21 Replies to ““Beware that scary, hard-line, no-nuance Harper!””
Actually, Clark’s article was not critical of Harper. Most people would read it as reflecting well on the PM.
Agreed rabbit. The gist of it claims that Obama is following Harper’s lead.
Harper took the lead on Iran long before any other of these heads of state had the cojones to speak out. In the end, they all have nothing but words since their militaries have long since been but dismantled, even PM Harper. So, when Brown and Sarkozy and those jackasses at the UN talk about “we”, “the world”, “the international community” drawing lines in the sand, it all boils down to the U. S. With the U. S. now in the hands of a metrosexual and his minions, looks like the folks are getting nervous. Too frickin’ bad.
The French, Italian, Portuguese and Germans have armies…but they don’t fight. They have really aggressive looking uniforms, effective armament–but they don’t fight. So most of the European Union’s soldiers are nothing more than toy soldiers–they prance around on Bastille Day (or other nations’ equivalent) but they’re not expected to actually fight.
I remember when the first “Vandoos” were coming into Afghanistan. I was talking to a US officer and I mentioned that a French-Canadian battlegroup was coming into Theatre. He looked at me with an incredulous look and said “French” soldiers?? I told him the difference between the French-Canadian and European French soldiers, was that ours actually fought..He laughed–and said “true enough.”
a ‘hard line’ Cdn PM?
we haven’t had a ‘hard line PM since Sir John A and his hard line approach to building the railroad. Cdns don’t do it that way. we aren’t ‘hard line’ in any sense of the word. but when our low-key patient approach doesn’t pan out, well, send in the Vandoos.
Sorry to rain on everyone’s parade by mentioning that Iran’s biggest crude oil customer is ……..China. Russia earns big time foreign exchange (China’s oil payments to Iran in US$) supplying Iran with everything they could possibly want with a wink-wink.
I agree with the first two commenters. This was actually a complimentary piece on Harper.
Seems to me that ROW is finally coming into line with ROC.
Where does that leave my home and ative province??
OK – that would be “native” province (QC).
Not that there’s anything wrong with “ative”
Good links ‘mark’.
Yes, Mr. Obama. That’s what a leader who wears big-boy pants looks like.
Lest the popular press forget Obama’s enormous idiocy regarding disarmament and Iran. Now they are looking to Canada and France to fix things.
The world has stopped on its axis.
If Harper is only one to say OK to israel and NO to Iran
this can be translate to Muslim world
he like Isreal took land of Muslim pastine
harper know Isral keep asking to bomb iran and then he said he will do help this indirectly in Pitsburg then
when you scard soem group and harras
them
they will buy more weapon
when Harper are refuse to talk or give any busines relatioship with Iran emabsy then this is remind Regaon like war with Msulim
selling both parties weapon
Harper can not take side here
Canda is too small and not too much in complication of world politic yet still young and not Hapre able to seat with Muslim in Canada to know them or prevent his judge to do not bother them
therefore Harper are not get it becuse he does not get Muslim culture or respected
when still nobody care about him he better try people get close to him to take site because nobody waht he wish to give them
Iran is country if all weapon of nuclar down Iran will down it too if he try to let isreal to slander now new Mulsim country to not give land of Palstin back again to go to thier mosqu to kill them say sorry no body interest to know Harper tone they see him as white racist only
becuas he is white look and because he come from Canda if he do not take side and talk more to logic ground people pay more attention to him or see him another Englihs born in Canada nothing else sorry to say it frankly
do nto think white is only racist nowhite also are racist too
when Harper know most Muslim are more nonwhite include to white coloure included go to point
such tell Iran:
we think Iran must spend moer money toward feed their own country to built more weapn and canada can help them too
we can sell them halal food or made them more chicken feed or manfacure for grow chicken or sell more wheat or pizza machinery or so on
Candaina are not like peopel who do any link with suidice boming etner in Canada in any group and therefoer if we know iran are support this group we do not deal with you or work with you or such tone like this
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right now in ONLY canada nonMuslim take muslim out of halal food manfcure and call them terrorist and not pay any damage knowing they did say that and hold them in wrong accusation to only not pay them damage claim and continue all discrimination then Iran know Canda are not like Muslim in general picture and not pay attetnon to advice of Canda since they do not see them sensire
canada can tell iran we can help your drug problmes reduce or arrested or similar program to help their criminal inside this can work to gain trust since in Iran has more htan two million drug addict or too much cigar smokers and etc…
first Harpe must Order Loblaw to pay back damge to Muslim in Canada and pay thier business back as soon as possible for sake of public interst
I can assure people that when a Globe and Mail reporter writes the words “hard line” and “no such nuance” the reader is not meant to draw a positive inference. Which is why the article singles out Mr Harper vis-a-vis President Obama and does not mention the hard-line positions of other leaders. Nor mention some of the other countries that walked out during Ahmadinejad’s speech: Argentina, Australia, Britain, Costa Rica, Denmark, France Germany, Hungary, Italy, New Zealand and the United States.
Mr Harper’s position is hardly the singular one, without good company, the Globe story implies it is.
Furthermore, when the story says Mr Obama is fitting “Stephen Harper’s tone” that also is not, I suspect, intended to evoke warm and fuzzy feelings.
Mark
Ottawa
Yes it as if that is the only thing journo schools teach – the use of words and phrases that reflect the journalist’s/media orgs leanings.
leading experts, obstinately on the right, to a standing room crowd, a few protesters, insurgents, the one, crown prince,
Heavens forbid they be taught how to inform and report accurately.
new: I see you changed meds. Yuo aer nwo mroe icnhertn thneanver.
Try ESL before posting again.
/typing that gave me a headache.
Oh Crap. I gotta get new specs.I actually understood,after only one quick glance,what ron in kelowna typed.Thanks Ron…..:):)
And back OT….why do the lefturds hate a Canadian PM who actually has the guts and cojones to stand up to the crap a**holes of the UN and the world??
new: dumbest, most incoherent drivel I have ever read.. and I only read 1.5 sentences.
Obama is so easy to see through he is transparent: Deflect and distract from the horrifying debacle that is his domestic agenda.
new
I didn’t bother attempting the second post, but that being said, I don’t see the relevance of your position. It is not our responsibility to appease nor understand what Muslim’s desire with respect to Iran. It is our responsibility to prevent a lunatic from illegally acquiring those WMD’s and to stand by our ally. Period!
My prediction wrt Iran: Iran will push things until the very last moment; then they’ll fold. I think dinnerjacket’s bluffing, but I also support error-ing on the side of caution. There will be a time when the people of Iran will have to take responsibility for the actions of their government. They are not victims of oppression, they enable their leaders just as we all do.JMO
WRT PMSH: I wouldn’t trade him for any leader, anywhere.
Also, I’ve been a supporter of the Afghan mission, but because of the apparent flip-flop by Obama from his campaign priorities I don’t think I can justify staying past our deadline. It’s becoming clear that we cannot trust the Americans to carry-out their end of the responsibility on this matter; therefore, I support the CPC and the Libs pulling our troops out in 2011 unless the BO can at least hold-up his end; meaning giving his generals what they need.JMO
New:
Whenever I feel a bellyache coming on I go home to mama for her chicken soup.She feels better, I feel better. Everybody I know is happy too!
Actually, Clark’s article was not critical of Harper. Most people would read it as reflecting well on the PM.
Agreed rabbit. The gist of it claims that Obama is following Harper’s lead.
Harper took the lead on Iran long before any other of these heads of state had the cojones to speak out. In the end, they all have nothing but words since their militaries have long since been but dismantled, even PM Harper. So, when Brown and Sarkozy and those jackasses at the UN talk about “we”, “the world”, “the international community” drawing lines in the sand, it all boils down to the U. S. With the U. S. now in the hands of a metrosexual and his minions, looks like the folks are getting nervous. Too frickin’ bad.
The French, Italian, Portuguese and Germans have armies…but they don’t fight. They have really aggressive looking uniforms, effective armament–but they don’t fight. So most of the European Union’s soldiers are nothing more than toy soldiers–they prance around on Bastille Day (or other nations’ equivalent) but they’re not expected to actually fight.
I remember when the first “Vandoos” were coming into Afghanistan. I was talking to a US officer and I mentioned that a French-Canadian battlegroup was coming into Theatre. He looked at me with an incredulous look and said “French” soldiers?? I told him the difference between the French-Canadian and European French soldiers, was that ours actually fought..He laughed–and said “true enough.”
a ‘hard line’ Cdn PM?
we haven’t had a ‘hard line PM since Sir John A and his hard line approach to building the railroad. Cdns don’t do it that way. we aren’t ‘hard line’ in any sense of the word. but when our low-key patient approach doesn’t pan out, well, send in the Vandoos.
Sorry to rain on everyone’s parade by mentioning that Iran’s biggest crude oil customer is ……..China. Russia earns big time foreign exchange (China’s oil payments to Iran in US$) supplying Iran with everything they could possibly want with a wink-wink.
I agree with the first two commenters. This was actually a complimentary piece on Harper.
Seems to me that ROW is finally coming into line with ROC.
Where does that leave my home and ative province??
OK – that would be “native” province (QC).
Not that there’s anything wrong with “ative”
Good links ‘mark’.
Yes, Mr. Obama. That’s what a leader who wears big-boy pants looks like.
Lest the popular press forget Obama’s enormous idiocy regarding disarmament and Iran. Now they are looking to Canada and France to fix things.
The world has stopped on its axis.
If Harper is only one to say OK to israel and NO to Iran
this can be translate to Muslim world
he like Isreal took land of Muslim pastine
harper know Isral keep asking to bomb iran and then he said he will do help this indirectly in Pitsburg then
when you scard soem group and harras
them
they will buy more weapon
when Harper are refuse to talk or give any busines relatioship with Iran emabsy then this is remind Regaon like war with Msulim
selling both parties weapon
Harper can not take side here
Canda is too small and not too much in complication of world politic yet still young and not Hapre able to seat with Muslim in Canada to know them or prevent his judge to do not bother them
therefore Harper are not get it becuse he does not get Muslim culture or respected
when still nobody care about him he better try people get close to him to take site because nobody waht he wish to give them
Iran is country if all weapon of nuclar down Iran will down it too if he try to let isreal to slander now new Mulsim country to not give land of Palstin back again to go to thier mosqu to kill them say sorry no body interest to know Harper tone they see him as white racist only
becuas he is white look and because he come from Canda if he do not take side and talk more to logic ground people pay more attention to him or see him another Englihs born in Canada nothing else sorry to say it frankly
do nto think white is only racist nowhite also are racist too
when Harper know most Muslim are more nonwhite include to white coloure included go to point
such tell Iran:
we think Iran must spend moer money toward feed their own country to built more weapn and canada can help them too
we can sell them halal food or made them more chicken feed or manfacure for grow chicken or sell more wheat or pizza machinery or so on
Candaina are not like peopel who do any link with suidice boming etner in Canada in any group and therefoer if we know iran are support this group we do not deal with you or work with you or such tone like this
===
right now in ONLY canada nonMuslim take muslim out of halal food manfcure and call them terrorist and not pay any damage knowing they did say that and hold them in wrong accusation to only not pay them damage claim and continue all discrimination then Iran know Canda are not like Muslim in general picture and not pay attetnon to advice of Canda since they do not see them sensire
canada can tell iran we can help your drug problmes reduce or arrested or similar program to help their criminal inside this can work to gain trust since in Iran has more htan two million drug addict or too much cigar smokers and etc…
first Harpe must Order Loblaw to pay back damge to Muslim in Canada and pay thier business back as soon as possible for sake of public interst
I can assure people that when a Globe and Mail reporter writes the words “hard line” and “no such nuance” the reader is not meant to draw a positive inference. Which is why the article singles out Mr Harper vis-a-vis President Obama and does not mention the hard-line positions of other leaders. Nor mention some of the other countries that walked out during Ahmadinejad’s speech: Argentina, Australia, Britain, Costa Rica, Denmark, France Germany, Hungary, Italy, New Zealand and the United States.
Mr Harper’s position is hardly the singular one, without good company, the Globe story implies it is.
Furthermore, when the story says Mr Obama is fitting “Stephen Harper’s tone” that also is not, I suspect, intended to evoke warm and fuzzy feelings.
Mark
Ottawa
Yes it as if that is the only thing journo schools teach – the use of words and phrases that reflect the journalist’s/media orgs leanings.
leading experts, obstinately on the right, to a standing room crowd, a few protesters, insurgents, the one, crown prince,
Heavens forbid they be taught how to inform and report accurately.
new: I see you changed meds. Yuo aer nwo mroe icnhertn thneanver.
Try ESL before posting again.
/typing that gave me a headache.
new is a racist
Anti-Iran bias called `shameful’
Sep 29, 2009 04:30 AM
Re:Cannon condemns Iran’s nuclear
ambitions in UN speech, Sept. 26
Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s statement on sanctions against Iran clearly shows a bias. “Canada will be very supporting of whatever actions are necessary to deal with what is a tremendous threat to international peace and security.”
Has there ever been a similar statement from any Canadian prime minister or Western leader against Israel, when it was making weapons of mass destruction in the most volatile region of the world? Is there any other bigger threat to international peace and security than a nuclear state killing innocent stone-throwing Palestinian lads with her mighty power?
This dual standard of justice practised by our leaders is the main reason for the destruction of world peace and the global economy.
Mehdi Rizvi, Pickering
The ugly and biased face of Conservatives was exposed by the boycott of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s UN speech. It’s a shame that a country like Canada is behaving like that.
What exactly is Ahmadinejad’s crime? Did he lie at the United Nations in front of the whole world and, based on these lies, invade a country, resulting in the death of more than half a million human beings? Did Iran occupy or attack any country? Did Iran use white phosphorus on civilians? Did Iran block humanitarian and medical aid to 1.5 million people?
If you do not agree with Ahmadinejad, answer him in a civilized way that shows you are a grown up and educated person not a puppet. Shameful acts like these will open the eyes of lots of people.
Ahmadinejad in UN railed against Israeli injustice in the Palestinian territories.
Mona Tipu, Burlington
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper missed the 64th General Assembly altogether. While his counterparts from Britain, France, Russia, China, Japan and the U.S. outlined their plans and aspirations, he went to Oakville to tour a Tim Hortons “innovation centre.”
On Tuesday, Harper skipped most of the UN Summit on Climate Change to have lunch with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. He left Environment Minister Jim Prentice to defend Canada’s policy of doing whatever the U.S. does. (Harper did go to the leaders’ dinner that evening.)
On Wednesday, Canada distinguished itself by boycotting Ahmadinejad’s speech before he’d opened his mouth. Most nations at least waited until the Iranian president’s diatribe became offensive to walk out.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper met Thursday with his Israeli counterpart, Benjamin Netanyahu, a day after Canada led a walkout at the United Nations of the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s annual summit address. Netanyahu was expected to use the closed-door get-together at New York’s Waldorf Astoria Hotel to thank Harper for the Canadian action, which was followed by U.S., British and other delegations.
Also On Thursday evening and Friday, Harper attended a meeting of the world’s 20 leading economic powers in Pittsburgh. According to the Prime Minister’s Office, that precluded a speech to the United Nations. But most other G20 leaders managed to do both. If Harper had asked, UN officials probably could have accommodated his commitment to be in Pittsburgh (a mere 500 km away) by dinnertime Thursday.
Late Saturday, Cannon finally spoke for Canada.
There are those who think the UN is an impotent talk shop and global diplomacy is passé. That was certainly former U.S. president George W. Bush’s view.
But Washington has moved on. The U.S. now intends to become a fully engaged member of the global community, as Obama made clear to the General Assembly. It wants to help revitalize multilateral organizations such as the UN.
Regrettably, Canada has sidelined itself.
It was once a pillar of the United Nations. Now it is a bit player.
It was once respected for its ability to crack open tough geopolitical problems. Now it watches impassively as the UN struggles to “maintain international peace and security.”
It was once seen as a country that punched above its weight globally. Now it is barely in the ring. The last time Canada spearheaded a groundbreaking initiative was in the 1990s, leading a campaign to have landmines banned. (At the same time, Canadian diplomats were working behind the scenes to establish an International Criminal Court.)
Canada’s time may come again. Next year, it hosts the G20 summit, belatedly granting full recognition to the global economic forum launched by former finance minister Paul Martin in 1999.
One week of underwhelming statecraft won’t destroy Canada’s reputation.
But the miscues and absences do add up. As the world order shifts, Canada acquires an image as a nation that doesn’t say much, doesn’t do much and doesn’t seem to stand for much.
Oh Crap. I gotta get new specs.I actually understood,after only one quick glance,what ron in kelowna typed.Thanks Ron…..:):)
And back OT….why do the lefturds hate a Canadian PM who actually has the guts and cojones to stand up to the crap a**holes of the UN and the world??
new: dumbest, most incoherent drivel I have ever read.. and I only read 1.5 sentences.
Obama is so easy to see through he is transparent: Deflect and distract from the horrifying debacle that is his domestic agenda.
new
I didn’t bother attempting the second post, but that being said, I don’t see the relevance of your position. It is not our responsibility to appease nor understand what Muslim’s desire with respect to Iran. It is our responsibility to prevent a lunatic from illegally acquiring those WMD’s and to stand by our ally. Period!
My prediction wrt Iran: Iran will push things until the very last moment; then they’ll fold. I think dinnerjacket’s bluffing, but I also support error-ing on the side of caution. There will be a time when the people of Iran will have to take responsibility for the actions of their government. They are not victims of oppression, they enable their leaders just as we all do.JMO
WRT PMSH: I wouldn’t trade him for any leader, anywhere.
Also, I’ve been a supporter of the Afghan mission, but because of the apparent flip-flop by Obama from his campaign priorities I don’t think I can justify staying past our deadline. It’s becoming clear that we cannot trust the Americans to carry-out their end of the responsibility on this matter; therefore, I support the CPC and the Libs pulling our troops out in 2011 unless the BO can at least hold-up his end; meaning giving his generals what they need.JMO
New:
Whenever I feel a bellyache coming on I go home to mama for her chicken soup.She feels better, I feel better. Everybody I know is happy too!