I am coming to believe that there is no such thing as “too much” Garth Turner…
As for Dion, he will move from Calgary to Edmonton, where he’s to have an open, Town Hall meeting on his climate change plan. You might not agree with everything the man says, but you have to admire this about him. He stood up once to the self-aggrandizing, hostile, me-first, greedy, macho, selfish and balkanizing separatist losers in Quebec. I guess he can do it again in Alberta.
Get this man a bigger megaphone!
(h/t to Neil.)
Update
In case you missed it, I’m in trouble again. On Friday afternoon I began receiving lots of emails in French from folks in Quebec telling me what I could do with myself, and what they’d like to do to my sister. That co-mingled with messages from Albertans reminding me that they have the oil and we have the problem. I did some battle on the radio, on Charles Adler’s rant, with people in the oilpatch who think this climate change talk is crap. And, just to cap things off, Stephane Dion called and chewed me out.
But don’t expect him to roll!
Lizzy May, stand by for an important call…
darkly davis, in my opinion, immigrstion is NOT a two way street. If you leave your native country (and they always sound like the best country in the world, so why the hell did you leave?), your country of adoption owes you very little and you owe it respect and loyalty. But I also understand that for most immigrants today, you couldn’t be loyal to your own country so I understand if you can’t be to your country of adoption. In any case, it’s not a crime to make a mistake, so if you can’t live with the way things are where you are, maybe you didn’t pick the right country of adoption. Adios then.
maple stump:
In my opinion immigration IS a 2 way street. Here’s why.
Who else but mostly immigrants will do the many jobs Canadians are too proud to do?
Canada needs immigrants for economic prosperity and growth … deal with it!
How would Americans and their American economy survive without that oh so abundantly cheap Mexican labour? Businesses just LOVE cheap labour and immigrants entering into this country will not stop anytime soon. Business owners are dependent on immigrants and business lobbyists are demanding more of them from governments. Again cheap labour equals more profits for them.
Quebec and every other Canadian province dependent on cheap imported human labour better damn well kiss immigrants asses cause it’ll ensure their economic prosperity.
Canada needs immigrant labour and if Canada needs ’em we better damn well treat them, their language and their cultures with respect. It’s the very least we can do. And it’s the decent and right thing to do. Isn’t that what makes our Canadian country sooo superior to all those other countries these immigrants come from – that we treat people with respect, better through our equality laws and all? If not then Canada is just as bad as some of the countries they come from.
Also if Quebec doesn’t respect and show loyalty to Canada, immigrants then ask themselves “Hey why should I respect and be loyal to Quebec in return anyways.” Immigrants come here wanting to be CANADIANS and getting a CANADIAN passport. Quebec can’t force immigrants to respect their language and culture, it must be a mutual affair born of respect and admiration both ways first. You can’t force people to respect you and your language and this is what some in Quebec don’t understand. You can’t legislate respect. Unless you’re communist China maybe.
Respect is a 2 way street. Better get used to it & quick!
http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/canada-day/
Prime minster video
Synchro,
Albertans are generous and all those good things you said they were.
Few are separatists. I said separatists, not Albertans.
Gord Tulk,
Wealthier US states do contribute to the barren states like North Dakota. Texans are generous and would never stoop to selfish bellyaching.
Those I met while living in Corpus Christie could care less about wealth going to Washington and then on to other states in need. = TG
PS:
No GTA *Smug* here, on ocean clear central Vancouver Island.
Even our provincial *Liberal* government is really conservative. A true surprise to most in the rest of Canada. = TG
No, I don’t get those kind of comments at all. Posted by: Skip at July 5, 2008 12:57 PM
Really good stuff Skip.
If I may add this to the discussion around culture and Quebec. What Quebec has that the rest of Canada doesn’t have is a population that is pretty much all of one origin, French. I know that the immigrants have come to Montreal in great numbers, but at least Quebec protects itself from being watered down too quickly by protecting it’s language.
I used to think that was chauvinistic and narrow, but not anymore. Quebecers have a culture and it’s around their language for the most part. They also have a joix de vive (“love of life” forgive the spelling) that sets them apart. They love to be social and free.
They are more likely to rent an apartment than to buy a house so they can spend more time and money having fun rather than mowing the lawn and doing a kitchen reno.
The women are more likely to be better groomed, dress a bit more fashionable and be more sexy and friendly than women in the Rest of Canada. I have lived and worked in a lot of places in Canada and those are some of my observations.
The Rest of Canada would do well to start protecting itself from the newcomers with their less attractive customs, language and religion. You know who I am talking about.
I have also lived and worked in the USA and they are a wonderful people who happen to also have slimy politicians just like we do. However the people are more patriotic, self reliant, friendly and generous. We could learn from them too.
Albertans and Ontarioites are a very generou$ bunch. Who else but them have been con$tantly $upporting the federation. Or else all the have not provinces like Quebec would go way down down down in their standard of living.
You don’t think that if the situation were reversed and oil was discovered in Quebec like Alberta has now, Quebec would simply skip out on Canada, say Sayonara to Canada and enjoy their riches. Ontario has been giving out way too much in transfer paymenst to keep Quebec rich and satisfied but they may also become a have not province soon.
Quebec is not a giver they are a culture of take, take, take me-me-me first constantly whining about their lot in life. These are the values the separatist politicians teach their peoples. Even the corporations here in Quebec do not have a culture of supporting the arts and sports organizations in Quebec, they always wait for the various levels of gov’t to put out more money. No real culture of giving to help out to others.
Quebec would NOT help the rest of Canada the way that Alberta and Ontario have so far delivered mass riches into their Quebec economy.
Garth is right about Quebec separatists being greedy scumbags but he is WAAAAY off calling Albertans such undeserved names. The evidence shows Albertans are not derelict in their duties, but extremely generous Canadians. But like a deadbeat, derelict father, you can be sure Quebec would never give out their riches to Canada should a province ever be in need. The separatists past history tells me so.
Garth Turner and Baird both need to apologize to the good people of Alberta, not appease the separatists. Politicians in this country need to stand up to the truth and not let pandering for votes in Quebec get in the way of honour and justice Mr. Harper. Baird and Garth Turner need to apologize to the Alberta people for this undeserved criticism when history shows they have paid up ALOT of money. Money which Quebec would NEVER give out. The criticism towards the Quebec separatists IS much deserved but Stephen Harper pandering for votes in Quebec will never admit to this and instead panders to Quebec. You all should keep up to date on how much money Stephen Harper is pumping into the various Quebec festivals and otehr projects to again pander for votes above and beyond what the Quebec population needs. Keep pumping that money in Quebec pandering for those Quebec votes Stephen Harper and Baird keep pandering. Pandering is what conservatives do best.
The truth is a bitch in Canada with spineless politicians always bending over backwards for a Quebec that takes and takes but never gives to Canada. Responsibility is a word that is never expected from Quebec politicians towards Canada, just a constant free pass.
They are a selfish culture let’s be frank and truthful. Stop pandering and worrying about votes in Quebec Stephen Harper don’t be a spineless politician.
The United States would never put up with such constant abusive behaviour from one of their states like the petty crap Quebec constantly pulls here.
Interesting discussions here:
http://communities.canada.com/MONTREALGAZETTE/forums/thread/201940.aspx
For more reading on this subject check out the Gazette forums
If Dion wants to impose a Carbon tax impose a tax on Hydro Quebec electricity as well so ALL of Canada will benefit from Quebec as well. Oh yeah won’t happen cause Dion wants their greedy hands on Alberta’s oil money and Stephen Harper will dare not upset Quebeckers by asking them to do their part for Canada.
Spineless Canadian politicians both Conservatives and Liberals makes me wish for the rough and tough American politicians that would not put up with this pandering bullcrap.
Albertans and Ontarioites are a very generou$ bunch. Who else but them have been con$tantly $upporting the federation. Or else all the have not provinces like Quebec would go way down down down in their standard of living.
You don’t think that if the situation were reversed and oil was discovered in Quebec like Alberta has now, Quebec would simply skip out on Canada, say Sayonara to Canada and enjoy their riches. Ontario has been giving out way too much in transfer payments to keep Quebec rich and satisfied but they may also become a have not province soon.
Quebec is not a giver they are a culture of take, take, take me-me-me first constantly whining about their lot in life. These are the values the separatist politicians teach their peoples. Even the corporations here in Quebec do not have a culture of supporting the arts and sports organizations in Quebec, they always wait for the various levels of gov’t to put out more money. No real culture of giving to help out to others.
Quebec would NOT help the rest of Canada the way that Alberta and Ontario have so far delivered mass riches into their Quebec economy.
Garth is right about Quebec separatists being greedy scumbags but he is WAAAAY off calling Albertans such undeserved names. The evidence shows Albertans are not derelict in their duties, but extremely generous Canadians. But like a deadbeat, derelict father, you can be sure Quebec would never give out their riches to Canada should a province ever be in need. The separatists past history tells me so.
Garth Turner and Baird both need to apologize to the good people of Alberta, not appease the separatists. Politicians in this country need to stand up to the truth and not let pandering for votes in Quebec get in the way of honour and justice Mr. Harper. Baird and Garth Turner need to apologize to the Alberta people for this undeserved criticism when history shows they have paid up ALOT of money. Money which Quebec would NEVER give out. The criticism towards the Quebec separatists IS much deserved but Stephen Harper pandering for votes in Quebec will never admit to this and instead panders to Quebec. You all should keep up to date on how much money Stephen Harper is pumping into the various Quebec festivals and otehr projects to again pander for votes above and beyond what the Quebec population needs. Keep pumping that money in Quebec pandering for those Quebec votes Stephen Harper and Baird keep pandering. Pandering is what conservatives do best.
The truth is a bitch in Canada with spineless politicians always bending over backwards for a Quebec that takes and takes but never gives to Canada. Responsibility is a word that is never expected from Quebec politicians towards Canada, just a constant free pass.
They are a selfish culture let’s be frank and truthful. Stop pandering and worrying about votes in Quebec Stephen Harper don’t be a spineless politician.
The United States would never put up with such constant abusive behaviour from one of their states like the petty crap Quebec constantly pulls here.
Interesting discussions here:
http://communities.canada.com/MONTREALGAZETTE/forums/thread/201940.aspx
For more reading on this subject check out the Gazette forums
If Dion wants to impose a Carbon tax impose a tax on Hydro Quebec electricity as well so ALL of Canada will benefit from Quebec as well. Oh yeah won’t happen cause Dion wants their greedy hands on Alberta’s oil money and Stephen Harper will dare not upset Quebeckers by asking them to do their part for Canada.
Spineless Canadian politicians both Conservatives and Liberals makes me wish for the rough and tough American politicians that would not put up with this pandering bullcrap.
Albertans and Ontarioites are a very generou$ bunch. Who else but them have been con$tantly $upporting the federation. Or else all the have not provinces like Quebec would go way down down down in their standard of living.
You don’t think that if the situation were reversed and oil was discovered in Quebec like Alberta has now, Quebec would simply skip out on Canada, say Sayonara to Canada and enjoy their riches. Ontario has been giving out way too much in transfer payments to keep Quebec rich and satisfied but they may also become a have not province soon.
Quebec is not a giver they are a culture of take, take, take me-me-me first constantly whining about their lot in life. These are the values the separatist politicians teach their peoples. Even the corporations here in Quebec do not have a culture of supporting the arts and sports organizations in Quebec, they always wait for the various levels of gov’t to put out more money. No real culture of giving to help out to others.
Quebec would NOT help the rest of Canada the way that Alberta and Ontario have so far delivered mass riches into their Quebec economy.
Garth is right about Quebec separatists being greedy scumbags but he is WAAAAY off calling Albertans such undeserved names. The evidence shows Albertans are not derelict in their duties, but extremely generous Canadians. But like a deadbeat, derelict father, you can be sure Quebec would never give out their riches to Canada should a province ever be in need. The separatists past history tells me so.
Garth Turner and Baird both need to apologize to the good people of Alberta, not appease the separatists. Politicians in this country need to stand up to the truth and not let pandering for votes in Quebec get in the way of honour and justice Mr. Harper. Baird and Garth Turner need to apologize to the Alberta people for this undeserved criticism when history shows they have paid up ALOT of money. Money which Quebec would NEVER give out. The criticism towards the Quebec separatists IS much deserved but Stephen Harper pandering for votes in Quebec will never admit to this and instead panders to Quebec. You all should keep up to date on how much money Stephen Harper is pumping into the various Quebec festivals and otehr projects to again pander for votes above and beyond what the Quebec population needs. Keep pumping that money in Quebec pandering for those Quebec votes Stephen Harper and Baird keep pandering. Pandering is what conservatives do best.
The truth is a b*it*ch in Canada with spineless politicians always bending over backwards for a Quebec that takes and takes but never gives to Canada. Responsibility is a word that is never expected from Quebec politicians towards Canada, just a constant free pass.
They are a selfish culture let’s be frank and truthful. Stop pandering and worrying about votes in Quebec Stephen Harper don’t be a spineless politician.
The United States would never put up with such constant abusive behaviour from one of their states like the pettiness Quebec constantly pulls here.
Interesting discussions here:
http://communities.canada.com/MONTREALGAZETTE/forums/thread/201940.aspx
For more reading on this subject check out the Gazette forums
If Dion wants to impose a Carbon tax impose a tax on Hydro Quebec electricity as well so ALL of Canada will benefit from Quebec as well. Oh yeah won’t happen cause Dion wants their greedy hands on Alberta’s oil money and Stephen Harper will dare not upset Quebeckers by asking them to do their part for Canada.
Spineless Canadian politicians both Conservatives and Liberals makes me wish for the rough and tough American politicians that would not put up with this pandering.
Yes TG, isn’t it amazing what having a bicameral govt with a House of Reps (representing population) and an Elected Effective and Equal Senate (representing physical area) does for the United States.
No bitching from individual states exactly because they have sent elected people to Washington to do their talking in the levels of govt there.
And the 500,000 people from Wyoming have 2 senators which have exactly the same power as the 2 from California with 35 million people.
In this mickey mouse Cdn system of govt we have a H of C dominated by Ontario and Quebec with a PM usually a head case from one of those two prov, who has virtual dictatorial power in a majority govt.
He can impose his bullsh!t head problems upon the West with impunity, while being cheered on by Ontario and Quebec.
And because we have appointed old Liberal party bagman from the West to the Senate, the Liberals call it a legitimate process of govt.
I’ll tell you one thing, TG.
There are a lot more Westerners who are far more politically aware than there were in the 1970s/80s.
And more agressive politically.
Just read the blogs.
The ‘blow me’ Liberals had better watch their step in their lust for power this time.
‘Men become what the state in which they live makes them.’
John V:
If Quebec has that “joie de vivre” it is subsidized by the rest of Canada. No way could Quebec be able to afford this socialist paradise without Alberta’s and Ontario’s help. If Quebeckers truly cared and knew the facts about the money politics in this country you wouldn’t romanticize the fake “joie de vivre” and all that other fake stuff. I live in Montreal and the people are not as romantic as you are making them out to be. Maybe you live in a Plateau artists colony but I live in real world Montreal and my friends and family are not into the “joie de vivre” that you speak of. People here need to work to have a good standard of living. and support their children. My friends and family want better for themselves and are prepared to work for it unlike maybe your laggard friends.
Who knows maybe you work for tourism Quebec and are putting this fake romanticized stuff out there to sell Montreal like some slimy salesperson. But Montrealers who live here know better than to romanticize this place. Too many problems here to romanticize this place but nice try buddy!
Every region is Canada is distinct and has great people living there. Pretty women are everywhere in this country if only you open your eyes and truly look.
I’m sure the whites in deep American South also think they have a “distinct culture” that needs protecting. Is this what Quebec aspires to Jim Crow laws. Please.
Enough with your intolerance and stop being racist towards people not like you: French, white and Catholic.
what we hear about french Quebec and Ontario English is mostly both are discriminating each other right
have a group in Quebec choose to speak French
and have relgiion of Catholic in most of them
and keep some diffirent culture
see the big picture and talk more by heart
less patient more emotional friendly people
verses
Ontario English culture
have more protestan
keep the unique culture in Ontario or alberta
are think in detail but talk less use brain
more patient and less communicate and less freindly
in comparision all language, race, ethnic background and originally came from diffent part of world immigrant in Canada
all above said is not give quebec seperation or give English to boss all french people too
country need centrailzie law and this centralize law can include any backgroun religion muslim catholic as long as follow the law to cme and lead the country
if you like quebec seperation in order to not share qubec profit margine with otehr province
or not like to go let use your tax to go to war
or not like anybody only selfish like your own ancestor all sound to me discrimination and bullyness behind it
no profit is come for rest of people out of this arugment rather of fight these two for power and money who is boss let both work under same rules and say how to direct countrywell
more inside civil white color ware cause people not fouce to more important issue and cause more seperation and racis and discrimination increase
having some one speak english or french not give htem big terophy who is good leader and their heart is close to god made them better than other and who has used eudation and in more active consider more right and fairness can be lead country sepertation is too late to
divorce quebec from the rest of Canada
I saw in Ezra levant histoy he like seperaton of qubec from canada I do not l ike jewish put seeds to seperaete catholic from protestan is like sepraton of shia verses sunni cause so much wast tiem and death in middel east
just follow one rules in all contries give some differnet in some province is theylive french or english and let got over it t
this is too late to divorce quebec from Canada
get over it and continue work this out through corrct less agresive less offensive communication off cours french are differne than English in so many thing and Muslim and christian are diffenrtn it dos notmean to have so any provice seperated if ther is not reason forit unless osme one say ground for this seprtaion is what benfit fench wil get unless politician get more power in french qubec not any thing else will gain this is more fight over power and money over each province and competition for spending tax dollar to beneif people there in anyhow
[quote]The United States would never put up with such constant abusive behaviour from one of their states like the petty crap Quebec constantly pulls here.[/quote]
Holly Shit! Have you not heard of CALIFORNIA?. We will have to resort to CC (Chemical Castration) to rid ourselves of those friendly Munchkins.
Antidote in pork…NO! NO!…it’s Beef dummy
Saw this comment on Dion in western gear on another blog and had to share about how stupid he looked….”a ten galllon hat on a two gallon head!”
The close bond between Garth and Stephane:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v714/stevekog/?action=view¤t=SDCCST.jpg
**I have also lived and worked in the USA and they are a wonderful people who happen to also have slimy politicians just like we do. However the people are more patriotic, self reliant, friendly and generous. We could learn from them too.**
Posted by: John V at July 6, 2008 12:07 PM
============ JV
john V and I seem to have traveled in the same experience *groove*.
We Canadians better become aware that we are really blessed to live next door to the BEST neighbours any nation could possibly wish for.
You have to feel sorry for the anti-US types, for they live in the darkness of ignorance. = TG
Actually, if Alberta ever enlists their help, a few score well-armed patriots from south of the border could take her.
so you are now droping nasty but accurate comments