Toronto, Canada, is about to become the first North American city of over 500,000 inhabitants to become gun-crime free. All it took was the courage and determination of Toronto’s resolute mayor and the farsightedness of the Toronto city council:
In June, city council voted to close down two shooting ranges on city premises — one at the Don Montgomery Community Recreation Centre in Scarborough, the other at Union Station. Following the death of bystander John O’Keefe who was gunned down with a legally registered weapon last winter, Mayor David Miller said, “I don’t think there’s any defence for sport shooters anymore… It’s a hobby that creates danger to others.”
I’ll keep this in mind the next time my family and I spend a day at our local gun club, where we’ll go though about 200 rounds of .45 auto; 200 rounds of 9mm; 200 rounds of 40 cal.; and about 500 rounds of .22. We will, each and every one of us, drink in the freedom and common sense of Western Canada and thank our lucky stars that we haven’t been infected with the strange brain disease that afflicts so many who live in Canada’s Toronto shit-pit.
crossposted @ Cjunk
“I’ll keep this in mind the next time my family and I spend a day at our local gun club, where we’ll go though about 200 rounds of .45 auto; 200 rounds of 9mm; 200 rounds of 40 cal.; and about 500 rounds of .22.”
I hope you’re handloading (except the .22 of course)!
What, no rifles?
Meanwhile in Calgary, a new deadly weapon emerges:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2008/08/22/toilet-death.html
That’s about $260 bucks of ammo and an entire afternoon learning some very important skills. A family of 5 going to a main feature at the theatre after supper out … and goodies at the theatre, will spend around $125 or more.
I’ll take the day at the range any day.
Mayor David Miller said, “I don’t think there’s any defence for sport shooters anymore… It’s a hobby that creates danger to others.”
I call BS. The only “hobby” that creates danger to others is allowing socialists to get away with their faulty,hare-brained ideas of protecting thugs and allowing law-abiding to citizens to suffer.(No insult was meant against hares).Cjunk…TO is worse than a shitpit.At least you can use shit as fertilizer. Oh wait.That’s what socialists use for their ideas,shit!!
If I was stealing from people the way Miller & Co. are, I guess I wouldn’t want ’em armed either.
Socialists never want an armed populace, they tend to not play nice when they tire of dictatorial and oppressive govts..
Yeah, a pretty stupid move but mayors come and go. I’ve lived in Western Canada and Toronto, and, all things considered, I’d sooner live in Toronto than some buttf*ck town on the prairies. Nothing personal.
foobert
The solution is to BAN TOILETS.
Of course, in Toronto, city of alley crappers, they wouldn’t notice any difference.
foobert
The solution is to BAN TOILETS.
Of course, in Toronto, city of alley crappers, they wouldn’t notice any difference.
Woo-hoo! Crime free just like Britain, Oz and Virginia Tech!
This tactic is being tried in other places as – in the yuppie areas of BC for example. This is more insidious than you might imagine, and something they didn’t come up with on their own – presently, I’m of the opinion that the RCMP has had a hand in this through the CFOs(RCMP now “directs” regulation under C68), with a lot of prompting by the Liberal troll Chris Bentley..
Works like this: C68 regulates that unless mandated for employment, the only other legitimate use for legally owning a handgun is for target shooting or as part of a collection.
C68 only requires that target shooting be down on an approved range and “under the auspices of” a club or range. Now, “under the auspices of” has a broad meaning largely meaning “with the support and blessing of”. The CFOs have decided that the meaning is more narrow – that you must be a member of a club in order to target shoot. The range regulations around this are not supported in C68 – only the narrow interpretation of “under the auspices of” lets them write the regulations the way they have.
Now, the Ont CFO, and likely the others, are busy trying to put in place a range/club requirement to report on the number of times you actually go out to shoot. At some time in the future,they will “regulate” an arbitrary number of times you must show up, or be given the choice to surrender your restricteds or revert them to a “collection”. At some point you can expect a collection to be comprised of fully de-activated firearms only.
Now, zeroing in on Toronto – by eliminating the number of available ranges to shoot at, it will become easy for the Ont CFO to start closing down restricted owners who cannot practically get to more distant ranges in order to meet the “frequency” requirement that is coming. These owners will be forced to surrender their right to restricteds simply because they won’t be able to use them “under the auspices of” a club or range.
Of course, if none of the handguns you own are registered, none of this applies to you, nor does the range requirement itself.
Has to be a moral in there somewhere…
I don’t think there’s any defence for brain dead politicians anymore. It’s a hobby that creates danger to others.
And I’m sure all those living in the Jane and Finch area will line up to turn in their hobby weapons.
You know, for years I was in favor of gun control. I thought that those people with bumper stickers saying “when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” were foolish rubes. I was wrong. It’s been clear to me for somewhere between five and ten years that they were absolutely right. Gun control laws take guns out of the hands of those who don’t violate many laws, but don’t take them out of the hands of those for whom criminality is a way of life. Toronto’s city council is dead wrong in its implitic belief that banning guns will make life in Toronto safer. I was wrong too, but I’m a big enough man to admit it. Would that those governing our countries, states, provinces, and municipalities were also big cnough.
I wonder how many people have died on basketball courts,football fields or in hockey games? Mare Miller may have a whole list of ‘hobbies’ that should be banned.
“Yeah, a pretty stupid move but mayors come and go. I’ve lived in Western Canada and Toronto, and, all things considered, I’d sooner live in Toronto than some buttf*ck town on the prairies. Nothing personal.
Posted by: christopher rivers at August 24, 2008 12:50 PM ”
Well of course you would.Easier to blend in with the other gutless wonder sheeple.Plus welfare is harder to get out West then in the ROC.And by out West,that excludes the Vancouver-Victoria cess pits.OH wait.They dump their shit in the harbour.Cuts down on the need for sewer infrastucture,I guess,freeing up more monies for socialist schemes.
Skip:
Bravo…you’re on the right track.
Last year, I got to meet and spend some time with an insider to the whole gun law thing that Alan Rock started. The overall plan is to incrementally get all guns (handguns and long guns) banned in Canada by 2035 – it’s a 40 year plan with 1995 being year zero.
Stage one was to get 50% of all handguns banned (that was accomplished with the new barrel length requirements that came in in 1995). Phase two is for all remaining handguns to be banned by 2015.
Long guns are to follow. The much-discussed registry is simply laying the groundwork for the attack on those. After all, Mr. Rock discovered that it was easy to target handguns because of the already-in-place registry on those. Thus, they need one for long guns to ensure that they can get all of them in the future.
But the basic strategy is to, as you touched on, incrementally increase the level of regulation so as to make it too much of a pain in the a– to bother owning firearms anymore. After one or two generations of it being tougher and tougher, fewer and fewer young people will take up hobbies such as sport shooting or hunting. By 2035, the Libs forecast, gun owners will be such a minority that the final ban will be easy to implement.
I’m not sure how the CPC being in power is affecting the long-term strategy. But, my guess would be “not at all” since they haven’t been able to reverse the Liberal laws yet.
It’s so sad when the society gets to a point where the people will accept this kind of behaviour: Elites imposing laws on commoners when those elites have no idea about what they are regulating.
And in that day the lion shall lay down with the lamb, they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and turn their shooting ranges into basketball courts.
Thus saith the Mayor.
marte millet and his GUN control BS is not about crime, butt about deflection so as not having to address the real problems, cuz that would be politically incorrect as they would have to address those issues effecting mostly the VISABLE minorities
Perhaps golf course can now be shut to prevent the heart attack and lightning strike deaths. “if it saves one life…”
Funny how socialists will trample rights thousands died to give us for the sake of perhaps saving one life.
Having ensured the city’s future as a peaceable kingdom with their “ban” on handguns, David Miller & co. have turned their attention to the next greatest menace to public welfare: PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES!
http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2008/08/21/6521966-sun.html
I call B.S. too. Why are they targeting the legitimate gun culture?
Everyone knows that gun ubiquity emanates from secret, illegal gun factories and not from the “legitimate” culture. Next they will try to convince us that gun lovers are compensating for their small penis/muscles or serving some murderous pathology.
‘An armed society is a polite society’.
Look no further than the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII to prove the logic of the statement above. The first action of any tyrant wanna bee is to disarm polite (civilized) people so he/she/it can terrorize the same by loosing the criminals and taking away ALL people’s rights to ‘protect’ the crippled citizens.
This is not Rocket science -His blondness is not bright but he does know the ‘script’.
If I’m following the mayor’s logic that the gun clubs must be shut down because some drunk slob with a registered gun murdered an innocent bystander than what’s the corollary action as applied to gang banger homicides? What facility of theirs gets shut down when they murder someone? A neighborhood crack house? What?
Yeah, a pretty stupid move but mayors come and go. I’ve lived in Western Canada and Toronto, and, all things considered, I’d sooner live in Toronto than some buttf*ck town on the prairies. Nothing personal.
Posted by: christopher rivers at August 24, 2008 12:50 PM
I’d eat dirt before I would even visit Torona, ignorance and crude/rude behavior seems the norm there. Now the prairies that’s where decent moral ethical people live, you never hear the people living in the Prairies wailing for more welfare or more government bans. Don’t forget Barbra Hall of the SSOHRC use to be the mayor of Torona, they do seem to like voting socialist fascist in office. It must be the cradle to grave welfare and hoe lifestyle.
I’m sure the criminal element will surrender their guns to the Mayor of LollyDoLolly, honestly what a flake.
Amen to that Rose! I agree with you 110%.Even if I won an expense-paid trip to that hole,I would give it away.The less guns,more shade and basketball courts mayor has to be the biggest flake in Canada!
A recent outbreak of a deadly strain of listeria bacteria that caused the deaths of 4 Canadians and made many others sick has been traced to a Maple Leaf foods plant located in the Centre of the Universe, aka Toronto.
Sure, they recalled the foods, shut down the plant to clean it up, apologized, and an investigation is underway, but when will the next deadly outbreak occur?
Mayor Miller, I don’t think there’s any defence for corned beef sandwiches any more!
It’s time to ban all luncheon meat production and consumption in Toronto!
NOW!!
Pretty basic move by Miller. Enables them to claim they actually tried to do something about the problem, which as one commenter noted above, is linked to gangs, and therefore a protected issue. It seems that invariably, a good socialist solves problems much like an alcoholic – by indulging in yet more of however they managed to create the problem in the first place.
Nobody’s got any guns in Toronto anyway. This is just another in a long list of sensitive Eurocentric Canadian laws, too nuanced for Americans to understand. An example of some enlightened laws in Canada,
– Having a medium rare cheeseburger in a restaurant
– Calling a nigger a nigger or a honky a honky
– Broadcasting American television
– Broadcasting American Radio
– Owning a liquor store
– Selling beer at a grocery store
– Burning wood logs in a fireplace
– Offering a doctor money for payment of their services
– Opening a book store, newspaper or TV station in Canada if you are an American
– Offering medical services on the open market
– Owning a pistol, stun gun, taser or mace
– Defending your family against an intruder by killing him
– Not registering with Big Brother the .22 rifle in the basement
– Calling anybody a name which may offend them
– Refusing to go to war when Queen Elizabeth II of England says you have to
– Swearing fealty to a foreign monarch (see Queen above) in any legal setting
– Selling your farm crops like wheat on the open market
Those are just a few off the top of my head. Anyone care to add any more?
To me, the prairies are one, huge, well maintained gun club. I usually have a pretty good inventory when I head out to work in the oilpatch. Yesterday, I took the leg off a gopher at 25 meters with a 9mm. Try that sometime, it isn’t as easy as you think.
If Bryceman’s theory is correct, There’ll be a lot of guns lost or stolen in a matter of days. It’ll be absolutely impossible for the police to investigate every case, and the system will collapse onto itself. A plastic bag and some grease will keep your little friends safe under the new sod for many years. Time will be on our side in this exercise. When the mobs start to riot in Toronto, as they did in Paris, I wonder if the police will be happy to discover they haven’t collected every firearm after all?
dp…I took my friends cigarette from his mouth at twenty feet,first shot,nobody there could believe it,including myself.I was using a pellet rifle and the crazy bastard didn’t even use anything to protect his face in case I missed.At least I put a frying pan up to my face,he didn’t come close though.
Canadian political dissent take place in two forms,
A- Commie union pinkos striking or
B- Righteous yet misguided Indians closing a road down that passes through the Rez.
Other than that can anyone name a significant instance of Canadian civil disobedience? (Hacking your satellite receiver to circumvent the CRTC doesn’t count!)
I agree with Skip’s and bryceman’s take on the issue. Remember the Liberal minister who brought us the gun registry and more regulations openly stated that he believed that only the military and police should be allowed guns.
h ryan… Unless you are BSing ( which I hope you are) It is idiotic stunts like yours that give legitimate gun owners a bad reputation . Pull your head out of your a$$ , quit BSing or sell your guns if you are not. You are a fool.
Good for Toronto!
Let them disarm their hapless residents for their own good! This will ensure they drive out all the self-reliant,free thinkers to other parts and attract all the nanny state supporters in.
Then they can tackle the climate problem by mandating their own possession laws mandating the ownership of electric only vehicles and steam powered public transportation and utilities powered by the warm, fuzzy feelings of their own smug satisfaction.
Maybe then they will leave the rest of us alone.
h.ryan-There are some wannabe gangster kids in my town who’ve been shooting other kids with pellet guns. I guess there’ve been some fairly serious injuries. Those suckers aren’t toys. I totally respect your freedom to do jackass tricks though.
“West,that excludes the Vancouver-Victoria cess pits.OH wait.They dump their shit in the harbour.Cuts down on the need for sewer infrastucture,I guess,freeing up more monies for socialist schemes”
Just a correction-Vancouver TREATS its sewage. Unless of course you are refering to the plethora of junkies that litter the streets.
Horny toad
h.ryan “dp…I took my friends cigarette from his mouth at twenty feet,first shot,nobody there could believe it,including myself.I was using a pellet rifle and the crazy bastard didn’t even use anything to protect his face in case I missed.”
Sounds like there were at least two “crazy bastard”(s) involved in that stunt, plus the dummy spectators. You guys competing for a Darwin Award?
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i think it’s way past time to get serious about this threat to society.
as long as people have access to sliced sandwich meat… we’re
all in jeopardy.
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Skip & bryceman :
Exactly! Said this back when they first introduced a mandatory fire arm certificate in 85 I believe. People thought I was nuts at the time or a fanatic paranoid. Thing is I don’t own guns. I do go to ranges though. I agree with both of you except on one issue. If things continue as they are degenerating with the ethical rot driving the culture bus threw the HRC’s & education. Than backed by the State with the political police it becomes an axis of Persecution with social engineering, twisting the populace towards fascism while giving them phony privileges. In the end people will rebel, but how many years will it take, not to mention lives to end the Inquisitions of anarchy by multiculturalism, with its made up protected classes using unjust taxes plus laws to hound the working able? What will be left of this Nation after the socialist locusts have succumbed finally by making the land a desert with not but dust left? I will be surprised (probably dead) if this Country exists on 2035.
The West will go, make there own Republic or America will invade. Do folks honestly think the US will have a cultural Marxist tool above them? Worse an Islamic State?
Now go ban bad feeling’s Mr. Miller, it will have as much effect. While your at it, piss off the sky divers too. People die in that sport don’t you know? Plus all the others. What a nincompoop.
Now watch Toronto’s gun crime stats go skyward, just like Britain’s and Australia’s.
Rob c…Give me a break,I did this in my twenties and was young and foolish,but to blame me for negative stereo types,it’s you who is the fool,you and aek can go tsk tsk elsewhere.
Magical thinking Moro…er, Mayor Miller: Ban hand guns, and, voila! No more bad guys doing bad things. (In the meantime, good guys doing good things are neutred and disarmed.)
I wish we could vote to shut down moronic mayors and their limp-wristed gun laws.
IMO, I don’t think there’s any defence for limp-wristed Trawna mayors anymore… It’s a “leadership” (sic) role that creates danger to others.
Solzhenitsyn on the atrophy of the spiritual life:
“Mere freedom does not in the least solve all the problems of human life and it even adds some new ones….We have placed too much hope in political and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life.”
dp…thank you for putting it into perspective,a jackass stunt is exactly what it was,the way some react you would think these people never ever did something foolish in their youth,must be nice to be so perfect.
Sorry, Solzhenitsyn comment above on wrong thread.
Rose – Now the prairies that’s where decent moral ethical people live, you never hear the people living in the Prairies wailing for more welfare or more government bans.
Jeez, talk about delusional. Doesn’t Manitoba have an NDP government? Did not The Greatest Canadian Fascist Tommy Douglas come from Saskatchewan? The prairies have historically been Canada’s second biggest welfare queens right after Newfoundland.
No shooting ranges in T.O. means no chance for the Olympics in 2016 and beyond
Torontonians have no understanding or appreciation for the concept of bearing arms. The mindless drones of Toronto don’t understand that government is answerable to its citizens. If a government is considered to be tyrannical or not fit to lead by the populace they can be impeached, beaten in an election, etc. – these are the peaceful methods. The purpose of private gun ownership is to solidify the relationship between people and government. If government overextends its control over the populace, the people must by force change the government. Without weapons, without freedom, you are all sheep to a moron socialist sheppard who can do whatever he sees fit with no consequence. In democratic, conservative, libertarian societies (none currently exist) the people are in charge, peacefully with their votes, forcefully through their freedoms to arm themselves.
As far as protecting one’s family goes, it is also an old constitutional tenet that one should not solely rely on government in any regard, especially in the protection of real and personal property. Since guns exist (we can’t just rid the earth of them David) bad people will have guns. If good people have guns, bad people think twice. If it is a guarantee that the good people by law must not have guns, the bad people are in charge. I certainly will not rely on some moron TPS cop to show up an hour after being called to body bag a corpse in a home invasion.
Canadians say that Americans have more gun crime- this is statistically true. However, gun crime against law abiding citizens is quite low. The high murder rates of places like Detroit, New Orleans, and St. Louis exists primarily in communities that are rife with gangs and drugs(another socialist banishment that is meant to control and sustain the poor population). The gang bangers kill each other in record numbers, but in states where gun control is limited they rarely take a chance on those uninvolved with their dastardly deeds. Would you try to rob a house if there was quite possibly a semi-automatic 12 guage ready to remove your head? I wouldn’t. And anyone stupid enough or criminal enough to take on such an action deserves every single little silver ball that gets lodged in their useless brains.
If we had more news stories like “Man foils robbery attempt with personal firearm, suspect deceased” and less headlines like “Still no suspects in Creba slaying” perhaps these scum would be less likely to risk death for a few bucks.
“Gun” is probably the worst word someone can say in Toronto. Through decades of big brother government, big city curruption, and moron leadership, 6 million people in the GTA have been absolutely brainwashed.
Let us all re-evaluate our cities, our provinces, our nation.
Whensthelasttime, there are a few of us Torontonians who haven’t been brainwashed. Be careful about tarring and feathering all of us.
I speak out whenever and wherever I can (‘great for popularity at parties and public gatherings… 😉 and I tend to agree that most Torontonians have been rendered into a permanent zombie state …
… which makes me all the more determined to speak out.