UPDATE!! According to John Baird (on Charles Adler) Gilles Duceppe will have veto power over every single bill put forward by the coaltion.
Oh man, I do think I see the twinkling of the asteroid about to extinguish the Liberal Party as we now know it.
If it doesn’t take out Confederation first.
Related thoughts from Kelly McParland.
Harper — Toronto boy
“When the NDP show up to form a coalition with the Liberals, you’re supposed to pray for an asteroid, not pick a favourite.”
LOL!
About those CBC comments. We should lock-in on a sensible comment and then “recommend” it until it reaches the top of the heap of garbage that always seems to pile up.
For example, the opposition is clamouring for a stimulus package despite our GDP growing in the last quarter. How stupid is that?
Bob Rae continues to make the rounds, justifying this coup d’état for anyone who will listen, using the minority gov’t elected in Ontario in 1985 as his ammunition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_1985
There’s a HUGE difference between the seat distribution for the elected PC minority gov’t and the Liberal Party in 1985 and what’s unfolding here. The seat distribution map of the legislature at that time shows what an absolute crock it is for him to have the audacity to compare the two. A 3 seat difference, BOB, between the Tory gov’t-elect and the Opposition Liberals. Nice try!
A Liberal party that won a paltry 77 seats, a whopping 66 seats less than the CPoC, with a lame duck leader whose policies as well as he himself having been resoundingly rejected by Canadians, the worst showing for the LPoC since confederation, set to become the PM of Canada…. and chosen NOT by the people, but in a backroom, with Ignatieff, Rae and LeBlanc having been so generous as to emerge from that backroom to tell millions of Canadians who the leader of our country will be. How big of them. How democratic of them. This is nothing short of criminal.
“65% of Canadians did not vote for Mr. Harper.”
Actually, the only people who could vote for Mr. Harper reside in the riding of Calgary Southwest but I’ll play Rae’s game anyway:
74% did not vote for Mr. Dion
83% did not vote for Mr. Layton
90% did not vote for Mr. Duceppe
and most tellingly, 100% did not vote for a coalition of the above three.
If there is such presumed support for a coalition, let the GG dissolve Parliament and let’s have an election between the CPC and the coalition. That’s it – two, and only two, choices on the ballot.
Herb – Let me explain this to you like you’re four years old. There’s a difference between what you can go and what you should do. If you don’t know the difference, you’ll fit right in with our new “government”.
The old saying says there is a little corner of foolishness in the mind of even the smartest man.
So if the French citizen Dion was to actually become the PM of Canada after all of this, I’m betting that he would not resign easily just to let the wussy Toronto Liberal Mafia take over the Crooked Liberal Party du Quebec.
After all it is his baby.
Bob Rae continues to make the rounds, justifying this coup d’état for anyone who will listen, using the minority gov’t elected in Ontario in 1985 as his ammunition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_1985
There’s a HUGE difference between the seat distribution for the elected PC minority gov’t and the Liberal Party in 1985 and what’s unfolding here. The seat distribution map of the legislature at that time shows what an absolute crock it is for him to have the audacity to compare the two. A 3 seat difference, BOB, between the Tory gov’t-elect and the Opposition Liberals. Nice try!
A Liberal party that won a paltry 77 seats, a whopping 66 seats less than the CPoC, with a lame duck leader whose policies as well as he himself having been resoundingly rejected by Canadians, the worst showing for the LPoC since confederation, set to become the PM of Canada…. and chosen NOT by the people, but in a backroom, with Ignatieff, Rae and LeBlanc having been so generous as to emerge from that backroom to tell millions of Canadians who the leader of our country will be. How big of them. How democratic of them. This is nothing short of criminal.
Sorry for the double post. An error was indicated the first time.
Let me get this straight—the opposition are angry because the gov`t has not gone on a massive spending spree, thereby triggering a large deficit. Is that what voters want?
The phone # for Rideau Hall is 1 800 465 6890.
The email for the gg is info@gg.ca
Get to work folks. I am on hold even as I type this. And next, I am going to fire off an email.
Another CTV poll goes horribly wrong.
An NDP-Liberal coalition would:
Reflect the will of the people
4031 votes (27 %)
Be nothing more than a power grab
11152 votes (73 %)
Total Votes: 15183
The Faust coalition train leaving the rails in an astounding fashion.
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Duffy, l ian macdonald are saying the PM needs to Porogue in order to come back with a Budget that will force the Opposition to Vote on that & not a economic statement.
The phone # for Rideau Hall is 1 800 465 6890.
The email for the gg is info@gg.ca
Get to work folks. I am on hold even as I type this. And next, I am going to fire off an email.
Hans, you should start your own blog, you come up with some real gems sometimes.
kate – please provide the link to Rally For Canada, so that as many people as possible will go to these rallies.
Also, write to the gg and urge her not to make the untenable decision of allowing an unelected cabal to take office as the govt. We didn’t elect any of these three parties as our govt, and we most certainly did not elect a coalition.
And write to all the MPs.
Imagine a situation – where a separatist party, whose members are outside the accountability of the majority of the Canadian electorate, is being put in the position of allowing/not allowing ALL actions of govt in Canada. Putting Quebec alone in charge of Canada. The rest of the electorate has no vote in this government.
The small weasel of a man called Layton in cohoots with Duceppe were plotting this prior to the economic update. How could that have anything to do with what was in that update? The Liberals under a half-assed, lame duck leader is a willing dupe for power, nothing more.
These Bastards care nothing for the country. They’re crashing the stock markets, no matter. Putting us in an uncertain future in uncertain times, no matter, it’s all for power, nothing more.
Duceppe, a Separatist will call the shots with the balance of power, they can’t do without his support and he only cares about what’s in it for Quebec.
Surely people have to realize the danger in having a Separatist on the inside of government and with the information available to him and havoc he could wreck upon the country. This is a dream come true for him, Separation will be back on the front burner.
This is a war, it may not be civil either, we cannot let this happen. We must take to the streets in masses if there’s anymore of this outrageous Banana Republic takeover of our elected government.
William…Most Toronto and Quebec voters,and isn’t that all that matters?
Why would it be necessary for Canada to have an “economic stimulus package” right now? Reports are that our GDP grew last year and Canada is considered to be one of the (if not the most stable economy). It sounds to me as if Obamamania has infiltrated the country and the liberals and NDP are jealous and want to try their hands at this form of socialism.
I just got off the phone with my broker. I’ve sold my stocks with the most exposure to the Canadian market.
I urge everyone else to do the same.
If we are not going to be allowed to vote against this coalition politically, at least we can vote against it economically.
@ Kathryn (4:09)
Let’s go one step further, shall we? Didn’t something like only 15% of the country think that Dion would be the best PM, 2 1/2 times less than Harper and about half as many as Layton?
“It sounds to me as if Obamamania has infiltrated the country and the liberals and NDP are jealous and want to try their hands at this form of socialism.”
Violet,
I think you are correct. In some perverse sense of logic the Libs and the NDP must somehow believe that there will be some type of orgasmic euphoria if they think “working” with or be in some type of same mindset with Obama.
I’ll be quite blunt here, the leftoid SOB’s who claim that Harper is a dictator have failed to realize that a dictator usually employs guns to maintain power. Have people disappear. And these types of dictators have one thing in common. The same Marxist/Socialist dogma entrenched in their minds. The same dogma that Jack, Gilles and probably Dion believe in.
If these three SOB’s claim to represent the majority of the Canadian people, then form a political party and go to the polls.
Somebody is desperate for power, and what the under lying reason is not clear. This movement to over throw the government, is not done for the love of county that is for sure.
Dion being an interm PM is perfect…he won’t be around long enough to get any blame if there is any, and the Liberals will get their house in order before the next election. And we’ll get a consensus government instead of a government whose sole purpose is to get in power and stay in power.
Oh, the TSX was over 15000 last year and it dropped to 7600 a couple of weeks ago. Harper was in charge the whole time…what does that say about market confidence in his leadership abilities?
“Oh, that’s different…look, Dion, adscam, liberals, socialists”
Stephen Harper…not a leader.
“If we are not going to be allowed to vote against this coalition politically, at least we can vote against it economically.”
Umm, you’re voting against Canadian companies by taking your money out of the market. The socialist swine will only interpret further economic turmoil as further evidence they’re needed.
The TSX has had its largest drop in history.
I admit that I was completely wrong on this front. Anyhow, take a look at the comments on that link. One fellow had the audacity to say about the drop, “Who cares?!” But being a CBC Kool Aid dufus, he couldn’t even get the tense correct!
I’ve got a comment up at Free to Choose
I just told my office manager to close our business account with the Bank of Montreal and open one with the Alberta Treasury Branch. I’ll be moving my personal accounts as well and trying to find a home for my RRSP portfolio as well.
I’ll be sure to let the people I deal with the reason why.
I refuse to have any of my money down east.
Any other way I can think of, I will do. I have no other say except what I do with my money.
My daughter’s cell phone plan with Bell will follow.
I would love to see someone post other financial steps that we can take to move our money west.
From the CTV website: “CTV’s Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife reported earlier Monday that a high-profile, four-person economic panel would guide a Liberal-NDP coalition government on finance matters. The group would comprise Frank McKenna, Paul Martin, John Manley and Roy Romanow. “This is a way to assure Canadians the economy would be managed properly,” Fife told CTV Newsnet. The panel of “wise men” would help the new government navigate the current global economic turbulence, he said.”
I also saw Fife report this on television today, and he added that this group of “wise men” would be formed to reassure Canadians that the coalition of national disunity wouldn’t do anything economically “reckless.” Then, without any apparent sense of irony, the CTV article continues, just as Fife’s report on television did:
“Fife also reported that the coalition government would introduce a $30-billion economic stimulus package and roll back $50 billion in planned corporate tax cuts.”
All this on a day that we learned the economy grew — grew — 1.3% in the June-Sept. quarter, and the TSX fell 8%.
molarmauler, here:
http://www.cwbank.com/branches/alberta.htm
“…Canadians will be asking themselves Why should I vote When you have such deals being made Hours After the Election.”
—bryanr
True.
and unfortunately the MSM will brainwash people into believing the coalition gang are poor little victims of big bad Harper and they had no choice…
result; many Canadians will be angry at the conservatives instead of at the real culprit…
You know just as the MSM has managed to brainwash people into believing it was not Democrats who caused the Sub-prime financial “meltdown” it was big bad Bush…
I hate the fact the MSM has the power to brainwash, disinform, and influence elections etc….
The hell with western separation, I’m moving to Quebec where all the ezee money is soon to be… doled out on a first come first served basis… while supplies last.
So, “Gilles Duceppe will have veto power over every single bill put forward by the coaltion” is the pay-off for the Bloc accepting Dion as leader of this coalition despite the fact that he is reviled by them for his work on the Clarity Act. The rest of Canada better get used to bending over!
Lets see..
Harper tried to cancel political parties from being at the public trough.
He wants to stop public service strikes till the economy rebounds.
He wants to be frugal and not blow billions on a economic package for a country that’s doing quite well, thank-you very much.
He’s being lambased for not negotiating with the opposition over these policies.
These policies are exactly what the voter put him there to do.
We already knew the opposition was against such common sense.
I guess when the media says he isn’t getting along, they really mean he’s not governing as the left wing opposition would.
Molarmauler, if this coalition ends up in power, we can snap our wallets shut and keep them shut, to choke off as much GST revenue as possible. Voluntarily suspend all non-essential purchases. This will leverage provincial governments in the east as well, as they will enjoy a drop in PST revenues.
grok: “Geez, make up your mind lefties. When he leads, you call him a dictator and want him to compromise. When he compromises and tries to incorporate the opposition’s demands, you sh!t all over him for that, too.”
That’s why PMSH seemed to be going for broke with his proposed motion last week. The Opposition has made governing for the CPC like having to dual with a blindfold on, with both hands bound at the wrist, and both feet bound at the ankles. The Liberals, NDP, and Bloc are nasty bullies, empowered by the favour they find in the MSM.
They care nothing about the Canadian electorate, as is plain in this stunt they’re trying to pull. I’m watching Dion live (puke) and he insists that he and the coalition are putting “the interests of all Canadians” first and foremost.
What a lie! These guys are delusional. Canada needs a “strong, effective, and responsible government” bleats Taliban Jack. Like he and the other stooges can deliver that. Canada down the Rabbit Hole.
grok: “The opposition is either insane, childish, or simply mad for power. Which is it?”
All of the above.
God help Canada. We’re in the hands of unprincipled, power hungry madmen.
Canada died 28 June 2004 when it elected a known thief. This BS is just the funeral.
Up the Republic of Western Canada.
lberia- the stock market drops/rises are related to the global financial infrastructure, not to the Canadian PM. Heh – you sure don’t know much about the financial market, do you?
The Liberals are the party that is focused only on power – remember Adscam, remember Chretien and his machinations, remember the Liberal setting up of immigrants into balkanized blocs of dependent voters?
And if you think that the Liberals/NDP have any interest in Canada or Canadians, and are not interested in power – then, you are really ‘out to lunch’. Backroom deals that ignore the will of the electorate are third world strategies, not the tactics of a democracy.
And to have a govt totally dependent on the veto of a political party, the Bloc, whose members are out of the control of over 80% of the electorate – if you think that’s not a powergrab and is a sign of a democratic country – well, what can I say.
The phone # for Rideau Hall is 1 800 465 6890.
It’s busy.
I wonder how many of us will be able to get through.
Those of us who are self employed have the option of showing what we think about this troika of traitors by withholding tax payments. If only a few people do this they will get screwed but if a substantial fraction of self-employed individuals refuse to pay their tax installments there is no way the tax department can go after all of them. I’m seriously thinking of doing this for the December installment. Anyone else interested?
I’m thinking more and more….
This move may give Harper the majority he needs… eventually…
Just listening to the three stooges’ press conference. Layton is telling Harper that they have every intention of bringing the government down at the first opportunity. I say Harper gives it to them. Make the party funding issue a single topic money bill and then let the opposition pull the trigger. Imagine the outrage from the voters…
lberia, aka Lavrenti Beria.
Stalin’s pervert, psychotic:
Lavrenti Beria Executed: December 23rd, 1953
LAVRENTI PAVLOVICH Beria was a Georgian, like Stalin, who called him ‘my Himmler ‘. … who was shot on Stalin’s orders, apparently at Beria’s prompting. …
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5002061094
Stephane Dion just said in French that “we offer another opportunity to Canadians”.
Okay, let’s have a vote to confirm your “opportunity”, Mr. Dion.
WE DEMAND ANOTHER ELECTION!!!
Did you hear Duceppe?
NEP II on thae way 1990 targets. This will kill Nova Scotia, but is far worse on Sak and Alberta.
Godspeed west, go for the good of the country!
Those on the left opposed to PM Harper often ( as here ) constantly refer to him as a bully … funny … I seem to remember Chretien being the real bully , but that is never mentioned.
I’m so frickin mad I could spit….we need to flood every MP’s in box with letters…John Gormley Live has posted a link with every MP’s email…here
http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E
In other words what the coalition gang is saying is,
” We don’t want your $1.95, we want total control of the country ”
batb – email the gg and everyone else.
info@gg.ca
What we must realize is that this coup is not the result of anything Harper did; any financial Motion would have done the trick. Layton and the Bloc – and Libs – have been planning this for months. The agenda was to vote down a financial measure – any financial measure – and insert a ‘coalition’. Without going to the electorate; without a vote.
And, setting up the Bloc, a party out of the reach of over 80% of the electorate, with total vetting power.
This isn’t democracy; this is a blatant thuggish power grab – based on backroom promises of cabinet positions, millions of money being offered to special interest groups and so on.
This also has nothing to do with our economy; there is nothing in this agenda that has to do with the economy. Instead, Layton, the Bloc and the Liberals – set it up as their strategy of gaining power.
Again, the tactic was to vote down a financial measure; any one would do – as long as it was financial. Then, insist that a Coalition ought to take over. That’s the coup. An open slitting of the throat of democracy. An arrogant rejection of the electorate.
Rae’s, Layton’s and the rest’s bleating that this coalition IS a majority because the NDP, Liberals and Bloc represent over 60% of the population is a specious and insulting argument. We didn’t vote for a SET of these three parties. We voted for only ONE party.
Imagine what this is doing – setting up a precedent where ANY time a budget is put forth, the opposition will, to gain power, defeat it and insist that it, along with a few of its cohort friends, be made the new govt. Without an election. Incredible – the arrogance, the utter arrogance of these people and the disdain for democracy.
Anyone listening to the three stooges on National TV about to be taking over the government of Stephen Harper, we the people chose to run the ship of state? My God in Heaven, we are in trouble if this is permitted to happen.
Brian says “Those on the left opposed to PM Harper often ( as here ) constantly refer to him as a bully … funny … I seem to remember Chretien being the real bully , but that is never mentioned.”
Right you are. In fact, they refer to that creep in hallowed tones as “a street fighter”. There is no bigger bully in Canada than Chretien. Remember the picture of him throttling that demonstrator? Chretien and the Liberals in general are scum.