The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.
The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.
Obama’s working on the oil spill, alright, working to ensure that he maximizes the damage it does. Oil-sucking barges? Shut down for ‘safety inspections’. Sand berm dredges? They’re in environmentally sensitive areas and could damage them before the oil destroys everything.
I’m sure his next move will be to order BP to cease all operations to fix the leak because their drilling permit only covers ‘drilling’, not ‘fixing leaks’.
Not quite. The relief well will fall under the moratorium!
Right – Obama and the radical socialists who run him have a particular agenda.
One part of this agenda is, for Obama, part of his pathological psychology. Obama can’t allow other people to have control over their own lives and in their interactions with the world and with him. He can’t allow other people ‘to be strong’. As I’ve said before, he probably moved into this as a young boy.
The radical left socialists who run him have an agenda of disempowering the population from all individual capacity and power and render them passive within a statist rule.
Put the two together – the psychological aberration and the ideological aberration – and you have the Obama Government. Their agenda is to, in this case, increase the devastation and get cap and trade through.
A question – heh – where are the environmentalists in this scenario? Why aren’t they beating down the Obama door and insisting on care and concern for the environment?
And notice how the Obama gang works. Create or use a crisis, define it with emotional hysteria, and insist on a statist bill being passed to deal with it. Obama has done this format in EVERY situation: The Stimulus Bill; the Health Care Bill, and now, Cap and Trade.
Same strategy every time. Crisis Format..with an insistence that the ONLY reaction MUST be a statist bill. Passed without reading, without debate.
Watch him do it with this oil spill. He has no intention of cleaning up the spill.
Watch him do it with immigration. Obama has no intention of protecting the border with Mexico. He’s suing Arizona – heh – to curry votes with hispanics. And, he’s allowing illegal criminals to stake out turf in Arizona as ‘their land’. He does nothing. He’ll watch it increase – and then, try to get his amnesty bill passed.
Obama; The Crisis-and-Pass a Statist Bill man.
Un-@#%K*&$believable!…What a wake up call!…I can’t believe this is all happening…Everything seems to be falling apart… at warp speed.
This is real time Cloward-Piven strategy. The objective is to push BP into receivership, audio available of Robert Reich making just that statement one week into the spill :google it. The federal government wants to acquire BP through the bankruptcy courts like they did General Motors. $20 billion slush fund now available for Obama to use at his discretion. Push the rigs to Brazil for Soros and finance that operation with taxpayer money. Google it. Cloward-Piven. This is a Marxist regime that is building a police state one crisis at a time. Wait until he makes millions of illegal aliens citizens through an Executive order, which will introduce more chaos into the system and economy. Cloward-piven. Can’t find a nickle to help Tennessee with the flood they had but $400 million to the Palestinian territories run by Hamas. Cloward-Piven ALL THE WAY.
Rise up, Americans!…There was a bloodless coup that occured in your country on Nov 2nd 2008, a date that will now live in infamy along with the attack on Pearl Harbour.
Time for “no”? Time for “HELL no!”
http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/06/government-policy-vs-reality.html
Time for some Arizona-style state’s rights. “You want me to stop? Shoot me, monkey boy!”
There are reports that BP and MMS knew about problem since February. “Two days ago, however, Bloomberg reported that both BP and MMS were well aware of the high risk of a blowout at that particular well. BP and its subcontractor Transocean had in fact been fighting against a blowout for over two months, and MMS was well aware of the situation:”
This revelation shows that the disaster was far from unforeseen. In fact, it appears that it had already come close to a catastrophic blowout just six weeks before eleven people died in the subsequent explosion. BP didn’t exactly keep it a secret, either. They informed MMS of the problem, which apparently did nothing to intervene in a situation serious enough that a similar situation caused Exxon to shut down its well in 2006.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/19/bp-disaster-started-in-february/
However this is where it gets interesting:
Goldman Sachs wasn’t alone either in its astute “foreknowledge” of the collapse of BP’s stock value due to the Gulf disaster as BP’s own chief executive, Tony Hayward, sold about one-third of his shares weeks before this catastrophe began unfolding too.
But according to this FSB report the largest seller of BP stock in the weeks before this disaster occurred was the American investment company known as Vanguard who through two of their financial arms (Vanguard Windsor II Investor and Vanguard Windsor Investor) unloaded over 1.5 million shares of BP stock saving their investors hundreds of millions of dollars, chief among them President Obama.
Is that insider trading??
http://www.twawki.com/?p=6768
For a list of sellers before March 31 see:
http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-selling.html?t=BP®ion=USA&culture=en-US
A real president, a real leader, would be cutting through this bureaucratic nonsense, setting priorities, and in this case telling the Fish & Wildlife department to pound sand (literally!).
Obama is so far in over his head even the leftist media is taking notice. He simply has no idea how to do these kind of things, even if he wanted to. He can’t be bothered with the hard work of actually governing. He’d far sooner give his grand idealistic speeches and then run off to the golf course.
ET, I find your analysis extremely concise and to the point, and I agree. The one thing they haven’t done that they needed to do to make this agenda work is gun control. Bill Clinton screwed that up, now its too late.
In the USA you can’t get 9mm or 5.56mm ammunition most of the time, you have to get on the waiting list and buy a whole case if and when it comes in from the factory. Private ammunition companies are running three shifts, and have been since Obama got the Democrat nomination.
When you see an entire country quietly start to arm-up as the Americans have since 2008, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure there’s going to be a show down in the near future. Arizona is having their showdown right now, Louisiana will probably have theirs this week. To be closely followed by Texas, Florida etc.
Arizona will probably have private citizens hunting down drug smugglers in the desert before Christmas, there won’t be any alternative. There aren’t enough cops in the whole state to do it, and the Feds have served notice they aren’t going to. Private enterprise steps in where socialism drops the ball. I’d like to be wrong about this prediction, but fear I won’t be.
Louisiana may very well end up defying Coast Guard and other federal departments wholesale, perhaps to the extent of arming dredge crews. That’d be a hell of a thing, eh?
Leftist trolls rage on and on about the Eeeevile Stephen Harper, but I notice sales of guns and ammunition are not at record highs all over Canada.
It would be interested to know PMSH’s un guarded views on such matters.
I can’t believe I’m still shocked at how much devestation this administration is will to inflict for progress.
Aside from this being ultra vires of federal authority under the 10th amendment (when did constitutional restraint mean anything to gangster socialists) but it makes sense if you understand that the BO Commies have vested interests in this being the worst disaster they can create.
Remember what the real president (Rahm Emanuel) said: “never let a good crisis go to waste”. In other words disasters drive agenda legislating.
After this thing shakes out into a multi-year disaster, there will be no privately owned oil companies in the US who do not have the government as a silent partner.
“Arizona will probably have private citizens hunting down drug smugglers in the desert before Christmas…”
Phantom
You are probably already aware of this. I actually saw footage (On the MSM believe or not) of citizens in army garb, armed to the teeth, walking and survailing the Mexican border:
“Recently, groups of private citizens have begun patrolling the United States–Mexico border in an attempt to supplement the efforts of the U.S. Border Patrol. (6) It is unclear whether this initiative by private border-patrol groups is in response to their perception that the federal government is unable to effectively patrol our borders or, alternately, that the federal government lacks real political will to solve the problem. Nevertheless, it is clear that the private individuals volunteering for citizen border patrols are sufficiently motivated, either ideologically or economically, in opposition to illegal immigration to forfeit their weekends to patrol the hot, dry, and sometimes dangerous (7) United States-Mexico border. The volunteers’ motivation to take on this undesirable task often springs from a belief that undocumented migrants cause increases in crime, (8) drugs, (9) government expense, (10) and lost jobs (11) in their local communities and throughout the United States. As in many situations in which emotions run high and opinions are deeply held, this scenario places both the volunteer citizens and the individuals encountering the volunteer citizens at an increased risk of harm. ”
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-167305802/volunteer-border-patrol-inevitable.html
It has also been news this week that powerful Mexican drug cartels have permanently set up shop in the States countryside near the border and told the press “They will fight”
It’s on…
If played right this could be a true call-to-arms for the empowered citizenry of Louisiana. The time is now to ignore the communist in the White House and do whatever you want to mitigate this spill.
Barack Hussein the Muslim Obama has exceeded his constitutional mandate on this and abdicated his responsibilities elsewhere.
The time for “No” has arrived…
Actually, Kate, someone else has another name for it…
http://www.defundanddisobey.com/
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
Adolph Hitler or Barry Soetoro or Barack Obama ?
Will BP cap this well with it’s relief wells or will they use them to help pay the $20 billion. Take the pressure off the leaking well then fix the leak.Suck up the production from all three wells and you are talking Billions of dollars worth of oil from just three wells in this oil play.
What we have not heard is just how big this site is.
Yeah, well, saying “no” and continuing to dredge would at least get some NG troops sent, if only to arrest the dredgers.
Someone asked, where are the environmentalists in all this. They ARE the problem and ultimately responsible for federal agencies empowered to halt, defer, make project proponents pay through the nose for studies and more studies and plans and more plans and exposure to “stakeholders” or litigants, to shut down, etc. THIS is business as usual. The greens ARE a big part of Obamugabe’s controlling masters that ET refers to. He is at least as beholden to them as his union bosses like SEIU. Mainstream Marxists, 20 years ago cloaked themselves in green to stay “fashionable”. The “environmental” knowledge of most greens has little to do with any uncontaminated science that can be associated with the environment and actually better summed up as pseudo-environmentalism. Those exceptional environmental scientists true to science are usually not rounded enough in big picture real world economics to intelligently venture beyond the esoterica of their respective fields and most don’t. The “green” agenda is a thinly disguised pretext for vastly increased statism at all levels.
Mojo,
I’m fairly certain that the National Guard cannot be used to enforce a federal mandate without either an Act of Congress, or the order of the respective Governor of the State. The NG also has fairly limited naval assets – they’re mostly just Air and Army.
It’s getting worse at the gusher:
“The containment system capturing oil from the Gulf of Mexico spill had to be removed Wednesday, leaving the gusher unchecked after a collision involving a robotic submarine, US officials said.”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=TX-PAR-EEX47&show_article=1
AND, the flow of oil has increased:
Google Drudge and find the link. It’s the BP live cam feed…Right now the picture is dead. Ummm!
Me No Dhimmi thinks ET doth protest too much.
What’s that, now 1000 times for: “Obama and the radical socialists who run him” from which we are to infer that he himself is not a full-on socialist?
Sure, Soros and Podesta, et al, run the show — all policians are RUN by interests or in the earlier formulation, “factions”; virtually all legistation is literally written by factions and delivered to the floor for passing — but it is illogical to conclude that, because Obama is a mere front man, he doesn’t fully share that destructive ideology. And illogical to suggest that the presence of a psychological malady nullifies him as a socialist. I argue, correctly, that such psychological maladies are the very fertilizer of the socialist mind, for only a sick person (over age 21 say) can be a socialist.
Clearly, it’s now official: Obama is deliberately, persistently setting out to destroy American capitalism, taking dictation, of course, from people who have the resources and technical knowledge of how to execute this diabolical plan. Obama is the salesman; it’s illogical to insist that the salesman doesn’t believe in his product or service.
Obama is a marxist. It’s dawning on me that maybe academic ET thinks “marxist” is an honorific of sorts and therefore refuses to bestow it on Zero.
I also believe Obama believes in socialism and Marxism, but like ET I incline to also think Barry is a “lazy” ideologue. He does not indulge in the details of the master plan like Hitler would be micro managing his for example. And that’s where his narcissism kicks in. He is the willing messenger that requires his frequent fixes of adulation or at least be close to the limelight and be in the news…Especially with stars and people who have received awards.
The guy’s a dim bulb flake that speaks with a booming bariton voice who happens to have been raised around communists and anti-establishment misfits most of his life.
Being he slipped through a decandent, self absorbed and spoiled society and undeservingly became the most powerful man on earth makes him very dangerous just the same. Even more so, I should say.
Yes it’s official now – Ogabe is deliberately sabotaging efforts to contain the oil spill. It’s all about pushing his Marxist agenda through now. I think impeachment proceedings need to be discussed immediately and enforced as soon as possible.
“Daddy, have you plugged your cakehole yet?”
all talk and no action.
Atlas Shrugs at warp speed.
phantom – yes I agree; more and more private citizens and states, are going to ‘go alone’ since the Obama federal govt is not merely ignoring them but actively working against them.
That will include private armed patrols in the border states. This will lead to conflict between the patrols and the Mexican gangs – and this, however, will move Obama to step in against the US citizens.
The American people have got to get this disaster out of the White House fast.
me no dhimmi – I wish you would stop insisting that I accept your view and you would allow me the right and the freedom to my own opinion. I have no intention of disuading you from your view that Obama is a Marxist. Keep that view; enjoy that view; it’s yours. Please stop insisting that I agree with you.
No, marxism isn’t an honorific; it’s a particular ideology and you have to have read about it, thought about it, and believe in it before you could legitimately be called a ‘marxist’. And there’s no need to self-define your view as ‘correct’.
No, I disagree that ‘all politicans’ are run by others. The majority of them have an ideology and a view about ‘what is the best society for human beings’.
I’ll repeat. In my view, Obama has no theoretical or political ideology. He is not an intellectual; he has no interest in the theory or history or infrastructure of political or societal development. No interest; no knowledge. Nothing.
His only interest is personal; his own well-being. This well-being requires that he develop and live within a virtual world in which he is in total control of interactions from others. He cannot deal with the uncontrollable real world – and we’ve seen that in his reactions to this real world.
This psychological need to control others fits in with socialism, for socialism is a controlling system and one that demeans and reduces the power of individuals. But I maintain that Obama, who is not an intellectual, accepts the socialist format because of his psychological need to control and disempower others, not because he has any belief in the transformative and beneficial powers of socialism.
Again – how about giving it a rest? You have your opinion, and how about graciously allowing me to have mine? Or do you wish to control me? Hmm?
Americans are purposely watching him destroy there Nation day by day. None do anything while this bull elephant rampages around the World liquefying into human waste all hope or activity.
How many institutions, how much of the Constitution does this Alien annihilate before Americans do something?
This action is criminals is his using the borders with the killings as black mail.
This is no President he’s a wrecking ball.
The Federal Government of the USA is officially run by the Chicago mob with Islamists starting to dominate the political landscape in Obamas communist Moe run universe.
JMO
No, ET, Obama is a socialist. Raised by socialists/communists, self-identified as a socialist, and surrounded by socialists.
grok – incredible. The authoritarian use of the verb ‘IS’ without the preface that relates that verb to its subject phrase of ‘I think that’..Obama IS a socialist.
I think that Obama is NOT an idealogue [i.e., socialist ideologue] but a psychological neurotic whose need to control puts him politically in the milieu of ideological socialists.
Get the difference? There is no way, in my view, that someone with Obama’s psychological aberration could, if that person went into politics as a career, be a Conservative or Republican. That need-to-control and reduce the power of individuals, requires that they operate within the socialist party. BUT, that does not mean that they are also, ideologically, a socialist.
Again, how about having the grace to make an assertion and define it as your assertion, and not a universal truth?
By the time Obama is finished I suspect that it won’t be just academics refusing to claim his as one of their own. Everyone from environmental activists to the leftist media to Democrats to community organizers will claim that he is a creation of some other entity.
I’m with ET. I think the guy’s primarily a nut. He’ll go with anything that strokes his ego and massages his mental malfunction. Part of which is he hates the USA.
Limbaugh had an interesting comment the other day about some pundit who said Barry looked like he wasn’t liking his job anymore. Limbaugh said Barry looked like a guy getting every damn thing he wants while playing golf at the same time.
I concur.
Terry Tory, the Minutemen have been “patrolling” the border and making the Border Patrol look bad since shortly after 9/11. Mostly by sitting on hilltops with a telescope, a beer cooler and a radio calling in groups of people parading through the desert.
I think this role will expand to active fire fights with drug cartel pukes in the near future, as the Feds pretty much stop doing anything at all. Not just on the border either, but all up and down the Nogales to Tucson parade route.
Ranchers are already getting shot, just a matter of time before they start in shooting back.
This is not, I repeat not the same report of the earlier episode where skimmers were not allowed to go out because of wrong life preservers or something.
People have mused allowed about the possibility of a violent conflict between the US government and its citizens. If what some of you say is correct, then the Arizona/Mexico boarder could be the flashpoint for such a conflict.
So what happens when the police start pointing their guns at American citizens?
Follow this logic: Citizens are fed-up with the increasing oppression of Feds; and violence is first instigated directly because of a boarder related issue. Since the final straw is immigration related, logically, Mexican Americans, Illegals, Muslims and African Americans side with the government. Those that side with the Arizonians are predominantly White. Regardless of the long list of underlying reasons why the citizens of Arizona are resisting the government, the perception will be, because of the usual suspects, that the resistance is motivated solely by racism; hence, another Civil War fought over race. Anyone want to guess who the bad guys will be?
Am I getting close? Any comments?
Nutshell version: Ba’rakh Hussein al-Bama and the Democraps are SHUTTING DOWN AMERICA ONE PROJECT/INDUSTRY AT A TIME…
indiana homez – that’s not an unbelievable scenario that you outline. It could indeed happen.
Obama deliberately ‘divides’ people into blocs, setting them up as adversarial, irrational and hostile. That is part of his (unconscious) tactics of controlling people.
The fact that he has refused to carry out his sworn constitutional duties of securing the border and dealing with immigration will be hidden behind the uproar of citizens fighting against ‘others’..who will be pictures as hapless and helpless.
November can’t come soon enough. But it’s astonishing how much damage Obama can do in a short time.
The fact that he has refused to carry out his sworn constitutional duties…
I seem to recall he botched the Oath of Office and then was “reported” to have taken it again in private.
We can ignore the fact that oaths are sworn to be public declarations of fealty can’t we?
Oaths are just silly and archaic aren’t they?/sarc
But it’s astonishing how much damage Obama can do in a short time.
That’s because the POTUS is the Chief Executive, which is why he needed to swear the Oath of Office to the people.
All that’s required to wreak havoc is for the Chief Executive to do nothing while the nation shakes itself apart from want of direction and leadership.
As long as a do-nothing occupies the Office of Chief Executive nobody can step in and take the initiative to fix what’s broken, everything trends naturally toward disorder.
Entropy.
Oz – you call Obama and his Gang ‘do nothing’? Why, they have set up hysterial apocalyptic scenarios as stages to pass statist infrastructures in the US.
The stimulus, pork pay offs for Democrats, passed with Obama insisting it was a crisis, without it being read or debated (a blatant denigration of Congress and The People).
And the health care – again, an apocalytpic scenario, no real reading or debate of its 1,000 pages – and backroom deals, money deals, ..to set up statism over 1/6th of the economy.
How about his insults to leaders of foreign nations, thereby isolating the US? How about his rejection of the reality of terrorism, thereby strengthening Islamic fascist agendas.
What about the border and Arizona? Illegals? The oil spill?
This guy and the Gang who run him have been very busy with their manoeuvres and backroom deals and front room accusations of ‘you are biased’ if anyone dissents.
I think what this crisis highlights most boldly is the lack of preparation and planning for environmental accidents, and a lack of coordination between sectors, industries, and government, with guidance from science, experience, observations, etc.
Big oil has no real plan of action in the case of spills…they all have the same general outline that has no real substance (and I mean EXACT same general outline…word for word). Clearly the government doesn’t have a clue what they’re doing either…and nobody wants to admit it.
I see why someone wanted to protect a sensitive area from dredging…as far as sensitive ecosystems go..the only thing worse than adding undesirable things to it, is taking away desirable things. Spilling oil and toxins will kill and prevent life, but we can clean it, the earth will filter it, and life will come back. Taking away the very geological foundation for life is not something we can easily fix, nor is it something that the earth will quickly rebuild. Geology works on massive time scales.
Obama deliberately ‘divides’ people into blocs, setting them up as adversarial, irrational and hostile. That is part of his (unconscious) tactics of controlling people.
It has to be unconscious eh? We can’t have Obama consciously planning something what? That might suggest he’s ideological.
That’s Alinsky. Alinsky was a commie. That’s the MO. It’s totally, fully conscious! That’s the ACORN MO too; Obama was an A-List Acorn operator, a TRAINER, not a pleb soldier.
Indiana Homez: You asked for comments. My comment: you’re a lot closer than close. Civil disorder is coming; vigilante justice is coming –to fill the void. During periods of prosperity people shrug a lot. In a depression — which is what this is — nerves are a lot tenderer, a lot twitchier. People are desperate, and the regime is making them even more so. The Phantom is clearly spot on: vigilantes will take on the Mexi-thugs.
Further to the, perhaps purely semantic, “debate” between ET and Me No, another tack I take is this: if the guy’s not ideological, you’d expect him to hold random views, at least some of which might lean a tad toward private economy solutions (Clinton: It’s the Economy, Stupid!). But, surely we’ve all noticed, that there hasn’t been a single remark out of that commie psycopath’s mouth that even remotely suggested the viability of a private market solution to a single social problem. Not one single one that I can recall.
BTJ said: “Taking away the very geological foundation for life is not something we can easily fix, nor is it something that the earth will quickly rebuild. Geology works on massive time scales.”
Oh for… its SAND. It moves WEEKLY, not on a geological time scale. Feds didn’t tell them not to dredge, they told them to -move- two miles.
How much difference is two miles going to make compared to an immense oil slick hitting the shore? Moving two miles and starting over pretty much guarantees oil hits the shore, its hurricane season. If they don’t get it done quick, its wasted.
Are you on Barry’s payroll, or are you a freelance retard?
me no dhimmi – I’d suggest that Obama has been using this divide-and-conquer strategy since he was about ten years old. Or younger. That’s why I say it’s unconscious; it’s a basic bone-deep mode of behaviour, of how he deals with the world. It’s not a tactical plan.
I fully agree; vigilante justice is coming. Obama is practically asking for it with his refusal to carry out his constitutional obligations to the border and immigration and his arrogance of suing Arizona.
No, because someone is not ideological does not lead to random views – but note – that Obama’s views ARE constantly contradictory. There is lots of documentation about him saying one thing at one time and the opposite another time and place. Just google Obama contradictions and you’ll be swamped. That’s because he is ideologically empty.
But again, because someone is not ideological does not necessarily mean that their views are random. The stability in their mode of interaction with the world might be supplied by their psychological needs instead of an ideology. So, if someone needs to feel always in control of others, then, they’ll act and talk in ways that will enhance such control.
And as I’ve said, Obama’s work (I hesitate to use the term ‘work’ when applied to such a lazy person)..but Obama’s career is in politics. He’s embedded with the socialists because, as I’ve said a zillion times, such a political view sets up an authoritarian elite set of rulers over others..who are deprived of power. That suits Obama just fine. He, psychologically, can’t permit regular people..or anyone..including the wealthy, to have power.
Are you on Barry’s payroll, or are you a freelance retard?
~The Phantom
Careful, Phantom, or BTJ will call you a ‘neo-con’ in 3-2-1…
“Careful, Phantom, or BTJ will call you a ‘neo-con’ in 3-2-1…”
Only when I see them.
“Oh for… its SAND. It moves WEEKLY, not on a geological time scale. ”
You don’t have any knowledge about geology do you? It ACCUMULATES over decades. You take tons of it out and it won’t just appear out of thin air over night.
” Feds didn’t tell them not to dredge, they told them to -move- two miles.”
Exactly, there’s nothing wrong with dredging itself, just choose a better spot.
“How much difference is two miles going to make compared to an immense oil slick hitting the shore?”
It will avoid causing more permanent damage.
“In the USA you can’t get 9mm or 5.56mm ammunition most of the time, you have to get on the waiting list and buy a whole case if and when it comes in from the factory. Private ammunition companies are running three shifts, and have been since Obama got the Democrat nomination.”
The supply of 9mm has recently loosened up a bit and it can be found regularly, though it’s still more than twice the price that it was a few years ago. I’m not sure about 5.56 since I don’t have anything that eats it, but scarcity wouldn’t surprise me, because for nearly a year you couldn’t find anything in any caliber anywhere. I happen to have more of the 7.62×39 flavor, and I really can’t help but enjoy the irony of having set aside a quintessentially Soviet round as a hedge against any potential shenanigans by communism’s “new and improved” adherents. 🙂
Indiana Homez, the State of Arizona is going to be the enemy. I know you’re saying its going to be a race war, but I doubt it’ll shake out that way. Legal Mexican immigrants can’t stand illegals any more than anybody else.
Barry and company will for sure try to -play- it as a race war, but it will come down to states and cities defying the feds on immigration and regulation issues.
We don’t experience the real tone of the American public up here in Canada. People are seriously freaked out by Obama nationalizing everything and putting the country a trillion in debt. The Healthcare bill was a huge slap in the face to everybody, they are not happy and getting more millitant about it day by day. Ammo remains in short supply due to everybody buying more.
I mean think about it. Bobby Jindal called Obama out on national TV over a couple of frickin’ oil barges. Jan Brewer called him out on national TV for WEEKS before she went to the White House and got right up in his face over the drug cartels romping freely across her border with Mexico.
Brewer will deputize hundreds of guys to go arrest Mexican drug gangs, Jindal will take over the control of his coastal clean-up, because they will -have to-. If the Feds try to move in and arrest State authorized people for doing what they have to do, that could get… interesting.
State governments will be the flash points and catalysts in this thing. Armed citizens will be the ones who settle it.
BJT said: “You don’t have any knowledge about geology do you?”
I don’t have a degree in geology, no. Here’s what I do know:
A) This spill gas been going on two months now, since April 20th. Jindal has been BEGGING the feds for authorization to build berms since May. He finally went ahead and started, and the feds blessed him with an authorization. Now they tell him no, after his crews have been working for days. Stop dredging, go reset your multi-million dollar dredger two measly miles away, and lay TWO MILES more pipe (to carry the sand, right?) and no berm a-building while you screw around. Smells like PAYBACK, not science.
B) The State of Louisiana employs real geologists, oceanographers, wild life scientists etc. of its own. They would know if the current dredging location was -more- harmful to the Chandeleur Islands than a megaton of oil. Are the Louisiana State employed scientists dumber than the federal government employed scientists? Doubtful.
C) They are going to have to clean the sand and eventually move it back where it came from. Are the Chandeleur Islands going to sink in the mean time? Doubtful.
D) Your comments here invariably disagree with what anyone else here says, even when you have to convolute yourself into a logic pretzel to do it. Payroll, or freelance?
phantom – yes, I agree with you. Obama is polarizing.
Obama is setting up a states versus federal conflict – in Arizona, in Louisiana – and elsewhere. It isn’t about what is good for America but his need to control, and the agenda of the radical socialists who run him to insert statism into the US. How is Obama going to deal with ‘insurgency’ by state officials?
So far, everything Obama has touched has been disastrous – the economy, health care, all foreign relations, Islamic terrorism, public criticism, illegal immigration, and the unexpected, such as the oil spill. He’s unable to deal with any of these issues in their nature as ‘reality’; instead, he tries to semantically redefine them – hoping they’ll go away. Or he golfs.
He rejects ‘others’; that is, he alone authors his ‘virtual reality’ in which he lives. He can’t handle Congress or The People making decisions. Every bill passed has been a blatant disregard of Congress and due process, backed up by hyperbole and backroom deals. With regard to the oil spill, his violation of due process in making BP put up that 20 billion is another example.
Why is Obama refusing to allow the cleanup of the gulf? We know he’s aligned with oil. After all, he took almost 1 million in campaign funds from BP. But so what?
Is he disabling the cleanup to, as some suggest, show his support for the environmental lobby which opposes oil (as they race around in their Lexus SUVs)? Is he preventing the dredging because he wants to show the ‘evils of oil’ to his leftist base?
He certainly isn’t behaving as a responsible leader who must clean up the spill under the federal clean water act. Telling BP to clean it up and then walking away is irresponsible.
Since Obama doesn’t make decisions on his own, then, what’s the agenda of the radical socialists who run him?
“The berms, as well as the sea floor where dredges will scoop up vast quantities of material for the berms, could alter wave and current patterns and velocities in ways that could accelerate the region’s already unsustainable rate of coastal erosion, says Gregory Stone, who heads the Coastal Studies Institute at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge. “We really need to be careful about this,” he says.”
Under Pressure to Block Oil, A Rush to Dubious Projects
by Rob Young
Rob Young is professor of coastal ecology at Western Carolina University and director of the Program for the Study of Developed Shorelines.
Given the enormity of this environmental disaster, it is understandable that there is tremendous political and societal pressure to stop the flow and clean up the mess. However, in their rush to react to growing public pressure and do something, federal and state officials are waiving scientific review of emergency measures and embracing dubious solutions. Nowhere is this more evident than in the proposal to begin building a long sand berm to prevent oil from reaching wetlands and beaches in Louisiana. The White House has announced that this project is now moving forward, despite serious concerns among coastal scientists, including myself, that it will not be effective in keeping oil from the coast, could do more environmental harm than good, and would be extremely expensive.
The application from the state of Louisiana estimated the cost to be about $3.8 million per mile, or about $171 million for the initial 45 miles of the permitted project.
The state of Louisiana has a wealth of fine coastal scientists who have been working on the coastal restoration of the Louisiana delta region for decades. Yet those who I have spoken with have indicated that they have not been consulted on the project. I have yet to speak to a scientist who thinks the project will be effective.
As a coastal geologist who studies coastal storm impacts, it is clear to me that this berm, located just offshore of the barrier islands, will also be extremely susceptible to erosion. Indeed, it will begin to erode immediately upon completion. Even a simple understanding of coastal processes leads one to conclude that this sandy berm could disappear within a few months.
In the end, we have a project that is incredibly expensive. There has been little scientific review. It is questionable if the proposed berm will prevent oil from entering the wetlands it is designed to protect. The structure will be very short-lived. And there are many potential negative impacts of this structure on the coastal environment that have not been evaluated. Coastal dredging and filling can cause significant damage to marine organisms and local ecosystems as massive amounts of sand are dug up in one location and then deposited on the sea floor in another spot. In addition, building a 45-mile sand berm could alter tidal currents and lead to the erosion of natural barrier islands that protect the Louisiana coast from hurricanes.
“As a coastal geologist who studies coastal storm impacts, it is clear to me that this berm, located just offshore of the barrier islands, will also be extremely susceptible to erosion. Indeed, it will begin to erode immediately upon completion. Even a simple understanding of coastal processes leads one to conclude that this sandy berm could disappear within a few months.
In the end, we have a project that is incredibly expensive. There has been little scientific review. It is questionable if the proposed berm will prevent oil from entering the wetlands it is designed to protect. The structure will be very short-lived. And there are many potential negative impacts of this structure on the coastal environment that have not been evaluated. Coastal dredging and filling can cause significant damage to marine organisms and local ecosystems as massive amounts of sand are dug up in one location and then deposited on the sea floor in another spot. In addition, building a 45-mile sand berm could alter tidal currents and lead to the erosion of natural barrier islands that protect the Louisiana coast from hurricanes.”
In other words, a simple restatement of what every geologist knows about beach processes: the landforms on a coastline are a result of equilibrium between the ocean and the land. Build the beach up with dredged sand, and it will wash away. Dredge the sand out of a channel, and it will silt up again, in each case until equilibrium is reestablished. So Jindal’s expensive berm, won’t be permanent. But it doesn’t need to be, does it? If it lasts long enough that the wild well can be capped, and the bulk of the slick mopped up, it will have served its purpose. And if the dredging itself is harmful to the seafloor habitat directly involved, well just count that as a price that must be paid for the sake of trying to protect what most Louisianans consider to be a more important habitat.
It may not be a perfect solution, but there are no perfect solutions. In this instance, doing nothing is not an option.
Passing strange, isn’t it, that the same voices who clamor for action to mitigate the entirely fictional threat of Anthropogenic Global Warming, are perversely warning us of dire results when any attempt is made to mitigate the effects of an indisputably real man-made disaster?
“Passing strange, isn’t it, that the same voices who clamor for action to mitigate the entirely fictional threat of Anthropogenic Global Warming, are perversely warning us of dire results when any attempt is made to mitigate the effects of an indisputably real man-made disaster?”
Indeed. I’ve heard all sorts of proposals, such as the high altitude application of reflective aerosols to reduce solar input. Back in the 70s when it was “global cooling” that was about to kill us all, they proposed covering large expanses of the Arctic ice cap with black soot to absorb solar input. Go figure.
Yes, any artificial sand berm will be a temporary resident, but that’s all it needs to be. It’s rather hard to take seriously concerns about the impact of dredging in a particular area when there’s millions of gallons of crude oil drifting across the entire Gulf.
I would also add that, in my opinion, none of this is a very convincing argument for the need for more government regulations. If anything I would say this fustercluck is an example of too much government regulation; bureaucratic inertia caused by contradictory rules. I should also add that, as chief executive of the United States, the President would have the authority to cut through these regulations, given the magnitude of the threat. Why he has not done so may be open to debate, but I will throw out the suggestion that it is not due to a surplus of competence.
Looks like your kids will soon need a federal permit to build sand castles on the beach.
gordonkneehill and kevins – exactly right. The sand dredging is a rapid solution to a massive environmental disaster. Its agenda is to protect the wetlands and beaches from the oil.
To say that ‘nature will eventually deal with the oil’ is naive and to wait for ‘scientific tests’ is pedantic and short-sighted.
Agreed, kevin, Obama’s inaction isn’t due to any competence on his part.