Update: It’s not nice to mess with friends of South Park… Or not. Checking again this morning, the url of the site claiming credit for the South Park threat video differs from the one supposedly “hacked”. Friday update: more on the hack details at Gawker.
Others approve! “By selectively censoring the blasphemers of South Park, these Comedy Central executives have displayed the steadfast conviction to stand up, courageously raise their voices, and beg not to have their heads chopped off. I am delighted to announce that in recognition of their courage, we will kill them last. Unless they are Jews.”
h/t James M.
More – South Park Revenged (with language/content advisory)
Trapped in the spam filter – until just now.
This is serious do not see it as joke
if you make joke of prophet Mohamad and draw his picture there is 60% percent some one kill you
since this is against law of Isalm to anybody to do so
Be Carfull
Do not risk your life when you deal with islam issues
why should you risk your life for say it?
YOu do not know how danger some of these Muslim are and can hurt you badly
do not mess with few issues with Muslim and educate yourself before do so
When they said Salmon Rushi must die nobody change this law yet and there is always chance to assinate him therfore
please Don’t this is serious issue this is not joke be carefull of what you see and limit you can go
Do not mess with some issue has not worth or any value bring you at all do not risk even
I freindly warn you because if not those people did not stop show that joke in tv and they force to change it Please don’t
Thanks for your concern, Mitra. You see – there’s the difference between an “extremist” and a “moderate”.
The “extremist” is the one with the death threat.
The “moderate” is the one who explains what you’ve done to deserve it.
So Jackal, you see nothing untoward in Comedy Central bleeping out all the Mohamed bits but leaving in all the other blasphemy of every other religion in the world?
I just wondered, because it seems to me craven behavior like that doesn’t really send the right message to people we’re still at war with. Knuckling under to demands made by the enemy when we have kids in the field getting shot at by them, what would Churchill say?
For that matter, what would Trudeau say? He’d have banned head scarves and posted a picture of Mo on every light pole in Quebec.
RE: “Trapped in the spam filter – until just now”
Kate, does this meet the test of being a threat to you?
And now…Revolution Islam (who said some things about South Park that weren’t threats, ooh, no, nothing like that../sarc) gets hacked…apparently by some South Park enthusiasts…
http://www.revolutionislam.com
And it keeps changing, too.
No-one, just buy the kid a .38 for the 18th b-day and don’t worry about it. Daughters do what -they- want, not what you want.
Remember, its hard to do an honor killing on an armed and dangerous Valkyrie. Raise them up accordingly.
So is Mitra proud to belong to a “religion” like that? Just curious and I would like to hear reasons why. “if you make joke of prophet Mohamad and draw his picture there is 60% percent some one kill you” Seriously.
You know, if I had to make a choice of getting my head chopped off or converting to Islam, the choice would be very simple for me. There would be no need to fit me for a burka….
Don’t do it Kate!
😉
well, what a coincidence… why just earlier today, a man was thrown in the big house for uttering threats in Saskatchewan.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2010/04/22/sk-threats-sask-man-sentenced.html
Kate,
I didn’t mean to disrespect you or this site. I simply have many reservations about the contributions of some of the more consistent posters here. And for what it’s worth, I would love to take on wow but I have no idea what he is on about.
Right, now that thats out of the way, let me share a fact that might appear rather absurd:
Recognizing an irrational hatred towards muslims does not make one “pro-Islam”.
There. I said it. I simply refuse to treat muslims as one big angry bloc waiting to come and kill/convert us. This whole Comedy Central thing is a classic case. An individual or a small group made a threat against the TV show and Comedy Central made its decision. I am not convinced that this individual or group is representative of the adherents of an entire religion. It just doesn’t stand to reason. The problem here is that many of the contributors conflate the fringe with the mainstream. It is not entirely dissimilar to the tendency here to view dissenters to their views as being pro-Islamic. This is not an either-or situation. One can be apathetic towards Islam without ‘supporting’ it.
The Phantom,
On the face of it, the censorship would appear very untoward. However, when you factor in the fact that they have broadcast episodes mentioning Mohamed in the past without any related deaths, then this seems more like a publicity stunt than a genuine assessment of a threat to safety. It’s certainly a brilliant way of putting Brent Bozell and others of his ilk on the back foot. The right-wing ‘values’ media critics suddenly have to deal with a show that they consider vile coming across as a beacon of free speech. They won’t know what hit them. It doesn’t add up. They have ‘insulted’ Islam before. Why are they so worried this time?
No-one
I wouldn’t want her to marry any extremists/fundamentalists of any religion – Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Muslim. Does that answer your question?
As much as it may seem at times, I don’t really hate muslims.
At least, not like I hate seals.
I’m just glad T’s made a friend.
Jackal, please enlighten all of us non-Muslims on this site as to why Islam is called the Religion of Peace, when you do not promote peace, but threaten those who are infidels, such as myself?
I do not belong to your faith, do not agree with the fundamental teachings of your faith and certainly look at your founding figurehead as a pedophile/liar/cheating used carpet salesman who has much blood on his hands.
That being said, I hold you accountable to research the Holy Scriptures of the Bible and ask how familiar you are with them? Have you studied these books as well as your own Koran?
Seals have no choice about being seals … completely different thing than being a broccoli farmer.
glacierman,
I wasn’t particularly keen on responding but since you have addressed me by name and decided that I belong to a certain faith, I feel compelled to respond, if only to set the record straight.
“please enlighten all of us non-Muslims on this site as to why Islam is called the Religion of Peace, when you do not promote peace, but threaten those who are infidels, such as myself?”
I have never called any religion the “Religion of Peace”, nor do I threaten “infidels” such as yourself. Feel free to pose that question to the person who made those statements and threats.
“That being said, I hold you accountable to research the Holy Scriptures of the Bible and ask how familiar you are with them? Have you studied these books as well as your own Koran?”
I have never read the Koran. I have, however, read the Bible completely on several occassions. Since I don’t know what religion you subscribe to, other than that it is not the same as me, I highly recommend the Bible to you. Since we are not of the same faith, I can only assume that you have never read the Bible.
As an aside, Kate, I beg you never to soften your stance on seagoing mammals. Look what can happen.
RE: “Trapped in the spam filter – until just now”
“The “extremist” is the one with the death threat.”
“The “moderate” is the one who explains what you’ve done to deserve it.”
I suspect those lines are going to become mighty popular.
BTW Jackal – SDA does have influence which is precicely why you are inclined to put down her blog and those that post here. Have you been invited to be a guest on radio shows? When were you ever one of the first, if not the first, to break and spread one of the most important news stories to date – CRU hacked emails.
“SDA does have influence which is precicely why you are inclined to put down her blog and those that post here.”
There is a flaw in your logic. I never said SDA is not influential. I did, however, say that the comments section is dominated by people who draw questionable conlcusions (like yourself in this case) and people who just shout down other people. You will note in my last post that I am not putting the blog per se down. I am merely questioning some of the views expressed here and the basis of these comments. I don’t think Kate or SDA can be held responsible for some of the stuff posted in the comments section.
But then again, you are an embodiment of it, are you not?
I declare an apathy towards Islam and call irrational hatred for muslims precisely that – irrational hatred. This, in your eyes, makes me pro-Islam. This is very questionable logic and causality. And it seems to be the norm more than the exception among some of the – lets call them commenters.
jackal at April 23, 2010 1:13 AM
You have made some assumptions about me which are entirely false, as I have of you. For that I must apologize.
You have a poorly masked self-righteousness about you, and that is evidenced by your inability to see through the words of those who post here as being shallow and knuckle-dragging. Your use of words make you educated, but hardly wise. You assume that you and I are of differing faith, yet you know nothing about me, other than a few lines.
Hanging out in MacDonald’s doesn’t make you a hamburger!
Jackal, I find it curious that in a dedicated thread on the matter of (yet another) serious threat made against artists/writers/cartoonists, you comprehensively avoided acknowledging the subject matter, and opted instead to repeatedly criticize what you see as the ineloquence of the people who – quite rightly, in my opinion – are unhappy about these threats.
Is it possible to address the serious matter of these ongoing threats without reflexively saying/lecturing “not all Muslims are…” etc? I ask because, among certain self considered progressives, variants of that assertion are used like some sort of magic touchstone to entirely obviate having to participate in a legitimate discussion on the matter of these ongoing mortal threats.
Let me ask you something: If you – or your wife, or your children – were under mortal threat because you or they had crossed some line drawn by Islamists – say you were forced into hiding, and to change locations daily – and then (X) came along and a) explained wearily that not all Muslims wish to censor criticism of Islam, b) criticized the ineloquence of your anger, and acted superior about his own calmness, and c) didn’t bother to take even two or three seconds to mention the pressing matter of the death threat, what would you think of that person?
That’s a bit of a hint.
Btw, I’ve met some really nice Muslims – actually, almost all the ones I’ve met have been pretty nice – and yet, the ongoing threats coming from Islam – at the edges, if you wish – are not in any way obviated by repeating the tiresome – and self-evident – mini-truth that “not ALL Muslims are…” etc.
Given the subject matter of the post, and the fact that such mortal threats against artists continue apace, and that the majority of people are beginning to self-censor, and to grant Islam a special dispensation unlike any other religion/belief on earth, I find it a bit disturbing that you don’t give the proverbial time of day to the matter of the threats themselves, choosing instead to deliver a floral-scented gift basket of received multi-cult wisdom.
Jackal, step away from the lectern and provide us with your opinion:
Should we censor ourselves in the west, and not criticize religion – as we’ve done (in the west) for hundreds of years, if not more – because of threats from Islam?
What advice would you give to, say a mild-mannered Danish cartoonist, in the unlikely event that he asked you for it? Should he put down his pencil? Would you be inclined to point out helpfully to him that “not all Muslims are…”?
What would you say to the family of Theo Van Gogh, if the matter of Islam came up? Assuming, of course, that they were already well aware that “not all Muslims are…”
I was away from my computer for a while and did not read the posts b4 I sent the last onse, so I apologize.
@Jackal – It all depends on your definition of extreme. Would you be okay with a conservative son-in-law?
BTW – I perceive you are of the passive-aggressive variety of provocateurs. Feining an air of civility while offering up a superficial apology, yet possessing the not so subtle mocking and ridicule that only those who consider themselves superior, with few being their equal, attempt to pull off. But alas, I speak to freely – forgive me mine ignorance – I apologize for my bias – I was wrong to think that a group (18) of Muslims threatening to behead our Prime Minister, and send vieled threats to my province’s Premiere and MP in Vancouver that they better not attend a parade in their own city without security – how incredibly foolish and intolerant of me to be concerned when the Mohammad inspired threats have reached my doorstep to the point where these people can be so bold as to honour the images of the Air India bombers on a float down the streets of a Canadian city, without even the slightest protest, not even a disapproving word, from the “peaceful” Muslims.
If they’ve never seen an image of mohammed (pig shit be upon him) then how would they know it’s an image of mohammed (riding a sweating pony)?
Our security guard is named Mohammed (time and a half on Sundays be upon him). Can we post his image? Will they riot?
BTW, South Park exhibited a perfectly clear image of mohammed (lying pedophile), right under the printed words in that frame, just to the left of the South Park logo. You can’t miss it.
No-one; “…to the point where these people can be so bold as to honour the images of the Air India bombers on a float down the streets of a Canadian city, without even the slightest protest, not even a disapproving word, from the “peaceful” Muslims. ”
What are you talking about?! That parade in Surrey was a Sikh celebration, infiltrated by Sikh fundamentalists. It had NOTHING to do with Islam.
Not that I’m defending Islam; far from it…
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
They did this to stir up the pot.
So far its working great.
No one can now say that their is not self censorship about Muslims ever again.
Nor can these Dhimmi appeasers hide anymore their rank cowardice.
Even the left is noticing.
Iowahawk got it right: I am delighted to announce that in recognition of their courage, we will kill them last. Unless they are Jews.”
It occurs to me that the South Park guys (Stone and Parker) have just had a running gag handed to them on a silver platter.
Have a CENSORED character (or animal, preferably a dog or pig) and at least one bleeped word in every episode from now on. No matter how innocuous the word might be.
Rub Comedy Central’s nose in it.
The point is, not to try to reduce our concern over these threats to the producers by asserting that ‘Not All Muslims are extremests’ for that is irrelevant. Our concern has to be those extremists. Why?
Because the Islamic community allows these extremists to make these public statements. That’s why.
Instead of instantly standing up and publicly berating the extremist claims, insisting that they are ‘amoral’, ‘unethical’, ‘violations of our religion and mores’..etc.. what do we hear from the Muslim community? Nothing. Silence.
Does the Muslim community stand with us in allowing criticism (which includes mockery) of ALL beliefs, including religious beliefs? No.
They insist that their religion alone must be immune to such views not only within their community but universally! No-one, absolutely no-one, is allowed to critique Islam. Hmmm. That’s quite the power trip by Muslims. They have no freedom in their religion and insist that the rest of humanity also has no freedom. Hmm.
And their silence when members of their community threaten people outside their community..well, that has only one conclusion. As Kate said, these moderates support their extremists.
I cannot take sides on this.
No, those fig farming goat feltching moslems are not going to tell me what I can or can’t say – and if they try, those 72 virgins are only a trigger squeeze away!
But by the same token, when you go round slinging insult and offense like those pricks at Southpark – you had better be ready to defend your words and expect some blow back.
The liberal lickspittles can shove their ‘tolerance’. I am not obligated to tolerate deliberate insult or provocation – the effeminate weaklings in our judiciary be damned.
This is a fight between two equally obnoxious parties.
“Take the statement about nuking them, for instance. The person who posted it sounds very similar to something one might hear a cleric in Iran say about Israel. Sadly, the irony may well be lost on most here.”
~jackal
Do Israelis hijack airplanes?
No.
Do Israelis immigrate to other nations and go on random killing sprees in the name of Judaism?
No.
Do Israelis make random attacks with suicide bombers?
No.
Does Israel threaten it’s neighbours with extinction?
No.
Do Islamic countries contribute to mankind with advances in science and medicine as Israel does?
No.
If any irony is lost on me because you, jackal, see some sort of parallel between nuking Mecca and nuking Israel when the “nuking” part is the only similarity between the two ideas, then I guess I’m at a loss.
“Furthermore, this prohibition has to cover only Muslims. How can it be assumed to be a rule for Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, polytheists, atheists and etc? That’s equally puzzling why Muslims consider that the rules of their religion apply universally.”
~et
The “assumption” is based on the Islamic teaching that ALL people are born Muslim and must submit to the teachings of Islam.
Doug.. a black shape with a question mark on it.
ET – “And their silence when members of their community threaten people outside their community..well, that has only one conclusion. As Kate said, these moderates support their extremists”
Would it be accurate to say then that the milds support the moderates and the extremists – or are they intimidated to the point of silence?
EDB – great post at 1:53am – looks like jackal’s drive-by is done and he is gone. Doesn’t look like you will get any answers to your thoughtful questions.
The site that I thought was hacked was actually set up as a parody of the original site (actual site that made the threat was revolutionmuslim.com, not revolutionislam.com).
Revolutionmuslim.com is now 404’d as the nameserver it was on is no longer associating it with an IP..so it looks like it’s been brought offline.
South Park did a huge sendup on the Mormons, I don’t believe they got any threats even after almost every scene started with “dumb dumb dumb dumb”
Im wondering if I overpainted a black velvet Elvis with a beard and turban if it could pass as a Moh. getting to be mexican art season again.
@DaninVan – my bad – mixed up my terrorists – must remember not to lump them together like that – they might get offended.
After I got over my anger with this issue and posted a couple of bad muzzie jokes here, I realized that they may attract badness to Kate. I see they are taken down and I am glad to see it.
Sorry about that. I am still not a friend of Mo.
“They are are merely being respectful if Islamic beliefs.”
I really hate responding to T but this must be addressed. Are you respectful of all Islamic beliefs or just the ones you find convenient?
Are you respectful of the belief that Jews are to be exterminated; that women have less value and legal standing than men; that TV, radio and kite-flying (kite-flying!) are bad; that men must not shave; that you are a Muslim and must be brought back into the fold; that women must wear barbecue tarps in public; that women can not drive; that non-Muslims can pay tax for the privilege of not being killed/converted; that centuries-old statues of other religions’ imagery must be destroyed; well, the list goes on.
Are you equally respectful of Catholic or Hindu or Amish beliefs? Of course you’re not and I’ll tell you why. No Catholic or Hindu or Amish has ever threatened or supported you being killed or harmed in any way for your non-respect of their beliefs.
It’s not respect you’re showing but cowardice.
“I never said SDA is not influential. I did, however, say that the comments section is dominated by people who draw questionable conlcusions “Posted by: jackal at April 23, 2010 1:35 AM
In the interests of free speech, scientific enquiry and social evolution, I would hope that any and all conclusions, on any subject matter, remain “questionable.”
“I never said SDA is not influential. I did, however, say that the comments section is dominated by people who draw questionable conlcusions “Posted by: jackal at April 23, 2010 1:35 AM
In the interests of free speech, scientific enquiry and social evolution, I would hope that any and all conclusions, on any subject matter, remain “questionable.”
The response from Jon Stewart:
http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/#clip290972
SPOILER ALERT: The story line of the followup South Park show airing this Sunday in Canada (Thursday the 22 in the USA) is mentioned.
The last minute of the video gets to the punch line.
Years ago when i was in school, you could mess with any of the other kids you liked. We made jokes and sometimes even picked fights. But there was also the special kid in every school. He drooled a lot and had to wear a helmut and someone to help him with his lunch. Everyone knew that out of decency you didn’t goof on him. it was just wrong, and everybody respected that. Thats why we can joke about all religions except islam. islam is the “Retarded” religion of the world and we have to cut it some slack.
T and jackal, thank you for your thoughts.
Should Andres Serrano have been allowed to display his award winning “P*ss Chr*st”?
Many Christians were offended by this. There were no threats of death to my knowledge, although there were multiple requests to remove the photograph from display.
I would say that the historical strength of “the west” (yes, a loaded term in many ways) is freedom of expression, dialogue, and debate.
I am concerned that tilting towards closing our society, fractioning it, dividing it, silencing voices, isn’t really the way to go.
It’s always amusing when the Jackal stops by for a visit with his oh so reasonable arguments. So very different from the rants you see elsewhere such as the catmeat episode. Good for a laugh if nothing else. And by the way it’s the CPC. A minor difference but significant.
Like EBD I was thinking, this Jackal merely sneers from some imagined height — that ugly self-satisfied sneer which gives progressism that familiar stink. He’s linguistically skilled but all we got was facile and empty loquacity. But that is the way of the liberal, eh: process trumps content.
And here a sanctimonious fool self declares:
I declare an apathy towards Islam and call irrational hatred for muslims precisely that – irrational hatred.
– jackal
Beautiful, EBD, just beautiful:
choosing instead to deliver a floral-scented gift basket of received multi-cult wisdom.
Yeah, that’s what we got: word perfume. The perfume of a cheap whore in too much of a hurry to bathe. Sickly sweet perfume blended with BO.
And bingo, No-One:
BTW – I perceive you are of the passive-aggressive variety of provocateurs. Feining an air of civility while offering up a superficial apology …
I think this guy sums it up pretty well.
Salient point:
“Fundamentalists don’t fear death. They fear laughter.”
http://trueslant.com/michaelpeck/2010/04/22/did-south-park-surrender-to-muslim-death-threats/
I genuinely lol’d when I clicked on the first link.
too bad the video doesn’t work
Unfortunately there is now “a 60% percent chance some one kill you”.
we’ll miss you Kate
I’d comment on the issue at hand; but apparently, according to some, my views are not worthy of mention, nor are they my own.
“There is nothing on TV.”
No way Phantom! Not that I spend too much time watching TV; but as I’ve told my wife, “I can always find something on TV”. For example, yesterday I simultaneously watched (attempted) the NFL draft, NHL hockey and OKC’s first NBA playoff victory. All this while I was missing O’Reilly, the Office and 30Rock. Throw MuchVibe and BET into the mix and all the cartoon and comedy stations and you’re set. Don’t forget HBO!
“Is this okay?”
🙂
or this?
🙁
Hope I haven’t crossed the line here.
“@DaninVan – my bad – mixed up my terrorists – must remember not to lump them together like that – they might get offended.
Posted by: No-One at April 23, 2010 10:00 AM”
No need to apologize…see today’s Vancouver Sun headline; it IS getting hard to distinguish them.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/thewest/Online+death+threat+aims+Ujjal+Dosanjh/2940832/story.html
@ Me No Dhimmi – well thank you, but your word choice was much better though, and I agree both EBD and ET responded eloquently. Black Mamba’s friend comment had me lol. All in all, I thought most everyone delivered a gem. Abe’s apology was genuine, unlike you know who. It has been awhile since I participated in such a lively game of verbal paintball.
It is too bad the mild Muslims, I suspect, out of intimate fear, do not speak out – they are in a dangerous catch 22.
Alright alright, settle down.
I see I’ve stirred a hornets nest. Let me begin by saying that I wholeheartedly condemn death threats, no matter what the justification. That said, let us look at the raw facts. Some individual or group makes a death threat against Comedy Central for airing an episode deemed insulting to the religion. Comedy Central responds by dramatically censoring all references to that religion.
With me so far?
On the face of it, Comedy Central is the victim here. But lets dig deeper. Has anyone at Comedy Central actually done a risk assessment? Was their decision based on security or was it based on achieving publicity and turning the tide against critics. For one, they have rightly put the spotlight on the intolerance in Islam. At the same time, they have rather ingeniously turned themselves into a bastion of free speech. A cursory glance at the US conservative website Townhall.com will show you that South Park is considered to be a vile show by most conservatives, particularly the pundits. They routinely criticize it and deem it inconsistent with American values. I am referring, in particular, to the influential Brent Bozell and the Media Research Center. With this little play, particularly the emphasis on the very American value of ‘free speech’, Comedy Central has actually managed to turn the tide against them.
“Should we censor ourselves in the west, and not criticize religion – as we’ve done (in the west) for hundreds of years, if not more – because of threats from Islam?”
Of course not. If the death threats come, be prepared to fight back. However, when you do fight back, avoid collective action, will you.
“What advice would you give to, say a mild-mannered Danish cartoonist, in the unlikely event that he asked you for it?”
The same thing I would tell anyone. Don’t pick a fight if you don’t think you can hold your own. Think of it this way. Every thing you say, whether at work or at home or in public, has consequences. This is a reality of life and individuals usually factor in the consequences before they make the statement. There are things that you would say to your wife/neighbor/stranger and there are things that you wouldn’t, no matter how much you believed them. This is based on your own assessment of the reaction it could provoke and your ability to handle the consequences. I am not advocating self-censorship, but I think you would be well-advised to avoid insulting a drunk gunman. I am curious to know if you have ever told your mother-in-law exactly what you think of her. Self-censorship or rational risk assessment?
Now if you expect the state to automatically intervene to protect you and your freedoms, or if you have a gun, then the risk factor is reduced, so go right ahead and say what you want. Its that simple.
“What would you say to the family of Theo Van Gogh, if the matter of Islam came up?”
About the same thing I would say about Christianity to the family of an abortion doctor killed by pro-lifers or, for that matter, about gay animal activists to Pim Fortuyns family: Psychopaths exist.
When you really think about it, how many death threats by muslims have actually been carried out? Theo is one that comes to mind. I can’t think of too many others.
No – one
“@Jackal – It all depends on your definition of extreme. Would you be okay with a conservative son-in-law?”
Socially and fiscally conservative? Yes. Religiously conservative? Definitely not.
“where these people can be so bold as to honour the images of the Air India bombers on a float down the streets of a Canadian city, without even the slightest protest, not even a disapproving word, from the “peaceful” Muslims.”
The Sikhs carried out the Air India bombing. But for what its worth, I will join you at the next Christian rally condemning the atrocities carried out by the Lord’s Resistance Army. Or at the next Sikh rally condemning the extremist Sikh bombing of the Air India plane. Or at the next Hindu rally condemning mob riots carried out by radical Hindus from the Bajrang Dal in India. Suffice to say, none of them ever actually take place, so why hold one lot to a different standard than the rest?