At this very moment, Liberal Party strategists are devising a plan in which Stephane Dion will bring down the Harper government on a confidence vote, then immediately board an international flight to spend the entire election campaign at an undisclosed location.
Well, it just gives Albertan separatists more ammo.
Be careful what you wish for, Central Canada…
BS
hmmm – and why do you suppose J. Trudeau seems to be getting some press these days? The Liberals are not likely to win under Dion nor under any of the other twelve or so, and they know it. Perhaps the bounce is high enough that the plan is for Dion to do his thing, step aside, and all get behind a legacy. Does it sound like something Central Canada might do? In a heartbeat.
This makes the AB election even more critical
My really important view of all these polls is that they are meaningless as no one gives a damn at present about the government or politicians.
Wait until an election is under way.
Calgary lad, you almost correct. But Dion will be allowed his shot in an election. Don’t forget that Liberal tradition of alternating anglo and franco leaders.
Ipso-Reid? You believe them? Hey.I have a house with an ocean view for sale.In Edmonton.Oh wait.The oceans have to rise yet.Go for it Steffi.And see how well you survive without Alberta.
The factoid that the Liberals have to wrap their powerful little brains around is this: what are you going to do if you force an election with Stephane Dion as leader and win it? He becomes the prime minister, guys. That can only be a good thing for my side.
But what it might do to the country, of course, is another matter.
This does show the power of the media. The schrieber farce was created by the cbc to tarnish the gov’t,so of course they are exploiting in thier usual fair and balanced way. The ‘detainee’ crisis was a liberal deal that the media and Iggy’s friends managed to pin on Harper. The conservatives will never win over the hardcore dippers and libs,so the election will be decided by the undecided,which are being continually bombarded by unofficial opposition,cbc and ctv,with falsehoods . Watch for Lizzie May being given a spot in the debates so she can take the heat off of Dion and add one more voice to smear Harper.
ohh to be a busy beaver in the CPC research bureau doing the costings on all Steffi’s election promises.
A Christmas dream come true. It’s one thing to mouth off cheap motherhood & apple pie political platitudes – reduce poverty, save the planet etc. but it is another thing to pay for them.
When the MSM finally starts to get with the program and analyze Steffi’s dreams it will be up to the CPC to provide the costed ammunition.
PMSH and Minister Baird will look rather smart when the economic reality of what Kyoto 2 – the reality that Minister Baird attempted to explain but was tsunamied by the very well organized Interantional Enviro Industry, is explained.
Its not what Canada has to do for Kyoto, it is what Canadians have to do.
So far, Steffi et al have been deceiving us with cheap platitudes.
Tell me Steffi, how many hospitals in Canada will have to close in order for us to meet the 40% below 1990 CO2 levels you would commit us to as part of Kyoto 2 ?? How many ??
Would the Carbon tax on gasoline be greater than 50 cents a liter and why ?
Ahhhh yes . . sweet Christmas dreams in the CPC research HQ’s
Who cares???
Polls meant nothing last month…
they mean nothing this month
Having said that…
Bring on the only poll that counts
Free the West.
Short term hiccups in polling numbers don’t translate into winning elections and any party going to role the dice based on such on it is going to lose.
Fortunately for the Liberals Steffie isn’t in the driver’s seat. He has to get the cooperation of the NDP and the Bloc to bring down the government.
I think this government might well run out its mandate.
Short term hiccups in polling numbers don’t translate into winning elections and any party going to role the dice based on such as it is going to lose.
Fortunately for the Liberals Steffie isn’t in the driver’s seat. He has to get the cooperation of the NDP and the Bloc to bring down the government.
I think this government might well run out its mandate.
funny how the separatist rumblings begin when the numbers look less favourable for harper.
the majority of westerners aren’t interested in the free the west nonsense. to those who are, here’s a suggestion:
move south and shut up. i hear the job market’s really hot stateside….
I think that on Jan.11,if a public inquiry is launched that may ensnare a liberal PM or two,they will want to bring down the gov’t. This will keep thier past troubles out of the limelight and keep a budget from being tabled. Remember paul martin saying that there will not be an election until they get to the bottom of sponsorship? He then called an election about two weeks later. The libs are all about riding the gravy train,nothing else matters.
Stephane would not survive under the harsh light of an election campaign. I can imagine how bad he would look during the english debate. Oh wait, the CBC could probably help him out with his answers and heck, even the platform! Or maybe they could just substitute Iggy in for the english debate. I forgot, Lizzie May will want in on the debate (and the CBC would acquiesce) and she could help him out a bit too! How bloody exciting!
I have to say that the thought of this latest edition of the Liberal Party of Canada getting a sniff of power again makes me want to vomit. How stupid do you have to be to vote for these guys?
Well here we are in the first day of winter.Whileit seems we have been having winter like whether for over a month now.
I notice in the poll that there is a huge margin of error in Ontario and Quebec. If it is + or – 5.5% isn’t that a 11% error? I could be wrong about that but that is the way I remember it.
The Bali bounce will be like the basketball bouncing up and giving the dribbler a bloody nose. The Whole concept of Kyoto is being shown to be a fools errand. With the opposition wearing this issue it is they that will pay the price. When the media asks question of the Conservatives regarding the greenhouse gas issue I can almost feel the internal laughter being held under control. With each passing day more and more of the scientific comunity is coming onside. All it is going to take is for a few governments to offer up protection and funding to those who support the deniers possition and an avalance of deniers will appear.
If the 2007/8 winter is as cold as they suggest then it will be very hard for those who support warming to maintain their possition. They started off by saying that 2007 was probably going to be the warmest year on record and now they are saying it will be the 8th warmest.
Whimpy Canadian , Liberals can’t alternate Anglo/French any more. Because Liberal leaders MUST come from Quebec, however, there are no “celebrity” Anglos left in Quebec to serve. Celebrity is what is required when there are no Liberal policies and of coarse the little pointy-head professor from Moncton is hardly a celebrity, which is the real problem here.
Therefore, Justin will replace DeYawn. It’s already been decided at Justin’s fundraiser in Toronto this week. Besides, Justin is half and half .. if not more … hmmm.
As Mick Jaeger says “ you don’t always get what you want but if you try real hard sometimes you get what you need.” Oh well, better to be influenced by Mick than John Lennon who liked to “imagine there’s no countries”.
Only 1000 respondents?
Taken in Westmount, NDG, Montreal East, Lachine?
Wording of the questions?
A poll taken in Surrey BCs little India could return 100%.. Liberal pockets exist. So what? = TG
Not hard to figure out what Don Martin wants for Christmas.I’m sure Dion doesn’t wear make-up for tv, and he certainly wouldn’t make the all important so-called journalists wait. As it is they follow him like a pack of puppies.
What a whiner Martin is.
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=24edce99-5a2e-4a65-b1c7-32cb15e8abc3
I VOTE FOR FREE WESTERN canada -ENGLISH SPEAKING NATION ann
Fred @ 11:09 am asks –
“Tell me Steffi, how many hospitals in Canada will have to close in order for us to meet the 40% below 1990 CO2 levels you would commit us to as part of Kyoto 2 ?? How many ??”
Why is it that bloggers are asking those questions and not the Taber’s, Oliver’s, Travers’s, Walkom’s, McCharles’s, the Kevin and Don Newman’s ??
And why no MSM editorials on those Kyoto economy damaging points ??
Basic Liberal enabler journalists haven’t wrapped their heads around that question, or simply won’t go down that risky question road.
It may prove Harper is correct all along, eh?
I think that what has surfaced with the CBC coaching the Liberals at an “Ethics” Committee meeting is going to become more overt and will become strident anti-Conservative ranting at all levels of the CBC.
There’s an election on the horizon and I think that they are fighting for their corporate lives and will go right off the map in the bias department.
If there is the inquiry that Muldoon asked for, the CBC will be tarred with the collusion/sedition brush, among the many casualties on the Liberal side and having an election before that inquiry takes off is part of what Citoyen Dion is being advised on.
PMSH refusing to allow the CBC’s House talking head to do a Christmas interview was a good thing as it would have been a smear, one of what I think will be many in the coming months.
How you stop this sedition is beyond my understanding.
Tell you what. The more it looks like the Liberals have a chance to win what would be a minority government, the closer I get to pulling all my money out of the market.
I don’t think I am alone. The Liberals will be very bad for the economy. 2008 will be a tough year to begin with considering the USA likely recession.
The good new is that once the Canadian wallet has been under Liberal attack for a few months, Harper might do the ‘wallet bounce’ back into power with the majority he deserves.
Always remember – “It’s the economy stupid” Bill Clinton
the liberal plan is to get steffy elected then gut the wests energy resources under kyoto…. the dollar will fall back to 70 cents and thus the inefficient manufacturing sector will return to ontario and quebec..the libranos will then be elected for life.
Polls have the shelf life of a quart (oops liter) of milk. Perhaps the Gliberals could lock Stephane Dion away in a cave for the duration of the campaign and replace him with CELINE Dion. No one would know and Celine is now available.
As for fulminating about Bali, Kyoto etc., feel free to email any and all of the participants in the UN global warming camp. I just got really nice season’s greetings from the Sierra Club and the Pembina Institute.
every single poll released by Canada’s MSM is a blatant lie
We’ve got our own political problems in Alberta. Mr. Ed is a flop in the same way Dion is a flop. Compromise candidates by their very nature are about nothing.
Unfortunately I don’t see how we can get Ted Morton into the big chair.
As far as Jeffy’s suggestion to move south. Well Jeff, if our economy and livelihoods are threatened again by leftard economic policy you may want to move south because when the Alberta money tap gets turned off a whole lot of the social safety net is going to disappear.
In today’s economic reality the manufacturing sector in central Canada is not viable without us and the heating grate behind Eatons Center won’t push much hot air without natural gas.
To the do nothing left the Calgary School is considered to be nothing short of evil…..to many of us it is considered to be the only viable solution.
Harper may well be the last chance this confederation has….as Garth Wood stated….be careful what you wish for.
Syncro
Rather strange that the Liberals are celebrating a statistical tie with the Conservatives. Why would this be considered good news?
Mike H: Rather strange that the Liberals are celebrating a statistical tie with the Conservatives. Why would this be considered good news?
If I may be so crude, when you’re as deep into the outhouse as the Liberals are, even a fart is a breath of fresh air.
Sorry. That’s an awful, yet accurate, image.
remember after Joe Clark lost the minority government , the libs hid PET for the entire campaign.
In the past few months the MSM has hid Borat Dion, minimal coverage.
From the Don Martin column about Prime Minister Harper, cited by bluetech at 12:02
“The man himself insists he’s no meanie.
“I think I’m pretty gentle compared to my opponents,” he told me, with a straight face.
Oh, really? Well, what about that unprovoked attack on Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission chairwoman Linda Keen as a Liberal-appointed hack?”
Well, Don, if the shoe fits….
Now what do dogs do to poles?
Former PMPM declared, before the last election, that the Lie-berals would win the largest majority in Canadian history.
According to the polls.
Notice that the further from an election the “tighter” the race is, whereas the more likely an election is, the more it has widened?
Two factors, one is due to the pollers and the other is due to the public:
1) pollers can be more sloppy and let their biases run afoul as there is plenty of time to adjust prior to the real election, and
2) for the same reason Hillary is polling much worse in the caucuses than nationally, voters go on auto pilot until an election nears. Under the spotlight the numbers become more real, where voting intention really means voting intention.
Add to the fact that polls done over Christmas (and to a lesser extent weekends and other holidays) tradditionally significantly under count the conservative vote,
and this poll is pretty much useless.
But lets prey that Dion et. al think otherwise.
Conservatives need to do the following: PET = elitist. Harper = polulist. Dion = wierdo and dummy, keep playing this song.
Dion doesn’t have to hide offshore!He will hide in plain sight using Chretians & McGuintys election trick of only appearing in public with grade school children at selected controlled venues.It is a tried & true method of campaigning used by Chretian & more recently McGuinty to totally control the message via a lazy media without actually stating or defending policys.The old kissing babys photo op brought to you coast to coast by the the liberal/chinese broadcasting corp.
When will Canadians wake up to the fact that liberalism is a disease that permeates our nation.
In our liberal world, criminals run lose, drunks drive unimpaired, rapists and pedophiles run free, and liberal promises are no more than empty rhetoric.
We need a Conservative majority to protect our people, our nation, and our wallets.
I think I have given them enough time now to respond. I tried.
I asked Chantal Hebert, Barbara Yaffe and others;
Bali.
PMSH gets bad press.
But is he correct on the science ?
No argument.
So why the bad press ? Agenda ?
…. crickets …
Ask journos direct questions and they will often just hide. Won’t even try and defend themselves.
Some day, some lawyers will get very, very rich.
And the polls;
Has anyone ever seen the raw data ? A list of those polled.
More lawyers will be getting rich.
If and when a Liberal party, especially under the leadership of Stephan Dion were to win power, the Canadian stock markets and the Canadian dollar would take an immediatea and giant downward plunge. Furthermore, billions of dollars would be moved out of the country, and Foreign investment would rapidy dry up, the same as if a leftist regime similar to Chavez had gained power, perhaps not quite as bad, but nevertheless it would without doubt, be severe. People would not be wandering whether or not we are going to have a recession, but would be worried as to how severe and how long it will last.
Even attheists, Greenies and Dippers should pray that such a horrific event should never happen to dear Canada.
Erwin
Erwin
There are three types of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
It should be a law that if you are going to publish poll results you must also publish the poll question asked.
Bali and Schreiber may have been bad for the Conservatives. However, I note that the Liberals and Liberal press now want the formal inquiry called off; they presumably think that all of the benefit of Schreiber has been reaped, and the inquiriy will be bad news for them. It certainly is unlikely that the Liberals will force an election during the inquiry.
The Globe and Mail editorial staff stolidly and unenthusiastically endorse the Conservatives on Kyoto and environmental issues more generally. If Conservative and Liberal positions don’t change, it is likely that come an election campaign the Globe and Mail will become more forcefully proConservative, regardless of what their columnists say.
How effective this will be remains to be seen. It possibly will depend on whether this winter continues as it has begun: harsh.
biff, I think you are bang-on — media polsters ‘adjust’ the numbers to suit the agenda.
Far from an election — they throw out propaganda, attempt to steer public opinion.
As elections near they merge the results to reality.
Remember the 2005 election, when Martin was “leading” , according to the polls ? Then, during the Xmas holidays, PMPM “suddenly and unexpectedly” fell from grace.
Not true ?? Then show us the numbers and who ya polled —- otherwise we’ll call bs.
It is not the liberals who scare me.
Not the consrvatives.
Not the NDP.
Not the Greens.
It is the media. The others can be voted out of office.
Rpy Green and Stephen Taylor covering cbc fiasco on radio now.
‘Strategists’ is not the correct word to describe the people who are doing this- I prefer ‘patsies’, or even ‘bootlickers’.
Somewhere out there, is a province that isn’t going to stand for this- if the gliberal fartcatchers get back in, separate from Canada!
Both Steffi & Taliban Jack are going to pin the Y2Kyoto blame and costs on Alberta. Neither of them get any votes there so Alberta will be painted as the Planet Killing Province.
They wouldn’t even attempt such a drive-by national unity sliming if the tables were turned and it was Quebec with the oil, but no worries.
All Alberta needs to do is argue for a Kyoto Obligation Equalization Program.
So just like now, when Alberta funds a huge per capita part of the national services equalization program – especially for Quebec & the Maritimes, the reverse obligation should be initiated.
Canada doesn’t have Kyoto obligations, Canadians do.
It will be nice for a change to have Quebec & the Maritimes sending tax money to Alberta . . . it is good for national unity to share the pain.
And of course nobody in Quebec or the Maritimes will complain because, just like the current Equalization Program has benefited them for decades, it would be unfair to slag the golden goose when it needed help.
And it will be even more interesting how it plays out with BC having a substantial hyrocarbon industry, Newfoundland getting into carbon production big time and even Saskatchewan now that the good folks there have thrown off the yoke of socialism and can develop their massive oil sands.
So Steffi & Jack . . how will you support national unity if you plan to slag Alberta for its prosperity it graciously shares with the rest of the country??
Will you support a Kyoto Obligation Equalization Program ??
Will you nail Dulton Ontario’s smary ass to the wall over his Nanticoke broken promises & lies ??
Will you force Quebec to allow Hydro transmission lines to join the grid from Lower Churchill Falls with stealing the profits from Newfoundland ??
Jack, Steffi . . what will you do ??
Please bring on an election, time to play hardball with the nutjobs.
Ohhhhhh how much fun it’s going to be . .
Move south and shut up??
Good heavens, words completely fail me. And take my husband’s word on the fact that doesn’t happen too terribly often!
See what happens when you allow school children to play on adult sites.. sigh.
Ipso-Reid = #1 LPC patron
again and with ardour:
BS
“The poll, conducted by Ipsos-Reid exclusively for CanWest News Service and Global National,” [ibid]
The MSM paid for this; thus, they set the questions, results, etc.
The “poll” is a smear job, aka guilt by association. The evidence? Bricker’s words:
“”There has been this unmitigated, steady stream of information about negative things that happened in a previous Conservative government. I think it really has affected the Tory brand,””
Bricker uses “a previous Conservative government”, with malice aforethought, knowing that there never has been a prior Conservative government. Mulroney’s was a Progressive Conservative government, aka Red Tory. It’s a baldfaced attempt to link Mulroney and Harper. It is a failure.
In addition, Bricker uses the word Tories knowing that word has pejorative/disparaging overtones for some people.
It’s a bought poll stinking of Liberal collusion.
Disregard the pile of sfgt.
I have tried to find the polling questions and related info.No luck,I always thought that this was provided .
Problem is, Fred, that the MSM will not get with the program. Au contraire, expect the Red Star, The Globe and Mail, Montreal Gazette, Le Devoir, etc. to spend all their typeface on criticizing SHPM and ignoring the Lie-Alls, which is the establishment party, after all.
Interestingly, is it only in Canada that the Conservatives are the radicals?