The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.
The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.
“He certainly isn’t behaving as a responsible leader who must clean up the spill under the federal clean water act. Telling BP to clean it up and then walking away is irresponsible.
Since Obama doesn’t make decisions on his own, then, what’s the agenda of the radical socialists who run him?”
ET
A probable cause is the Glenn Beck scenario where it is to benefit George Soros and his Petrobras project on the Brazilian coast where barges are desperately needed to start pumping…Explaining the 6 months modatorium on the Gulf. But that’s just one of many “side effects” IMO.
The “socialists” are really THE Government and the immediat ones on their dole. It is a fact that the Feds desparately need new cash flow via new taxes. The big government monster supported by unions are seeing their own cushy salaries, benefits and retirements jeopardized right now. Unlike the private sector which must adapt by going leaner in tougher times, Goverment see themselves as royalty. Defecits are created in large part to keep them going and that’s criminal and should never be allowed in any democracy. Deficits should never be allowed except in times of war (Defensive mode only) or acts of god AKA Katrina for example.
So, being Obama’s style is to run by crisis mode, the splill is counted on to become bad enough for public opinion to eventually side with more regulations and the ultimate goal: Cap & trade or maybe an indirect tax on energy producers, something of the sort.
It seems to be working as this poll shows public opinion is moving towards that:
“…While a majority still favors greater offshore drilling, support has slipped considerably over the past month as the Gulf oil spill has grown worse—from 60% in May to 53% now.
Sixty-three percent support legislation to reduce carbon emissions and increase the use of alternative and renewable energy sources, even if it means an increase in energy costs…”
Via Drudge:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703900004575325263274951230.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories
So we all know big business is using big government. The desired illusion both parties are working on to create is that Big government oversight is needed to keep evil big business in check ie BP apparent fumbling and unproffesionalism.
In reality and this is well understood by the Tea party movement making them such a threat to big government is that what’s really needed is a reduced size government. Everybody knows that lobbying will always exist and that corruption is inevitable. The only way to minimize it is to drastically reduce the size and influence of Governments; at all levels.
The real enemy to the people is big government. Period. Georges Soros, GE, Al Gore, unions etc. Are just side effects.
“He certainly isn’t behaving as a responsible leader who must clean up the spill under the federal clean water act. Telling BP to clean it up and then walking away is irresponsible.
Since Obama doesn’t make decisions on his own, then, what’s the agenda of the radical socialists who run him?”
ET
A probable cause is the Glenn Beck scenario where it is to benefit George Soros and his Petrobras project on the Brazilian coast where barges are desperately needed to start pumping…Explaining the 6 months modatorium on the Gulf. But that’s just one of many “side effects” IMO.
The “socialists” are really THE Government and the immediat ones on their dole. It is a fact that the Feds desparately need new cash flow via new taxes. The big government monster supported by unions are seeing their own cushy salaries, benefits and retirements jeopardized right now. Unlike the private sector which must adapt by going leaner in tougher times, Goverment see themselves as royalty. Defecits are created in large part to keep them going and that’s criminal and should never be allowed in any democracy. Deficits should never be allowed except in times of war (Defensive mode only) or acts of god AKA Katrina for example.
So, being Obama’s style is to run by crisis mode, the splill is counted on to become bad enough for public opinion to eventually side with more regulations and the ultimate goal: Cap & trade or maybe an indirect tax on energy producers, something of the sort.
It seems to be working as this poll shows public opinion is moving towards that:
“…While a majority still favors greater offshore drilling, support has slipped considerably over the past month as the Gulf oil spill has grown worse—from 60% in May to 53% now.
Sixty-three percent support legislation to reduce carbon emissions and increase the use of alternative and renewable energy sources, even if it means an increase in energy costs…”
For the link, Google Drudge and look for:
“Confidence waning in Obama”
We all know big business is using big government. The desired illusion both parties are working on to create is that Big government oversight is needed to keep evil big business in check ie BP apparent fumbling and unproffesionalism right now as an example, just like the banks and GM were.
In reality and this is well understood by the Tea party movement making them such a threat to big government is that what’s really needed is a reduced size government. Everybody knows that lobbying will always exist and that corruption is inevitable. The only way to minimize it is to drastically reduce the size and influence of Governments; at all levels.
The real enemy to the people is big government. Period.
Georges Soros, GE, Al Gore, unions etc. Are just side effects of BIG Guv.
Great comments everyone. IMO, SDAers have the anointed one’s number – in spades! I like your heading Kate, “it is time for no”. ‘No 0’; ‘0, no’. The US citiens must stand on their hind legs and say no to the Bolshevick Brat and his thug pals before the most powerful, compassionate, serf liberating nation that has ever graced the earth falls to the grist mill of human humilation and slavery.
“So Jindal’s expensive berm, won’t be permanent. But it doesn’t need to be, does it? If it lasts long enough that the wild well can be capped, and the bulk of the slick mopped up, it will have served its purpose.”
“Yes, any artificial sand berm will be a temporary resident, but that’s all it needs to be.”
“gordonkneehill and kevins – exactly right. ”
Ah..no….exactly wrong…do you people not read?
Once again…
“$171 million for the initial 45 miles of the permitted project.”
“serious concerns among coastal scientists, including myself, that it will not be effective in keeping oil from the coast, could do more environmental harm than good, and would be extremely expensive.”
“could alter wave and current patterns and velocities in ways that could accelerate the region’s already unsustainable rate of coastal erosion”
“There has been little scientific review. It is questionable if the proposed berm will prevent oil from entering the wetlands it is designed to protect. The structure will be very short-lived. And there are many potential negative impacts of this structure on the coastal environment that have not been evaluated”
“building a 45-mile sand berm could alter tidal currents and lead to the erosion of natural barrier islands that protect the Louisiana coast from hurricanes.”
and oil will be spewing until August, with hurricane season around the corner.
In short, it’s not a very good idea, hasn’t been well researched, may do more harm than good, might not do any good, has had very little assessment and costs a lot.
“To say that ‘nature will eventually deal with the oil’ is naive and to wait for ‘scientific tests’ is pedantic and short-sighted.”
No one is suggesting that “nature dead with the oil” and to put the idea to some testing and analysis is the OPPOSITE of short-sighted!
Once again…
“building a 45-mile sand berm could alter tidal currents and lead to the erosion of natural barrier islands that protect the Louisiana coast from hurricanes.”
“A probable cause is the Glenn Beck scenario”
Hahaha…Glenn Beck is a delusional, mentally unstable, clown-show.
“No one is suggesting that “nature dead with the oil” and to put the idea to some testing and analysis is the OPPOSITE of short-sighted!”
Except that oil is up on the shore -today-, while more is still flowing freely into the Gulf, -today-. They do not have any more time. Build it now or just kiss off the entire shoreline biome for what, 20 years?
Freelance or payroll, bjt? Third time’s the charm?
BTJ, youre gruel is getting really thin.
I, like others here, senses the typical lefty position about the environment, the earth and it’s ecosystem being ultra fragile to any disruption.
You guys always seem to forget that mother nature is more disruptive to herself than what man does to her 99% of the time.
The planet is much more resilient than you think.
Have you ever seen “Life After People” where they show nature always at war with man’s infrastructures and that all visible traces of mankind would completely dissapear in a mere 2 centuries at most if man was gone tomorrow?
They take us to the site of Chernobyl where zealous little scientists like yourself declared that no life would come back there for a very long time. The place is completely reclaimed by nature. Vegetation, animals everything. Man can safely move back there now.
I’m guessing you are probably relatively young, you were born and raised and still live in an urban setting. Your problem is typical to the greenies: You are completely disconnected from nature. You need a few years out in the bush.
You sir have, what I call the AVATAR virus.
“A probable cause is the Glenn Beck scenario”
“Hahaha…Glenn Beck is a delusional, mentally unstable, clown-show.”
Until you can concretely disprove Beck’s theories you just sounded like T, the goof.
Your slip is showing…I though you smarter than that.
And Keith Olbermann is what?
Barak Obama doesn’t care about Shrimp’n Boat Captians.
“Except that oil is up on the shore -today-”
Right, so there’s the question…are these berms just ‘closing the gate’ behind the oil already on shore? It will take at least 6 months to finish these berms…the truth is no one knows what they are doing because we never learn from oil spills. The company that is responsible always keeps everyone out, scientists, researchers, engineers, so that their liability can be minimized…thus there is no one there to observe and find new solutions.
“Freelance or payroll, bjt? Third time’s the charm?”
Don’t be upset you got called out…remember your post…about state scientists? I provided you with the words straight from one of them…and you ignore him…as many of you do best.
“They do not have any more time. Build it now or just kiss off the entire shoreline biome for what, 20 years?”
There is always time for rational thinking…the oil is going to hit the coast sand berms or not. Do you realize those berms aren’t even built up as high as the water level? So that lots of oil will just go right over top? And no, the biome will come back much faster than 20 years, especially if there is ongoing clean-up efforts. This is not a do or die situation.
“I, like others here, senses the typical lefty position about the environment, the earth and it’s ecosystem being ultra fragile to any disruption.”
No, you sense an opinion that doesn’t just stand in line with the rest of you…and you refer to that as lefty..no matter what the actual position is. As well, your position is closer to being Neoconservative than conservative…which means YOU’RE closer to the left than you want to believe.
“The planet is much more resilient than you think.”
Oh I know the planet is incredibly resilient…the question is ARE WE? The earth will be here long after we are, no matter what we do…it’s whether we are shooting ourselves in the foot or not.
“Your problem is typical to the greenies: You are completely disconnected from nature.”
Ah, like I’ve said…I work in FORESTRY! I grew up backpacking, hiking, rock-climbing, etc.
“Until you can concretely disprove Beck’s theories”
I don’t have to, his theories are so ridiculous and unprovable that it’s a small wonder the man hasn’t been placed in a mental ward. He’s a clown, anyone who listens to him without laughing or questioning his sanity is themselves delusional.
“And Keith Olbermann is what?”
Almost as ridiculous..just without the extreme holier than thou, superiority complex.
“‘Yes, any artificial sand berm will be a temporary resident, but that’s all it needs to be.’
‘gordonkneehill and kevins – exactly right. ‘
Ah..no….exactly wrong…do you people not read?”
So what exactly is the proper course of action then? What is “exactly wrong” about constructing temporary barriers to confine as much of the oil as possible to open water? Does your sense of ideological purity not permit a lesser offense in order to mitigate a much larger one? If the oil infiltrates more expanses of wetland can we take solace in knowing that we at least didn’t pump sand from one area to another?
I don’t see where we have the luxury of conducting comprehensive impact studies of every emergency action being proposed by the governor. Especially not when there is a very real and very massive environmental threat encroaching the shoreline of four states. Sometimes you have to amputate a limb to save the body. I don’t think anyone relishes it or undertakes it flippantly.
bjt blorked: “This is not a do or die situation.”
Of course not. Because its not a Republican in the White House. We can wait months and months for studies and studies on the exact right place to dig, and collect all the opinions from every single guy out there with a different opinion. Because unlike the Exxon Valdez which was the end of the world (Republican president), this much larger and still on-going spill is really no big deal (Democrat).
You don’t think maybe the guy you quoted was miffed that they didn’t listen to his learned opinion and listened instead to some other state employee’s learned opinion? You don’t think there are arguments to be made in support of the current dredging location?
You don’t think its easier to clean oil off sand than off a mangrove swamp?
Don’t answer. I can’t be bothered to talk to you any more.
“So what exactly is the proper course of action then?”
Getting advice from state researchers and specialist before enacting a 6 month long, hundred and seventy five million dollar plan.
“What is “exactly wrong” about constructing temporary barriers to confine as much of the oil as possible to open water?”
A) It is so temporary it may get washed away before it really does anything
B) It may confine the oil that enters the shores and estuaries to the shore and estuaries
C) It may put the shore at a higher risk to erosion and hurricane damage
D) It doesn’t confine anything, it traps some of the oil that is not directly on the surface
E) It costs 175 million dollars
“Does your sense of ideological purity not permit a lesser offense in order to mitigate a much larger one? ”
No, logic will not permit a larger offense in order to mitigate a lesser one.
“I don’t see where we have the luxury of conducting comprehensive impact studies of every emergency action being proposed by the governor.”
The major ones, the ones that take 6 months and 175 million dollars we should…or is it 360 million.
What do you mean ‘proposed by the governor’?
A) He’s a politician, he doesn’t know sh1t
B) It was proposed by the Corps of Engineers and the Coast Guard, without any other input/review
C) They were given 10 days notice only to move, as they were taking sand from outside the proposed area
“You don’t think there are arguments to be made in support of the current dredging location?”
You go find a good one and give it a post.
“You don’t think its easier to clean oil off sand than off a mangrove swamp?”
Sure it is…the concept is good, has some thinking and logic behind it…but the overall plan is not very well thought out..more of a reaction from the public pressure to ‘do something, anything’
Because likely “something, anything” would be an improvement over purposeful delay/dithering and sabotaging efforts at cleanup in order to leverage the disaster to support one’s marxist views of dismantling the economy through purposeful reduction of the country’s energy supply.
But by all means, let’s take some more time to pontificate and watch barry fiddle while rome burns. There’s lots of time to study these environmental catastrophes and delay immediate action, unless they are faux catastrophes that imply transnational economic transfer payments and governance such as AGW as mentioned above.
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