At this very moment, Liberal Party strategists are devising a plan in which Stephane Dion will bring down the Harper government on a confidence vote, then immediately board an international flight to spend the entire election campaign at an undisclosed location.
AHAHAHA! Conservatives are gonna get their effin’ asses handed to them in the next election.
Awe boo hoo, everyone wants to separate now that there party isn’t winning anymore. Two words: Poor losers.
This poll is a work of propaganda. PMSH will have polls that gauge reality. If we see him draw a line in the snow and dares Borat to cross the line of death we will know, we will know. Look for a CPC majority in the new year.
If Kinsella gets involved you can be sure Steffi will be hidden, just like Mcguinty.
Stubby, I disagree. I think the Lie-All plan, as far as there is a single one, is to get the pain over with; have Dijon lose and then put in place Bob Rae. I think “This-just-in” Trudeau’s time is too soon. Although the Lie-Alls will have another Trudeaumania moment, the rest of the populace won’t. It’ll take a few years of CBC and Red Star propaganda to achieve this.
At least, that’s what I think, most importantly đ
Greybur, you don’t understand. The media aren’t being lazy, they are working for teh liberal establishment; they are fully paid up members of said establishment.
This is the battle the conservatives must/are fighting, to overthrow the establishment.
Maz2 nails it:
Quote:
Bricker uses “a previous Conservative government”, with malice aforethought, knowing that there never has been a prior Conservative government.
the polls dont determine my sentiments.
Ive been a believer for a long long time.
http://www.westcan.org/westcan/scrapbook.htm
FREE THE WEST
I see the Liberals having all kinds of problems in the next election.
Their leader is weak, lots of infighting, people are leaving the party and they are having hard to time fund raising. He communicates poorly not only in English but also in effectively presenting his ideas.
Then there is the platform itself. To win he will have to either steal votes from the right or from the left. The left is already quite crowded and the Liberals lack credibility on their pet causes. Those that really vote for social justice and the environment have the The Greens and NDP to vote for. Given the competition of the left, it may not be wise to leave their right flank completely undefended. They may lose their fiscally conservative Liberals.
Despite media assistance, the Liberals may have trouble during the election. They have produced lots of material to hang themselves. From the seriousness of Holland’s oilsands threats to the absurd comments about Puffins. They have a lot of loose cannons in the party that may sink their ship. They also are going to have to attack the CPC /Harper without the “boogeyman” crutch or the ability to buy an election with a budget.
Polls are somewhat interesting but the Liberals still have to win an election with Dion as leader, a fractured party, come up with policies that compete with CPC on the right and/or NDP on the left and overcome their own record of inaction and unwise comments.
the first one sums it up with Mulroney, Martin, Cretian , Trudeau leading the pack.
http://www.westcan.org/westcan/101.htm
FREE THE WEST
ps I was disappointed twice 1980 and 1995 , only wish we could have the pleasure of booting Quebec rather than having them leave.
they have to take the maritimes with them, see how it feels to have a bunch of whining sniveling duff sitters welded to your side.
Well said, Fred.
Cal2, I’ve been a believer since 1980 and those who pass off western libertarian sentiment as sour grapes do so at their own risk.
Unlike the simpering socialist separatists in Quebec the west has the means to go it alone. Please provide us with another NEP and watch how fast this dominion changes.
Syncro
“AHAHAHA! Conservatives are gonna get their effin’ asses handed to them in the next election”
Sure Jred..come see us the morning after, just before you top yourself by stuffing Justin Trudeau publicity brochures down your throat..
Yes, polls ARE a tool. Have been for decades now.
The point is, they can be very accurate,
BUT, they can also be used to skew voting intentions. Inflate the desired political parties support in the hope that more voters will ‘jump on the bandwagon’. (On side with the party in charge of handing out the pork)
The month long campagn is more than enough time for additional (real or made up) polls to reflect reality and superceed the previous faked, rigged data.
If not illegal it should be. Illegal advertizing ?
Many media organizations were created (some centuries ago) as an arm of one political party or another. That is not new. Politically skewed opinion polls are a fairly recent phenomena in Canada. (He who controls the media controls the message. Who does, in a big way, in Canada ?)
I think it is reasonable to doubt the integrity of news media polls until they start revealing their data. After all what do they have to hide ? And why ?
Why would media polls have any more integrity than their reporting ? Mike Duffy is on to something. If he was making things up he would be liable big time. You don’t think they would go after him ?
The poll numbers may not be accurate – they are often wrong – but here’s a slice of ordinary Canadian thought. The other day at work, the Schreiber affair came up, and the comment was “no wonder Harper wants to distance himself (from Mulroney).” I reminded the two women about Harper not being one of the Mulroney PC’s (Reform party being created out of Mulroney’s greed, etc). Both just shook their heads (meaning they didn’t agree with me). So there you have it; two relatively intelligent women who are going to vote Liberal, regardless. As much as I would love a Harper majority, I just don’t think it will happen.
Ingrid…they are not “relatively intelligent”.They have none.They are just usefull idiots for the commie/socialists.I will bet Joe Blow on the street has more intelligence then those two sheeple.
Who are the NDP candidates running against Rae and MHF. How hard will they fight to defeat turncoat Rae. Will the liberals just assume those seats are safe, like they did in Que, or will they have to go all out and publicize Dions plan for Canada and Ont. Will the auto industry be brought into Kyoto targets.
PMSH has to get the message out that he is leader of the New Conservative government, which came about because members of the Old conservatives were fed up with all the crap. Watch the media try to connect the two.
We have to get out to every town hall meeting by every candidate and ask the hard questions of libs and ndp. Why did you support the hezzies, do you agree with Codere marching with them and carrying a hezzie flag. Why did you vote against the terrorism act. When they answer, I never did that, we come back with, but your party did, do you support that party. Tie everything back to the local candidate.
We know that PMSH will win the english debate, even with the cbc writting the questions and answers for Dion. How many libs are not running, about 23 I think. That is a lot of seats to hold plus trying for new ones.
Kate, you worked to get rid of the ndp, no you, with help, have to get rid of Goodale and help elect a conservative in the north.
The question was probably something like,
“As you know Global warming will kill us all in a few years if nothing is done about it,
and as you know Stephen Harper is against doing anything about Global warming , now in light of this, who would you vote for if there was an election tomorrow?”
Ok maybe not that obvious…but you know what I mean
Right, Mary T, it’s time to mount an offensive against Goodale.
Poor old Ralphie, always on the defensive these days and with good reason, defending the indefensible.
It’s tiresome looking at him jerking forward at the cameras, hair all greased down with Brillcream and spouting off a pitch only a Snake Oil salesman could top. Time to knock him off his high horse.
Stephen Harper deserves respect.
National Post.
Published: Tuesday, December 04, 2007
You have to wonder if Canadians are able to recognize a good thing when they see it.
According to a nine-country poll conducted by Angus Reid Strategies for Macleanâs, that âgood thingâ might just be Stephen Harper.
Mr. Harper and German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, top the poll as the most admired heads of government.
Mr. Harper is on top with 5.9 points, Ms. Merkel second with 5.7 points.
I cannot remember in my lifetime (and I have lived under 10 different PMs) any of our previous leaders getting such positive international recognition. Nor can I remember a prime minister accomplishing as much as Stephen Harper has in such a short time. Interestingly then that Harperâs lowest score came from, thatâs right, Canadians.
Safer communities, government accountability, health care improvements, a strengthened military, tougher crime bills and lower taxes are some of this governmentâs achievements.
Mr. Harper has proved himself to be a decisive leader who is skillfully transforming his party into a natural governing party that could well be around for years to come. I for one say that would be a good thing.
Gerald Hall, Nanoose Bay, B.C.
Itâs pretty obvious the Conservatives have moved to occupy the political center in this country and the Liberals think moving to the crowded left is going to help them garner votes.
They will remain unelectable and screwed as long as they continue to push economy crushing policies like Kyoto2 and keep a terribly ineffective leader like Dion.
The Liberal party used to succeed because itâs polices were in tune with the center.
They only failed because they became corrupt and remain so to this day never owning the fact that they are rotten to the core and a massive housecleaning is in order.
On top of this they are so far left of center now they make the old NDP look like Conservatives.
It is priceless to read the lefty moron trolls who live in the past and delude themselves into thing that they are on the right track and that somehow Harper is a Neo-Con.
The Liberal party and its supporters have learned nothing from the past so they remain devoid of principals and would return to their old patterns of thievery and corruption so fast it would make your head spin.
This keeps good people from joining their ranks and fund raising next to impossible.
Point being, the polls reflect an instinctive reaction of those that would support the old brand of Liberal that no longer exists but is replaced by a rotting cesspool of entitlement, incompetence and corruption we see today.
When it comes down to actually voting today many will find it impossible to support a cheapened corrupt version of the NDP.
All that bali get together by UN croks was it put a big time tax on us all and fille the bank accounts of wealthy socialists like AL GORE TED KENNEDY TED TURNER and other sinister men
Has anyone stopped to think if the Block,Ndp and greens are ready to bring down the government?
The Libs need them on the noncom vote or it’s not going to fly. pete
Great hr.long fireside chat with PMSH on CTV tonite.Interestingly,PMSH only gave his holiness Mansbridge about 20 min,and CTV an hour.I thought tonite’s interview was quite heartwarming at times,and I hope people really listen to his words,and especially how he wraps it up,when he speaks of his Dad,and how important integrity is.A somewhat foreign term for Liberals.
Just a little factual background for Ron and those of you who are attacking the pollsters.
The voter intention questions remain constant over time within any one polling firm. So you can argue the merits of polls, but each one simply measures political ebbs and flows within their limited ability to reach a representative sample.
The other point worth remembering: politics polls are loss leaders for market research companies, who publish them to raise their profile. Their real work is commercial market research. So it is in pollsters’ interests to have these public products as accurate as possible.
That doesn’t necessarily make the polls accurate, but there’s no overt bias in voter intention surveys.
It was only a week or so ago, that polling was being talked about in the media that the Schreiber case “wasn’t sticking to the Harper government” The MSM know full well what ‘salt’ dion is worth. They know he’s not leader material because they have been watching and listening to him for just over a year now, they know how much editing they have to do for him! I have to agree with others who have posted above me, I too think that factions within the Liberals together with the MSM(particularly the CBC) want to pull the bag over dion’s head and push him into an election, and under the truck at the same time. They will let dion lead the unwinable battle, and prepare for another day. By then their knight in shinning armor (PETjr)will have his own safe seat, and will be glowing bright under all the TV lights. I think they feel it’s the only way to get rid of dion in a ‘clean’ manner, they dread standing in front of the Canadian public covered in blood, with knives in their hands.
I also watched the interview on ctv. Loved the closing line re advise from his father-re integrity.
PMSH said something about politicians don’t leave office rich, but they leave with integrity. (paraphrased)
Try as they might, the media and liberals will never take Steven Harper’s integrity away from him.
checking in,
Show us the question that remains the same over time.
Show us the list of people they “choose” for “unbiased” responses.
Show us the data.
If you do not, we will continue to call bs — nothing more than false advertizing.
Ronald Reagan “A Time for Choosing” speech made in 1964 in support of Barry Goldwater. This speech should be mandatory listening before allowing anyone into a voting booth.
http://www.millercenter.virginia.edu/index.php/scripps/digitalarchive/speechDetail/32
HaltonJohn,
Thanks for that posting. The only way I can contain my displeasure at the lack of conservative policy push is the thought, as you put it, of establishing a new, conservative, “establishment”. This is a long war.
“Dad,” said his daughter, empowered with her own credentials as a science-based environmentalist and her authority as member of the foundation board, “you’ve got to stop flying.” Suzuki was taken aback. “I must admit I got mad. This year I’ve reduced my flying by half, and next year I’m going to reduce it a lot more. And she said, ‘Well, what do you want, a medal?’ ” Severn Cullis-Suzuki, October 2007.
He [David Suzuki] was taken to task for them at a foundation board of directors retreat this month by his 27-year-old daughter.
[Still, it’s one thing to talk about engaging more with the business community, and another to travel to Mississauga, Ont., as Suzuki did in February, to what some greens consider the heart of the evil empire itself â Wal-Mart Canada Corp.] KEN MACQUEEN, Macleans
OK, I agree, but halting the practice of putting one http://www.macleans.ca/science/environment/article.jsp?content=200701025_10435_10435“ > screw in a huge bubble pack is a long way from Kyoto Religion.
Well, I would hope the ROC can see what leadership Harper has shown, but I’m not convinced he will get the majority…..just yet.
Haltonjohn, Good comment at 7:38..
** You have to wonder if Canadians are able to recognize a good thing when they see it.**
The NP is not perfect, but it is better than much of the leftist print media.
Left rags like the Mop & Pail have an ace going for them. Few Canadians have discovered this side of the coin, views expressed here on SDA .
If more Canadians were not so pressed for time they might read more balanced views and not fall victim to left sided Television * news *. = TG
“Few Canadians have discovered this side of the coin,views expressed here on SDA.
If more Canadians were not so pressed for time they might read more balanced views and not fall victim to left sided Television *news*.” = TG
Puke!!!! Yes, Virginia, there is a Harpocracy in Canada! Send your wishful letters to SDA.
I saw the CTV interview too. Fife and the guy who looks like he’s been “taxidermed” were most unimpressive. In fact, I nearly threw my slippers at their smug, smarmy faces. Talk about disrespect and spin. Two against one too!
The PM was magnificent: he refused to take the bait and answered with intelligence and grace, qualities the MSM toadies wouldn’t recognize if they were bitten by them where it really hurts.
The juxtaposition of integrity with crass partisanship was marked and very telling. Like Ingrid’s uninformed and brain dead friendsâsadly, I’ve got lots like that myselfâI’m not sure Canadians are ready for an honourable government: mixing my metaphors, after decades of being starved by the Liberal goons, a la the Stockholm Syndrome, it seems that too many Canadians have bonded with their oppressors and are only able to digest pablum and lukewarm, curdled milkâthe usual Liberal drivelârather than the red meat and strong drink offered by the principled Conservatives under the best PM weâve had this century! (And decades before.)
The ending of the interview was just lovely: talk of the PM’s dad and his lessons about integrity, the most valuable attribute of the good life. (Versus the Liberals’ grubby “Get as much power and money as you can and run!”) Our fine Prime Minister has his priorities just about right, it seems to me. He ended by wishing all the workers at CTV and the rest of us “Merry Christmas”.
God bless Stephen Harper!
Agreed, lookout and MaryT:
PMSH’s Fireside Chat with CTV Crocs (posted last night on another SDA thread):
Prime Minister Stephen Harper was superb when faced with the two crocodiles, Robertson and Fife. Please spare me the predators in the Canadian MSM.
Both Lloyd and Bob were smugly confident that their impertinent questions and smug attitude would please their friends and colleagues in the Librano$ and the other MSM.
I’m not sure they took into consideration the fact that a lot of us “out here” aren’t stupid or uninformed OR that most Canadians aren’t from the “big cities” which both of these critics felt PMSH had shortchanged. They also seem to have completely forgotten–are they stupid or just blinded by their biases?–that PM Stephen Harper is a very, very clever political strategist.
How else would he have survived in the swamp that Canadian politics, aided and abetted by the MSM and the PPG, have become?
I was not surprised by the partisan questions posed to Harper by Robertson and Fife, because I really believe that is their own personal heartfelt positions in relation to him and the conservative administration.
His answers made perfect sense in relation to the fiasco at Bali.
Surely it must gall Taliban Jack, Iggy, and Bob Rae to watch the Prime Minister of the country calmly , without bluster put the welfare of the country ahead of those shreiking leftists willing to join the massive wealth reditribution ponzi scheme that is the Kyoto protocol.
Joe M., I altogether agree with your assessment of the PM’s well reasoned ripostes to the stacked questioning by those two CTV fancy boysâthey look like middle and old age, plastic Kensâre the Kyoto fiasco. (Whereâs Barbieâas in Frumâwhen we need her?!)
However, and I may be quite wrong, I thought our fine PM lost some advantage by being too irenic! E.g., On all kinds of topics, I thought he was far too easy, re the âbusiness as usualâ Tamanny Hall tactics and hypocrisy of the LIBERALS, whom he kept referring to as “the previous government”: much too loose a brand, IMO.
Even if there weren’t any Canadians who don’t know that the previous DO NOTHING (but crap) government was Liberalâand there are plenty of know-nothing Canadians out there, I’m sorry to sayâI believe the PM needed to keep NAMING the Liberals as the party to blame for ill after ill. (This could be done in a polite manner, with no name calling: just telling the truth about the Liberals in a factual, straightforward manner stinks to high heaven!)
The PMâs smartsâheâs about six moves ahead of anyone else in this chess gameâare undisputed, but I hate to see easy ground conceded: unfortunately, there are lots of people who need âLIBERAL dirty tricks, graft, hypocrisy, theft, etc,â spelled out for them. The PM defended the CPC record well, but, the other side of that coin, about which many Canadiansâ heads are in the sand, including those of most of the MSM, needs to be exposed and specifically NAMED and attributed to the LIBERALS over and over.
EM,
Harpocracy? Your emotions and impuses are working well. Could you add some reasoning?
My point was that Canadians are exposed to left leaning CBC and CTV and thus have lop sided information to make decisions with.
Lookout above states:
**and there are plenty of know-nothing Canadians out there, I’m sorry to sayâI believe the PM needed to keep NAMING the Liberals as the party to blame for ill after ill.**
There is a list of 200 scams documented by a largely left leaning press.
BendGovernment.blogspot.com
EM, your love for the Liberal party is emotional but unwise. = TG
Please Mr. Harper, when you get your majority. Do us all a favor and sell the cbc.
Lookout, Most Canadians cannot remember not being ruled by the liberal party, or a non-Conservative liberal-wanna-be party.
I have had to point this out to younger ones that all they have known is not all that is available; non-corrupt governments and conservative governments can exist.
No matter what Harper did regarding the Schreiber/Mulroney fiasco, there was no way he could gain voter support while that issue dominated the airwaves. He could only lose. The only logical thing to do is wait out the storm and not give in to panic. Same goes for Kyoto.
Notice that Dion’s rise in the polls coincides with his virtual disappearance from the public radar screen. Sooner or later he will have to reappear and actually fight an election. The problems that have plagued him in the past (i.e. his horrific communication skills) will soon reassert themselves. I think that Harper’s skills as a strategist will allow him to take full advantage of that. Coupled with the fact that the Tories have an election war chest that dwarfs all the other parties, I think that reports of the imminent death of the Harper Tories are premature.
In the D-Yawn interview today on the CTV he gave himself some wriggle room when he said he would have to see what was in the next budget before deciding on which way to vote on it.
Last week he wasn’t going to wait for the budget.
Could we see the Lie-berals obediently sitting on their hands yet again?
I wouldn’t be surprised.
“Please Mr. Harper, when you get your majority. Do us all a favor and sell the cbc.”
Dutch,
That would be quite the auction.
Sometimes it is difficult to tell what the poll is doing, nonetheless, I do sometimes get and invitation to do poll.
The one about politics and preference recently, there were questions about whom I voted for in the last election and whom am I going to vote for. As soon as I clicked on conservative in both instances, a comment came to say âwe have filled your poll category thank you very muchâ, meaning that they donât want my opinion.
That would be Ipsos poll.
I sent this to the Calgary Herald – it had to be said:
RE: Don Martin – PM too mean to win majority
Mr. Martin columns are not worth reading anymore as they are nothing more than a constant whine about Steven Harper.
I saw a comment somewhere before that if Harper walked across water, the national press gallery would complain he can’t swim. Don Martin is in this camp and his opinion is not worth reading and I believe that it all boils down to the fact that Harper is not a Liberal.
Is Don Martin in collusion with the Liberals like the CBC? It appears to me to be the case
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just checking in Re polls – how the hell would you know – do you work for a polling company? if so which one
Don Martin has been spewing this anti-Harper rhetoric ever since he hooked up with Belinda Stronach to help her write her biography.
Bet that’s a big seller, eh?
Do you think Don Martin went for a ride on the Stronach Express?? Just wondering.