155 Replies to “Western Separatists Are Doing The Happy Bum Dance Tonight”

  1. Right Honorable Terry Tory @ 10:52,
    great analysis. Maybe a higher probability than 60% for first option IMHO, because it’s closer to the Canadian way.

  3. If government is highjacked by Eastern Canada the only thing that needs to happen to start a powerful movement toward Western separation is for a couple of CREDIBLE Western leaders to come forth and advocate we separate. If the right people step forward I will take a serious look at any credible proposal for independence and even be willing to pay higher taxes if that is what is needed to make separation viable.

  4. terru tory – note that in your scenario, the legal leader of the Liberal Party would still be Dion. The Liberals wouldn’t have met by January 27 to elect their new leader.
    Or, are the Liberals really going to reject democracy in their own ranks and simply appoint rather than elect a new leader? Would that go well with the Liberal delegates, many of whom would NOT be for Ignatieff?
    And, there’s something rotten about a situation where a government, such as the proposed coalition, is not only not elected, but is held ‘in power’ by a political party, the Bloc, which is out of the electoral reach of the majority of Canadians.
    That effectively means that the govt of Canada would be in the control, and only control, of one province. Quebec.
    trusty tory – excellent analysis, by the way. Certainly, what this has done, is to put these issues in the public eye.
    What the Coalition wants to do, is take power without an election, and then, raise taxes and use that money to bribe and manipulate special interest groups, ethnics, unions, to vote for them.
    By the way, in an election in January-February, would the three parties, the NDP-Liberal-Bloc be presenting themselves as a coalition or as only themselves? Wouldn’t the public be fearful of what they might decide to do, after an election that was focused on single parties – wouldn’t the public be worried that they might then forgo the will of the people, and make backroom deals to coalesce and insist on governing?

  5. “Please just go already! We’ll even help pack your bags.”
    MW: Aw shucks, gawsh, uhyuhh, thanks! Oh, wait, he’s just teasing us.
    “So, to anyone from Atlantic Canada or Ontario outside the Golden Horseshoe who might read this, you can safely ignore the more excitable amongst our midst on this subject.”
    BJG, that is precisely the problem. Eastern Liberal social-engineers will continue to run roughshod over Western interests UNTIL there is a credible threat to the status quo! The way you get a credible threat is not by sitting on our arses moaning about there not being a credible threat to stop the Eastern juggernaut. We create the threat, which we hope will provide enough counterweight to Eastern voters.
    Look, one of the charges leveled at Harper by Eastern gang-bangers (hey, if Robert Fife can call us knuckle-draggers…) is that he’d alienate Quebecers. I don’t see anyone in the common public sphere (CPS) charging that Stephane Dion will alienate Western Separatists. Well unless and until we get a decent, widespread Western Separation party going, we will continue to suck the hind tit in Canada.
    Hey, don’t shoot the messenger. The Eastern gangsters have framed the debate. They have created the country the way it is, and they control the politicking. I am merely proposing that we take the Liberal machine up on their offer: “threaten separation effectively, or we won’t deal with you”.

  6. I agree Different Bob. There is no need to start a separation party and remove a provincial party.
    I think Brad Wall is the best bet. Stelmach is too wishy washy.

  7. Don’t believe that all Ontarians are the same. My riding threw out Garth Turner and voted solidly Conservative. I can’t stand what is happening in Ottawa. If I could do more for the Conservatives right now, I would. The Liberals and the NDP together – who is surprised? The Liberals are desperate to get back to their trough. But working with the Bloc? I hope that others in Canada see it for what I know it is – treason.

  8. While keeping in mind the problem is the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal axis of evil, keep an open mind to taking the western half of Ontario with you.
    I don’t want to be on the wrong side of the boarder. All my kin are out west too. That would be wrong.
    And it would mean being part of the leftard police state.
    Have pity people!

  10. Right Honorable Terry Tory @ 10:52,
    ‘great analysis’. I sure hope your right.
    I am not for western separation until it’s the last resort. Saying that IMHO you could cripple the federal government and the bureaucratic system by just holding civil strikes, closing down the businesses, turning off the taps. They can’t operate without money.

  11. This just in from 660 News Calgary.
    Tories discuss creating western “financial hub”
    December 01, 2008 – 6:24 am
    660 News Staff
    Click here to find out more!
    The Stelmech Tories are floating the idea of creating a western based financial hub, hoping to turn the province into a major global financial player.
    The hub would cluster financial operations, as the province continues to look for ways to take financial clout away from eastern Canada.
    The Finance Minister tells The Herald major banks in Toronto don’t always understand the financial needs of the energy sector and it would be in the province’s best interest to create it’s own hub.
    I digress from my last statement – Ed IS paying attention! First step folks … first step.

  12. Hoo boy take note: This Canadian soldier will sooner desert than “bust out the tanks” and run Albertans down “tiananmen style”.

  13. Actually, all we really need to do is burn toronto to the grownd and kick out Quebec. Harper has a solid majority otherwise (also burning QC is a feel-good option for the holiday season…)

  14. OK bcf (is that of the same genus as blazingcatfur), you’ve convinced me – how do I join the new party?

  15. “Western Separatists Are Doing The Happy Bum Dance Tonight”
    Sure! I wouldn’t mind dancing cheek to cheek with Kate!

  16. Subprime Steve–the policies of W Bush and the ethics of Tricky Dick…You all must be so proud.

  18. Two options: create one. (Which is not a bad idea to get things going. We in the West created Reform, and look what that finally ended up doing to the liberals!)
    Second, we work within existing parties to help frame the debate in Western terms. Perhaps Big Ed will understand that it is not only in the finance sector that we are getting shafted, but really creating a new political paradigm in the Western portion of the country can help to create a more balanced political discourse. Assuming the Ontario-Quebec axis accepts the new realities. So I’m secretly daring Taliban Jack and Stephanie Dijon to “bring it down, man bring it all down!!” (with apologies to Michael Moore in “Team America: World Police”).
    I think we should all support any and every move that is designed to give Westerners more self-determination. Whether indirectly (through Ed’s approach) or more directly (through grass-roots campaigning) or a happy combination of both. It starts with us. Right here in the blogosphere.
    I am really keen to get discussion going on how a Western Self-Determination movement can be started, and not hijacked by utter cooks like Doug Christie.

  19. I just started a Western Separatist Group on Facebook… if you believe in the cause please join. We need a voice, in the West and NOW!

  20. I just started a Western Separatist Group on Fecebo*k… if you believe in the cause please join. We need a voice, in the West and NOW!

  22. A Storm is coming
    Thanks 😉
    Consequently, if we really were allowed to burn toronto and quebec to the ground I’d go back to believing in Santa again. That’d be the best Christmas ever!
    Maybe hope for some meteors and a comet or two… lol.

  23. My closing comment, bcf, was directed as it was, partly because those Canadians are not the “Liberal Social Engineers” you refer to. They are people who want the best for Canada, as do most Westerners.
    Besides, Conservatives are winning the fight for Canada. Look at the last election results. The CPC elected more MP’s than the Libs in 7 provinces, including Ontario; more than the ND’s in 8. ND support is a mile wide and an inch deep, the Libs are Pretty much reduced to Toronto and Montreal city strongholds. It’s been a long fight and it has a ways to go. As much as we want the fight to end like the Little Big Horn in our favour, we have to slug it out like Guadalcanal. Hopefully, one more federal election.
    If this coalition that the libs/ND are proposing comes to pass, 73% of their MP’s will be from Ontario (Toronto),and Quebec. People in St. John’s, Moncton, Sudbury and even Vancouver are going to notice that. Might be the atomic bomb we’ve been looking for.
    But, hey, that’s my opinion. And I already told you how much you have to pay for it.

  24. So what makes an seditious Alberta/Western separatist any better than a Quebec Separatist? They look the same to me. The Quebec separatists just know how to make good cheese.
    Stop whining, it’s called democracy.

  25. This is a story that needs legs!!! I personally will be sending this thread to our constituency president (Conservative) and many others. I sent the idea of western separation up as a trial balloon this morning while making the rounds, the store, the post office etc. and the response was great!! I live in the riding of BC Southern Interior, which currently has a NDP MP but was solidly REFORM, and people are excited about the threat of western separation.
    Mr. Harper, don’t play their game. We got your back and if the eastern elitists want our tax dollars and our resources they better play by our rules or else were gonna divide and conquer again.
    To the rest of you reading this and to those that are of similar mind, spread the word. Let your MP know of this potential for separation and the MSM in your local riding.
    Time for some Grassroots politics. Ye Ha!!!

  27. Just the fact that people such as I are perusing this site and posting comments should give the three amigos reason to rethink their actions. Pretty calm about the whole government and election thing – until this latest BS.
    I have never donated to a political party or movement in the past. Now I am thinking about it. Have no fear, that money won’t go to any of the left wing idiots.

  28. Perhaps the difference between separatist Quebecois and separatist Westerners is this: the former demanded to be treated differently because of their ancestry and language and threatened to leave the country if they weren’t placated with a never-ending flow of tax money – and the latter are fed up with being the cash cow in the first arrangement.
    But other than that, they’re exactly the same./sarc

  29. The Quebec model ie- Western Block Party can be used, but at provincial level, to prepare way for negotiations about reducing transfer payments, collecting ALL our own income taxes, and running our own pension program (sound familiar?), with full range of options, including separation referendum IAW Clarity Act.
    As has been stated earlier the West, unlike Quebec, actually has the means to separate.
    We will not, however, give up hope of remaining in Canada (maybe the next power grab coalition will give us the balance of power, sorry left sarcasm switch on). Our theme will be “separation if necessary, but not necessarily.”
    So, coalitionists, go for it; just don’t say you weren’t warned about the consequences. Is a naked power grab really worth this?
    Oh, it is. OK.

  30. So wait a second… the French are a bunch of whiny bitches trying to break up the country and because they can’t always get what they want, but what about you guys?
    Cripes… how’s do you even put your pants on with so many knots in your panties?

  31. So what makes an seditious Alberta/Western separatist any better than a Quebec Separatist? They look the same to me. The Quebec separatists just know how to make good cheese.
    Stop whining, it’s called democracy.
    Posted by: lib4life
    Gee could it be two invasions. One by the English , the other by the RCMP? Than an economic rape by the East by you Trudeau worshippers. Called the NEP, that sent Canada into a deep recession. Naw. Maybe its the fact that our farmers go to jail for selling grain to Americans while Eastern farmers do not. Perish the thought.
    Could it possibly be the fact for even using the same rails we where gouged for material goods from Ontario by outrageous prices while our resources where almost given away from carpetbaggers from the East sold cheap on those same rails. The crow rate. Not likely? Might it have something to do with Quebecers with a low population having more power per person than any other Canadian? Owning the very Bureaucracy from prejudiced one sided language bills. Surly not.
    A Mandatory set amount of seats no matter how low the population in Quebec where the men are almost completely gay there going extinct.
    Nope? Hum all those billions & billions sent to Ottawa than ended up in the coffers of the East. Upper & Lower Canada. Getting warm. Never having been given a dime even when in economic trouble. Hotter still. All the loans that have NEVER been paid back by the ingrates of the East. Getting Nova. Now you spit on our vote than call it Democracy. Your crooked government is immoral by a Western point of view . We would consider it to be illegal . So any Dion polity would be an outlaw regime, like a Mugabe one. Get it now?
    referendum on separation is a must now for our very survival. For we know what the 3 jokers are up too . Pillaging the West yet again to support a car industry, that doing this very thing will produce vehicles no one has any money to buy. Are only a few highlights of treating fellow citizens like second class morons will get you.
    I will not be a French slave Sir!!!
    Quebec has done nothing but take from Canada. Alberta has done nothing but give. Yet who gets treated like scum? Who is called hillbillies? You have the audacity to ask why we are being forced to leave by thieves dressed as Toronto & Quebec Mp‘s!!!
    Yours was one of the most jackass posts I have ever read. If nothing else it shows your utter ignorance of Canadian history or even politics.
    Your support of this junta well in advance it now seems before the election, run by wasteful criminal-pampering douche bags is gonna fall on your heads like hot metal. Enjoy the bitter pie, its laced with the poison of self-indulgence. Westerners like me helped form the Reform party so this day would not come. Its on the East’s head not ours. We don’t bluff out West. That’s an eastern pastime. We have no time for it. Unlike you ,we have a destiny.
    JMO

  32. For those comparing Western Separatism with Quebec Separatism, bare in mind that one is receiver of largesse, the other donor of largesse.
    Actually, the largesse is not given, simply taken by an Eastern clique that really doesn’t give a d*mn about the “donor”. The West has been quite clear about it and the eastern elite have not even bothered to poo-poo them; they just don’t count.
    If Canada still exists come next election, if this putsch goes down, there will be no NDP or Libs or Greens North and West of Toronto. Then you’ll pay.
    The Libs and Socialists are in a ship of fools and the Bloc is their Pied Piper. Hey, look ma, a mixed metaphor!

  33. Let the hard work of separating form the leftwing f***tards begin. Bye Bye Libranos. Nice knowin’ y’all.

  34. I, too, cannot believe that this is happening in Canada. I watched the three stooges news conference and it seemed kind of “third world” to me. We just had an election and Layton is saying Harper’s lost the confidence of the House and of the Canadian people. Come on Jack? Get your head out of your a**. Liberals and NDP will go down in a pile of smoke whenever we decide to do things democratically again. I would love to have the West seperate – and I can’t believe I’m writing that! But this has really pissed me off!

  35. Wake Up Western Canada, if this coalition goes as planned, the Bloc with 16.2 % of the popular vote will be running the COUNTRY and Quebec will get all they want

  37. the Eastern politicos had a choice:
    Compromise with the CPC -a legitimate Canadian supporting party or…
    Reject “working with” the above and conspire to grab power through a coalition backed by Quebec Separatists who have no love for Canada.
    If the Liberals and the ND can sell out to the BQ they have indeed chosen power and the Quebec Separatists over the CPC and Canada, all the while flipping the bird to the vast majority of the West that voted for the CPC and the concept that the “West wants in” to Canada. This was a good faith election and Westerners were obviously duped out of their turn at the decision making table in favour of Quebec Separatists.
    Therefore following that if this coup d’etat proceeds, it is obvious and ample evidence that political power is not to be shared with Westerners, and is better shared with Separatists from Quebec. At least Quebec is not a colony. The same cannot be said for Western Canada.
    There is no more proof necessary to conclude that our place in “Canadian” history should be just that.
    It is high time to place our Western values on the table and call it a day for this country. We have held our heads high but have been smacked around by the East in perpetuity. We have fought the good fight and have lost miserably. So, we have a choice now to go down the tubes such as what happened to Atlantic Canada as they entered Confederation and were the first to be duped out of their riches, or to take matters into our own hands and move forward to create and mold a better, more equitable nation. A nation that is self reliant, proud, prosperous and is not a colony to be abused by any other power.
    It is time for Western Separation to begin in earnest.
    As an Albertan I invite all Westerners to join in spirit and conviction against this 100+ year abuse.
    Northern Ontario should indeed move to form their own movement and join along with Southern Ontario to kick Toronto to the curb.
    I surmise that Canada could remain intact with an Ontario that does not include the 416.
    Quebec will make the decision to give up or leave when and only when they can extort no more blood from the rock. It is time to call the bluff of Quebec as well as the T-O-M cabal.
    I lived through the NEP and have witnessed the suicides of people in downtown Calgary caused by despair. That despair was exacted upon us by the LIBERALS under Trudeau and Chretien. Fool us once- shame on us.
    This time we are aware and are powerful. This alone is a threat to the T-O-M and we see the desperation in their eyes: ANYTHING but allow the West to have a say.

  40. this is so pathetic. Dion is prepared to sacrifice his party [ or whats left of them] just to be a Prime Minister for 6 months? Oh yah stephie your the man..

  41. I guess PMSH really did have a hidden agenda, namely one to knee-cap the thieving, power hungry libs once & for all. And I’m talking about the abolition of the $1.95/vote welfare subsidy to the parties.
    Taliban Jack, on the other hand, got it into his head that he could blackmail any sitting minority PM like he did Little Paulie, to push through his Marxist idealogy. The guy’s totally delusional; he really believes the sh!t coming out of his pie-hole. And no matter how many times he blathers on about the New Dipstick Party understanding the plight of Canadians, almost every voter can see that BS for what it is.
    But PMSH made a blunder though: He should never have backed down on scrapping the subsidy to the parties. He should have stayed the course, because the last election proved there was a ground-swell of support for the conservatives outside of the welfare states east of the Ontario border.
    If the 3 Stooges do form government, with our separatiste GG’s blessing, I’m going to put my money where my mouth is, and contribute to a Western Separation Party. I’ve had enough. My Canada can NEVER be governed by some jackass holding a French passport, propped up by a Peter Sellers clone from “I’m All Right Jack!”
    What the PM has to do is to prorogue the House until after the Obamessiah takes over, bring in a sensible Budget, and take us into another election. Massive conservative majority.

  42. Anyone looking for petitions etc for Western Canada to separate please email me and I will be happy to supply them. There is a MASSIVE movement now taking place throughout Western Canada because of this coup d’état. I live in Okotoks, Alberta and I can promise you that should this coup take place it will be the SURE destruction of Canada. PM Dion will be Canada’s last PM.
    Email address: fiximmigration@gmail.com
    Largs wrote: “Perhaps it is too late for me. I am nearly 60 and would find it hard to get a job, but in the words of Horace Greeley “Go west young man”
    If this coalition happens there will be no future for Canada for there will be no Canada.
    To the people in the west I say goodbye and good luck. Watch your immigration carefully. No sense going it alone if you take the very people who destroyed the country in the first place.”
    Largs I was born in Ontario lived in Quebec for 26 years and nothing saddens more that the potential destruction of Canada however Western Canadians will not survive a government run by Layton from Quebec, Dion from Quebec & Duceppe from Quebec. Albertans cannot afford to take this gamble particularly when Jack Layton has said he will shut Alberta’s oil down. I am sure you would be welcomed out west with open arms.
    In addition, I agree immigration can be a lifeline or a plague it all depends on how it is done.
    D. Wilson
    Okotoks, Alberta

  43. Will the new Western Nation be accepting immigrants from south of the border? Sounds like you’ve got a better idea there. Can I crash on your couch for a while?

  44. Well said Reverent Dream. I too remember all that you mentioned – I remember my Mom and Dad selling their cows and crops for nothing and paying huge taxes so the CCF bigshots and the easterners could live high on the hog. I was in Alta when the Turdo shut down the province – two of my friends died and many (myself included) ended up jobless and flat broke. My active repugnance for Dippers and Puffins has never left me. The Blocheads at one time gave me hope that they would leave the country and take the Quebers who hate the rest of us with him. Seems I underestimated the Fishy Blochead – he doesn’t really give a rip about independence – he is looking for funded dependence with Quebec calling the shots!
    Never again. What the two dumbos and the blochead have arranged is treason. Call it by any name you wish, it is treason and anyone who is a citizen of this country should be outraged – even if they are torn by their own greed for western money when the Troika of Bolsheviki start spreading around the $$.
    I think the hard core crooks in the Liberano Party are worried about the unearthing of the billions hidden in secret Trust Funds. Explains the panic to me.

  45. TBinSTL;
    Probably :). But bring skills and hard work ethics with you please and thank you.
    Alienated: Why do you opine? This turn of events is the most fantastic thing to come along in more than 100 years (more than 103 to be exact). We never voted to be a part of CONfederation. We were just annexed.
    It is high time we made a decision like the responsible adults we know we are and can be.
    The head is shiny and the puss needs to escape. “Jack and Gilles have pricked the boil to get a piece of the action”.
    It’s all good… in the end that is, because the result will be to toss out the old and replace it with whatever we come up with.
    It’s fantastic to watch Jacko going to shut down Oil- that gives revenue, and plunge us all into pogey, to which there will be no funds to float the bill.
    Just wait till he demands that Alberta “share” our Heritage Trust Fund. You know its coming. It’s like a train wreck. You just know there is massive carnage underneath the twisted wreckage.
    It’s coming as sure as your taxes are going up.
    Question is: how are you going to vote in the referendum?

  46. This is a power grab at a time when the country needs stability. It’s time the West stood up and flexed it’s muscles. BC/AB/SK are the engine of this country and I think we’re tired of funneling good money after bad. The planned $30B bailout is a payment for the support of the public sector. Why on earth would we give money to a 100% foreign owned company (Ford) to prop up an industry that is destined to fail.
    Canada has one of the strongest economies in the G20 so why topple the Government. Like the Conservatives or not this is not a time to introduce further instability into the economy. It’s plain greed.
    Does anyone know if there is a leading Western Separatist Party? It’s time to leave Dominion.
    Thanks!

  47. “Does anyone know if there is a leading Western Separatist Party? It’s time to leave Dominion.”
    ———-
    Rise; I am not sure about elsewhere, but there is one for AB called SPA
    http://www.separationalberta.com/
    In Feb 2008 an unofficial poll pegged AB being better off alone at 23%.
    I am certain that if this goes through that would EASILY double.

  48. I believe that it is easy to sort things out by simply anouncing that we reckonize that the Bloc, NDP, Greens, and Liberals are now a new party.
    They should be known as the “Coalition Party of Canada” going forward from this moment, and going forward should elect their own leadership, and run in the next election as the “Coalition Party of Canada”.
    We would no longer need parties such as the NDP, Liberal, Bloc, or any other brands of parties. We then would be able choose the government we wish for our country going forward, two choices only, and as a bonus we would no longer be troubled by the separtist party in Quebec highjacking the rest of Canada. The Conservatives would automatically become the western representives for the west, giving us a voice in government.

  49. The coalition is the final kick in the ass that I needed to realize that Western Canada will never be treated with any respect by the east.
    It is time for us to go now.
    Doug Christie of the WCC is not the right guy to lead us out of Canada.
    Ralph Klien what are you doing these days?

  50. I agree with Keith. Let’s wake up King Ralph and get the ball rollin. It is time to wash our hands of these leftwing blackmailers once and for all. Saskatchewan,Alberta,and BC can look after themselves quite nicely without the rest of the deadweight from this country tagging along.
    I for one, have wanted to leave for a long time and this just solidifies my thoughts. What a kick in the balls for Western Canada this coalition is!!!!!

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