155 Replies to “Western Separatists Are Doing The Happy Bum Dance Tonight”

  1. And sorry to hog the board, but there is a poll going horribly wrong at the Tranna Star right now…
    TODAY’S POLL
    Do think a Liberal-NDP coalition with Bloc support would lead to good government?
    Yes
    No
    Don’t know
    Results | Past Polls
    Read the story and comment

  2. JMD: … if a cultural funding cut is enough to lose votes in Quebec after all of Harper’s shameless suck-up to Quebec, then the frogs have got to go. Harper’s mistake was not made in the election nor was it made this past week, it was made during the past years in his shameless sucking up to Canada’s biggest parasitic and undeserving member … Quebec. Quebec is not Canadian … it only takes, takes, takes and lives only to take … Quebec is the mother of all leaches and Canada is the host.
    Harper ignored Ontario … battled with New Foundland … and kissed Quebec’s ass like some cheap whore. What did it gain him … nothing. Had he put that much effort into Ontario he’d be leader of a massive majority to day. The Harper strategy toward Quebec was a massive blunder … and now the country is in turmoil … right in the middle of an economic crisis.
    The only thing to come of this, is that the liberals and NDP have now shown their colours, and they are finished. The liberals are no longer the natural governing party, and with a fresh face in leadership (no matter how much I generally admire Harper), the CPC will get a massive majority.
    If they don’t, the West will be out. Unlike Quebec, the West has genuine grievances … especially Alberta, and with Saskatchewan now part of the Western economic power base, a Western concept has huge economic potential … unlike a Quebec concept where survival has always depended on draining Canada of funds … mosquitoes can’t live without a host.
    And finally, this little episode shows us all what socialists are made of … power, at any cost … power, and only power.
    Old guard liberals with any brain, must be utterly downcast … this is what has become of Canada’s greatest ever political machine … financially broke, led by numpties, and bumping uglies with seperatists.
    Nice.

  4. Anybody selling Canadian stocks this morning? I am just so worried about my mother’s RRSP, and my in-law’s RRSPs. They took a huge beating last month, but at least Canada was still sound. Now what?
    And as for western separation, please don’t do it. It’s not helpful. The problem is not the east; it is the big cities. Our region of Ontario is one of the bluest in the country. So don’t sound so arrogant against us.
    It’s not us.
    It’s Toronto.
    If you leave, you’re effectively saying Toronto can run what is left of Canada, and what is left of Canada will become a Chavez like state.
    You may not care, but we do. Short of leaving, we can’t do anything about it. And I would leave except for family.
    Let’s just let this one ride out and then punish the Liberals in the next election and get a Conservative majority. It’s been done before, it will happen again.
    But not if all of you keep talking about separation and throw your votes away.

  5. Iggy knows they cant hide the puffin poo on this one. Borat Dion for a couple of months, him tainted for the next year and the lieberals will be out for good.
    Iggy will be leading the abstainer charge out of the house while Borat stumbles and Boob Rae fumbles and Taliban Jack grumbles.

  7. Well, Jim, and all the rest of you western hard-asses, tell me where your truculence has gotten you.
    I share the view of many here that political parties should not get taxpayer subsidies but there is a time and place for everything and Thursday’s financial statement was neither. It is also nice to huff and puff and tell Quebec to get stuffed but be prepared to dwell in the land of minorities forever becaue that province has 75 seats.
    It is about realpolitk and Harper’s judgement seems seriously flawed. He is the architect of his own misfortunes. Conservative voters and the Canadian people deserve better than this.

  8. Layton is in the process of committing Hari Kari. Duceppe has nothing to lose. He can demand big things for Quebec, his only interest in return for his support.
    The dupes in this unworkable troika, the Liberals, who only want power, are the biggest fools of all.
    They’ll all be dancing to Duceppe’s tune, they can’t be viable without him. He really has the most power and the potential to ruin the country.
    The big story may well be how Harper flushed out the weasels, rats and snakes. It could be a storyline for a comedic farce. Pied Piper Harper’s Vermin cleanse?

  9. HA I was just thinking , what would happen if the Alberta liberal party tried to do this provincially ?

  11. Although I have a healthy distaste for seperation..no more Maple Leafs. C’mon a new country has to have some standards. Can we have a yeild sign with bullet holes as our national symbol?

  13. Can’t get rid of the “WELFARE BUM QUEBEC” fast enough. Think of the potential of western Canada. No more 20 billion a year sucked out of Alberta, your next Sask! You good people next door are soon to find out what is like to be to productive, and have to give up billions so the lazy, dog breeding like, Quebecker. So they can continue in their welfare like lives, gimme more Anglo.

  14. I will financially and physically support any western separation movement should this coalition gov’t occur.
    I don’t think the people of the west need much more motivation. The opposition have all but said we were wrong and they know better.
    Dion finally found his balls, of course, he was about to lose his welfare cheque. Now we know what inspires the left.
    I will never vote again should this coalition occur.

  15. Canada belongs to us all. Doesn’t matter east, west, north or south – it is our land. It is a country worth fighting for.

  16. JDM, as an Ontario resident who had to leave this country to understand the depth and breadth of the propaganda war waged against conservatism, I find your comment… silly.
    Cutting tax dollar funding to political parties is a conservative idea. Cutting tax dollar funding for the arts is a conservative idea. You can tell because the of the level of uproar that’s resulted. Not blowing billions of tax dollars on an ill-conceived “stimulus package”, aka pork bonanza,is a conservative idea.
    Harper ran on a promise of smaller government and conservative policies, because that is what the CPC stands for and what people everywhere except Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver want.
    Three opposition parties are trying to topple the government not because they honestly think the economic plan is wrong, but in a cynical attempt to grab money to which they should not be entitled. They want to seize power because they can’t win power in an election. They don’t care about us, they care about themselves.
    I’m not going to sit here and say Harper -does- care about us, because frankly I don’t believe it and it doesn’t matter anyway. If he cares or not, its irrelevant to the current action.
    The difference between Harper and the other 3 b@st@rds is simple. Harper said what he was going to do, and now he’s doing what he said. He’s KEEPING HIS WORD. The rest of them are lying like a cheap Persian carpet.
    Now, as to you Western Separatist types, be aware that The West pretty much starts at the edge of Toronto. Maybe about Burlington someplace and circles around to Pickering. Take a look at the electoral riding map, CPC pretty much surrounds Hogtown.
    Anybody wants to propose we make Greater Toronto a city-state all its own and cut them loose from the rest of Canada, I’ll sign on to that. See how they do without the rest of the country buying their subway tokens for ’em. Good luck Mayor Dave.
    Same for Quebec. No more kid glove treatment, no more special deals, you get what everybody else gets or shove off. What a radical concept, eh?
    However, may I suggest that an elected Senate with teeth will probably work better. Particularly if it is based on region, not population. That way the rest of us have some voice that isn’t drowned out by the masses of @sses in Toronto and Montreal.

  18. Put out the word! Everyone who blogs here, supports the Conservatives and has a Conservative MP should e-mail him or her and demand that Harper prorogue Parliament rather than let the power-hungry bastards highjack Parliament. Demand that the House stay closed until Flaherty is ready to bring down a full budget.
    If this power-hungry unholy alliance wants to bring down the government on that, Harper will have a strong argument to make with the GG on calling an election rather than allow a coalition government which would be propped up by party that wants to see the destruction of this country. The people spoke a bare 7 weeks ago and a coalition involving the Bloq was not what they voted for!

  19. The sad state of this all is that it is not Ontario or even Toronto that want to make the coalition junta but those who mostly live in the east that feel they are “entitled” to everything. Heck, I even have friends and family in GTA but for every sane person who works hard for their wages, there are a couple of latte sipping or bingo halling idiots who are looking for more basketball courts, grants, subsities or union jobs. Sometimes reality bites.
    Here in Halifax, the paper has front page story on lobster fishermen who are not getting the prices they expected for their catch due to soft world markets. The words weren’t there but the way the story was written you can see “me too” for the next bailout/stimulus plan.

  20. The difference in the idea of Western separation and Quebec is that the west will do it on the basis of self reliance,economic strenght and common sense as opposed to Quebec’s 30 plus years of appeased temper trantrums.
    My husband was born in Regina,oldest son lives in Calgary, our soon to graduate from unniversity other 2 children already plan to pursue careers out west, sounds like a good time to move to me.

  22. According to National Post Iggy is on board b/c he will get to be the PM. So much for the poisoned chalice of alligning with the separatists we read about. Anything for power. Idiots.

  23. I hear and understand the arguments for an independent West but I want to give Canada every chance to do the right thing. It will be interesting to see what the polls reveal as the week goes on. If there is a strong (50% plus) opinion that what the troika of bandits are planning is unacceptable then Harper should head them off at the pass by proroguing parliament.
    If this axis of idiots wants to persue their plan of ambition Westerners will look at it as an Eastern power grab, which it most certainly is. Just look at where their seats are. That will fan the flames of Western separatism that just might turn into a wild fire.

  24. Can’t steal any money where the lieberals are right now, they will do anything to get back power where they can start stealing money again. Once a theif….

  25. Perhaps it is too late for me. I am nearly 60 and would find it hard to get a job, but in the words of Horace Greeley “Go west young man”
    If this coalition happens there will be no future for Canada for there will be no Canada.
    To the people in the west I say goodbye and good luck. Watch your immigration carefully. No sense going it alone if you take the very people who destroyed the country in the first place.

  26. Perhaps it is too late for me. I am nearly 60 and would find it hard to get a job, but in the words of Horace Greeley “Go west young man”
    If this coalition happens there will be no future for Canada for there will be no Canada.
    To the people in the west I say goodbye and good luck. Watch your immigration carefully. No sense going it alone if you take the very people who destroyed the country in the first place.

  27. A new National Socialist Party seizing power from an elected government…
    And people say Bush “stole” the election in 2000.

  28. Cheer up, atlanticjim. It’s the start of a new month so I’m sure your pogey cheque will be in the mailbox soon. (But ask yourself if it’ll be there after the West leaves.)

  29. The Libs and ND’s have essentially become one leftist party, the pact is for 2.5 years according to MSM.
    Only the conspirators know what the Bloc has been promised.
    Hopefully the GG will call for new elections should the Harper government be defeated after they have presented their budget in January.
    However should the GG acceed to their wishes, Canada will immediately be governed by communists, plain and simple for two and a half years.
    In that time Canada will be a communist country with an economy similar to most third world countries.
    The western provinces should make plans now to counter the threat the three communist conspirators pose.
    Look out oil sands Taliban Jack will shut you down as soon as he can.
    And he will.
    I live in Ontario, but even at my age I will relocate, I refuse to live under communism, and that is exactly where these three conspirators are taking Canada.

  30. Largs: It is definitely not too late for you. You would be amazed at the number of “older” workers finding well paying jobs here in Alberta. Not enough young folk around.
    Personally I am torn. I love Canada but hate the usurption of power with the forming of a coalition of unfriendly allies. Does not bode well for Canada and looks down right dangerous for western Canada.

  31. So anybody know of regional chapters of a Western Separation movement? It’s time to cut the cr@p, and start the ball rolling. I am constantly amazed at how productive the THREAT of separation has been for Quebec. Time for us out West to enjoy the same kind of leverage.
    And that leverage isn’t going to happen without getting a party started, or at least a movement, with regular membership drives… That way we are well positioned to take advantage of the next constitutional crisis.

  32. MY DREAM COMING TRUE?
    TIME TO FIRE UP thewestwantsout.com or ca ?????
    Now may be the time for the steel nosed approach.

  33. Well, looking at this rationally, a good case can be made for separation, should this coalition occur. I thought about this on the weekend, talked to people, and have come to the conclusion that it just won’t happen. As good as it could be, this is still the province that the NDP is the natural governing party of. Lethargy has set in in Alberta, Manitoba and BC never really had an appetite for it.
    For now, the only option is to wait it out, and punish the Liberals and NDP later, as ShielaG says above.

  34. Over the last 20 years I have been advocating the West should get out,20 years, hell, the last 40. Now is the time, it’s those numbers that I have been harping about, sooner or later they bring you down. The West will never have it’s place in the world with those carpet bagging ELB’s, eastern liberal bastards/bitches, and amphibious socialist leeches in Quebec continually sucking us dry. If this is indeed true and not just another ruse now is the time to fight, anyway you have to, anyway. Is this the barrel of a gun issue I have been talking about???

  35. It’s high time to begin building a movement that will gain traction (you gotta start small) and can build in time to a credible threat. Note, I agree, it’s not like this is going to happen overnight. But I am done listening to the ninnies who say it’ll never happen.
    It is precisely that kind of thinking, and attitude, that got the West into this predicament in the first place. Look, maybe the naysayers are right, and they’ll easily beat the movement down. But my reply is “Why make it easy for them?”
    The point is, if you demand that Toronto and Ottawa take us seriously, then there is much work to do. Clearly trying to punish the enemy in the polls isn’t working (Ontario and Quebec have a de facto veto over Western interests!) Thus there are only two forms of resistance left: electoral process resistance, and “extra-curricular”. Electoral process resistance begins with seriously building a party/movement, and getting candidates into ridings. A parallel activity would be slowly preparing the West for the inevitable referendum. And yes, Cretin you dumb f&*k, the question will be very clear: “Do you want the leftwing f**ktards in the East to be outta your lives permanently?” or words to that effect.
    On the extra-curricular front I have long advocated tax rebellions, (no taxation without representation, I believe that applies to an unelected Lib/NDP/Bloc coalition) as well as general non-cooperation with so-called “federal” authorities.
    These two strategies needn’t be mutually exclusive. In fact it is a combination of the above that is most likely to lead to the kind of self-determination the West is entitled to. Now whether that self-determination is within Canada, or without, is largely up to ‘those others’ out East.
    I’d prefer to see the Liberals and NDP recognise the will of the West, and suck up the funding cuts they are so fond of foisting on everyone else, but the reality is, the West just doesn’t count, and really why should Toronto take you seriously? It’s not like you have a viable separatist movement up and running!

  36. There will be ‘incalculable consequences’, I tell ya.
    I mean, why wouldn’t a Toronto ex-city councilor not see the big picture?
    Now excuse me while I go and laugh my damn head off.

  37. OK, so for all those fans of Canada out there: if the West really is free, how come we have to convince Quebec and Ontario to vote for the party that’ll look out for our interests? That ain’t freedom folks. It’s Colonialism.

  38. I have never been so outraged in my life. I have never been a proponent of Western Separation however I am now convinced it would be economic suicide to stay within Canada.
    The West would forever be condemned to political obscurity if these sleazy thugs succeed and our economies would be crushed by the Eastern Socialists who hate our self reliant nature and resulting success.
    To be governed by a party like the Bloc who hate us and would want to see us obliterated economically and politically would be unbearable.
    By separating we would be doing nothing more than acting to protect ourselves and I believe we have a responsibility to do so for our future and our children’s future.

  39. Difference between Quebec separation and Western Separation is the West can afford to separate. Lived through the Peterson-Rae accord. Nothing but tax increases. Still in Ontario but may have to move out west to help you vote yes. Enough of these Liberal-NDP stooges

  40. My take:(By sequence of events)
    1- The bombs have been dropped since Economic statement. The MSM is in a coverage frenzy assuring public awareness and debate/word of mouth communication at water coolers and kitchen tables with many opinion polls to come. The sleeping Canucks are again shaken out of slumber since last October’s election:
    > The $1.95 per vote per year is now out there. More than 80% of Canucks unsurprizingly unaware until now. Will not go well with majority of electorate.
    > The public servant unions already backing Opposition coalition to insure pay increases and strike bans not jeopardized. Majority struggling private sector taxpayers will not be amused.
    > Opposition coalition with secret NDP tape recording that plans were already set up to overthrow government even prior to economic statement will not go well with electorate fresh out of $300,000,000 election.
    > Raging debate if opposition coalision would be accepted by GG with ex separatist ties in Quebec is a huge liability in her decision process. Again, electorate, especially new money/influencial/western Canadians in uproar threatening unity if coalision is accepted by GG.
    2-60% chance the three stooges back down before Friday dec 5 and accept to wait for formal Flaherty budget if scheduled to be tabled Jan 27/sign off on pass weekend modified economic statement for now.
    OR:
    3-40% chance Harper prorogues House until jan. 27 to present budget (Note that Obama would have started to throw money bags at GM and others by then or not: TBD. Logically Canada has to wait for US to make move/Canada is pure export Nation…Too bad MSM not saying this).
    4-Budget is tabled Jan.27 with only stimulus plan the already budgeted 30 billion infrastructure fix. Harper targets to still avoid deficit by reigning in expenses including cut to public funding of political parties, ban on strikes by public servants ’till 2011/hourly increase caps like proposed in economic statement and other deficit fighting initiatives (Hopefully, Obama will propose similar cut objectives to US government giving Harper ammunition for budget acceptance by electorate).
    5- Budget is defeated by Opposition.
    6- GG decides on election rather than controversial opposition coalision government.
    7- Electorate is furious and well informed of the issues (See #1 above).
    8- Harper’s election machine is still the best lubed of the four. The Liberals are broke and in dissaray with or without new leader. Harper moves an election batalion in Quebec to make sure Duceppe’s lying ass is not free reign like last election.
    9- Conservatives win a majority. Layton happy Liberals are all but dead by now.
    Conclusion:
    Who says Harper is in damage control right now? The man is the Bobby Fisher of Canadian politics: A chess master.
    The so called “Coup” is being remotly controlled by the PMO and who knows, Jack might be part of it too for obviously different long term reasons.

  41. To be partners with a party that wants to not only destroy our country but don’t respect the singing of our anthem or respect our Queen.
    Please help their followers see the light.
    This kind of stuff only happens in Third World Countries.
    We have a GG who is a rep of the Queen or is supposed to be.

  42. It is also time for us to reconsider what happened in 1982.
    That icon of Liberal “exactitude” Mr Pierre Trudeau was apparently not too fond of the fact that the House of Lords in the UK had some sort of constitutional hold over his “Big Plan”. So he up and “patriated” the consitution. I guess he didn’t like the fact that strictly speaking, the House of Lords had to approve of all that he did, in Her Majesty’s name.
    So why aren’t we in the West doing the same thing? I mean if Ontario and Quebec have to be convinced to vote for our interests, isn’t it time we patriated the Western Constitution? More to the point, did we in the West actually ever have a referendum on whether we accepted Mr Trudeau’s personal replacement of the BNA Act? Seriously. Did we? I am not up on the constitutional wrangling that went down, back when Canada didn’t even have a constitution.
    So let’s begin patriating the Western Constitution. A shadow Constitution, if you will. Damn, folks, history is being made right here!

  44. I am not sure that separation should be the first thought. Definitely start organizing but presented as only a last resort.
    Letter writing, Provincial Premiers intervention, peaceful protests at Parliament and federal offices, shutting down highways/railroads, worker strikes, etc. are all alternatives.
    I am as disgusted as anyone at this attempt to govern without a plan or leader approved by voters. I think it will bite them in their own arse. First because of the backroom deal method used to circumvent a legitimate election. Secondly because sane liberal voters will not want the NDP or Bloc anywhere near the reins of power.
    If the coalition has a vision and plan to lead Canada then they should present it to be judged by voters. The certainly should not implement programs that they presented in the last election because those were rejected by voters. Those programs should not be given legitimacy by coalition that they could not win as separate parties.

  45. Where are our Premiers on this?
    I’d like to hear from AB, SK and BC about what a turd this coalition is for the economy.
    Where are our leaders as the commies try to sink everyone?

  46. molarmauler,
    You forgot MB. Please take Manitoba along with the rest of the West. We elected lots of conservatives too…

  47. Well, Kate, as you know, advice or an opinion is worth exactly what you pay for it and I offer mine for free.
    There’s always been lots of talk about Western Separation, never more than that. Any groups that have started attracted mostly single-issue or whacko types that keep reasonable people from associating with them. There is no current credible political leader in the West prepared to front a Separatist Party. Even if there were, the party would have to form a provincial government so that they could prepare a referendum question. The next Alberta, Saskatchewan or Manitoba elections are three years away, enough time to prepare a party to take power perhaps, but, by then the current crisis will be long past. B.C. goes to the polls in six months, not enough time to prepare.
    Finally, in order to move westerners to go for separation, the federal government would have to do something particularly horrendous, like attempt to strip provinces of resource ownership.
    So, to anyone from Atlantic Canada or Ontario outside the Golden Horseshoe who might read this, you can safely ignore the more excitable amongst our midst on this subject.

  48. Can’t get rid of the “WELFARE BUM QUEBEC” fast enough. bartinsky
    If we could get rid of WELFARE BUM FARM SUBSIDIES at the same time, sign me up.

  49. I lived in Ontario for the first 19 years of life and have been a proud Albertan for the past 25 years.
    I never thought I would ever say to Albertans – go ahead and separate – but I am advocating for it if in fact this coalition forms the next gov’t.
    You are all correct in your assessment. Ontario never gave a shit about the West and when I was being taught in school, the Westerner’s were just a bunch of hicks. That mantra hasn’t changed.
    However, when I moved here, I finally understood all the damage the East has done to the West.
    The question is, how long do we want to be the continual battered spouse who keeps taking the abuse no matter how vicious it becomes?

  50. Can’t help but think that this whole plot was put together in the summer, when the Libs+NDP > cPC. I also suspect that’s why we just went through an election and why dion didn’t resign.
    This is Chapter 2 folks.

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