I am coming to believe that there is no such thing as “too much” Garth Turner…
As for Dion, he will move from Calgary to Edmonton, where he’s to have an open, Town Hall meeting on his climate change plan. You might not agree with everything the man says, but you have to admire this about him. He stood up once to the self-aggrandizing, hostile, me-first, greedy, macho, selfish and balkanizing separatist losers in Quebec. I guess he can do it again in Alberta.
Get this man a bigger megaphone!
(h/t to Neil.)
Update
In case you missed it, I’m in trouble again. On Friday afternoon I began receiving lots of emails in French from folks in Quebec telling me what I could do with myself, and what they’d like to do to my sister. That co-mingled with messages from Albertans reminding me that they have the oil and we have the problem. I did some battle on the radio, on Charles Adler’s rant, with people in the oilpatch who think this climate change talk is crap. And, just to cap things off, Stephane Dion called and chewed me out.
But don’t expect him to roll!
Lizzy May, stand by for an important call…
what is the difference between greedy, selfish and me-first?
Posted by: KevinB at July 5, 2008 12:15 AM
That was a great post, Kevin.
Belz should know that there is no uniformity in US culture as well. Each state in the US exhibits a unique culture. Alaska is widely different from Hawaii, Texas is different from the Pacific Northwest, LA is different from Chicago, New York, and Denver. The southern states have massive hispanic cultural contributions. Which part of America’s culture is Belz referring to? The US embraces its diversity and it makes the country stronger as a result.
Great post KevinB. Quebec is not France or Mozambique or any other French nation. It is a uniquely Canadian solution to the French problem. The French are almost constantly worried about how to remain relevant and influential in a world where English and the English heritage is the norm. How to remain relevant an influential in Canada? Just watch them. And maybe that is a bit of what ET was trying to say.,
Regarding the BSS59 solution. If only. I know that I for one would fight a war of secession to preserve the freedoms and self determination that the English heritage is built on. But I fear that there are not enough people in the West who take that sentiment seriously enough to stand up for their rights.
Central Canada is about to find out what it’s like to such hind tit economically and they just can’t stand it.
We in the West know too well how that feels and we have paid our dues long enough.
Hasn’t Garth heard that greed is good. It’s what create wealth and provides jobs for the otherwise totally useless members of society, usually tossing and turning at one government desk or another.
And oh … Dion’s plan to take jobs our of the oil patch to create more jobs in universities is beyond stupid.
Garth’s Words:
“So, why should I even try to justify my words? My attempt to show the Liberal leader has the stones to face down those who think of themselves first, and the country second – no matter where they hail from…….”
Let me explain this to Garth:
YOUR LEADER AND YOUR PARTY ALONG WITH YOURSELF, GARTH are the ones thinking of themselves first.
You are deliberately playing one side of the country against the other for your own self insterests in obtaining power. Then accuse everyone else of being divisive (typical of hypocritical liberals). You could give a rats ass about the future of Western Canadians…….the only thing that matters is that you can destroy their (Western Canadians) future to serve your own self interests of obtaining power.
The Liberals and Garth deserve each other. This only goes to prove how smart Harper is to get rid of something as a useless mouthpiece like Turner. Nothing but a liability……….fortunately now……..he is the Liberals.
Hey Garth, Dion and turncoat Goodale…….GO TO HELL
“But don’t expect me to roll.”
That was the money quote, no doubt about that. Expect it? We’re betting on it and so is half the liberal party.
BTW, as for those who are envying belz because he knows what his culture is, I really can’t understand why. It’s been a long time since I had any respect for those who base their identiy on some sort of ethnic superiority.
I am going to raise your taxes, make you pay more to drive, heat your home, turn on your lights and flush your toilets. I am going to shut your workplace down, give you a welfare cheque, and we will all be happy. Vote for me I am liberal.
What do you suppose the chances of any liberal getting voted in anywhere?
Mind you Ontario is stupid, but not that stupid.
I am going to raise your taxes, make you pay more to drive, heat your home, turn on your lights and flush your toilets. I am going to shut your workplace down, give you a welfare cheque, and we will all be happy. Vote for me I am liberal.
What do you suppose the chances of any liberal getting voted in anywhere?
Mind you Ontario is stupid, but not that stupid.
So, let’s get this straight, Garth Turncoat is implying that he and his Leader, Steffi, are concerned for the Country over their party and themselves? It’s even beyond a contradiction/oxymoron, it’s pure bullshit.
To say a Liberal gives a rat’s ass about anything beyond power would fly on par with Garth’s lust for attention and delusions of grandeur.
The very fact that Garth is toadying around after the garbling Dion to sell his snake oil is a testament of how bankrupt the Liberal party really is. Is Garth fluent in French?
Kate- you work late Time for some sleep.
I never thought I would live to see the day that a Liberal would say something truly nasty about Quebec.
It would be a real shame if the Liberals lost all their seats in Alberta over this.
Belz is welcome to his superior culture. Poutine is a magnificent and his sense of self inflicted superiority is so inspiring.
Reminds me of Steffi telling me I need to support his morally superior carbon tax.
I guess this means we won’t have Belz migrating West any time soon.
Now that’s a relief. Our gene pool will be protected.
It would be a shame if the Liberals lost all their Alberta seats over this.
Got on Rutherford when he was dealing with this and taking calls (post a rather flat MP Laurie Hawn interview)http://www.am770chqr.com/StationShared/AudioVault.aspxll @ 11:24
My key point was the big political “what if”: – if this SD/LP strategy of divide and conquer Canada and pillage the west strategy works – if the Lp wins a minority or, god-forbid, a majority by playing the screw Alberta (and now SK) card – what will be the political fall-out?
IMO it will be apocalyptic for the CDN confederation.
Stephen Harper will be quickly ousted from the leadership of the CP and replaced by a non-Albertan leader (I have had several discussions with people in Ont and Que over the last couple of years and my anecdotal evidence is that a very large percentage of central CDNS think that SH is an Albertan PM – a PM who doesn’t represent them. This, I’m pretty sure, is what LP polling is revealing as well and they are trying to exploit it. It is worth noting that this reveals a lot about the political psyche of central CDNs when they think a PM puts the priorities of the region they come from well ahead of the ROC. Obviously that is what they want a PM to do and it is why they want a central CDN PM. The words “selfish” and “greedy” seem applicable. I digress – a lot).
The fallout from that would be the disintegration of the the CP if it does not vehemently protest and defeat the green graft legislation (which I do not think it will do) and thus it would cease to be a political force. This leaves the West politically disenfranchised yet again.
It seems highly unlikely that the west will yet again form a western-based national party a la the Reform party. I think the desire to remove itself from the decaying eastern half of confederation will be almost all-consuming by that point.
I hope that the great Western leaders such as Manning, Harper and Day will rise to take the initiative (just as Manning and Harper did in creating Reform) and coalesce this desire into a legitimate and effective political force that will facilitate the birth of a new nation using responsible and well-reasoned methods (the western way).
But I hope even more that the central CDN voters come to their senses and kick the LP to the political curb over this, however I am pessimistic that they will.
Excellent post Kevin.As a french canadian or I should say a canadian of french descent,I know that many many others think along the same lines.Prime Minister Harper said it best in Quebec City this weeek.”french settlers arrived 400 years ago and the french language[and culture ]is still thriving 400 years later.”My point is quite simply that you can be a proud french canadian without being labelled a separatist.And when I say many others share this opinion,Prime Minister Harper has recognized that fact and the Quebec support he gains will guarantee a conservative majority in the next election.In my final analysis,what Quebec wants is exactly what Alberta wants and what Saskatchewan wants and what Newfoundland wants…..more autonomy to manage their own affairs and a strong federal government to ensure key portfolios are properly administered for all canadians such as Defense….Taxation….Health…and Education.The rest is all fluff and as long as Liberals are flaming the fires of separation,they will milk that for all it’s worth…It’s what they do best
Belz is welcome to his superior culture. Poutine is a magnificent and his sense of self inflicted superiority is so inspiring.
Reminds me of Steffi telling me I need to support his morally superior carbon tax.
I guess this means we won’t have Belz migrating West any time soon.
Now that’s a relief. Our gene pool will be protected.
…I think ET was making a general statement, no need to jump all over him.
KevinB, what part of Montreal? My wife is from Rosemount and her parents still live in DDO.
She went to Rosemount and Riverdale high. They just had a reunion (rosemountconnect.com and riverdaleconnect.com).
One thing all the people said was how sad the deterioration of the school was due to lack of funding, being an Anglophone school.
Someone was riding ET for proof. Signage. Can’t have English only signs, and if so, must be lesser font size then the French one.
Quebec is definitely distinct. Been to France and obviously been to parts of Quebec/NB and they are different like Britain is to Canada.
One sad thing is all my Quebec buddies think it is best for them to separate. They are brainwashed, even my ex-military buddies.
I say, let them go. Totally, have their own money, forces, and festivals.
Within five years they’d turn into little Jamaica, as in poor nation.
But they’d be free, and so would we.
This is good news: http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2008/07/05/6071776-sun.html “Tied up over issues – Dion’s much-touted ‘green shift’ fails to win over supporters, poll finds”
However, I wonder what the regional breakdown is…
kevin b- I’ll agree and disagree with you; I’ve lived many years in Quebec, both city and rural, and have some experiences to fall back on besides my own innate ignorance. I’ll stand by my point that most Quebecers view the world as divided into francophones and anglophones…and align themselves only with the former.
I certainly agree, the ‘actual French’ view Quebec and its almost impossible to understand Quebecois with great disdain. But Quebecers align themselves with other people by language; that’s their basic ‘cultural identity’. That sets them apart from ‘les anglos’ who are all lumped together in an indifferent mass, which they view primarily as American.
With regard to food, you come up with a list of Quebec’s ‘identities’ that are as regional as those of any other area in Canada. Or the US. Smoked meat (started by a non-francophone by the way) is as regional as Boston Clam Chowder.
If you are seriously suggesting that a people’s cultural identity requires having a specific food, then you are ignoring where and how that food emerged. Toronto, as an immigrant hub, can hardly have a distinct food. So?
As for the lack of a distinct Canadian identity – I completely agree with you. Trudeau destroyed our ability to develop that – and an identity doesn’t emerge fully formed from the soil; it takes years of history to develop. But Trudeau destroyed that both with his bilingualism and his multiculturalism.
Bilingualism is a fiction; Canada is not bilingual. What that did, however, was to set up a governing system with bilingualism, who are primarily francophones, in power. The rest of the population was reduced to passiveness; they couldn’t express themselves because they had no power as non-bilinguals.
Multiculturalism has been devastating, for the hub of immigration has been into Ontario; and it has balkanized the population. Multiculturalism prevents any Canadian identity from developing, for it asserts that differences MUST be retained; that Canadians must define themselves not as Canadians but by their country of origin, by their ‘ethnicity’, by their religion, and as such, must retain these differences. Right there, you destroy any capacity to develop a national identity.
The Liberals fund these isolate blocs and assist them to retain their differences. This sets up adversarial competing blocs fighting for funding.
However, Quebec selects its own immigrants and a first criterion is that they speak French. That reduces differentiation right away. BUT, Quebec and immigration don’t get along. The ratio of immigrants into Quebec cities is the lowest of the provinces; you can check out Canada’s immigrant stats for that.
Almost 95% of Quebec’s immigrants live in only one city-Montreal, and they are not viewed with esteem. They are not part of the ‘pure Quebecois’ and aren’t accepted as such. So, Quebec doesn’t have that multicultural destruction that the ROC does.
A great part of Quebec’s identity is its differentiation. Now, identity can be experienced both as ‘This’..and as ‘Not This’. In Quebec, there’s a lot of identification going in this second category, ie, We Are Not This’. It’s easy to describe yourself in the Not This category. Because you can say: we aren’t linguistically English; we aren’t individualists, we aren’t greedy entrepreneurs, we..etc.
What abour teaching our history? The anglophone teaching of Canadian identity is disgraceful; it’s all about ‘multiculturalism’ rather than the devt of a shared history. Quebec’s school history books, however, focus on Quebec and a common Quebec identity. I assure you, they make for interesting reading.
I fully agree that Canada does not have a national identity. The Liberals telling us that we are ‘tolerant’, ‘peacekeepers’ and so on, is garbage. We don’t have an identity because those same Liberals set us up to prevent one from developing. It’s an easier population to manipulate for votes if you slide-and-dice them into adversarial groups. That’s what developed with the immigration boom after WWII. And we can see Dion’s slice and dice strategy in his Green Shaft, where he’s taking the money from the West to bribe votes in the East.
And as you point out, the HRCs are yet another tactic to silence debate, dissent and any voiced rejection of this balkanizing multiculturalism.
The result is that we don’t have a Canadian identity and fighting against a strategy that considers that it’s easier to manipulate the population to vote in a certain way..by balkanizing them into blocs of country of origin, ethnicity, religion..and language…Well, that’s hard to fight against.
And this is the purpose of dion’s visit to AB:
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/454764
“Dion in the lion’s den”
“Hats off to Stéphane Dion, as he doffs his Stetson at the Calgary Stampede this weekend, for entering the lion’s den with a sheaf of volatile carbon tax proposals in his saddlebag.”
Political red meat for the ‘screw the west – vote liberal’ strategy.
Garth Turner is part of the strategy not a rogue IMO.
Tomax7, signage is not proof as it’s acceptable to have English only signs, and not necessarily with a lesser font size. Not seeing them says more about corporate attitudes not to put them up than the law that governs such rules. BTW, I’m within walking distance of Riverdale, and you’ll have to do better than blame lack of funding because it’s an Anglo school. It receives the same funding per capita than any French public high school. It’s not a victim of anything or anyone.
Although there’s a lot of truth in what KevinB says in his post which is a rebutt to ET’s post…ET also has a lot of truth in his too.
Take it from a french Canadian born in Quebec now living in Ontario.
As for the ROC having little identifiable culture and being compared to Americans…What’s wrong with that? I prefer that to being compared to England or France or any European country. At least America still has balls and the last time I’ve checked: The last true beacon of freedom and Liberty and the most powerful Nation on Earth. I much prefer having Washington South of us than Moscow or Hong Kong, thank you very much! It does not bother me to be a “more polite and shy American”. That’s how most Europeans see Canadians anyway: An extention of the US. That’s all we are anymore. Thank’s in large part to Trudeau and the Liberal doctrines since the 70’s. Weaken your Defense and you weaken your stance in the world. Of course being buddies with people like Castro does not help either.
Most Quebecers also like Americans and their culture but just like many Anglo Canucks they will be silent about it or simply deny it. (Our beloved inferiority complex which ALL CANADIANS can culturally identify with!).
Quebecers flock in Florida and Old Orchard beach Maine where they have their own communities.
Their #1 movies are translated American films.
Quebecois are just like Vermont style Americans (Like many BC’ers) except they speak French and many of them (The Bloc supporters) still think they are Canada’s cash cow…LMAO…I’m not kidding! Quebec was somewhat Canada’s cash cow (Lumber, Mining) in the 1940’s and 50’s, then Ontario took over in the late 60’s with their Auto industry now it’s the West with their natural resources.
Vive le Canada!
Vive le Quebec!
Vive les USA!
The numbers are against the West, and that is not about to change any time soon. Control in one form or another remains in the east, get used to it. Until the West or quebec leaves confederation we will never achieve our full potential, never.
Think about how much further ahead Western Canada would be had the YES side won the referendum. Countless billions saved on bilingualism and transfer payments alone. What the hell has quebec added to this Country other than discontent, aggravation and turmoil.. Park your emotions and put your brain into reality mode and things get a lot clearer. quebec leaving is to the West’s advantage, and the sooner the better. Support the Parti Québécois.
Where is this climate change/global warming/climate crisis/ end of water… by the way. Only a liberal is stupid enough to believe this scam, and only a Toronto voter is moronic enough to vote for the purveyors of this bulls..t.
Garth Turner referring to someone else as “self aggrandizing” is the very definition of irony.
This limp dick Turner sure censors his blog or else the Ontario voters who use it are stupider than I have thought for 50 years. The comments on there make one realize there should be a test in order to vote, I despise the thought that my vote is cancelled out by these nose pickin. sister humpin LOSERS from his area.
ET: Sorry, I apologize if I seemed harsh. It was late, eh?
Just a few things about your rebuttal:
“If you are seriously suggesting that a people’s cultural identity requires having a specific food”
I’m not saying it’s a requirement; that’s cart before the horse. I’m saying when people do have a cultural identity, it always manifests itself through food. When I tour any of Toronto’s different ethnic neighbourhoods, it’s not the clothing or furniture shops that distinguish them; it’s the restaurants and cafes. A recent book is titled “Food is Culture”; I’ll stand by that.
You and I agree about the horrors of multi-culti, but I don’t put all the blame on Trudeau for that. Joe Who? was the first to spout this nonsense, eschewing a Canadian identity for his nebulous “community of communities”. The vulpine Liberals saw this as a more marketable strategy than “bi-bi”, and exploited it better than the naive Tories.
And finally, I agree with you on the completely disgraceful way Canadian history is taught. My older daughter just finished elementary school. She’s in the gifted program, was accepted into an exclusive science and technology program for high school, and was the only kid in her class that objected to the lies in Al Gore’s propaganda piece when it was shown to her class. I think she’s pretty smart. But she doesn’t know who Radisson and Grosselier were, or for that matter, Marquette, Joliet, Hudson, Frobisher, Mackenzie or any of the explorers other than Cabot, Cartier, and Champlain. She’s heard of the Red Baron, but she doesn’t know who Bishop, Barker, or Collishaw are. She knows something of D-Day, but nothing of Vimy, Dieppe, or the Scheldt. She was not taught how this country was built, or by whom.
A few months ago, I read that some teenage Muslim girl in Toronto told a reporter “Canada’s not a real country anyway.” I wanted to punch her in the face then (truth be told, I still do), but on reflection, it’s hard to blame her for feeling that way when our schools do nothing to foster a sense of Canada as anything more than a medley of (in Kate’s apt phrase) “pavilions at the folk fest”.
Such a rich discussion; so many things to comment on:
– good to see Garth Turner and Stephane Dion want the debate to be civil. As I understand it, Turner has, sort of, retracted his remarks about the separatists, but not in the context they are like greedy westerners.
– Garth Turner has become the mouthpiece for the Green $haft, simply because nobody else wants it, and he has that rare combination of egotism, arrogance and stupidity that makes him think he can pull it off. As usual, Turner’s judgement is suspect.
– ET, IMO, HRCs (how about that for acronyms!) and recent Order of Canada award to Morgentaler are a symptom of something else – the left/progressive/anti-USA/socialist crowd is no longer in power, so their actions are a last gasp effort at retaining some influence, and poking a stick in the eye of the “neocons.”
– It is indeed ironic that separatists feel they must have their own country to defend their culture. IMO, the only chance to assure their culture, besides their own efforts which should be all that’s required, is within a Canada, with its bilingualism, guaranteed markets and equalization. Belz is right, Mr Harper did say that Quebecers are a nation; but, within a UNITED Canada. I think Mr Harper was implying that the Quebec “nation” would have trouble surviving outside Canada.
– There is no doubt Quebec is a distinct society, but that distinctiveness would surely wither away if she were a small part of a sea of English, with the funding and markets (dairy for example) cut off. Separatists would have Quebecers believe that equalization and favoured markets would continue after their nationhood; they couldn’t be more mistaken.
-It really bothers me to hear that Canadian history is not being taught, except in some revisionist fantasy setting. Our history is rich and vibrant, and incredibly interesting and we should be very proud of what we built as Canadian immigrants. That’s why people came, and come, here (with notable exceptions of course, still not disproving the rule).
-I really don’t care who invented Montreal smoked meat; it’s delicious (remember the Hugh Segal line that he never inhaled marijuana, just smoked meat).
– I think I went a bit overboard in my criticism of Belz; that is until I read his blogging at the Garth. I’m quite sick of the ethnocentric pure laine nonsense. I know that’s not what Quebecers want; yes they are a more organic (even homogenous) society than ROC, but they are also fiercely private enterprise and have supported free trade.
– I think Stephane Dion is in for a really rough ride if he actually commiserates with the public, rather than staged Liberals-only-attend rallies. Garth Turner has done everyone a favour by exposing the soft undercurrent of Western bigotry in the LPC. (no he was not “re-elected as a Liberal,” what shoddy journalism).
– It amazes me that Dion would make such obvious errors in judgement with his gouge and spend policy. He doesn’t tax consumption but production instead, and aims most of the spending at Central Canada. What a cynical attempt to vote buy, and it won’t work.
Anyway, rant over, it’s off the work world I go. Remember, get yourself floored by hardwood.
Irony? I would say “insanity”.
“I’m saying when people do have a cultural identity, it always manifests itself through food.”
Kraft Dinner.
It’s a happy day for me whenever Garth Turner opens his big mouth in his never-ending attempts to insert his foot.
What really bothers me is the manner with which the story is being reported in the media today. Not a word about Garth or the LPC insulting Albertans by comparing them to Quebec separatists in insulting terms. Oh, no! The hand-wringing and weeping in the media is based on (as usual) the sensitivities of Quebec, Quebec, Quebec.
KevinB: “In a way, I envy Belz. He knows what his culture is about; do we know what ours is?”
ET: “I fully agree that Canada does not have a national identity”
My entire life, all 61 years of it, I never understood these statements. I’ve never had an identity crisis as to who, or what I was. I have always been, simply, a Canadian, a product of this land we call Canada (and no different than anyone anywhere who identifies themselves by what country they’re from). I had a decent and respectful upbringing and education of what Canada was made of, both physically and anthropologically.
From a very young age, I understood that the province of Quebec and its “frenchness” was “Canada” and I feel a sense of belonging about that.
I understood that the vastness of the prairie and its various settlers, old and new, was “Canada” and I feel a sense of belonging about that.
I understood the majesty of the Canadian Rockies and have always been in awe of those who count themselves lucky to live in that part of Canada, and I feel a sense of belonging about that, too.
I understood and have a deep sentiment for the fragile nobility of life in the Arctic and the peoples who have adapted to live there, and I feel a sense of belonging about that as well.
I understood the quiet dignity of a sometimes hard life in the Maritimes, embodied as it has always been with a down-to-earth sense of community and family, and I feel a sense of belonging about that too.
I have always felt a sense of citizenship in the Nation of Canada. I’ve never had a particular allegiance to any one province even though I have lived my whole life in one (but travelled in most). I have relatives from sea to sea, and I’ve always felt I’ve had compatriots from sea to sea as well.
And I’ve always resented the foreigner (regardless of their own nationalism, including Brits, especially), newly arrived, or long-time immigrant, who would constantly proclaim “I had no identity”. Certainly, my identity is “not French”, “not English”, “not Italian, German, Swiss, Dutch, Iranian, Saudi, Guyanese or any identity clung to by the many who have come. There is no hyphen in my national soul.
From the time I was old enough to walk and talk, I have been nothing else but Canadian.
A great many of the settled immigrants in the GTA have never been out of it, except to fly back home, or visit relatives in the states. I brook no criticism of my national “identity” from someone who’s never even left the province, and I would say to any Canadian, go and see this magnificent country and meet and greet the Canadians that make it up. You simply have no idea what it means to be a Canadian until you have done that.
I find it ironic that we can talk about “Americans” as if they all look the same and come from the same place, and yet Canadians insist on hyphenating their origins. I don’t see that as a respect for ancestry, I see it as a repudiation of who you are and where you live.
No, I don’t get those kind of comments at all.
What Skip said.
I am just trying to imagine what it sounds like to be “chewed out” by S Dion on the phone.
Just can’t quite imagine it. If it was emotional I dont know how you would understand him and if he understood him I cant imagine it sounding particularly harsh.
One way or another I am sure it was humourous.
Garth may yet be the first Green MP in Canada
Skip is the embodiment of a life-long Ontarian. Alone among their countrymen Ontarians think of themselves as Canadians first.
Canadians have a strong national identity, it’s just been subsumed by misguided multiculturalism which forgets that Canadian culture, mores and freedoms are the base to which all other identities are added. Meaning that when Canadian ideals are diametrically opposed by an outside influence it is the Canadian ideals that remain.
Given our 141 year history and the longer history of those countries with which we most closely identify, the whole point of Canada is that it is not one of those places, as Canadians long ago abandoned those places to built this place.
http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2008/07/03/yahoo-2/
my suggestion for prime minster is that he needs to reduce some weight since he become prime minster not economic increase except his weight
at least Mr. Dion look slimer I do not like his french accent he needs to take some english course to able to speak English fluent
when French Canadina are talking I feel we are hearing some one outside of Canada are talking Enlgish
I do not belive both know what they are talking about but liek to know to correct direction
and like to learn what they are talking about
Dion more talkitive man in comparison with
Prime minster
harper need to hire Ezra Levant his old freind to talk for him since Ezra talk so much too
if police like to ban drug for ever
need first know where they grow the drugs
suchs as Newmarket all famrer should see those police dogs and airport and border and police report about druges more camera and distribution adn ship and all ship for crouse tourist
all jail phone to outside get checked
for some reason drugs is so much among these group:
first native Indian Canadain are in drugs alot
next are black community young people in Canda are in druge
mexican and spanish are in druges
and finally white Canadian look like unemployeed
check the welfare toevery body apply for welfar do the blood check too
check police and army and rcmp and fbi they may have employee help drugs are spread
check the druge company as well
, more villigi simple white men nd woman with no education even by look of their coulr we can find out who is in druge becaue black tehri colour face is not clear but white people with druge usage are so clear who is in druges
all mental hospital
all celbrity and music and sport club
ban this Medona add more husband for herself
all those celbirity you call we call more to line of adultry in differnet level are spreading druge and alchole
watch rich for druge more than poor for usage of drugs
wtach very poor for distribution of duges
probably more young police below 8 years are help drug dealer as newmarket two police were has work for police for 8 years
police with more time are not involve with druge and old cop also is not trusy for investigation of druge
court need smarter trained crown andpolice to caught the druges
before prime minster need to loose some weight and very quiet may look not know well of subjects and commmuniate with Muslim and made food for Muslim welcom and Mr. Dion learn how to speak Engish with no french accetn make sense englsh can trust him or understand what these two ar talking about
i always thought men adn woman who are not talk are not smart men and woman later notice the English culture are very quiet
power how to talk nice is ablity not every body can have it still I do not like or trust people who are not talk so much are so many in Canada but in back gossip so much
French are look kind and see big people English are look polite smart see the detail picture people
No doubt about it. . .
Garth happens to be correct this time.
You don*t see USA citizens carping about who gets what natural resources. They understand patriotism and we better learn it too!
Albertans, Quebecers and Newfoundlanders who talk separatism are just as petulant and selfish as is North Korea when they use bad nuclear behavior to get special attention and more foreign aid.
Guess we are not mature enough to share the toys in the playpen without pouting yet..
Too bad. = TG
When the subject of Dion attempting to sell his cash grab disguised as a carbon tax in Alberta comes up, I have flashbacks to the old westerns. You know, the ones where a skinny, dwebish tendfoot ends up hopping around in the streets of Dodge City while the cowhands fire their six guns at the general area of his feet. The only difference is that I can’t imagine Garth Turner as Gary Cooper riding to the rescue. In fact the Garthinator would probably end up doing the ole soft shoe besides his sponsor.
When the subject of Dion attempting to sell his cash grab disguised as a carbon tax in Alberta comes up, I have flashbacks to the old westerns. You know, the ones where a skinny, dwebish tendfoot ends up hopping around in the streets of Dodge City while the cowhands fire their six guns at the general area of his feet. The only difference is that I can’t imagine Garth Turner as Gary Cooper riding to the rescue. In fact the Garthinator would probably end up doing the ole soft shoe besides his sponsor.
When the subject of Dion attempting to sell his cash grab disguised as a carbon tax in Alberta comes up, I have flashbacks to the old westerns. You know, the ones where a skinny, dwebish tendfoot ends up hopping around in the streets of Dodge City while the cowhands fire their six guns at the general area of his feet. The only difference is that I can’t imagine Garth Turner as Gary Cooper riding to the rescue. In fact the Garthinator would probably end up doing the ole soft shoe besides his sponsor.
Sorry about the double post.
Dion will never be P.M so why the yipping about ontario amd quebec. just to help his image with them so they think we are the barbarion’s attacking them. My rellies down there have no idea. what I’m talking about because the msm has played it down to the east.
TG
I must take exception with your assessment of the current situation. Speaking as a transplanted flat lander who has spent most of his life in Alberta I have found Albertans to be generous to a fault. Unfortunately in some quarters kindness is mistaken for stupidity.
Support for such things as The United Way consistently rises. Albertans may grumble about the tax dollars we send to Ottawa that seem to get spent on social programs we do not agree with but we continue to cough up.
Your attitude, those held by many central Canadians and of course our Liberal friends seems to view Albertans as backwards children in some colonial outpost who really need to be taken out behind the woodshed.
I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard the tired old “they won the mineral lottery” gambit as if the oil flows from the ground with little more prompting than a round or two from Uncle Jed’s 12 gauge.
Of course we have the likes of Liberal strategist Kieth Davey who famously uttered, “screw the west we’ll take the rest”, or Borat Dion’s more recent “izzy money” proclamation. Other noted central Canadian Liberal thinkers like Turner and Mark Holland have ventured west to lecture us on the crapulence of our ways. I for one am flicking sick of it.
I spent a good portion of my life busting a gut on the rigs to the tune of a double hernia, two broken fingers, and one blind eye to provide for me and mine. In those years I contributed personal income tax in the 20-50k range consistently. For what? To be derided and shat upon by some candyass intellectual priss who “knows” how things should be, to watch while the farmer bob gun registry sucked up 2 billion and counting so some latte sipping socialist asswipe can pretend to do something about gun crime? All the while being chastised for not being a good Canadian?
Even the kindest and most sharing of folk have a limit and many of us out west have reached ours.
I’m not sure where you live but I would be willing to bet it is in one of our more progressive metropolis’.
I suggest you get out of the city for a while because the massive cloud of smug that emanates from the rotten cores of Liberal thought is the real threat to the unity of this country.
My girlfriend is an American who lives in Phoenix and has family and friends who live in northern Ontario and Toronto.
When we started our relationship online some six years ago her friends from the big smoke were aghast. How could an intelligent, beautiful, successful, independent women lower herself to the level of Alberta oilfield trash? Of course they formed these opinions without meeting or even conversing with me. Do you get my point?
Cynthia made a wonderful observation at the time. She said we are not so much a country as a collection of people who really don’t like each other much. I think she’s right.
Syncro
p.s. Hypothetical here TG. How do you think Quebec or Manitoba would react if a hydro-electric tax was implemented to benefit say Alberta?
p.s.s. Hey TG, when you ponder the hypothetical please disregard the screw job Quebec slipped the Newfies over the whole James Bay project. So much water through the turbines so to speak.
Syncro
Garth Turner proves his vast ignorance once again.
He obviously doesn’t know that Alberta and Quebec are diametrically opposite.
While Alberta has shared about $200 billion in transfers to Ottawa since the early 1970s, the slackards of Quebec have squandered about $200 billion of Ottawa transfers going around and around in their wacko little French cultural cul de sac.
Generous Alberta works.
No pride Quebec parties with other peoples money.
What a pathetic legacy the Crooked Liberal Party du Canada and Pierre Trudeau left Quebec.
rockyt
If I may….”What a pathetic legacy the Crooked Liberal Party Du Canada and Trudeau/Cretin/Martin left us all”.
For shame.
Syncro
The greatest difficulty I see with Canada is the myriad of petty tyrannies that pass as political wisdom in this vast country we inhabit. Ontario knows far better how to sell wheat than Saskatchewan and so the prairies can’t sell their own legal product! Quebec and Ontario know much better than Alberta the real price of oil and the NEP results. A few urbanized intellectual featherweights determine that societal norms shall be thus and Canada winds up with abortion on demand and gay marriage. Canada has always been a nation without vision or reason for being except of course to tell other people how best to run their lives.
This time Dion and lickspittles don’t push it cause you’re gonna lose!
TG:
In the US the states get to keep ALL of their resource revenues. BIG difference. If texas had to make equalization payments to Washington how long do you think the Union would last?
What is Quebec culture all about anyways — FOOD!!!? There is sooo much mythmaking and propaganda making to convince Canadians that Quebeckers are so much more superiour – bitch please.
I am a proud Canadian and I know that Quebec culture, Newfoundland culture and all the provinces cultures including Canada’s culture are all very young cultures compared to other countries in the world such as Greece, Italy and India etc. I always laugh when Quebeckers expect someone coming from a truly rich cultural history like India and Greece be expected to “respect” Quebec culture. Odd that this same level of respect is not reciprocated to other cultures coming into Quebec yet immigrants are supposed to respect Quebec without this same respect given to their culture and customs. Hypocrisy at its finest.
My culture in Canada includes respect for immigrants and freedom of linguistic expression of which modern day Quebec has much to learn from Canada.
Culture eh … it’s not just about food. And don’t let the propagandists fool you that Quebec is sooo culturally advanced and Canada has no culture. They are into this ‘Quebec is superiour’ mythmaking which I see them trying to do all over the internet. Quebec is still a very young culture so is Newfoundland and so is Canada in the whole scheme of things.
Quebec has much to learn from Canada on how to treat immigrants. I live in Montreal and my neighbours attitude here towards Muslims is disgusting and racist. A much more tolerant Quebec towards other “cultures” is a start before we discuss “culture” and some people’s holier than thou attitude.