155 Replies to “Western Separatists Are Doing The Happy Bum Dance Tonight”

  1. Too right. Don’t even want to be diplomatic about this one: The West Wants Out!(TM)

  2. Yep, this is the choice Ignatieff faces, temporary power and the legacy of western separatism, or doing the right thing and probably fracturing his party.
    In the grand scheme of things, it would be better to keep Canada together and fracture the Liberal Party, than vice versa.

  3. terrific!
    separatists on the left and separatists on the right.
    i knew it – the egg marketing board has hatched this up. the sky is falling!

  4. Viva la Separation!!!
    The west wants OUT!…………….No more Liberal knobs, No more Separatist Quebecois’s, NO more lefty trolls……….NO MORE ANN MURRY!

  5. I want most of Ontario and anybody from the Maritimes that loves us enough to ski! Do we keep the Olympics too?

  6. The Liberal campaign workers have been out in force on Canadian news sites’ comments sections. If they’re what the left has to offer, I don’t want to be part of that goon squad.
    I wonder if Jack Layton has any idea how fast his support out West can dry up? His has been our alternate party. Probably no more.

  7. this coalition government is a slap in the face to Western Canadians. My prediction? PM Dion rams through the Green Shaft by February 1.

  8. Time to get up to speed on the Clarity Act
    WHEREAS the government of any province of Canada is entitled to consult its population by referendum on any issue and is entitled to formulate the wording of its referendum question;
    WHEREAS the Supreme Court of Canada has determined that the result of a referendum on the secession of a province from Canada must be free of ambiguity both in terms of the question asked and in terms of the support it achieves if that result is to be taken as an expression of the democratic will that would give rise to an obligation to enter into negotiations that might lead to secession;…..
    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-31.8/index.html

  9. Thanks, Wilson. If we get the coalition as gov’t, the West should go to referendum.
    Where’s Rafe Mair when we need him?

  10. I grew up on REAL SEPARATISM; WESTERN SEPARATISM but here in Manitoba people don’t think it is an issue. Quebec has always cried wolf, but should the giant in the west be stirred to wrath, great will be this Dominion’s fall.

  12. Transplant Rose:
    The West has always been underestimated by Eastern Canada.
    Dion apparently sees himself as Prime Minister material, even after the thrashing he took in the election. He and Jack Layton are on a power trip.
    In my view, Chretien is behind this.

  13. OK, how soon can we hold the referendum? I can’t wait to mark SEPARATE on my ballot …
    Canada has never been a real country. It’s been a concept on paper that never managed to become reality. Time to be honest and cut our, er, their losses. Every single politician in Ottawa is a loser. It won’t work. Let’s go.

  14. If we go to referendum, I can see family members from Ontario packing up and moving out to BC, causing a slight tilting from East to West. Grapes of Real Wrath.

  15. chutzpahticular.. Ditto
    Toronto gang will bring the bucks west tho!(whats left before they can escape the iron curtain)

  18. From the Bourque’ster
    The Devil’s Pact
    Did Layton sell out Canada with his secret NDP-Bloc coalition deal ?
    Yes (2019) 78%
    No (511) 20%
    I don’t know (50) 2%
    Total Votes: 2580
    It appears that the coalition idea is gaining traction, on Canada’s soon to be snow ridden roads. NOT!
    A positively Faustian power broking bargain with the Bloc cut from the leftist cloth. But hey never say post-Marxists can’t get along when divvying up a few of Her Majesty’s Treasury Bucks.
    Because after all is said and done, it is all about the money folks.
    This should put HMCS Canada on a sure path to the separatist shoals in tough economic times. Stunningly poor optics for the Liberal party, the party trying to shed it’s Adscam image, climbing in bed with the Bloc, saying they are now the federalist option. Or more likely how to destroy the Liberal party in six months or probably less.
    An exciting time for a naked power grab, to be sure. But hey, someone has to “Save Canada”, from what we aren’t exactly sure.
    If we are saved from stupidity this would be a terrific start!
    So a coalition with 37 + 77 seats, backstopped 50 seats in the Bloc is going to stick a shiv into the 146 seat Conservatives. Or to use Scott Reid’s phrase ‘kill them dead’. Should be quite the show, more beer and popcorn please.
    So a smaller minority govt. is going to replace the existing larger minority govt. on the basis that a little bit of the federal lolly was going to be cut back in tough economic times.
    A coalition of two parties is tough enough, but three parties would be an inherently unstable political stew, likely to cause an electoral explosion in any case.
    Of course this coalition from Faust will last no longer than the damned to be hurled from the Pearly Gates into the proverbial lakes of electoral fire.
    Good luck with that coalition of Faust proposition, they will all surely need it.
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    Frankenstein Battalion
    2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
    Knecht Rupprecht Division
    Hans Corps
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North

  19. This whole western separatist thing is getting even more annoying than Quebec. You all need some cheese to go with that whine?
    Not happy with the country I love? Leave and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.

  20. I think too many people — not really here at SDA — are mistaking the Liberal death-rattle for some kind of ominous artillery fire.
    We’re hearing Elena Ceauscu, not Alexander the Great. Don’t buy the media BS. The Liberals are absolutely going to pay for their morally-rudderless machinations for years and years to come. It’s a character defect on the part of the party and it’s followers that they just don’t get it.
    What we’re seeing is kinda like some selfish git barging in the queue while making a disgusting greedy face. If you don’t know their identity, if you don’t know who they are or where they live, they can get away with it. But if it’s your neighbour or co-worker….they’re going to live with it. It’s going to be their problem, and they’re not going to have a say in that no matter how officiously or ignorantly they behave. They’ve got a long-term problem.
    On other sites I notice a lot of people are saying the putative argument that adding up up Liberal and BQ and NDP votes from the last election in effect validates the coalition, but think about it: how many BQ voters voted as they did in order to stop the Liberals? How many Liberal voters voted that way to stop the NDP? More than a few, huh? You can’t just add up everyone who voted for any one of the three prospective coalition parties and say that the sum total of those voters amounts to support for the coalition. IT’s pure bullshit, and yet that’s the media/insider line — that this whole thing is legitimate, and that it’s Stephen Harper’s fault.
    It’s not. What we’re seeing now is a desperate, illegitimate power-grab by desperate parties who are desperate for their own individual — not unified — reasons.
    The Liberals are going to wear this for years to come. It’s strangely satisfying to note that their oleaginous braintrust doesn’t grok this. They’re just presumptuous, desperate intruders trying to pull a fast one. This seriously isn’t going to work out for them over the long — 6 month, 1 year, two year — haul.
    No way. Vive la Harper! To the ramparts!

  21. Atlanticjim,
    that’s kind of the point.
    They’ll leave, and take the most vibrant, proposperous and free thinking part with them.
    Leaving a stagnant, nanny state with no economic engine to leach on for their socialist policies.
    I’m thinking being run by MP’s from a handful of ridings all concentrated in a few big eastern cities is pretty much a certain recipe for Western Seperation.

  22. Atlanic Jim,
    We won’t…put the CHEQUE in the mail and say, thankyou
    Maybe you should take the time to get to know your country instead of assume and judge…come and visit
    I lived in your neck of the woods can you say the same about mine? What a pip squeek!

  23. Yup. An Albertawan with one resource and one political party, completely in the thralls of American oil companies. Now there’s a plan for success.
    None of you have any right to call the Bloc traitors. They’re just one step ahead of you, but you’re all on the same page.
    Shame on Patels for saying Canada is nothing. That kind of talk just shows ignorance.

  24. AtlanticJim: You sound awfully cranky for such a happy, happy guy.
    Lotus Land just pulled up its drawbridge.

  25. Up next,
    our Eastern big city rulers will propose collectivisation of our farms.
    The prarie Ukrainians can eat saw dust bread (and each other if necessary) for old times sake.

  27. Mr Fisters,
    May I humbly ask you to suck rocks. There is no greater contributer to confederation than Alberta and the WEST in general.
    May I humbly remind you, that the REASON for the one party in Alberta, is the legacy of our esteemed PM Trudeau’s NEP.
    Go back to bed and sleep on it, Mr Fister!
    The west will separate with this coalition iron wall! Thanks Chump!

  28. But I thought Stephen Harper was playing 3 dimensional space chess while the other parties were playing checkers? UH OHZ!!!
    What a useless way to start governing… you’re given a stronger mandate and an incredibly weak opposition, and instead you resort to partisan games. It’s entertaining stuff, as this blog demonstrates, but it’s such a waste of time.
    All of our political parties disgust me.

  29. Let’s see, we have polititions who would love to bring down the government over a $1.95 handout from every voting Canadian, or try to take over the government with a mishmash king wanna bes. And now the CPC have already dropped the $1.95 cut that is obviously not enough. Never mind that the world financial markets are in turmoil but Canada is in better shape than most of the top 20 countries, the wanna bees have a better idea. As to what that is, nobody knows.
    Bottom line: Just how much is this Ottawa song and dance going to cost me and can I still use my Canadian passport out west?

  30. Gee, we may have to bust out the tanks after all and run over those Alberta traitors like prairie dogs, Tiananmen-style. Should be fun!

  31. Texas Canuck,
    Absolutely!
    Hoo boy,
    Grow UP! Go to work, the real big boys in Afganistan, will come home and take care of their own. Not you cowards!

  32. The only problem with our “happy bum dance”,is I can’t join because to many Easterners have their noses stuck up the Taliban Jacks bum.Yeah.I’m looking at you,AtlanticJim.I,as bec said come from the East.Ever been out West?

  33. I will move west as soon as the new nation firms up.
    I would hope that Preston Manning will be our first PM. I still think he is the finest politician this nation has seen in a generation.

  34. The west has put up with bigotry and bs for a very long time. I’m not sure how some on this board can blame them. Worse, call them traitors.
    The traitors, for your information are the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc. And those that support them.
    If these three parties believe that they can pull an undemocratic coup, then this country is over. Their only support is in Quebec and Toronto – Not Canada.
    If the west separates, I’ll be moving. And a lot of others will too.
    My world view is so dissimilar to these anti-democratic, rat filth parties and their supporters, that I have no choice.
    On top of that, what’s left of their economy will completely collapse into a socialist hell-hole. Who wants to be around for that?

  35. Many Westerners will be very angry about a coalition government that effectively disenfranchises them and in deposes the party they support. Separatism is a different animal entirely. It will require leadership from our provincial governments to come to fruition with a referendum.I suspect these governments will be very difficult to move to the place of holding a referendum.It would take a massive movement of public opinion to achieve that result. I do not really expect that to happen unless there is a blatant move to strip western wealth to fund the proposed massive spending to subsidize the deservedly dying industries of Ontario and Quebec. This is not impossible as that has been the eastern remedy since the west was settled. Milk the assets from the west to pay for Ontario and Quebec because of the lack of political power in western Canada.If that happens. I can see a real move to separate and one that unlike Quebec will succeed because it speaks to real issues, the future of Western Canada and its lack of a future within the failed construct that is Canada

  36. i know it feels good to talk about separation – when you’re the one who wants to separate. it’s a feel good thing. i’ve been listening to separtists make themselves feel good for what seems like forever. they’re foolish. they’re selfish. and they’re deluded. do you think this desperation stuff is catchy? does anybody believe gilles duceppe cut a deal with jack layton because he cares about western canada?
    they’re staggering around drunk on they’re own concoction and think it’s admirable – some kind of conflated and empowered nobility. i’ve seen this before and they usually wake up in their own puke.
    if anybody thinks western canada should separate because some left wingers in ottawa want to take a kick at the can – well why not? go ahead and devote your life to some marginalized political activity – you might even get a pension out of it.
    but you won’t get my country.

  37. I posted this on:
    http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=6104#comments
    ” … can you imagime Dion trying to reign in Layton and Duceppe and the horrendous legislation that might come?”
    This may seem harsh, yet this is why they SHOULD suceed in this. One of three things would happen before the voters get angry – like with the Meech Lake Accord – and demand an election.
    Fist; though, I do not know how – it might work. “Nuff said.
    Second; it will be such a diaster that they will be reduced to two seats like Brian’s Conservative government. I have more faith in this option. I also believe that Harper should not spend much time in Quebec – all Canada knows where they stand and do not deserve the time wasted on them – as well as Nfld’s Anybody But Conservatives ploy – though ABC actually stands for: “Always Back Conservatives” [another bloger came up with that one.]
    Third: Western Seperation will grow like weeds in the West, and unlike Quebec, they will do it. The only thing that saved Canada before was the Reform Party who said; “The West wants In” and this time it will be “The West wants Out” of Canada. The rules for seperation are already set up – for Quebec – and the same standards will apply to the West. The West will not be bought with their own money[tax dollar transfer payments from Alberta and Saskatchewan.] May this option never happen. Let’s see DeYawn and the LIEberals try to stop this movement because LIEberals are already hated in the West.
    This coalition is the worst thing that would happen to Canada – yet the blessing is that the Conservatives will have a majority, and the LIEberals and NDP will be like the Green Party.
    NOTE: I still think that Independant MP’s are important to our system – as long as they represent their voters.
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    SIDE NOTE: During the last election, wasn’t a tape recording released concerning a conservative comments concerning the “health” of a politicition? Now the tables are turned, and the NDP want to sue? Two standards here.
    By-the-way Harper should put back the proposed policy concerning the $1.95 per vote. HE SHOULD NOT BACK DOWN ON THIS – voters agree with that one. Show some backbone and do not comprimise, the Cons will win in this – as long as they do not make a deal with Quebec just to stay in power.

  38. Funny how it works with these eastern Canadian patriots, isn’t it? It’s OK for Quebec to be disgusted with liberal antics, it’s Ok for sleazy eastern politicians to subvert the democratic process…but when westerners stand up and want no part of their bullchit…why…that’s…that’s TREASON!!!!
    Treason is in the eye of the beholder, you liberal lickspittles.

  39. I posted this on:
    http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=6104#comments
    ” … can you imagime Dion trying to reign in Layton and Duceppe and the horrendous legislation that might come?”
    This may seem harsh, yet this is why they SHOULD suceed in this. One of three things would happen before the voters get angry – like with the Meech Lake Accord – and demand an election.
    Fist; though, I do not know how – it might work. “Nuff said.
    Second; it will be such a diaster that they will be reduced to two seats like Brian’s Conservative government. I have more faith in this option. I also believe that Harper should not spend much time in Quebec – all Canada knows where they stand and do not deserve the time wasted on them – as well as Nfld’s Anybody But Conservatives ploy – though ABC actually stands for: “Always Back Conservatives” [another bloger came up with that one.]
    Third: Western Seperation will grow like weeds in the West, and unlike Quebec, they will do it. The only thing that saved Canada before was the Reform Party who said; “The West wants In” and this time it will be “The West wants Out” of Canada. The rules for seperation are already set up – for Quebec – and the same standards will apply to the West. The West will not be bought with their own money[tax dollar transfer payments from Alberta and Saskatchewan.] May this option never happen. Let’s see DeYawn and the LIEberals try to stop this movement because LIEberals are already hated in the West.
    This coalition is the worst thing that would happen to Canada – yet the blessing is that the Conservatives will have a majority, and the LIEberals and NDP will be like the Green Party.
    NOTE: I still think that Independant MP’s are important to our system – as long as they represent their voters.
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    SIDE NOTE: During the last election, wasn’t a tape recording released concerning a conservative comments concerning the “health” of a politicition? Now the tables are turned, and the NDP want to sue? Two standards here.
    By-the-way Harper should put back the proposed policy concerning the $1.95 per vote. HE SHOULD NOT BACK DOWN ON THIS – voters agree with that one. Show some backbone and do not comprimise, the Cons will win in this – as long as they do not make a deal with Quebec just to stay in power.

  40. Hoo Boy I’m one of those that you want to run over only I’m in Saskatchewan not Alberta. Pretty tough talk. Can you walk the walk? Do you really think the armed forces will attack Westerners? Ha Ha you really are a piece of work.
    What you coalition people don’t understand is that you have in effect declared war on Western Canada. You think you can just replace an elected Conservative Prime Minister because you don’t like him? That’s all it is really, you don’t like him. Too fu*king bad. I do like Mr. Harper. I voted Conservative and I will not sit idly by while you and your ilk try to stage a coup against my P.M. I will walk the walk Hoo boy. Keep your head down.

  41. Gee, we may have to bust out the tanks after all and run over those Alberta traitors like prairie dogs, Tiananmen-style. Should be fun!
    Posted by: Hoo boy at December 1, 2008 6:29 AM
    Hoo boy, your ignorance is astounding. The West has the majority of Canada’s tanks. The Lord Strathcona’s Horse (RC) is Canada’s only heavy armoured Regiment.
    I think the more likely scenario if your talking civil war is that Central Canada gets transport planes and a single Brigade, the fighters in Cold Lake Alberta will compliment those tanks nicely, and the ones in Baggotville will be out of reach in the hands of les Quebecois.
    The only thing Ontario will have is a brigade of social programs, a division of bellyaching metrosexual eunuchs, and a mouthful of bad words.

  43. we need someone …kate.. to organize a .New flag of westren canada contest…..20.00 bucks on paypal to enter.. winner takes all..it would attract a lot of attention quickly and make a point..fun fun fun

  44. As an Ontario resident who has voted Conservative for decades and supported the party off and on financially, I am appalled with Harper. How could he, fresh off an election that delivered him a stronger mandate, lapse into political gamesmanship at a time of economic crisis? The prospect of a coalition government and western separatism would even be not a topic of discussion today if Harper had not been so dumb.
    During the election, he snatched a minority government from the jaws of a probable majority with his cultural funding cuts that angered Quebec and elevated the Blocheads. In a previous election he pissed off voters by suggesting Paul Martin somehow condoned kiddy porn.
    What is it with this supposedly bright guy, alleged to possess considerable political smarts, who shoots himself in the foot so often? Dammit, these lapses in judgement make him scary alright — to many of us who support his party and its ideas.
    It is not just the Liberals who need a new leader. The Conservatives need one too. How about Jim Prentice?

  45. Oh stuff it, JMD. Harper was right about cutting political parties off of gov’t funding. His budget was sound too.
    What you want is a liberal in a conservative suit. From my end of the country, one idiot socialist is as bad as the other.
    If any criticism of Harper is due – it is that he hasn’t gone far enough. This nation is still weak, stupid and arrogant. Or at least – the two provinces that run it are.

  47. I’m speaking as someone who has lived in BC for most of my life except for 6 months in California and 1 year in Toronto.
    I have never understood Eastern Canada’s love for Socialism. I for one would love to have the west separate and be a wealthy nation without a lot of socialists. At that point, Eastern Canada would turn into a poor banana republic, because they really have no resources. All their wealth relies on western Canada.

  48. I sent an e-mail to my MP David Anderson this morning suggesting that the PM prorogue Parliament by next Friday and not open the House until Jim Flaherty is prepared to bring in a full budget by the end of January. That would give the Finance Minister time to consult with all the stake-holders, give the PM time to sell his case to the country not to mention thwarting the highjacking or Parliament by the power-hungry whores on the left.

  49. JMD, stop drinking the kool-aid!
    This “crisis” was formulated in the back room between Taliban Jack bin Layton, Gilles Deceit, and Stephie DeYawn. You want political gamesmanship look no farther.
    As for the economic crisis what is it that the government has failed to do?
    You know of course that Canada has already stimulated its economy more per capita than the other nations of the world and has been doing so for years.
    You know that eliminating taxpayer subsidy (the vote extortion) is the right and democratic thing to do.
    When the Country falls on hard times the government always says that Canadians have to “tighten their belts”, well this is the first government I’ve seen that was leading by example in that respect.
    As for your comments about cuts to Quebec, aren’t you more than a little sick and tired of their extortion as well?
    Jim Prentise eh, well, now I see where you’re coming from. You’re one of those Red Torries, more mouse than man, a throwback to the progressive camp. Your message ain’t gonna fly here pal.

  50. The magic number was 86. Stornoway, baby.
    So we know politicians can do basic math. 86 trumps 77 everyday, in every way. Hey, 163 is even better.
    Quebec separatism is not what it used to be. All kidding aside, how does a have-not province win by leaving? Tough times just mean bigger Ottawa handouts.
    Looking at Labelle, Charest is cruising to a federalist majority. Marois is bye-bye. Duceppe can bequeath to Layton and Mulcair a whole new raison d’etre for the Bloc as part of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition.
    Liberals cannot openly associate with Les Autres. Layton has no qualms. But Libs cannot let the magic 86 happen, either. Thankfully, all can be blamed on Bully Harper.
    Either you jump on this NDP/Bloc bus or get run over.
    Unity leftist style. Harper used the grass roots to gain power, while the left has always know that government is The Power. Silly conservative wabbits, back to eating grass!
    Warm up those Western Separatist hands, cause it is going to be a loooooong coooooold winter.

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