| For all the media victory dances claiming widespread public support for enviromarxism, there’s nothing quite like a trip down to the grocery store to restore one’s sense of reality. |  |
Because, so long as consumer demand keeps this Reigning Queen of Supermarket Super-Packaging on the shelves, I contend there’s
little to worry about.
As the numbers show, vehicles with a rating of 30-plus miles per gallon have suffered a dramatic drop in sales. For the first five months of 2010, sales of vehicles with that 30-plus MPG rating have dropped by 10 percent compared to the same period in 2009. Overall, these high-efficiency cars accounted for four percent of the market in 2009, but now only hold a three percent share.
Heh. We’re winning.
“Re-cycling is a scam for the most part”
Absolutely not.
“There is no market where I live for cardboard, glass and stuff.”
There are LOTS of markets for both cardboard and glass…I’m not sure what ‘stuff’ is.
“Fees on milk cartons, paint cans, oil changes and the list goes on. They used to supply those things as part of the cost of doing business. Did your oil change place drain into the street? Nope gubmint takes another slice of the cake.”
They are called externalities in the world of business…a cost that manufacturers, etc, pass on to someone else..in this case, the consumer.
“Re-cycling is a scam for the most part”
Ignorance is bliss. You can lead a person to knowledge but you can’t make them think.
An uber-consuming disposable lifestyle is a scam, and the planet pays the price for that ignorance.
I am not sure what to think while i really don’t like being forced to pay for recycling while others aren’t ie. here in calgary your blue box for recycling you pay for it weather or not you use it.I don’t like that i think it is just one more small freedom taken away while stealing money.
And to me BJT,and Kevin no matter where or what you are arguing for you both cancelled your point’s basically IMHO.Just as it is stinky and dirty and bad and pollutonous to dig alluminum out of the ground.
It is also dirty and stinky and pollutoness as well to “recycle those same product’s ..and in all honesty weather it is shipped across canada or accross the globe it is still polluting so i guess your o.k. with polluting less ? How does that make sence i mean the basic obvious point i get is it IS LESS(marginally i bet) but your still polluting you still buy the product’s that create pollution.I would push the envelope and go so far as to say that if we were to do an exact product comparison ie. coal burned to recyle compared to the coal burned to mine .An exact comparason i bet it would be less efficient to recycle then to just burn your garbage in your back yard. be it motor oil or grass clipping’s .Also these supposed fuel efficent cars like a prius …let’s see does it have tranny fluid ..yes,is it made with plasic ? yes …are the headlight’s full of pollutants that if in an accident and smashed will release major pollutant’s onto the ground or into the atmosphere? yes …does it still use engine OIL yes..i wonder what the battery is made out of pottassium hydroxide ? what ? what are the chemicals that are used in these batteries ..and not to mention let’s look at the amount of copper wires that are run in your prious as apposed to say a 1966 chev does your prious have an alluminum block ? yes. is your prious painted ? yes ….the list goes on guy’s …i will bet an old chev with out any friken enviro crap or catylitic converters or any of that is far less harmfull on the environment than your prious. do they both pollute you betcha …i just IMHO think that the prious when it goes to the recycling plant sorry not much will be recycled and how much pollution will be spewed out in the proccess of “recycling it ..as apposed to letting it rot right back to the earth in a field somewhere and using it for target practice.Sorry kate i know you almost killed your brothers for doing this to the old dodge in your photo .But it is sooo much fun.Sorry and another not so side note. My grandfather farmed since the late forties and would roll the tractors,trucks,combines,swathers,and various other farm equipment outside the machine shop door and drain the fluids any fluid and all fluids right onto the ground …and sorry i as a youngster never in my life ever thought anything would ever grow there …now after they retired in 1997 right around 2001 i went out there before heading to college and wow.the grass and little plant’s and a few gopherholes and some rabbit’s all had been spotted(and shot) by me eating the greenest of what ever the hell was growing there sorry i don’t know my plant’s i saw dandylions and the other ones with the white fluff.and grass and he never touched any of it no dirt sawd,lome ,nothing just left it the way it was. Now it is fine!!! Yes if lettuce was grown there i would gladly pick it and eat it sorry that place is ten minutes outside deloraine, manitoba. sorry guy’s it is amazing what nature can do.
Paul in calgary
Clearly, T does not care about gophers.
Our city, which has a 3 bag law – must buy stickers to put on extra bags or they won’t take them; just contracted out the job of cleaning up dump sites which have increased 50 fold since the garbage laws came into effect 5 years ago – my taxes have increased as a result, but my neighbour and his sons are making a very very good salary cleaning up the messes with their gas guzzling 1981 chev 3/4 tonne and 83 Ford pick-up. There’s gold in them dump-sites.
Recycling efforts in Canada are an economic waste. We spend a loonie to save a dime. If newsprint is so rare that we should recycle it, why is there a glut on the pulp markets and all the forest workers are out of work? There is no need for legislation to recycle old cars or buildings. When you are done with your 1989 Ford Ranger, you sell it to some high school kid or to a scrap dealer. Finished with your three bedroom rancher in the ‘burbs? You don’t throw it out, you sell it to that nice Chinese couple with five kids.
One of my duties with the Regimental Police in Camp El Gala, Egypt was to ride shotgun on the garbage truck. The Egyptian contractor was not paid to collect the camp’s garbage. He salvaged from our garbage empty glass bottles, scraps of wood, paper, old clothes & cloth, food that was not too spoiled. My job was to ensure he did not take stuff which was not garbage (wooden shipping pallets and the like). He employed seven men on what our camp of 800 threw out. Mind you, each of his employees made about US$100/year in 1978 but that was a good living by their standards (and they had first dibs on the watermelon the kitchens threw out!).
I’m with Gord on this one. Been driving SUV’s for 25 years. You were lucky to get 10 mpg out of a ’70’s Blazer/Jimmy/Bronco. My 2005 Hemi Jeep gets 20 mpg on the hiway all day.
The new Hemi for 2011 gets even better mileage. That is what I will be buying next. To hell with econo boxes.
“Recycling efforts in Canada are an economic waste. We spend a loonie to save a dime.”
Not true.
“Specifically, it was
shown that the production of primary aluminum, when all electrical generation, transmission
losses, and transportation fuels are accounted for, requires ~45 kWh of energy
and emits ~12 kg of CO2 for each kilogram of metal. On the other hand, the recycling
of aluminum requires only ~2.8 kWh of energy and emits only ~0.6 kg of CO2 for each
kilogram of metal. Thus, ~95% of the energy and ~95% of the environmental emissions
are saved when the metal is recycled.
For the U.S. market, an increase of 1% in aluminum can collection is equivalent to a
saving of $12 million, so renewed effort is being put in that direction.”
“If newsprint is so rare that we should recycle it, why is there a glut on the pulp markets and all the forest workers are out of work?”
It’s not because it’s rare that we recycle…it’s because making pulp from trees is way more energy intensive than making newspaper into pulp. Forest workers are out of work because of the housing situation in the US…forestry in Canada is virtually exclusively dependent on the US housing market, to the extent that the price of seedlings is directly controlled by it.
The link:
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/1002/JOM-1002.pdf#page=31
Norm:
If newsprint is so rare that we should recycle it, why is there a glut on the pulp markets and all the forest workers are out of work?
There’s a glut on the pulp market BECAUSE WE RECYCLE. The newspapers, who need to save every dime they can, use recycled paper because it’s cheaper. That’s why the pulp loggers are looking for work, there’s no longer any need to cut down so many trees for a disposable item. (Oh, and the housing bust in the US might have something to do with it, too.) There are now 23 mills in Canada producing recycled paper, and they turned out nearly 5 million tons – which works out to about 300 pounds per capita, or not quite a pound a day.
Recycling cans uses considerably less energy (95% less) than smelting, and the yield is very high. 4 pounds of bauxite produce only one pound of aluminum; 4 pounds of aluminum cans produce a little less than four pounds of aluminum. If you were the purchasing manager at Crown Cork & Seal, what would you buy? Recycled aluminum makes up about 35% of the average aluminum product, and since the beverage industry is the largest user of aluminum, they are the leaders in buying recycled aluminum. Almost 2 out of 3 cans are recycled, and it’s by far the most valuable product in your blue box. In some cities, the revenue from aluminum cans funds the entire recycling program. There are so many good reasons to recycle your cans, I can’t understand why any intelligent person wouldn’t do it.
“Been driving SUV’s for 25 years. You were lucky to get 10 mpg out of a ’70’s Blazer/Jimmy/Bronco. My 2005 Hemi Jeep gets 20 mpg on the hiway all day.”
Yup, same here… 40+ years driving SUVs. With Blazers, Broncos, Scouts…12 MPG was about the best one could get, even with a tailwind. My current SUV, a late 80s Toyota TDI Landcruiser easily gets 25 MPG, and with 10% biodiesel fuel mix, it’s emissions test as low as a new car. The Japanese were making clean efficient SUVs 20 years ago, US automakers just didn’t give a damn.
Those SUVs saved me and my family from injury or worse on those occasions when idiots ran into us.
SUV, dinged bumper, no injury;
Shoebox car totaled, driver and passengers to the hospital.
Off the highway onto the dirt shoulder to avoid a head on collision from an idiot in my lane, no problem.
I’ll stick with a safe driving SUV over a somewhat more fuel efficient shoebox car any day. Fuel economy isn’t everything, regardless of what the eco-muffins would like us to believe.
All the new vehicles I’ve looked at have much better fuel economy ratings than last years models. Many of them also have more horsepower than last year. That really pisses me off, because the technology has been available for years, but the manufacturers only take action when they’re forced into it.
“I’ll stick with a safe driving SUV over a somewhat more fuel efficient shoebox car any day. Fuel economy isn’t everything, regardless of what the eco-muffins would like us to believe.”
For sure, I drive a 91 Jeep Cherokee…love it, super reliable, not too bad on gas, and can go where others can’t…I like to get out where you need the 4 wheel drive. Cherokee’s have been voted in the top 20 cars of all time. That being said, I take transit most of the time because most of the time I’m traveling around the city.
John Galt- The newer SUVs are fairly safe, but the older ones sure weren’t Those old Broncos, Jeeps, Blazers, etc, were death traps. They’d roll at the drop of a hat. They’d swap ends in a heartbeat. The occupant enclosure was not reinforced. I had a 2006 GMC Acadia that pretty well drove itself, traction control, ABS, all wheel drive, stability control, and so on. I felt secure having my girlfriend drive it all winter, and she’s Chinese.
KevinB- Those are some encouraging statistics, especially the one on pop cans. It’s comforting to know, when I toss an empty Coke can out the window, that there’s a good chance it was recycled. I’ve probably tossed enough cans between Gull Lake and Maple Creek to buy the hotel in Piapot.
Drive a Hummer, save a penguin.
Headline of the Week—Cold kills 500 penguins
Kevin B & BTJ
And how much does it cost in municipal blue box programs? Paying two guys $25/hour plus union benefits each is NOT recovered by the tin cans in my blue box. If it is so profitable why do we a pay a special eco-fee on soda cans to pay for the collection of the same? A $12 million dollar saving for 1% more cans. Consider the USA uses 350 million beer/pop cans each day the savings per can is not too much and I wager it will cost more than $12 million to collect/sort/render cans to the remelt point. There are economical recycling schemes (as pointed out auto wreakers and scrap metal dealers are a classic examples) but the cost of collection usually exceeds the value of the material.
BTW most of the drop in pulp prices is due to average circulation drops of 50% at newspapers in the last decade not to the newspapers moving to recycled newsprint. If the NY Times sells 500,000 fewer copies each day that’s 18.25 BILLION fewer broadsheets from that one paper each year.
“And how much does it cost in municipal blue box programs? Paying two guys $25/hour plus union benefits each is NOT recovered by the tin cans in my blue box.”
Those tin cans are mostly steel, with a bit of tin…I hope I don’t have to show you why that would be cheaper and easier than making new steel.
The fact that they get paid $25 dollars an hour and have sex with dogs half the day is because government unions are some of the worst examples of collectivism in Canada…and waste is overlooked in a lot of aspects..we’ve been paying to throw things that were not long ago deemed valuable, into the ground.
“If it is so profitable why do we a pay a special eco-fee on soda cans to pay for the collection of the same? ”
To give an incentive to bring it back…that’s why you get money back when you bring it in…it’s a deposit, not a fee.
“Consider the USA uses 350 million beer/pop cans each day the savings per can is not too much and I wager it will cost more than $12 million to collect/sort/render cans to the remelt point.”
You’re not doing the math…if only 1% of those…or 3.5 million cans…are recycled they save $12 million…that means if 20% are recycled they save $240 million.
You’re not doing the math…if only 1% of those…or 3.5 million cans…are recycled they save $12 million…that means if 20% are recycled they save $240 million.
You’re not doing the math. Approximately 2/3 of the cans in the US are recycled. That’s about 200 million cans a day. The aluminum in the cans is worth about 1 cent. So if they’re getting 1/2 cent a can, that’s about a million dollars a day. 365 million can pay a lot of salaries.
So if the saving’s are so awsome BJT,KEVIN then why am i not rewarded say with out the fee’s of the blue box every month or say how about a reduction in my garbage bill ? not to mention you guy’s forget to factor in the cost of building the recycle bins as well all that un needed plastic once again your pooring gas on an already burning fire …you don’t factor into account the cost of the trucks that run to the recyling plant ,the tractors that sort the stuff once it’s there …so again i see your point but to me it is still much better and safer to burn it in your back yard or something like that.
Paul in calgary.
Paul:
You are getting paid. Because the aluminum in pop and beer cans is cheaper recycled metal, you pay less for your pop and beer. If newspapers weren’t using recycled paper, your daily would probably cost $2. And do you think the costs of trucking Toronto’s garbage to Michigan are insubstantial? That’s considerably longer than the trip to the recycling depot. So we save money on trucking – gas, salary, tolls, etc. Unfortunately, loony lefties like David Miller don’t pass the savings on; they cave in to unions, increase welfare, and give themselves lots of perks. Maybe in Calgary, your mayor is different.
I must admit that BTJ is knowledgeable. No wonder he is Kate’s favorite troll ;-)…I like the fact he/she often recognises government waste/cancerous unions etc…An intelligent troll (I won’t say “lefty” ’cause he’s not quite that in many discussions IMO)
He/she is right about alunimum being much less costly than melting more through alliances of raw mined components. Someone mentioned “aluminum mines”: NOT!…Aluminum is not like Iron ore. It is a manmade product consisting of mined products that requires tremendous amounts of power to produce from scratch. This is why Alcan is stationned in remote Northern areas of Quebec for example, near the hydro electric dams. They get their power at a special rate.
Melting existing aluminum is the most beneficial of all the recyclable products. Followed by plastics IMO.
Carboard is also profitable. Newsprint, not so much as it needs to be de-inked and bleached and requires a percentage of virgin wood fiber back in the mix when making new paper. It is still more costly than just using virgin wood.
Metal cans are almost at the bottom of the scale. They are treated and coated with products that cost more to remove and the end product is second/third quality which cannot be reused for food canning for example. Rust in a land fill reclaims metal cans quickly and does not contaminate(Poison the soil).
Glass is the least sought after recycled good and apart from the reusage of existing empties like beer and the good old days of glass bottled milk and pop, remelting glass is seldom done. Most of it ends up in landfill…Even the glass you put in the blue bin. Glass is melted sand. It does not contaminate the soil at all.
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As for Kate’s dry sense of humour “Were winning” and “I’ll idle my truck”…I think people who are upset are thin skinned and obsessed with political correctness (How dare she says such sacriligeous things…Yup, environmentalism is a RELIGION, is’nt it?)
If this woman is smart enough to create a succesfull Canadian blog often containing controversial and thought provoking content, I am more than sure that she is also business savy and thus is not wasteful.
She’s like me and most others here I’m betting;
we don’t see ourselves as environmently concerned per say, WERE JUST CHEAP!
As far as those over packaged Lunch thingies, I am more concerned of the nutritional value of the content. Maybe the kid should eat the packaging instead.
People who eat that kind of junk all the time are the ones that grow up with vitamin deprived brains and becomes good little Guvment serfs and show their kids to buy more of that prepackage crap…Now that’s scary!
My personal vehicle is a Ford Ranger. Small, uncomfortable and completely devoid of any options. However, it will go forever on a tank of gas. Am I overly proud of my environmental contribution? Not likely. I am just thrifty … or cheap, if you prefer. Do I feel superior to those driving SUV’s or full-sized pickups? Hey … drive a D8 Cat to the convenience store for all I care. I also recycle cans and plastic drink containers because I enjoy getting paid for them. I recycle newspaper and cardboard for the simple reason that it tends to fill up my garbage container too quickly. Finally, as the final step in my envirocrusade, I haul grass clippings, leaves, etc. to the local compost area. They take this stuff for nothing and there’s never a lineup.
I suppose I should assume an air of environmental superiority and issue stern lectures to wasteful miscreants, but my “green” efforts are for purely selfish reasons.
Besides … I’ve found that minding one’s own business is always the best policy.
@T, good luck shifting gears, maybe as part of your conversion your political bent will take on a new attitude.
“You’re not doing the math. Approximately 2/3 of the cans in the US are recycled. That’s about 200 million cans a day. The aluminum in the cans is worth about 1 cent. So if they’re getting 1/2 cent a can, that’s about a million dollars a day. 365 million can pay a lot of salaries.”
Actually, you just changed the question and the formula. They SAVE $12 million by 1% of cans being recycled…You’re calculation is how only much the aluminum is worth…that’s not the only SAVINGS accrued by recycling, most of the cost savings is not in the value of aluminum, it’s in the work and energy required to make aluminum. That savings amount is for the US as a whole, not for pop can makers.
“So if the saving’s are so awsome BJT,KEVIN then why am i not rewarded say with out the fee’s of the blue box every month or say how about a reduction in my garbage bill ?”
For one, aluminum cans are not part of the blue box program, secondly, that’s a question you should be asking your local gov’t. Why would they reduce your GARBAGE bill? That defeats the purpose of giving incentives to recycle.
“not to mention you guy’s forget to factor in the cost of building the recycle bins as well all that un needed plastic once again your pooring gas on an already burning fire …you don’t factor into account the cost of the trucks that run to the recyling plant ,the tractors that sort the stuff once it’s there …so again i see your point but to me it is still much better and safer to burn it in your back yard or something like that.”
The cost of the plastic that the blue bins are made of is negligible…a small fraction. The trucks that run to the recycling plant would be replaced by trucks that run to the garbage dump if there was no recycling, so that’s not an added cost. There are tractors at the landfill pushing garbage around, at a recycling depot the materials are mostly sorted already.
Are you serious? Burn your recycling in your back yard? What benefit do you see from that? Most people aren’t allowed to burn in their backyard whenever they want. And if you’re going to burn it, you should be capturing the energy that comes off. That’s what incinerators are for…and is the alternative to the landfill.
“Glass is the least sought after recycled good and apart from the reusage of existing empties like beer and the good old days of glass bottled milk and pop, remelting glass is seldom done. Most of it ends up in landfill…Even the glass you put in the blue bin. Glass is melted sand. It does not contaminate the soil at all.”
Agreed, glass is not the most desirable recyclable…but it’s better than burying it. The problem with landfills is not really the contamination of soil, but the fact that we can’t dig enough holes in the ground to keep up with all the garbage…it must be incinerated.
“Maybe the kid should eat the packaging instead.”
Haha! Would likely be better for the digestion track, get a little fibre for once…help push out all packaged lunches they’ve ate the week prior.
“my “green” efforts are for purely selfish reasons.”
Which is how it should be.
“The problem with landfills is not really the contamination of soil, but the fact that we can’t dig enough holes in the ground to keep up with all the garbage…it must be incinerated.”
Agreed to a point, I think the “not enough holes” might be in part due to the “Not in my backyard” syndrome. Toronto’s garbage could of been all trucked up North, I forget the tiny community’s name that has an old open mine…Instead, 200 45 footers run back and forth on the 401 to take garbage from TO to Michigan.
Toronto is big enough to justify a modern incinerator with the best scrubbers. Power could be produced too from the combustion that would drive steam powered electric generators.
Shameful.
BTJ
No it’s an eco-fee on top of the can/bottle refundable deposit. The deposit I can get back ( but only 8 cents of the 10 cent deposit on beer cans; go figure) and I pay an eco fee of about 1 cent per can out her in BC. The 1 cent fee is to pay for recycling.
“Agreed to a point, I think the “not enough holes” might be in part due to the “Not in my backyard” syndrome. Toronto’s garbage could of been all trucked up North, I forget the tiny community’s name that has an old open mine…Instead, 200 45 footers run back and forth on the 401 to take garbage from TO to Michigan.
Toronto is big enough to justify a modern incinerator with the best scrubbers. Power could be produced too from the combustion that would drive steam powered electric generators.”
For sure, nobody wants a landfill in their backyard and if you put it out in no-man’s land it takes all that transportation energy just to throw it in the ground. I think we will see an expansion on incinerator infrastructure. The gov’t doesn’t have confidence in the ability of the public to be educated and change behavior in regards to recycling and reduction…they’re looking at putting 90-95% of their budget to incineration and the remainder towards education and awareness.
“No it’s an eco-fee on top of the can/bottle refundable deposit. The deposit I can get back ( but only 8 cents of the 10 cent deposit on beer cans; go figure) and I pay an eco fee of about 1 cent per can out her in BC. The 1 cent fee is to pay for recycling.”
I see…well I’m sure by recycling your can and providing a much cheaper source of aluminum you are saving someone money…they may or may not be passing that savings on to you.
O.k . so again like you guy’s have briliantly pointed out how come we don’t have little insinerators everywhere since they are so efficient. and as well o.k. let’s geto ff the aluminum thing cause i do agree to a pont if it can with out a doubt be proven that aluminum is cheaper/envionmentaly friendly to recycle good ..but again don’t forcem e to iti s the same thing with seat belt’s .yes i think they save lives yes i beleive they do add some saftey to a vehicle but again don’t force me to wear it if someone does not want ot wear there seat belt ohh well that is there choice . While i am all for seat belt use i am not for making it a finable or taxable driving offence i think it is rediculous …i feel the same way about recycling and again tax breaks and cheaper prices should be enforced everywhere not increased taxes …becasue to me something is rotting in denmark
if it is soo good and soooo super duper efficient and great then why force people to pay for it and then tax them on it then again tax them for exhaling so let’s see here for a moment i will role play if you will let me.
i have to buy carbon credit’s according to the f*ckheads in ottowa..so i pay a tax everymonth for exhaling ,farting,burping so on and so forth …then i go get gas i pay a tax for the environmental nut jobs as a fee to what ohh yeah protect the environment? don’t understand that but what ever …then i get a carton of milk i pay a recycling fee that is built right into the price and i get some power stearing fluid and a quart of oil ..i pay another environemntal fee and a recycling fee…then i go to blaskin and lane and i get a new set of tires i pay another added tax a recycling and environmental fee ….non of witch i have the time nor the inclination to do and the more i have to pay the more i burn in my back yard why ? becasue the prices will never go down on any of these product’s as long as the f%$king retards in ottowa,or the enviro hippy fascist’s have any say in it so i figure the little bit of mud slinging i can do back it to burn every f*ckin thing i can and pollute the shit outtof everything i can until they stop and realize the point i made before …the earth was here before us and it will be here long after us it has all the time in the world to heal it’s self …if i could run this country i would reduce the price of recycled product’s and i would encourage yes simply encourage people show them the benifit’s of recycling or reusing or what ever and let them make the choice for themselves even big oil i might make them plant a tree for every hundred barrels of oil the put out of the ground but that is it i would give them huge tax breaks if they recycled and reused and replaced the ground in witch they disturb i would not ever make them do anything i would give them incentives again like i said ifi t is soo good and soo efficent and great then why is it being forced i think most people wouldl ove to recycle but there is just no reason or incentive to and don’t tell me about the kids future shit either !!!
Paul in calgary.
O.k . so again like you guy’s have briliantly pointed out how come we don’t have little insinerators everywhere since they are so efficient. and as well o.k. let’s geto ff the aluminum thing cause i do agree to a pont if it can with out a doubt be proven that aluminum is cheaper/envionmentaly friendly to recycle good ..but again don’t forcem e to iti s the same thing with seat belt’s .yes i think they save lives yes i beleive they do add some saftey to a vehicle but again don’t force me to wear it if someone does not want ot wear there seat belt ohh well that is there choice . While i am all for seat belt use i am not for making it a finable or taxable driving offence i think it is rediculous …i feel the same way about recycling and again tax breaks and cheaper prices should be enforced everywhere not increased taxes …becasue to me something is rotting in denmark
if it is soo good and soooo super duper efficient and great then why force people to pay for it and then tax them on it then again tax them for exhaling so let’s see here for a moment i will role play if you will let me.
i have to buy carbon credit’s according to the d%^kheads in ottowa..so i pay a tax everymonth for exhaling ,farting,burping so on and so forth …then i go get gas i pay a tax for the environmental nut jobs as a fee to what ohh yeah protect the environment? don’t understand that but what ever …then i get a carton of milk i pay a recycling fee that is built right into the price and i get some power stearing fluid and a quart of oil ..i pay another environemntal fee and a recycling fee…then i go to blaskin and lane and i get a new set of tires i pay another added tax a recycling and environmental fee ….non of witch i have the time nor the inclination to do and the more i have to pay the more i burn in my back yard why ? becasue the prices will never go down on any of these product’s as long as the f%$king retards in ottowa,or the enviro hippy fascist’s have any say in it so i figure the little bit of mud slinging i can do back it to burn every fu&*in thing i can and pollute the sh$t out of everything i can until they stop and realize the point i made before …the earth was here before us and it will be here long after us it has all the time in the world to heal it’s self …if i could run this country i would reduce the price of recycled product’s and i would encourage yes simply encourage people show them the benifit’s of recycling or reusing or what ever and let them make the choice for themselves even big oil i might make them plant a tree for every hundred barrels of oil the put out of the ground but that is it i would give them huge tax breaks if they recycled and reused and replaced the ground in witch they disturb i would not ever make them do anything i would give them incentives again like i said ifi t is soo good and soo efficent and great then why is it being forced i think most people wouldl ove to recycle but there is just no reason or incentive to and don’t tell me about the kids future shit either cause pulling at my heart string’s won’t work do you think any generation before “thought about the kids”? no probly not casue they knew that they would educate and teach there kids that life is what it is no sence in glorifing a world full of sinners and godless souls, cause in time pollution will be the least of your worries once christ returns.!!
Paul in calgary
Paul in calgary.
” the enviro hippy fascist’s have any say in it so i figure the little bit of mud slinging i can do back it to burn every fu&*in thing i can and pollute the sh$t out of everything i can until they stop and realize the point i made before”
No one cares about you burning crap in your backyard…except maybe your neighbours, who would have every right to call the authorities on you and have you fined. You’re not teaching anybody by doing that…what you should be doing is complaining to the producers of tires for passing on their fees to you…they’re called externalities..
http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
“the earth was here before us and it will be here long after us it has all the time in the world to heal it’s self ”
That’s not the point…the point is will we be here? Or will we pollute and destroy our own way of life?
“if i could run this country i would reduce the price of recycled product’s and i would encourage yes simply encourage people show them the benifit’s of recycling or reusing or what ever and let them make the choice for themselves even big oil i might make them plant a tree for every hundred barrels of oil the put out of the ground but that is it i would give them huge tax breaks if they recycled and reused and replaced”
Your plan would require the government to place strict regulations and restrictions on business…which is very unpopular around these parts.
“cause in time pollution will be the least of your worries once christ returns.!!”
Haha! Riiiight. Another faith driven Neo-con.
What restrictions ? why would reducing the price be so bad ? tell me what youl ose out on the price per unit you would easily make up in shear volume simply because it works so well that the profit margine would be huge and there for the people earn a good wage so on and so forth while helping preserve our ohhh sooo delicate earth …LOL…ohh myy goodness another athiestic godless souless secularist ,who is ohh soo supirior in thinking than we pathetic christians ohh my how dumb are those christians they believei n a book ohh my my wow all christians are dumb they don’t have any positive contributions to the planet earth in anyway what’s sooo ever. are you really one of those ? do you look down upon christians simply becasue they are christians? or is it my attitude you are singling out i agree if recycling works then why ruin economies over it ? if it is soo good for everything why is it so expensive to do ? take drilling an oil well to producing the same amout of energy that can be made from it in terms of fan’s …you lose everytime. sorry ..ohh yeah solar to. sorry man that is why there is sooooooo much oil and gas. ….I love dinasours.
Paul in calgary.
” why would reducing the price be so bad ?”
I only said it’s gov’t intervention. If you’re for gov’t intervention in the economy, well, I’m shocked you’re not getting painted as a commie, leftist troll on this blog.
“ohh myy goodness another athiestic godless souless secularist ,who is ohh soo supirior in thinking than we pathetic christians ”
Hahaha! No, I just don’t claim that all hell will break loose when ‘christ returns’. Although I will say I know how to use spell check.
” how dumb are those christians they believei n a book ”
Well, if you use it to guide your opinions and life in general…yeah.
“do you look down upon christians simply becasue they are christians?”
No, I just think it’s completely irrational to let a book that has been translated and distorted time and again, tell you how to live and think.
“if it is soo good for everything why is it so expensive to do ? take drilling an oil well to producing the same amout of energy that can be made from it in terms of fan’s”
Huh? what do you mean ‘fan’s’…drilling an oil well is WAY more expensive…but they get gov’t subsidies out the ace…your tax dollars. Don’t hear you complaining about that…probably because you don’t ever see it..there is no ‘oil subsidy tax’..but you pay for it.
“cause in time pollution will be the least of your worries once christ returns.!!”
Yeah right… they’ve been predicting that event for 2000 years so don’t pin your hopes on divine intervention regardless of which God you choose to believe in.
Be here now, we create our own destiny.
John Galt:
I like your style bro..
“Be here now, we create our own destiny.”
Have you read any of Eckhart Tolle’s work? You’re clearly a fan of Rand (amazing stuff!)…I’ve read some of both and there are some very interesting connections that, at first light, seem in opposition, but with some consideration and thought, are actually in harmony.