur, libertarian, political philosopher, abolitionist, supporter of the labor movement, and legal theorist of the nineteenth century. He is also known for competing with the U.S. Post Office with his American Letter Mail Company, which was forced out of business by the United States government.

Me: Kill all the Lawyers (meant, of course, in the strictest literary sense only, ala Willie Shakspur.)

Oh, leave the poor dear alone - she's been through enough. She's lost her only daughter you know...

Me No Dhimmi - Shakespeare is a white Christian(?) hetrosexual(?) imperialist(!?!) pillar of the Hegemonic Eurocentric Sexist Ableist (yeah, that's a thing, now) Cannon!

And who came up with the Magna Carta? Bunch of dead upper-class white guys, that's who. Probably the same pack of fascists who wrote the American Constitution. (BTW, did you know that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? I bet nobody has ever pointed out the irony of that to you before!!!) What does the Magna Carta have to say about gay rights, eh? What relevance does it have to Native Healing Circles?

What kind of a person is named "Lysander", anyway?

Denounce yourself!

When are we going to admit this was a Sharia law case in our Canadian courts?

This is a trial balloon, and nobody is standing up a shooting it out of the air with a cannon. Call your MP's, MPP's and civic politicians and rattle some cages!!!!

Beagle wrote:

>>note the religionists are all in favour of the
>>wet noodle.

>>which begs the Q, if right wing extremist
>>fundamentalists are all from the right wing,
>>how does SDA square this? hmmm? how do you
>>reconcile that the Jesus-is-the-only-saviour,
>>aka the-buybull-says-it-so-I-believe-it gang
>>are so soft on crime?

>>curious minds want to know.

You apparently are not aware that there are a number of "churches" that have jettisoned any belief in the Bible, or "Jesus-is-the-only-saviour" --look up "Anglican" or "United Church of Canada" and a few others in the phone book.

These "dead again" (to quote Steyn) churches are so desperate for relevancy and public acclaim that they embrace every leftist wacko cause and impose their pc views on an ever-shrinking, bewildered, aging membership. Thus, if you find a "church" whose main concern is leftist environemntalism, socialism, gay rights, justice for anyone but the victim, etc, you have found a group who has hijacked a church name and denomination. If the people, long since deceased, who endowed these groups with funds knew how they would be used, they would have included a sunset clause on their donation.

So yes, a "church" is sponsoring her, and feels badly if she goes to jail. I seriously doubt that this church cares if she ever hears of Jesus, who can save her from a much worse justice, a justice no Canadian judge can ignore.

It's an Anglican church:

Marilyn Millions, one of Magomadova's sponsors with St. James Anglican Church in Calgary, said outside court she was relieved "at the compassion and mercy that has been shown" by the court.

"There were lots of tears and emotion," she said. "If you've lived through it and you've gotten to know these people, it's all in the context. It's a lot different than reading a little bit about it."

Millions also said it was the wish of the family that "people would know mental health services for young people and . . . for their families will be improved, and changes made to the system, so that others who have to go through similar situations do not fall through the cracks."

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Calgary+woman+strangled+daughter+with+scarf+spared+jail+time/3282277/story.html#ixzz0tsrF3dpz

Christianity is not a relativist's faith, despite the protests of religious liberals. As a denomination, the Anglican church (outside of Africa) is a glorified and inefficient social service agency with a veneer of non-specific faith.

Scott Jacobsen, what you said @ 5:33 and 5:42. Many of what we used to consider Christian churches have become nothing but Marxist activist organizations.

When an atheist becomes the moderator of a mainline church such as the Untied Church of Canada can it still be called a Christian church?

To me, it's fairly simple:

Jail the murderer and then deport her back to Chechnya at the end of her sentence; turn the dying (as in the Lockerbie bomber?) son over to Marilyn Millions to look after, since she sponsored this lot. Oh yes, and kick the judge off the bench.

Scott Jacobsen: "As a denomination, the Anglican church (outside of Africa) is a glorified and inefficient social service agency with a veneer of non-specific faith."

EXACTLY. As a former Anglican who watched the ACC go down the tube social issue by social issue, so that there's hardly any difference between the Anglican Church of Canada and the left-lib zeitgeist, I heartily concur with your assessment. And what you said, Ken (Kulak).

And, wouldn't you know it? Magomadova's a Muslim! An honour killing in plain view, only it's the mom, not the dad, who killed the daughter.

'Absolutely appalling that Magomadova's not going to jail. 'Appalling, too, that Marilyn Millions thinks that this is justice. Why not just wrap all the bad guys in cotton batten and save the court costs?

viktor at July 16, 2010 12:06 PM

Wise words that ought to give us all pause.

slaw writes: "I suspect this judge would be shocked to learn that anyone thought this sentence was was the least bit wrong."

Oh, he might not be surprised that some people would object to his decision and the reasoning he used to reach it, but he would be certain that those people wouldn't move in the same circles as his honourable self.

Ha! Oxymoron of the day : muslim honor.

All kidding aside, what do we do about it?

In addition to anger management class and depression treatments, the most astute and intelligent judge also ordered, "grief counseling". mmm.... well, OK, you strangle your daughter and grief counseling is the punishment. As an American who likes your country a great deal, I'm going to Calgary and rob a bank since I know this wonderful judge will only give me credit card usage cousnseling after I steal a million or so loonies.

Let's please not include Robert Latimer in any talk of injustice. The only injustice in his case is that he's not still in jail. Don't be fooled by his pitiful excuses, I never saw a picture of that little girl when she wasn't absolutely beaming. I always thought too, that his wife was the classic abused woman. The only hill-billy to come from Saskatchewan.

Yeah right.... Anyways,though this killer is rarely identified as a member of the ROP,Cair-can does link to her story. Hmmm, no comment on the morality,or lack ,of it all.I figure just a display to their 'folks' that Islam rules the weak press of Canada.

This is a story for which no verdict would have been good. Apparently the daughter was seriously troubled. Unable to come to terms with Canadian society, her response was to classmates and teachers with violence and death threats. It might truly be that this is a sad case of family conflict turned violent with tragic results. I do not dismiss the mother's keeping hold of the scarf for the required time, nor of her phone calls after; but I wonder how many of us, if faced by a violent and seriously beyond-contol child (who, from all accounts, was well able to inflict serious damage), would have had the self-control and ability to defuse the situation or - at the very least - to react with the minimum amount of violence necessary to satisfactorily resolve the situation.

Be that as it may, my concern is with the son: diagnosed with muscular dystrophy, with a few years' life expectancy. Perhaps the mother's real sentence is to care for her son and watch him die.

Frances: " ... but I wonder how many of us, if faced by a violent and seriously beyond-contol child (who, from all accounts, was well able to inflict serious damage), would have had the self-control and ability to defuse the situation ..."

That's a hypothetical question. Yes, who knows? But you can't base the law on hypothetical situations and what ifs. I don't know how I'd react to a child with the deficits of Magomadova's daughter, but if I killed her, I rather suspect that I, as a white, British-heritage, Christian, would face the full weight of the law concerning the taking of a human life.

If we excuse people and exact no penalty for bad behaviour --and killing someone should definitely come under the rubric of bad behaviour -- based on the pressures in their lives, we're heading down an extremely slippery slope.

First, lots of people with very difficult lives don't kill others and even rise above their negative situations. Second, is it reasonable to let people off the hook for criminal behaviour because they either "come from a dysfunctional home" or because their "lives are out of control"?

Uh uh.

You seem to be saying, Frances, oh let her off the hook because she was dealing with an intolerable situation: Lots of people are dealing with similar situations and don't resort to violence leading to their child's death. The law is supposed to be blind: Someone breaks the law and, whatever the circumstances, the law needs to deal with the crime and its consequences; it doesn't -- or, at least, it shouldn't -- have to take into account all of the reasons why the person who broke the law did so.

Frances - take a deep breath, then hold it for 2:30 - 3:00 minutes.

Standing ovation, Black Mamba!

Frances,..."apparently the girl was troubled",apparently is not required.

Then,"it might truly be",it truly is.

"I do not dismiss". But you are.

"But I wonder". No doubt you do.

"Perhaps the mother's real sentence is to care for her son and watch him die."... Many of us have watched loved ones die.It is not a punishment.It is life and the natural end of that life. This ogre already watched one die,up close and personal,at her own hands. Perhaps you should take Black Mamba's excellent advice ,standing in front of a mirror.

Muslims come here as colonists rather than immigrants.

Nemo2 says it right.

It is doubtful honour killings are under reported since the whole point of those murders is to show the affected religious community that the well known "devout" head of the family has been redeemed. Disguised murders of family members being portrayed as accidents would likely fall more into the area of family criminality, financial blackmail, or dealing with threats by relatives to reveal something sensitive to others.

Well folks the sentence passed by this Judge is a classic example of the Judge using the "Social condition" as a mitigating factor when she let a killer go free. A yes the social condition, where society takes the blame and responsibility for another's bad actions, deeds and addiction all run by our lovely stasi at the HRCs.

I was appalled when reports first came out of a mother killing her daughter, and even more so when details were published as to the method of murder. BUT I do not think this is a typical honour killing, rather the result of escalating violence within an extremely troubled family whose reaction to problems was violence. I agree the judge has made the wrong decision and sent a very wrong signal to others.

However, those who choose to excoriate me still haven't addressed the other issue: if we jail mum, what do we do with the son?

I was appalled when reports first came out of a mother killing her daughter, and even more so when details were published as to the method of murder. BUT I do not think this is a typical honour killing, rather the result of escalating violence within an extremely troubled family whose reaction to problems was violence. I agree the judge has made the wrong decision and sent a very wrong signal to others.

However, those who choose to excoriate me still haven't addressed the other issue: if we jail mum, what do we do with the son?

Why should we assume the son is safe with Mum? We might next hear that she did him in to ease his suffering.

This clip says it all. The Women is a Monster.
No remorse in Muslim land. No guilt for killing your own. Just excuses.

Clint Eastwood UNFORGIVEN Hell of a thing Killin a man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BppCSJZl_o

Frances @1:20 - not an honour killing? From the CBC article I linked @1:56PM -

"Magomadova told one health care worker that her daughter was a disgrace to the family and would be the only girl in Chechnya acting that way."

The woman's a nut, but her "honour"-obsessed culture told her what form her nuttiness and hatred should take.

"...if we jail mum, what do we do with the son?

Leave him in the care of someone who isn't a child-murdering psycho? (BTW, if this wasn't an honour murder, but merely "the result of escalating violence within an extremely troubled family whose reaction to problems was violence", wouldn't that put the boy in far more danger than otherwise?)