Too right. Don't even want to be diplomatic about this one: The West Wants Out!(TM)

Yep, this is the choice Ignatieff faces, temporary power and the legacy of western separatism, or doing the right thing and probably fracturing his party.

In the grand scheme of things, it would be better to keep Canada together and fracture the Liberal Party, than vice versa.

terrific!
separatists on the left and separatists on the right.
i knew it - the egg marketing board has hatched this up. the sky is falling!

Viva la Separation!!!

The west wants OUT!................No more Liberal knobs, No more Separatist Quebecois’s, NO more lefty trolls……….NO MORE ANN MURRY!

I want most of Ontario and anybody from the Maritimes that loves us enough to ski! Do we keep the Olympics too?

The Liberal campaign workers have been out in force on Canadian news sites' comments sections. If they're what the left has to offer, I don't want to be part of that goon squad.

I wonder if Jack Layton has any idea how fast his support out West can dry up? His has been our alternate party. Probably no more.

this coalition government is a slap in the face to Western Canadians. My prediction? PM Dion rams through the Green Shaft by February 1.

Time to get up to speed on the Clarity Act

WHEREAS the government of any province of Canada is entitled to consult its population by referendum on any issue and is entitled to formulate the wording of its referendum question;

WHEREAS the Supreme Court of Canada has determined that the result of a referendum on the secession of a province from Canada must be free of ambiguity both in terms of the question asked and in terms of the support it achieves if that result is to be taken as an expression of the democratic will that would give rise to an obligation to enter into negotiations that might lead to secession;.....

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-31.8/index.html

Thanks, Wilson. If we get the coalition as gov't, the West should go to referendum.
Where's Rafe Mair when we need him?

I grew up on REAL SEPARATISM; WESTERN SEPARATISM but here in Manitoba people don’t think it is an issue. Quebec has always cried wolf, but should the giant in the west be stirred to wrath, great will be this Dominion's fall.

Transplant Rose.....

THE GIANT HAS INDEED BEEN STIRRED....Violently angry!

Transplant Rose:

The West has always been underestimated by Eastern Canada.

Dion apparently sees himself as Prime Minister material, even after the thrashing he took in the election. He and Jack Layton are on a power trip.

In my view, Chretien is behind this.

OK, how soon can we hold the referendum? I can't wait to mark SEPARATE on my ballot ...

Canada has never been a real country. It's been a concept on paper that never managed to become reality. Time to be honest and cut our, er, their losses. Every single politician in Ottawa is a loser. It won't work. Let's go.

If we go to referendum, I can see family members from Ontario packing up and moving out to BC, causing a slight tilting from East to West. Grapes of Real Wrath.

chutzpahticular.. Ditto

Toronto gang will bring the bucks west tho!(whats left before they can escape the iron curtain)

I think the alignment is quite amazing. just the colour scheme is reversed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

the border has always been drawn in the wrong orientation.

while Im on about colour.

expect a green tax on the west to pay the bloc in quebec directly.

From the Bourque'ster

The Devil's Pact

Did Layton sell out Canada with his secret NDP-Bloc coalition deal ?
Yes (2019) 78%
No (511) 20%
I don't know (50) 2%

Total Votes: 2580

It appears that the coalition idea is gaining traction, on Canada's soon to be snow ridden roads. NOT!

A positively Faustian power broking bargain with the Bloc cut from the leftist cloth. But hey never say post-Marxists can't get along when divvying up a few of Her Majesty's Treasury Bucks.
Because after all is said and done, it is all about the money folks.

This should put HMCS Canada on a sure path to the separatist shoals in tough economic times. Stunningly poor optics for the Liberal party, the party trying to shed it's Adscam image, climbing in bed with the Bloc, saying they are now the federalist option. Or more likely how to destroy the Liberal party in six months or probably less.

An exciting time for a naked power grab, to be sure. But hey, someone has to "Save Canada", from what we aren't exactly sure.

If we are saved from stupidity this would be a terrific start!

So a coalition with 37 + 77 seats, backstopped 50 seats in the Bloc is going to stick a shiv into the 146 seat Conservatives. Or to use Scott Reid's phrase 'kill them dead'. Should be quite the show, more beer and popcorn please.

So a smaller minority govt. is going to replace the existing larger minority govt. on the basis that a little bit of the federal lolly was going to be cut back in tough economic times.

A coalition of two parties is tough enough, but three parties would be an inherently unstable political stew, likely to cause an electoral explosion in any case.

Of course this coalition from Faust will last no longer than the damned to be hurled from the Pearly Gates into the proverbial lakes of electoral fire.

Good luck with that coalition of Faust proposition, they will all surely need it.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North

This whole western separatist thing is getting even more annoying than Quebec. You all need some cheese to go with that whine?

Not happy with the country I love? Leave and don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.

I think too many people -- not really here at SDA -- are mistaking the Liberal death-rattle for some kind of ominous artillery fire.

We're hearing Elena Ceauscu, not Alexander the Great. Don't buy the media BS. The Liberals are absolutely going to pay for their morally-rudderless machinations for years and years to come. It's a character defect on the part of the party and it's followers that they just don't get it.

What we're seeing is kinda like some selfish git barging in the queue while making a disgusting greedy face. If you don't know their identity, if you don't know who they are or where they live, they can get away with it. But if it's your neighbour or co-worker....they're going to live with it. It's going to be their problem, and they're not going to have a say in that no matter how officiously or ignorantly they behave. They've got a long-term problem.

On other sites I notice a lot of people are saying the putative argument that adding up up Liberal and BQ and NDP votes from the last election in effect validates the coalition, but think about it: how many BQ voters voted as they did in order to stop the Liberals? How many Liberal voters voted that way to stop the NDP? More than a few, huh? You can't just add up everyone who voted for any one of the three prospective coalition parties and say that the sum total of those voters amounts to support for the coalition. IT's pure bullshit, and yet that's the media/insider line -- that this whole thing is legitimate, and that it's Stephen Harper's fault.

It's not. What we're seeing now is a desperate, illegitimate power-grab by desperate parties who are desperate for their own individual -- not unified -- reasons.

The Liberals are going to wear this for years to come. It's strangely satisfying to note that their oleaginous braintrust doesn't grok this. They're just presumptuous, desperate intruders trying to pull a fast one. This seriously isn't going to work out for them over the long -- 6 month, 1 year, two year -- haul.

No way. Vive la Harper! To the ramparts!

Atlanticjim,

that's kind of the point.

They'll leave, and take the most vibrant, proposperous and free thinking part with them.

Leaving a stagnant, nanny state with no economic engine to leach on for their socialist policies.

I'm thinking being run by MP's from a handful of ridings all concentrated in a few big eastern cities is pretty much a certain recipe for Western Seperation.

Atlanic Jim,

We won't...put the CHEQUE in the mail and say, thankyou

Maybe you should take the time to get to know your country instead of assume and judge...come and visit
I lived in your neck of the woods can you say the same about mine? What a pip squeek!

Yup. An Albertawan with one resource and one political party, completely in the thralls of American oil companies. Now there's a plan for success.
None of you have any right to call the Bloc traitors. They're just one step ahead of you, but you're all on the same page.
Shame on Patels for saying Canada is nothing. That kind of talk just shows ignorance.

AtlanticJim: You sound awfully cranky for such a happy, happy guy.

Lotus Land just pulled up its drawbridge.

Up next,

our Eastern big city rulers will propose collectivisation of our farms.

The prarie Ukrainians can eat saw dust bread (and each other if necessary) for old times sake.

So, when are you guys going to start flying planes into buildings?

Mr Fisters,

May I humbly ask you to suck rocks. There is no greater contributer to confederation than Alberta and the WEST in general.
May I humbly remind you, that the REASON for the one party in Alberta, is the legacy of our esteemed PM Trudeau's NEP.
Go back to bed and sleep on it, Mr Fister!

The west will separate with this coalition iron wall! Thanks Chump!

But I thought Stephen Harper was playing 3 dimensional space chess while the other parties were playing checkers? UH OHZ!!!

What a useless way to start governing... you're given a stronger mandate and an incredibly weak opposition, and instead you resort to partisan games. It's entertaining stuff, as this blog demonstrates, but it's such a waste of time.

All of our political parties disgust me.

Let's see, we have polititions who would love to bring down the government over a $1.95 handout from every voting Canadian, or try to take over the government with a mishmash king wanna bes. And now the CPC have already dropped the $1.95 cut that is obviously not enough. Never mind that the world financial markets are in turmoil but Canada is in better shape than most of the top 20 countries, the wanna bees have a better idea. As to what that is, nobody knows.

Bottom line: Just how much is this Ottawa song and dance going to cost me and can I still use my Canadian passport out west?

Gee, we may have to bust out the tanks after all and run over those Alberta traitors like prairie dogs, Tiananmen-style. Should be fun!

Texas Canuck,

Absolutely!

Hoo boy,
Grow UP! Go to work, the real big boys in Afganistan, will come home and take care of their own. Not you cowards!

The only problem with our "happy bum dance",is I can't join because to many Easterners have their noses stuck up the Taliban Jacks bum.Yeah.I'm looking at you,AtlanticJim.I,as bec said come from the East.Ever been out West?

I will move west as soon as the new nation firms up.

I would hope that Preston Manning will be our first PM. I still think he is the finest politician this nation has seen in a generation.

The west has put up with bigotry and bs for a very long time. I'm not sure how some on this board can blame them. Worse, call them traitors.

The traitors, for your information are the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc. And those that support them.

If these three parties believe that they can pull an undemocratic coup, then this country is over. Their only support is in Quebec and Toronto - Not Canada.

If the west separates, I'll be moving. And a lot of others will too.

My world view is so dissimilar to these anti-democratic, rat filth parties and their supporters, that I have no choice.

On top of that, what's left of their economy will completely collapse into a socialist hell-hole. Who wants to be around for that?

Many Westerners will be very angry about a coalition government that effectively disenfranchises them and in deposes the party they support. Separatism is a different animal entirely. It will require leadership from our provincial governments to come to fruition with a referendum.I suspect these governments will be very difficult to move to the place of holding a referendum.It would take a massive movement of public opinion to achieve that result. I do not really expect that to happen unless there is a blatant move to strip western wealth to fund the proposed massive spending to subsidize the deservedly dying industries of Ontario and Quebec. This is not impossible as that has been the eastern remedy since the west was settled. Milk the assets from the west to pay for Ontario and Quebec because of the lack of political power in western Canada.If that happens. I can see a real move to separate and one that unlike Quebec will succeed because it speaks to real issues, the future of Western Canada and its lack of a future within the failed construct that is Canada

i know it feels good to talk about separation - when you're the one who wants to separate. it's a feel good thing. i've been listening to separtists make themselves feel good for what seems like forever. they're foolish. they're selfish. and they're deluded. do you think this desperation stuff is catchy? does anybody believe gilles duceppe cut a deal with jack layton because he cares about western canada?

they're staggering around drunk on they're own concoction and think it's admirable - some kind of conflated and empowered nobility. i've seen this before and they usually wake up in their own puke.

if anybody thinks western canada should separate because some left wingers in ottawa want to take a kick at the can - well why not? go ahead and devote your life to some marginalized political activity - you might even get a pension out of it.

but you won't get my country.

I posted this on:

http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=6104#comments

” … can you imagime Dion trying to reign in Layton and Duceppe and the horrendous legislation that might come?”

This may seem harsh, yet this is why they SHOULD suceed in this. One of three things would happen before the voters get angry - like with the Meech Lake Accord - and demand an election.

Fist; though, I do not know how - it might work. “Nuff said.

Second; it will be such a diaster that they will be reduced to two seats like Brian’s Conservative government. I have more faith in this option. I also believe that Harper should not spend much time in Quebec - all Canada knows where they stand and do not deserve the time wasted on them - as well as Nfld’s Anybody But Conservatives ploy - though ABC actually stands for: “Always Back Conservatives” [another bloger came up with that one.]

Third: Western Seperation will grow like weeds in the West, and unlike Quebec, they will do it. The only thing that saved Canada before was the Reform Party who said; “The West wants In” and this time it will be “The West wants Out” of Canada. The rules for seperation are already set up - for Quebec - and the same standards will apply to the West. The West will not be bought with their own money[tax dollar transfer payments from Alberta and Saskatchewan.] May this option never happen. Let’s see DeYawn and the LIEberals try to stop this movement because LIEberals are already hated in the West.

This coalition is the worst thing that would happen to Canada - yet the blessing is that the Conservatives will have a majority, and the LIEberals and NDP will be like the Green Party.

NOTE: I still think that Independant MP’s are important to our system - as long as they represent their voters.

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SIDE NOTE: During the last election, wasn't a tape recording released concerning a conservative comments concerning the "health" of a politicition? Now the tables are turned, and the NDP want to sue? Two standards here.

By-the-way Harper should put back the proposed policy concerning the $1.95 per vote. HE SHOULD NOT BACK DOWN ON THIS - voters agree with that one. Show some backbone and do not comprimise, the Cons will win in this - as long as they do not make a deal with Quebec just to stay in power.

Funny how it works with these eastern Canadian patriots, isn't it? It's OK for Quebec to be disgusted with liberal antics, it's Ok for sleazy eastern politicians to subvert the democratic process...but when westerners stand up and want no part of their bullchit...why...that's...that's TREASON!!!!

Treason is in the eye of the beholder, you liberal lickspittles.

I posted this on:

http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=6104#comments

” … can you imagime Dion trying to reign in Layton and Duceppe and the horrendous legislation that might come?”

This may seem harsh, yet this is why they SHOULD suceed in this. One of three things would happen before the voters get angry - like with the Meech Lake Accord - and demand an election.

Fist; though, I do not know how - it might work. “Nuff said.

Second; it will be such a diaster that they will be reduced to two seats like Brian’s Conservative government. I have more faith in this option. I also believe that Harper should not spend much time in Quebec - all Canada knows where they stand and do not deserve the time wasted on them - as well as Nfld’s Anybody But Conservatives ploy - though ABC actually stands for: “Always Back Conservatives” [another bloger came up with that one.]

Third: Western Seperation will grow like weeds in the West, and unlike Quebec, they will do it. The only thing that saved Canada before was the Reform Party who said; “The West wants In” and this time it will be “The West wants Out” of Canada. The rules for seperation are already set up - for Quebec - and the same standards will apply to the West. The West will not be bought with their own money[tax dollar transfer payments from Alberta and Saskatchewan.] May this option never happen. Let’s see DeYawn and the LIEberals try to stop this movement because LIEberals are already hated in the West.

This coalition is the worst thing that would happen to Canada - yet the blessing is that the Conservatives will have a majority, and the LIEberals and NDP will be like the Green Party.

NOTE: I still think that Independant MP’s are important to our system - as long as they represent their voters.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

SIDE NOTE: During the last election, wasn't a tape recording released concerning a conservative comments concerning the "health" of a politicition? Now the tables are turned, and the NDP want to sue? Two standards here.

By-the-way Harper should put back the proposed policy concerning the $1.95 per vote. HE SHOULD NOT BACK DOWN ON THIS - voters agree with that one. Show some backbone and do not comprimise, the Cons will win in this - as long as they do not make a deal with Quebec just to stay in power.

Hoo Boy I'm one of those that you want to run over only I'm in Saskatchewan not Alberta. Pretty tough talk. Can you walk the walk? Do you really think the armed forces will attack Westerners? Ha Ha you really are a piece of work.

What you coalition people don't understand is that you have in effect declared war on Western Canada. You think you can just replace an elected Conservative Prime Minister because you don't like him? That's all it is really, you don't like him. Too fu*king bad. I do like Mr. Harper. I voted Conservative and I will not sit idly by while you and your ilk try to stage a coup against my P.M. I will walk the walk Hoo boy. Keep your head down.

Gee, we may have to bust out the tanks after all and run over those Alberta traitors like prairie dogs, Tiananmen-style. Should be fun!
Posted by: Hoo boy at December 1, 2008 6:29 AM

Hoo boy, your ignorance is astounding. The West has the majority of Canada's tanks. The Lord Strathcona's Horse (RC) is Canada's only heavy armoured Regiment.

I think the more likely scenario if your talking civil war is that Central Canada gets transport planes and a single Brigade, the fighters in Cold Lake Alberta will compliment those tanks nicely, and the ones in Baggotville will be out of reach in the hands of les Quebecois.

The only thing Ontario will have is a brigade of social programs, a division of bellyaching metrosexual eunuchs, and a mouthful of bad words.

Atlantic jim doesnt speak for all atlantic canadians

we need someone ...kate.. to organize a .New flag of westren canada contest.....20.00 bucks on paypal to enter.. winner takes all..it would attract a lot of attention quickly and make a point..fun fun fun

As an Ontario resident who has voted Conservative for decades and supported the party off and on financially, I am appalled with Harper. How could he, fresh off an election that delivered him a stronger mandate, lapse into political gamesmanship at a time of economic crisis? The prospect of a coalition government and western separatism would even be not a topic of discussion today if Harper had not been so dumb.

During the election, he snatched a minority government from the jaws of a probable majority with his cultural funding cuts that angered Quebec and elevated the Blocheads. In a previous election he pissed off voters by suggesting Paul Martin somehow condoned kiddy porn.

What is it with this supposedly bright guy, alleged to possess considerable political smarts, who shoots himself in the foot so often? Dammit, these lapses in judgement make him scary alright -- to many of us who support his party and its ideas.

It is not just the Liberals who need a new leader. The Conservatives need one too. How about Jim Prentice?

Oh stuff it, JMD. Harper was right about cutting political parties off of gov't funding. His budget was sound too.

What you want is a liberal in a conservative suit. From my end of the country, one idiot socialist is as bad as the other.

If any criticism of Harper is due - it is that he hasn't gone far enough. This nation is still weak, stupid and arrogant. Or at least - the two provinces that run it are.

" VIVE L'ALBERTA LIBRE" !

I'm speaking as someone who has lived in BC for most of my life except for 6 months in California and 1 year in Toronto.

I have never understood Eastern Canada's love for Socialism. I for one would love to have the west separate and be a wealthy nation without a lot of socialists. At that point, Eastern Canada would turn into a poor banana republic, because they really have no resources. All their wealth relies on western Canada.

I sent an e-mail to my MP David Anderson this morning suggesting that the PM prorogue Parliament by next Friday and not open the House until Jim Flaherty is prepared to bring in a full budget by the end of January. That would give the Finance Minister time to consult with all the stake-holders, give the PM time to sell his case to the country not to mention thwarting the highjacking or Parliament by the power-hungry whores on the left.

JMD, stop drinking the kool-aid!

This "crisis" was formulated in the back room between Taliban Jack bin Layton, Gilles Deceit, and Stephie DeYawn. You want political gamesmanship look no farther.

As for the economic crisis what is it that the government has failed to do?

You know of course that Canada has already stimulated its economy more per capita than the other nations of the world and has been doing so for years.

You know that eliminating taxpayer subsidy (the vote extortion) is the right and democratic thing to do.

When the Country falls on hard times the government always says that Canadians have to "tighten their belts", well this is the first government I've seen that was leading by example in that respect.

As for your comments about cuts to Quebec, aren't you more than a little sick and tired of their extortion as well?

Jim Prentise eh, well, now I see where you're coming from. You're one of those Red Torries, more mouse than man, a throwback to the progressive camp. Your message ain't gonna fly here pal.

The magic number was 86. Stornoway, baby.

So we know politicians can do basic math. 86 trumps 77 everyday, in every way. Hey, 163 is even better.

Quebec separatism is not what it used to be. All kidding aside, how does a have-not province win by leaving? Tough times just mean bigger Ottawa handouts.

Looking at Labelle, Charest is cruising to a federalist majority. Marois is bye-bye. Duceppe can bequeath to Layton and Mulcair a whole new raison d'etre for the Bloc as part of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.

Liberals cannot openly associate with Les Autres. Layton has no qualms. But Libs cannot let the magic 86 happen, either. Thankfully, all can be blamed on Bully Harper.

Either you jump on this NDP/Bloc bus or get run over.

Unity leftist style. Harper used the grass roots to gain power, while the left has always know that government is The Power. Silly conservative wabbits, back to eating grass!

Warm up those Western Separatist hands, cause it is going to be a loooooong coooooold winter.

And sorry to hog the board, but there is a poll going horribly wrong at the Tranna Star right now...

TODAY'S POLL
Do think a Liberal-NDP coalition with Bloc support would lead to good government?

Yes
No
Don't know
Results | Past Polls
Read the story and comment

JMD: ... if a cultural funding cut is enough to lose votes in Quebec after all of Harper's shameless suck-up to Quebec, then the frogs have got to go. Harper's mistake was not made in the election nor was it made this past week, it was made during the past years in his shameless sucking up to Canada's biggest parasitic and undeserving member ... Quebec. Quebec is not Canadian ... it only takes, takes, takes and lives only to take ... Quebec is the mother of all leaches and Canada is the host.

Harper ignored Ontario ... battled with New Foundland ... and kissed Quebec's ass like some cheap whore. What did it gain him ... nothing. Had he put that much effort into Ontario he'd be leader of a massive majority to day. The Harper strategy toward Quebec was a massive blunder ... and now the country is in turmoil ... right in the middle of an economic crisis.

The only thing to come of this, is that the liberals and NDP have now shown their colours, and they are finished. The liberals are no longer the natural governing party, and with a fresh face in leadership (no matter how much I generally admire Harper), the CPC will get a massive majority.

If they don't, the West will be out. Unlike Quebec, the West has genuine grievances ... especially Alberta, and with Saskatchewan now part of the Western economic power base, a Western concept has huge economic potential ... unlike a Quebec concept where survival has always depended on draining Canada of funds … mosquitoes can’t live without a host.

And finally, this little episode shows us all what socialists are made of ... power, at any cost ... power, and only power.

Old guard liberals with any brain, must be utterly downcast ... this is what has become of Canada's greatest ever political machine … financially broke, led by numpties, and bumping uglies with seperatists.

Nice.

Time to prorogue and have an election after the budget. Worth every cent it costs.

Anybody selling Canadian stocks this morning? I am just so worried about my mother's RRSP, and my in-law's RRSPs. They took a huge beating last month, but at least Canada was still sound. Now what?

And as for western separation, please don't do it. It's not helpful. The problem is not the east; it is the big cities. Our region of Ontario is one of the bluest in the country. So don't sound so arrogant against us.

It's not us.

It's Toronto.

If you leave, you're effectively saying Toronto can run what is left of Canada, and what is left of Canada will become a Chavez like state.

You may not care, but we do. Short of leaving, we can't do anything about it. And I would leave except for family.

Let's just let this one ride out and then punish the Liberals in the next election and get a Conservative majority. It's been done before, it will happen again.

But not if all of you keep talking about separation and throw your votes away.

Iggy knows they cant hide the puffin poo on this one. Borat Dion for a couple of months, him tainted for the next year and the lieberals will be out for good.

Iggy will be leading the abstainer charge out of the house while Borat stumbles and Boob Rae fumbles and Taliban Jack grumbles.

If the West separates, what happens to the Grey Cup?

Well, Jim, and all the rest of you western hard-asses, tell me where your truculence has gotten you.

I share the view of many here that political parties should not get taxpayer subsidies but there is a time and place for everything and Thursday's financial statement was neither. It is also nice to huff and puff and tell Quebec to get stuffed but be prepared to dwell in the land of minorities forever becaue that province has 75 seats.

It is about realpolitk and Harper's judgement seems seriously flawed. He is the architect of his own misfortunes. Conservative voters and the Canadian people deserve better than this.

Layton is in the process of committing Hari Kari. Duceppe has nothing to lose. He can demand big things for Quebec, his only interest in return for his support.
The dupes in this unworkable troika, the Liberals, who only want power, are the biggest fools of all.
They'll all be dancing to Duceppe's tune, they can't be viable without him. He really has the most power and the potential to ruin the country.

The big story may well be how Harper flushed out the weasels, rats and snakes. It could be a storyline for a comedic farce. Pied Piper Harper's Vermin cleanse?

HA I was just thinking , what would happen if the Alberta liberal party tried to do this provincially ?

NDP conference call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SVdcr8Vi_0

Although I have a healthy distaste for seperation..no more Maple Leafs. C'mon a new country has to have some standards. Can we have a yeild sign with bullet holes as our national symbol?

Western Independence stimulus call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1HGzRWsu28&feature=related

Can't get rid of the "WELFARE BUM QUEBEC" fast enough. Think of the potential of western Canada. No more 20 billion a year sucked out of Alberta, your next Sask! You good people next door are soon to find out what is like to be to productive, and have to give up billions so the lazy, dog breeding like, Quebecker. So they can continue in their welfare like lives, gimme more Anglo.

I will financially and physically support any western separation movement should this coalition gov't occur.

I don't think the people of the west need much more motivation. The opposition have all but said we were wrong and they know better.

Dion finally found his balls, of course, he was about to lose his welfare cheque. Now we know what inspires the left.

I will never vote again should this coalition occur.

Canada belongs to us all. Doesn't matter east, west, north or south - it is our land. It is a country worth fighting for.

JDM, as an Ontario resident who had to leave this country to understand the depth and breadth of the propaganda war waged against conservatism, I find your comment... silly.

Cutting tax dollar funding to political parties is a conservative idea. Cutting tax dollar funding for the arts is a conservative idea. You can tell because the of the level of uproar that's resulted. Not blowing billions of tax dollars on an ill-conceived "stimulus package", aka pork bonanza,is a conservative idea.

Harper ran on a promise of smaller government and conservative policies, because that is what the CPC stands for and what people everywhere except Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver want.

Three opposition parties are trying to topple the government not because they honestly think the economic plan is wrong, but in a cynical attempt to grab money to which they should not be entitled. They want to seize power because they can't win power in an election. They don't care about us, they care about themselves.

I'm not going to sit here and say Harper -does- care about us, because frankly I don't believe it and it doesn't matter anyway. If he cares or not, its irrelevant to the current action.

The difference between Harper and the other 3 b@st@rds is simple. Harper said what he was going to do, and now he's doing what he said. He's KEEPING HIS WORD. The rest of them are lying like a cheap Persian carpet.

Now, as to you Western Separatist types, be aware that The West pretty much starts at the edge of Toronto. Maybe about Burlington someplace and circles around to Pickering. Take a look at the electoral riding map, CPC pretty much surrounds Hogtown.

Anybody wants to propose we make Greater Toronto a city-state all its own and cut them loose from the rest of Canada, I'll sign on to that. See how they do without the rest of the country buying their subway tokens for 'em. Good luck Mayor Dave.

Same for Quebec. No more kid glove treatment, no more special deals, you get what everybody else gets or shove off. What a radical concept, eh?

However, may I suggest that an elected Senate with teeth will probably work better. Particularly if it is based on region, not population. That way the rest of us have some voice that isn't drowned out by the masses of @sses in Toronto and Montreal.

WESTERN SEPARATION --SOUND GOOD TO ME!!!!!
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Put out the word! Everyone who blogs here, supports the Conservatives and has a Conservative MP should e-mail him or her and demand that Harper prorogue Parliament rather than let the power-hungry bastards highjack Parliament. Demand that the House stay closed until Flaherty is ready to bring down a full budget.

If this power-hungry unholy alliance wants to bring down the government on that, Harper will have a strong argument to make with the GG on calling an election rather than allow a coalition government which would be propped up by party that wants to see the destruction of this country. The people spoke a bare 7 weeks ago and a coalition involving the Bloq was not what they voted for!

The sad state of this all is that it is not Ontario or even Toronto that want to make the coalition junta but those who mostly live in the east that feel they are "entitled" to everything. Heck, I even have friends and family in GTA but for every sane person who works hard for their wages, there are a couple of latte sipping or bingo halling idiots who are looking for more basketball courts, grants, subsities or union jobs. Sometimes reality bites.

Here in Halifax, the paper has front page story on lobster fishermen who are not getting the prices they expected for their catch due to soft world markets. The words weren't there but the way the story was written you can see "me too" for the next bailout/stimulus plan.

The difference in the idea of Western separation and Quebec is that the west will do it on the basis of self reliance,economic strenght and common sense as opposed to Quebec's 30 plus years of appeased temper trantrums.
My husband was born in Regina,oldest son lives in Calgary, our soon to graduate from unniversity other 2 children already plan to pursue careers out west, sounds like a good time to move to me.

Another option would be to join our neighbours to the south. And we have a standing invitation.

From the U.S. Articles of Confederation:

http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html#Article11

According to National Post Iggy is on board b/c he will get to be the PM. So much for the poisoned chalice of alligning with the separatists we read about. Anything for power. Idiots.

I hear and understand the arguments for an independent West but I want to give Canada every chance to do the right thing. It will be interesting to see what the polls reveal as the week goes on. If there is a strong (50% plus) opinion that what the troika of bandits are planning is unacceptable then Harper should head them off at the pass by proroguing parliament.

If this axis of idiots wants to persue their plan of ambition Westerners will look at it as an Eastern power grab, which it most certainly is. Just look at where their seats are. That will fan the flames of Western separatism that just might turn into a wild fire.

Can't steal any money where the lieberals are right now, they will do anything to get back power where they can start stealing money again. Once a theif....

Perhaps it is too late for me. I am nearly 60 and would find it hard to get a job, but in the words of Horace Greeley "Go west young man"
If this coalition happens there will be no future for Canada for there will be no Canada.
To the people in the west I say goodbye and good luck. Watch your immigration carefully. No sense going it alone if you take the very people who destroyed the country in the first place.

Perhaps it is too late for me. I am nearly 60 and would find it hard to get a job, but in the words of Horace Greeley "Go west young man"
If this coalition happens there will be no future for Canada for there will be no Canada.
To the people in the west I say goodbye and good luck. Watch your immigration carefully. No sense going it alone if you take the very people who destroyed the country in the first place.

A new National Socialist Party seizing power from an elected government...

And people say Bush "stole" the election in 2000.

Cheer up, atlanticjim. It's the start of a new month so I'm sure your pogey cheque will be in the mailbox soon. (But ask yourself if it'll be there after the West leaves.)

The Libs and ND's have essentially become one leftist party, the pact is for 2.5 years according to MSM.

Only the conspirators know what the Bloc has been promised.

Hopefully the GG will call for new elections should the Harper government be defeated after they have presented their budget in January.

However should the GG acceed to their wishes, Canada will immediately be governed by communists, plain and simple for two and a half years.

In that time Canada will be a communist country with an economy similar to most third world countries.

The western provinces should make plans now to counter the threat the three communist conspirators pose.
Look out oil sands Taliban Jack will shut you down as soon as he can.
And he will.
I live in Ontario, but even at my age I will relocate, I refuse to live under communism, and that is exactly where these three conspirators are taking Canada.

Largs: It is definitely not too late for you. You would be amazed at the number of "older" workers finding well paying jobs here in Alberta. Not enough young folk around.

Personally I am torn. I love Canada but hate the usurption of power with the forming of a coalition of unfriendly allies. Does not bode well for Canada and looks down right dangerous for western Canada.

So anybody know of regional chapters of a Western Separation movement? It's time to cut the cr@p, and start the ball rolling. I am constantly amazed at how productive the THREAT of separation has been for Quebec. Time for us out West to enjoy the same kind of leverage.

And that leverage isn't going to happen without getting a party started, or at least a movement, with regular membership drives... That way we are well positioned to take advantage of the next constitutional crisis.

MY DREAM COMING TRUE?

TIME TO FIRE UP thewestwantsout.com or ca ?????

Now may be the time for the steel nosed approach.

Well, looking at this rationally, a good case can be made for separation, should this coalition occur. I thought about this on the weekend, talked to people, and have come to the conclusion that it just won't happen. As good as it could be, this is still the province that the NDP is the natural governing party of. Lethargy has set in in Alberta, Manitoba and BC never really had an appetite for it.

For now, the only option is to wait it out, and punish the Liberals and NDP later, as ShielaG says above.

Over the last 20 years I have been advocating the West should get out,20 years, hell, the last 40. Now is the time, it's those numbers that I have been harping about, sooner or later they bring you down. The West will never have it's place in the world with those carpet bagging ELB's, eastern liberal bastards/bitches, and amphibious socialist leeches in Quebec continually sucking us dry. If this is indeed true and not just another ruse now is the time to fight, anyway you have to, anyway. Is this the barrel of a gun issue I have been talking about???

It's high time to begin building a movement that will gain traction (you gotta start small) and can build in time to a credible threat. Note, I agree, it's not like this is going to happen overnight. But I am done listening to the ninnies who say it'll never happen.

It is precisely that kind of thinking, and attitude, that got the West into this predicament in the first place. Look, maybe the naysayers are right, and they'll easily beat the movement down. But my reply is "Why make it easy for them?"

The point is, if you demand that Toronto and Ottawa take us seriously, then there is much work to do. Clearly trying to punish the enemy in the polls isn't working (Ontario and Quebec have a de facto veto over Western interests!) Thus there are only two forms of resistance left: electoral process resistance, and "extra-curricular". Electoral process resistance begins with seriously building a party/movement, and getting candidates into ridings. A parallel activity would be slowly preparing the West for the inevitable referendum. And yes, Cretin you dumb f&*k, the question will be very clear: "Do you want the leftwing f**ktards in the East to be outta your lives permanently?" or words to that effect.

On the extra-curricular front I have long advocated tax rebellions, (no taxation without representation, I believe that applies to an unelected Lib/NDP/Bloc coalition) as well as general non-cooperation with so-called "federal" authorities.

These two strategies needn't be mutually exclusive. In fact it is a combination of the above that is most likely to lead to the kind of self-determination the West is entitled to. Now whether that self-determination is within Canada, or without, is largely up to 'those others' out East.

I'd prefer to see the Liberals and NDP recognise the will of the West, and suck up the funding cuts they are so fond of foisting on everyone else, but the reality is, the West just doesn't count, and really why should Toronto take you seriously? It's not like you have a viable separatist movement up and running!

There will be 'incalculable consequences', I tell ya.

I mean, why wouldn't a Toronto ex-city councilor not see the big picture?

Now excuse me while I go and laugh my damn head off.

OK, so for all those fans of Canada out there: if the West really is free, how come we have to convince Quebec and Ontario to vote for the party that'll look out for our interests? That ain't freedom folks. It's Colonialism.

I have never been so outraged in my life. I have never been a proponent of Western Separation however I am now convinced it would be economic suicide to stay within Canada.
The West would forever be condemned to political obscurity if these sleazy thugs succeed and our economies would be crushed by the Eastern Socialists who hate our self reliant nature and resulting success.
To be governed by a party like the Bloc who hate us and would want to see us obliterated economically and politically would be unbearable.
By separating we would be doing nothing more than acting to protect ourselves and I believe we have a responsibility to do so for our future and our children's future.

Difference between Quebec separation and Western Separation is the West can afford to separate. Lived through the Peterson-Rae accord. Nothing but tax increases. Still in Ontario but may have to move out west to help you vote yes. Enough of these Liberal-NDP stooges

My take:(By sequence of events)

1- The bombs have been dropped since Economic statement. The MSM is in a coverage frenzy assuring public awareness and debate/word of mouth communication at water coolers and kitchen tables with many opinion polls to come. The sleeping Canucks are again shaken out of slumber since last October's election:
> The $1.95 per vote per year is now out there. More than 80% of Canucks unsurprizingly unaware until now. Will not go well with majority of electorate.
> The public servant unions already backing Opposition coalition to insure pay increases and strike bans not jeopardized. Majority struggling private sector taxpayers will not be amused.
> Opposition coalition with secret NDP tape recording that plans were already set up to overthrow government even prior to economic statement will not go well with electorate fresh out of $300,000,000 election.
> Raging debate if opposition coalision would be accepted by GG with ex separatist ties in Quebec is a huge liability in her decision process. Again, electorate, especially new money/influencial/western Canadians in uproar threatening unity if coalision is accepted by GG.

2-60% chance the three stooges back down before Friday dec 5 and accept to wait for formal Flaherty budget if scheduled to be tabled Jan 27/sign off on pass weekend modified economic statement for now.

OR:

3-40% chance Harper prorogues House until jan. 27 to present budget (Note that Obama would have started to throw money bags at GM and others by then or not: TBD. Logically Canada has to wait for US to make move/Canada is pure export Nation...Too bad MSM not saying this).

4-Budget is tabled Jan.27 with only stimulus plan the already budgeted 30 billion infrastructure fix. Harper targets to still avoid deficit by reigning in expenses including cut to public funding of political parties, ban on strikes by public servants 'till 2011/hourly increase caps like proposed in economic statement and other deficit fighting initiatives (Hopefully, Obama will propose similar cut objectives to US government giving Harper ammunition for budget acceptance by electorate).

5- Budget is defeated by Opposition.

6- GG decides on election rather than controversial opposition coalision government.

7- Electorate is furious and well informed of the issues (See #1 above).

8- Harper's election machine is still the best lubed of the four. The Liberals are broke and in dissaray with or without new leader. Harper moves an election batalion in Quebec to make sure Duceppe's lying ass is not free reign like last election.

9- Conservatives win a majority. Layton happy Liberals are all but dead by now.

Conclusion:
Who says Harper is in damage control right now? The man is the Bobby Fisher of Canadian politics: A chess master.
The so called "Coup" is being remotly controlled by the PMO and who knows, Jack might be part of it too for obviously different long term reasons.

To be partners with a party that wants to not only destroy our country but don't respect the singing of our anthem or respect our Queen.
Please help their followers see the light.
This kind of stuff only happens in Third World Countries.
We have a GG who is a rep of the Queen or is supposed to be.

It is also time for us to reconsider what happened in 1982.

That icon of Liberal "exactitude" Mr Pierre Trudeau was apparently not too fond of the fact that the House of Lords in the UK had some sort of constitutional hold over his "Big Plan". So he up and "patriated" the consitution. I guess he didn't like the fact that strictly speaking, the House of Lords had to approve of all that he did, in Her Majesty's name.

So why aren't we in the West doing the same thing? I mean if Ontario and Quebec have to be convinced to vote for our interests, isn't it time we patriated the Western Constitution? More to the point, did we in the West actually ever have a referendum on whether we accepted Mr Trudeau's personal replacement of the BNA Act? Seriously. Did we? I am not up on the constitutional wrangling that went down, back when Canada didn't even have a constitution.

So let's begin patriating the Western Constitution. A shadow Constitution, if you will. Damn, folks, history is being made right here!

Please just go already! We'll even help pack your bags.

I am not sure that separation should be the first thought. Definitely start organizing but presented as only a last resort.

Letter writing, Provincial Premiers intervention, peaceful protests at Parliament and federal offices, shutting down highways/railroads, worker strikes, etc. are all alternatives.

I am as disgusted as anyone at this attempt to govern without a plan or leader approved by voters. I think it will bite them in their own arse. First because of the backroom deal method used to circumvent a legitimate election. Secondly because sane liberal voters will not want the NDP or Bloc anywhere near the reins of power.

If the coalition has a vision and plan to lead Canada then they should present it to be judged by voters. The certainly should not implement programs that they presented in the last election because those were rejected by voters. Those programs should not be given legitimacy by coalition that they could not win as separate parties.

Where are our Premiers on this?
I'd like to hear from AB, SK and BC about what a turd this coalition is for the economy.
Where are our leaders as the commies try to sink everyone?

molarmauler,

You forgot MB. Please take Manitoba along with the rest of the West. We elected lots of conservatives too...

Well, Kate, as you know, advice or an opinion is worth exactly what you pay for it and I offer mine for free.

There's always been lots of talk about Western Separation, never more than that. Any groups that have started attracted mostly single-issue or whacko types that keep reasonable people from associating with them. There is no current credible political leader in the West prepared to front a Separatist Party. Even if there were, the party would have to form a provincial government so that they could prepare a referendum question. The next Alberta, Saskatchewan or Manitoba elections are three years away, enough time to prepare a party to take power perhaps, but, by then the current crisis will be long past. B.C. goes to the polls in six months, not enough time to prepare.
Finally, in order to move westerners to go for separation, the federal government would have to do something particularly horrendous, like attempt to strip provinces of resource ownership.

So, to anyone from Atlantic Canada or Ontario outside the Golden Horseshoe who might read this, you can safely ignore the more excitable amongst our midst on this subject.

Can't get rid of the "WELFARE BUM QUEBEC" fast enough. bartinsky

If we could get rid of WELFARE BUM FARM SUBSIDIES at the same time, sign me up.

I lived in Ontario for the first 19 years of life and have been a proud Albertan for the past 25 years.

I never thought I would ever say to Albertans - go ahead and separate - but I am advocating for it if in fact this coalition forms the next gov't.

You are all correct in your assessment. Ontario never gave a shit about the West and when I was being taught in school, the Westerner's were just a bunch of hicks. That mantra hasn't changed.

However, when I moved here, I finally understood all the damage the East has done to the West.

The question is, how long do we want to be the continual battered spouse who keeps taking the abuse no matter how vicious it becomes?

Can't help but think that this whole plot was put together in the summer, when the Libs+NDP > cPC. I also suspect that's why we just went through an election and why dion didn't resign.

This is Chapter 2 folks.

Right Honorable Terry Tory @ 10:52,

great analysis. Maybe a higher probability than 60% for first option IMHO, because it's closer to the Canadian way.

Here's the Star URL to go and vote. I went there and it said that I had already voted, though frankly I don't remember when. It's 57% to 39% for the good guys, NO to the coalition.

http://www.thestar.com/#

If government is highjacked by Eastern Canada the only thing that needs to happen to start a powerful movement toward Western separation is for a couple of CREDIBLE Western leaders to come forth and advocate we separate. If the right people step forward I will take a serious look at any credible proposal for independence and even be willing to pay higher taxes if that is what is needed to make separation viable.

terru tory - note that in your scenario, the legal leader of the Liberal Party would still be Dion. The Liberals wouldn't have met by January 27 to elect their new leader.

Or, are the Liberals really going to reject democracy in their own ranks and simply appoint rather than elect a new leader? Would that go well with the Liberal delegates, many of whom would NOT be for Ignatieff?

And, there's something rotten about a situation where a government, such as the proposed coalition, is not only not elected, but is held 'in power' by a political party, the Bloc, which is out of the electoral reach of the majority of Canadians.

That effectively means that the govt of Canada would be in the control, and only control, of one province. Quebec.

trusty tory - excellent analysis, by the way. Certainly, what this has done, is to put these issues in the public eye.

What the Coalition wants to do, is take power without an election, and then, raise taxes and use that money to bribe and manipulate special interest groups, ethnics, unions, to vote for them.

By the way, in an election in January-February, would the three parties, the NDP-Liberal-Bloc be presenting themselves as a coalition or as only themselves? Wouldn't the public be fearful of what they might decide to do, after an election that was focused on single parties - wouldn't the public be worried that they might then forgo the will of the people, and make backroom deals to coalesce and insist on governing?

"Please just go already! We'll even help pack your bags."

MW: Aw shucks, gawsh, uhyuhh, thanks! Oh, wait, he's just teasing us.

"So, to anyone from Atlantic Canada or Ontario outside the Golden Horseshoe who might read this, you can safely ignore the more excitable amongst our midst on this subject."

BJG, that is precisely the problem. Eastern Liberal social-engineers will continue to run roughshod over Western interests UNTIL there is a credible threat to the status quo! The way you get a credible threat is not by sitting on our arses moaning about there not being a credible threat to stop the Eastern juggernaut. We create the threat, which we hope will provide enough counterweight to Eastern voters.

Look, one of the charges leveled at Harper by Eastern gang-bangers (hey, if Robert Fife can call us knuckle-draggers...) is that he'd alienate Quebecers. I don't see anyone in the common public sphere (CPS) charging that Stephane Dion will alienate Western Separatists. Well unless and until we get a decent, widespread Western Separation party going, we will continue to suck the hind tit in Canada.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. The Eastern gangsters have framed the debate. They have created the country the way it is, and they control the politicking. I am merely proposing that we take the Liberal machine up on their offer: "threaten separation effectively, or we won't deal with you".

I agree Different Bob. There is no need to start a separation party and remove a provincial party.

I think Brad Wall is the best bet. Stelmach is too wishy washy.

Don't believe that all Ontarians are the same. My riding threw out Garth Turner and voted solidly Conservative. I can't stand what is happening in Ottawa. If I could do more for the Conservatives right now, I would. The Liberals and the NDP together - who is surprised? The Liberals are desperate to get back to their trough. But working with the Bloc? I hope that others in Canada see it for what I know it is - treason.

While keeping in mind the problem is the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal axis of evil, keep an open mind to taking the western half of Ontario with you.

I don't want to be on the wrong side of the boarder. All my kin are out west too. That would be wrong.

And it would mean being part of the leftard police state.

Have pity people!

Bring on the tanks!! Western Canadians eat tanks for breakfast and crap barbed wire!

Right Honorable Terry Tory @ 10:52,
'great analysis'. I sure hope your right.

I am not for western separation until it's the last resort. Saying that IMHO you could cripple the federal government and the bureaucratic system by just holding civil strikes, closing down the businesses, turning off the taps. They can't operate without money.

This just in from 660 News Calgary.

Tories discuss creating western "financial hub"

December 01, 2008 - 6:24 am
660 News Staff

Click here to find out more!

The Stelmech Tories are floating the idea of creating a western based financial hub, hoping to turn the province into a major global financial player.

The hub would cluster financial operations, as the province continues to look for ways to take financial clout away from eastern Canada.

The Finance Minister tells The Herald major banks in Toronto don't always understand the financial needs of the energy sector and it would be in the province's best interest to create it's own hub.

I digress from my last statement - Ed IS paying attention! First step folks ... first step.

Hoo boy take note: This Canadian soldier will sooner desert than "bust out the tanks" and run Albertans down "tiananmen style".

Actually, all we really need to do is burn toronto to the grownd and kick out Quebec. Harper has a solid majority otherwise (also burning QC is a feel-good option for the holiday season...)

OK bcf (is that of the same genus as blazingcatfur), you've convinced me - how do I join the new party?

"Western Separatists Are Doing The Happy Bum Dance Tonight"

Sure! I wouldn't mind dancing cheek to cheek with Kate!

Subprime Steve--the policies of W Bush and the ethics of Tricky Dick...You all must be so proud.

And shades of Grant Devine-proroguing parliament.

Two options: create one. (Which is not a bad idea to get things going. We in the West created Reform, and look what that finally ended up doing to the liberals!)

Second, we work within existing parties to help frame the debate in Western terms. Perhaps Big Ed will understand that it is not only in the finance sector that we are getting shafted, but really creating a new political paradigm in the Western portion of the country can help to create a more balanced political discourse. Assuming the Ontario-Quebec axis accepts the new realities. So I'm secretly daring Taliban Jack and Stephanie Dijon to "bring it down, man bring it all down!!" (with apologies to Michael Moore in "Team America: World Police").

I think we should all support any and every move that is designed to give Westerners more self-determination. Whether indirectly (through Ed's approach) or more directly (through grass-roots campaigning) or a happy combination of both. It starts with us. Right here in the blogosphere.

I am really keen to get discussion going on how a Western Self-Determination movement can be started, and not hijacked by utter cooks like Doug Christie.

I just started a Western Separatist Group on Facebook... if you believe in the cause please join. We need a voice, in the West and NOW!

I just started a Western Separatist Group on Fecebo*k... if you believe in the cause please join. We need a voice, in the West and NOW!

Warwick, I'm beginning to really like you. LOL

A Storm is coming

Thanks ;)

Consequently, if we really were allowed to burn toronto and quebec to the ground I'd go back to believing in Santa again. That'd be the best Christmas ever!

Maybe hope for some meteors and a comet or two... lol.

My closing comment, bcf, was directed as it was, partly because those Canadians are not the "Liberal Social Engineers" you refer to. They are people who want the best for Canada, as do most Westerners.
Besides, Conservatives are winning the fight for Canada. Look at the last election results. The CPC elected more MP's than the Libs in 7 provinces, including Ontario; more than the ND's in 8. ND support is a mile wide and an inch deep, the Libs are Pretty much reduced to Toronto and Montreal city strongholds. It's been a long fight and it has a ways to go. As much as we want the fight to end like the Little Big Horn in our favour, we have to slug it out like Guadalcanal. Hopefully, one more federal election.
If this coalition that the libs/ND are proposing comes to pass, 73% of their MP's will be from Ontario (Toronto),and Quebec. People in St. John's, Moncton, Sudbury and even Vancouver are going to notice that. Might be the atomic bomb we've been looking for.

But, hey, that's my opinion. And I already told you how much you have to pay for it.

So what makes an seditious Alberta/Western separatist any better than a Quebec Separatist? They look the same to me. The Quebec separatists just know how to make good cheese.
Stop whining, it’s called democracy.

This is a story that needs legs!!! I personally will be sending this thread to our constituency president (Conservative) and many others. I sent the idea of western separation up as a trial balloon this morning while making the rounds, the store, the post office etc. and the response was great!! I live in the riding of BC Southern Interior, which currently has a NDP MP but was solidly REFORM, and people are excited about the threat of western separation.

Mr. Harper, don't play their game. We got your back and if the eastern elitists want our tax dollars and our resources they better play by our rules or else were gonna divide and conquer again.

To the rest of you reading this and to those that are of similar mind, spread the word. Let your MP know of this potential for separation and the MSM in your local riding.

Time for some Grassroots politics. Ye Ha!!!

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Just the fact that people such as I are perusing this site and posting comments should give the three amigos reason to rethink their actions. Pretty calm about the whole government and election thing - until this latest BS.

I have never donated to a political party or movement in the past. Now I am thinking about it. Have no fear, that money won't go to any of the left wing idiots.

Perhaps the difference between separatist Quebecois and separatist Westerners is this: the former demanded to be treated differently because of their ancestry and language and threatened to leave the country if they weren't placated with a never-ending flow of tax money - and the latter are fed up with being the cash cow in the first arrangement.

But other than that, they're exactly the same./sarc

The Quebec model ie- Western Block Party can be used, but at provincial level, to prepare way for negotiations about reducing transfer payments, collecting ALL our own income taxes, and running our own pension program (sound familiar?), with full range of options, including separation referendum IAW Clarity Act.

As has been stated earlier the West, unlike Quebec, actually has the means to separate.

We will not, however, give up hope of remaining in Canada (maybe the next power grab coalition will give us the balance of power, sorry left sarcasm switch on). Our theme will be "separation if necessary, but not necessarily."

So, coalitionists, go for it; just don't say you weren't warned about the consequences. Is a naked power grab really worth this?

Oh, it is. OK.

So wait a second... the French are a bunch of whiny bitches trying to break up the country and because they can't always get what they want, but what about you guys?

Cripes... how's do you even put your pants on with so many knots in your panties?

So what makes an seditious Alberta/Western separatist any better than a Quebec Separatist? They look the same to me. The Quebec separatists just know how to make good cheese.
Stop whining, it’s called democracy.

Posted by: lib4life

Gee could it be two invasions. One by the English , the other by the RCMP? Than an economic rape by the East by you Trudeau worshippers. Called the NEP, that sent Canada into a deep recession. Naw. Maybe its the fact that our farmers go to jail for selling grain to Americans while Eastern farmers do not. Perish the thought.

Could it possibly be the fact for even using the same rails we where gouged for material goods from Ontario by outrageous prices while our resources where almost given away from carpetbaggers from the East sold cheap on those same rails. The crow rate. Not likely? Might it have something to do with Quebecers with a low population having more power per person than any other Canadian? Owning the very Bureaucracy from prejudiced one sided language bills. Surly not.

A Mandatory set amount of seats no matter how low the population in Quebec where the men are almost completely gay there going extinct.
Nope? Hum all those billions & billions sent to Ottawa than ended up in the coffers of the East. Upper & Lower Canada. Getting warm. Never having been given a dime even when in economic trouble. Hotter still. All the loans that have NEVER been paid back by the ingrates of the East. Getting Nova. Now you spit on our vote than call it Democracy. Your crooked government is immoral by a Western point of view . We would consider it to be illegal . So any Dion polity would be an outlaw regime, like a Mugabe one. Get it now?
referendum on separation is a must now for our very survival. For we know what the 3 jokers are up too . Pillaging the West yet again to support a car industry, that doing this very thing will produce vehicles no one has any money to buy. Are only a few highlights of treating fellow citizens like second class morons will get you.
I will not be a French slave Sir!!!

Quebec has done nothing but take from Canada. Alberta has done nothing but give. Yet who gets treated like scum? Who is called hillbillies? You have the audacity to ask why we are being forced to leave by thieves dressed as Toronto & Quebec Mp‘s!!!
Yours was one of the most jackass posts I have ever read. If nothing else it shows your utter ignorance of Canadian history or even politics.
Your support of this junta well in advance it now seems before the election, run by wasteful criminal-pampering douche bags is gonna fall on your heads like hot metal. Enjoy the bitter pie, its laced with the poison of self-indulgence. Westerners like me helped form the Reform party so this day would not come. Its on the East’s head not ours. We don’t bluff out West. That’s an eastern pastime. We have no time for it. Unlike you ,we have a destiny.
JMO

For those comparing Western Separatism with Quebec Separatism, bare in mind that one is receiver of largesse, the other donor of largesse.

Actually, the largesse is not given, simply taken by an Eastern clique that really doesn't give a d*mn about the "donor". The West has been quite clear about it and the eastern elite have not even bothered to poo-poo them; they just don't count.

If Canada still exists come next election, if this putsch goes down, there will be no NDP or Libs or Greens North and West of Toronto. Then you'll pay.

The Libs and Socialists are in a ship of fools and the Bloc is their Pied Piper. Hey, look ma, a mixed metaphor!

Let the hard work of separating form the leftwing f***tards begin. Bye Bye Libranos. Nice knowin' y'all.

I, too, cannot believe that this is happening in Canada. I watched the three stooges news conference and it seemed kind of "third world" to me. We just had an election and Layton is saying Harper's lost the confidence of the House and of the Canadian people. Come on Jack? Get your head out of your a**. Liberals and NDP will go down in a pile of smoke whenever we decide to do things democratically again. I would love to have the West seperate - and I can't believe I'm writing that! But this has really pissed me off!

Wake Up Western Canada, if this coalition goes as planned, the Bloc with 16.2 % of the popular vote will be running the COUNTRY and Quebec will get all they want

We need to think long and hard about this(separation), so we better start now.

the Eastern politicos had a choice:
Compromise with the CPC -a legitimate Canadian supporting party or...
Reject "working with" the above and conspire to grab power through a coalition backed by Quebec Separatists who have no love for Canada.

If the Liberals and the ND can sell out to the BQ they have indeed chosen power and the Quebec Separatists over the CPC and Canada, all the while flipping the bird to the vast majority of the West that voted for the CPC and the concept that the "West wants in" to Canada. This was a good faith election and Westerners were obviously duped out of their turn at the decision making table in favour of Quebec Separatists.
Therefore following that if this coup d'etat proceeds, it is obvious and ample evidence that political power is not to be shared with Westerners, and is better shared with Separatists from Quebec. At least Quebec is not a colony. The same cannot be said for Western Canada.

There is no more proof necessary to conclude that our place in "Canadian" history should be just that.
It is high time to place our Western values on the table and call it a day for this country. We have held our heads high but have been smacked around by the East in perpetuity. We have fought the good fight and have lost miserably. So, we have a choice now to go down the tubes such as what happened to Atlantic Canada as they entered Confederation and were the first to be duped out of their riches, or to take matters into our own hands and move forward to create and mold a better, more equitable nation. A nation that is self reliant, proud, prosperous and is not a colony to be abused by any other power.
It is time for Western Separation to begin in earnest.
As an Albertan I invite all Westerners to join in spirit and conviction against this 100+ year abuse.
Northern Ontario should indeed move to form their own movement and join along with Southern Ontario to kick Toronto to the curb.
I surmise that Canada could remain intact with an Ontario that does not include the 416.
Quebec will make the decision to give up or leave when and only when they can extort no more blood from the rock. It is time to call the bluff of Quebec as well as the T-O-M cabal.

I lived through the NEP and have witnessed the suicides of people in downtown Calgary caused by despair. That despair was exacted upon us by the LIBERALS under Trudeau and Chretien. Fool us once- shame on us.
This time we are aware and are powerful. This alone is a threat to the T-O-M and we see the desperation in their eyes: ANYTHING but allow the West to have a say.

I might start flying the Gadsden flag!

I might start flying the Gadsden flag!

this is so pathetic. Dion is prepared to sacrifice his party [ or whats left of them] just to be a Prime Minister for 6 months? Oh yah stephie your the man..

I guess PMSH really did have a hidden agenda, namely one to knee-cap the thieving, power hungry libs once & for all. And I'm talking about the abolition of the $1.95/vote welfare subsidy to the parties.

Taliban Jack, on the other hand, got it into his head that he could blackmail any sitting minority PM like he did Little Paulie, to push through his Marxist idealogy. The guy's totally delusional; he really believes the sh!t coming out of his pie-hole. And no matter how many times he blathers on about the New Dipstick Party understanding the plight of Canadians, almost every voter can see that BS for what it is.

But PMSH made a blunder though: He should never have backed down on scrapping the subsidy to the parties. He should have stayed the course, because the last election proved there was a ground-swell of support for the conservatives outside of the welfare states east of the Ontario border.

If the 3 Stooges do form government, with our separatiste GG's blessing, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and contribute to a Western Separation Party. I've had enough. My Canada can NEVER be governed by some jackass holding a French passport, propped up by a Peter Sellers clone from "I'm All Right Jack!"

What the PM has to do is to prorogue the House until after the Obamessiah takes over, bring in a sensible Budget, and take us into another election. Massive conservative majority.

Anyone looking for petitions etc for Western Canada to separate please email me and I will be happy to supply them. There is a MASSIVE movement now taking place throughout Western Canada because of this coup d'état. I live in Okotoks, Alberta and I can promise you that should this coup take place it will be the SURE destruction of Canada. PM Dion will be Canada’s last PM.

Email address: fiximmigration@gmail.com

Largs wrote: “Perhaps it is too late for me. I am nearly 60 and would find it hard to get a job, but in the words of Horace Greeley "Go west young man"
If this coalition happens there will be no future for Canada for there will be no Canada.
To the people in the west I say goodbye and good luck. Watch your immigration carefully. No sense going it alone if you take the very people who destroyed the country in the first place.”
Largs I was born in Ontario lived in Quebec for 26 years and nothing saddens more that the potential destruction of Canada however Western Canadians will not survive a government run by Layton from Quebec, Dion from Quebec & Duceppe from Quebec. Albertans cannot afford to take this gamble particularly when Jack Layton has said he will shut Alberta’s oil down. I am sure you would be welcomed out west with open arms.
In addition, I agree immigration can be a lifeline or a plague it all depends on how it is done.

D. Wilson
Okotoks, Alberta

Will the new Western Nation be accepting immigrants from south of the border? Sounds like you've got a better idea there. Can I crash on your couch for a while?

Well said Reverent Dream. I too remember all that you mentioned - I remember my Mom and Dad selling their cows and crops for nothing and paying huge taxes so the CCF bigshots and the easterners could live high on the hog. I was in Alta when the Turdo shut down the province - two of my friends died and many (myself included) ended up jobless and flat broke. My active repugnance for Dippers and Puffins has never left me. The Blocheads at one time gave me hope that they would leave the country and take the Quebers who hate the rest of us with him. Seems I underestimated the Fishy Blochead - he doesn't really give a rip about independence - he is looking for funded dependence with Quebec calling the shots!

Never again. What the two dumbos and the blochead have arranged is treason. Call it by any name you wish, it is treason and anyone who is a citizen of this country should be outraged - even if they are torn by their own greed for western money when the Troika of Bolsheviki start spreading around the $$.

I think the hard core crooks in the Liberano Party are worried about the unearthing of the billions hidden in secret Trust Funds. Explains the panic to me.

TBinSTL;
Probably :). But bring skills and hard work ethics with you please and thank you.

Alienated: Why do you opine? This turn of events is the most fantastic thing to come along in more than 100 years (more than 103 to be exact). We never voted to be a part of CONfederation. We were just annexed.
It is high time we made a decision like the responsible adults we know we are and can be.
The head is shiny and the puss needs to escape. "Jack and Gilles have pricked the boil to get a piece of the action".

It's all good... in the end that is, because the result will be to toss out the old and replace it with whatever we come up with.

It's fantastic to watch Jacko going to shut down Oil- that gives revenue, and plunge us all into pogey, to which there will be no funds to float the bill.
Just wait till he demands that Alberta "share" our Heritage Trust Fund. You know its coming. It's like a train wreck. You just know there is massive carnage underneath the twisted wreckage.

It's coming as sure as your taxes are going up.
Question is: how are you going to vote in the referendum?

This is a power grab at a time when the country needs stability. It's time the West stood up and flexed it's muscles. BC/AB/SK are the engine of this country and I think we're tired of funneling good money after bad. The planned $30B bailout is a payment for the support of the public sector. Why on earth would we give money to a 100% foreign owned company (Ford) to prop up an industry that is destined to fail.

Canada has one of the strongest economies in the G20 so why topple the Government. Like the Conservatives or not this is not a time to introduce further instability into the economy. It's plain greed.

Does anyone know if there is a leading Western Separatist Party? It's time to leave Dominion.

Thanks!

"Does anyone know if there is a leading Western Separatist Party? It's time to leave Dominion."
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Rise; I am not sure about elsewhere, but there is one for AB called SPA
http://www.separationalberta.com/

In Feb 2008 an unofficial poll pegged AB being better off alone at 23%.
I am certain that if this goes through that would EASILY double.

I believe that it is easy to sort things out by simply anouncing that we reckonize that the Bloc, NDP, Greens, and Liberals are now a new party.

They should be known as the "Coalition Party of Canada" going forward from this moment, and going forward should elect their own leadership, and run in the next election as the "Coalition Party of Canada".

We would no longer need parties such as the NDP, Liberal, Bloc, or any other brands of parties. We then would be able choose the government we wish for our country going forward, two choices only, and as a bonus we would no longer be troubled by the separtist party in Quebec highjacking the rest of Canada. The Conservatives would automatically become the western representives for the west, giving us a voice in government.

The coalition is the final kick in the ass that I needed to realize that Western Canada will never be treated with any respect by the east.
It is time for us to go now.

Doug Christie of the WCC is not the right guy to lead us out of Canada.

Ralph Klien what are you doing these days?

I agree with Keith. Let's wake up King Ralph and get the ball rollin. It is time to wash our hands of these leftwing blackmailers once and for all. Saskatchewan,Alberta,and BC can look after themselves quite nicely without the rest of the deadweight from this country tagging along.
I for one, have wanted to leave for a long time and this just solidifies my thoughts. What a kick in the balls for Western Canada this coalition is!!!!!

In the last 3 days, I have visited dozens of blogs & websites reading hundreds if not thousands of comments and the one common denominator in all the content is the utter distain at the prospect of our democracy being hijacked by power hungry politicians seeking self-gratification. There is an exception to the common denominator however and that is the CBC. I find it quite amusing that a media outlet paid for with Canadian tax dollars is being used as a propaganda machine to further its own cause.

I am sure that if the Conservatives had their way the CBC would be justifiably restructured to represent the true values and opinions of MOST Canadians not just the few that will say and do anything to keep their job visa vie funding by the Liberal/NDP/Block government. There has been an obvious ground swell of Western Separatist sentiment but do Westerners have the guts to do what MUST be done? When you think about Canada what comes to mind? Really, ask yourself this question! I put myself to this very question a few days ago and came up with the following, I always thought that the west could potentially depend on the east should we (The West) get into trouble but what has actually occurred is the reverse and with increased frequency. Alberta sends far more out to Ottawa than it receives and it is scheduled to increase even under the direction of the Conservatives. With a new “coalition” government in power the drain on the west will get FAR worse. Staggering would be an appropriate adjective to describe what Jack Layton, Stephan Dion & Gilles Duceppe have in mind.

Perhaps some eastern Canadian politicians have taken note that SOME political clout is shifting west where the money has been for some time. This revelation is perhaps not sitting contently with their megalomaniac like personalities. I am not sure who is advising them but they should undoubtedly seek out an alternate profession.

As I mentioned earlier, I believed we could depend on eastern Canada but akin to a child that has grown up Western Canada does not need eastern Canada anymore; moreover, we are constantly being disciplined by a dysfunctional parent who is intentionally restricted our growth. Western Canada has matured and its time to leave the abusive nest, we no longer have the same ideology/philosophy as the east. We have not had these left wing concepts for many years, Western Canadians have evolved, we believe in traditional values, hard work, ethics, fair play but most of all we typically do what needs to be done.

Now we have a new challenge the likes of which we have never seen. The N.E.P. will look like a Boy Scout jamboree in comparison to what the “coalition” has planned. Jack Layton wants a return of the Kyoto Accord while openly advocating the closure of Alberta’s oil industry. Stephan Dion was incessant with his Green Shift during the last election. Gilles Duceppe is always looking for more from where ever he can get it.

We have not needed eastern Canada in many years and I now vehemently feel that it is time we strongly consider the notion of secession. Eastern Canada WANTS/NEEDS Western Canada weak; it strengthens their hold to power as well as their power of manipulation over the West.

Do we have what it takes? We have the money, the organizational skills but most importantly, we have the fortitude. Should this coup take place don’t let the opportunity pass and say coulda, woulda, shoulda! Remember, they want us weak!

I believe in the west!

Daniel Doherty
Alberta

The West might, Alberta will.
What needs to happen is for this coup to occur and implement their damage.
We will then see for real when we go from 3% unemployment to 12% the real anger coming out.
the problem is then we can do what we should but are coming at it from a weak position.

We should have enough foresight and confidence to go immediately.

We can do no worse than what we are subjected to now!

This "collobration" has awakened a sleeping angry giant.

It is absolutely reprehensible that a group of parties can gang up and overthrow a legally elected government and assume power without a mandate to do so. This is nothing more than greed and has no place in our parliament. I believe it is now past time for the western separatist parties to pony up and present a unified front with a dully elected leader that has the willpower to stand up and move the four western provinces out of this dysfunctional régime and onto far greater prosperity. Please make it well known when the rallies will be held.

how does the bloc get 49 seats with 10% of the pop vote, and the green get no seats with 7.7 of the popular vote?a seat in B.c.costs 35-50k. quebec 14-22k. only 60% turn out.. 49 seats?