Kyoto … goodbye.
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said the environmental proposals are too vague to defeat the government on.
To you progressive true-green believers still worshipping at the altar of Kyoto – how’s that working for you?
Elizabeth May has just conceded she no more believes in “catastrophic global warming” than she does the tooth fairy. Like Stephane Dion and Al Gore and so many others, when a politician signals that their personal political fortunes trump “saving the planet”, I don’t think you have to worry too much about the planet.
No wonder Cherniak is closing shop to pursue other elvin opportunities. The fairy tale was wearing thin even for him.
More: “At most [the Liberals] have two surrender-monkey acts to perform to keep the government in business before they become a Liberal laughingstock.”
Chernichuck says, “I clearly cannot work for a newspaper as long as I am a partisan Liberal”
And working as a lawyer, delusional as he is would put fear in any client he may have. Liberals make me cry!,,,,,,,
Elizabeth May, last night on the CTV Duffy interview undercut Dion on the Kyoto issue.
As far as Taliban Jack Layton is concerned I suspect Canadians are finally going to realize he is a phony self promoting egostitical crypto-communist Vladimir Lenin lookalike, and totally full of Sh**!
The throne speech will pass.
Is May still leader?
I hadn’t seen her in an interview for so long…. or any green party member for that matter.
Are they polling as high as 10% or so just cus they have no opinions or party visibility? so no negatives?
Koyoto? ….That dog don’t hunt, Steffie 😉
Guess Rick Mercer can return all the Fed loot he got for taking the “one tonne challenge”.
Has Cherniak forgotten that Kinsella writes for the National Post?
It was absolutely delicious to watch Elizabeth May completely sacrifice her party and whatever integrity she could have previously staken a claim to to give Stephane Dion a clothespin to hold his nose with.
With that one statement Cherniak declares his naivete…does he want to deny the lib parisan media still?He would blend right in.
Giggles would love to have him right next to her.
CTV would have their new ‘expert’ on everything to diss anything Harper does.
The Star would faithfuly print his ideas…so much easier than log on.
Was that Jason with his hand waving saying “pick me,pick me”?
Jason the Naked, Grasping, Pathetic, No-Life Careerist Hack is giving up blogging?
I haven’t been this thrilled, blogwise, since the last time I typed
http://www.theambler.com
into my browser address field…
I guess it will be a matter of time before Stephane will have to administer a little “Old Yeller” on the family pooch, Kyoto.
HEH!
Yesterday radio news played quotes from Garth Turner commenting on the pre-throne speech.
The Libs must be desperate to have him represent their thoughts.
Good call to mention that, Kate. The media should ask some of the Green Party folks even at the highest levels what they think of May making those statements last night. Accepting that Kyoto is dead would have been a surprise to them.
Even though they are misguided, she abandoned them. And for her own ambitions, she gave cover to the Liberal Party and Dion (minimal as it is). But to do so, she ignored her own party.
It looks like the “hot AIR”craft carrier HMCS “Kyoto” just had the sea cocks opened to fill up the ballast tanks to take her to the bottom beside HMCS “Dithers”. A couple of artillery rounds should take her to the bottom of the harbour.
Once Stephan Dion changes his CO2 ratio we will let him up for air. Besides fishing is easier on the bottom when you can see what your angling for.
The briny deep looks good on the LIEberals. Like every good Newfoundlander should say; “CODSWALLOP”
By order of:
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP
Commander in Chief
Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden (Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Kyoto dead…..oh my goodness, Harper was right….LOL!!! in fact ROTFLMAO!!! oh I cant breathe I am laughing so hard……
Maroons….all of them maroons.
Expect a visit from the Goreacle to stiffen their spine.
So May says it’s too vague to defeat the government on? Since when did she or any of her party members have a vote in parliament?
even better/worse . . . Tizzy-Lizzy said she knew a year ago Kyoto was dead . . .so why has she been flogging the dead dog for all that time ??
I love reading Jason. He makes me laugh even harder than Canadian Cynic.
Does he read his own stuff though?
“I am clearly a loyal partisan” followed later by “I don’t know if I’ll become….a non-partisan media person”
That last line almost had me falling off my chair.
Eskimo,
Perhaps JACK!(TM) would be willing to ‘rescue’ a pet slated for euthenization. It would continue the parliamentary tradition of political dog swiping that Paul Martin initiated 3 years ago at Peter McKay’s expense.
If May and the green party wanted a real jump in the polls and credibility she would denounce the whole global warming/climate change BS and present a pollution control/cleanup program that the average guy could grasp. She would completely sewer the libs and ndp, don’t think they are that bright though.
Western,
But all the cool kids are talking Global Warming…..Pollution is so last century….whatever
And don’t forget the amazing grace and restraint that the ex-head of the Crooked Liberal Party is showing in his National Enquirer historical account of the ‘Jean Chretien Goon Squad Years’.
That totally classless, jawdropping book alone would be enough for anybody to quit the Crooked Liberal Party du Canada.
Amazingly, the boorish Jean Chretien still doesn’t see anything wrong with his personal Adscam Brownbag Project.
Martin should have just covered it up.
Yea, $60 million still missing – just cover it up.
I think that the polling numbers showing the Crooked Libs as high as they are, are pure BS.
Even Toronto voters, or shipjumping Liberal bloggers (heh) can’t be that stupid.
The best way the describe the Lieberal insanity is to quote the Lieberals from the last election:
“We cannot make this stuff up”
Watched analysis of Throne Speech on CBC last night, just for laughs; though, I was pleasantly surprised. Peter Mansbridge had Ignatieff (Dion’s stunt double apparently) flopping around like a dying fish when he challenged him on the “non-negotiable” demands of Grits. Ignatieff’s rationalized “we didn’t say we would abandon Afghanistan in’09, just Kandahar” was rich, especially when Mansbridge pointed out their position was to announce end of combat role in ’09 now, then hit him with Kyoto. Priceless.
Next came the panel. Actually, some great comments from Chantal Hebert, Alan Gregg and Andrew Coyne. Hebert is one of, if not the, smartest political pundit on the scene right now IMO, and she made some great points. She said Harper could now run a majority government from minority position, and wondered how long Dion could “run away from confidence votes,” especially given Coyne’s point that the Tories had crossed every line in the sand Grits drew. Gregg thought speech was excellent, with populist proposals mixed nicely with Tory issues, like killing Kyoto and Gun Registry. Coyne said Harper had crafted a “bulletproof” speech, and thus parliamentary session.
The general concensus of the group, including Mansbridge, was, that by supporting Throne Speech, Dion was simply delaying parliamentary reckoning when issues of Crime bill (with Grits on record as hating) Gun Registry and Kyoto come up as confidence issues.
Harper is all over the opposition and the MSM is finally getting that. Dion is so inept he couldn’t even speak for himself last night, maybe because half Throne Speech was in English, who knows.
Layton was hilarious too, especially when Mansbridge asked him if he favoured election, given he would vote against government on confidence. Unsurprisingly, he didn’t answer the question, even when asked a second time.
Harper has learned his lessons well, and Dion and Grits just delaying their inevitable defeat at election by not defeating Throne Speech. We do live in interesting times.
I’m no fan of the CBC, but in this case, they did a great job.
“To you progressive true-green believers still worshipping at the altar of Kyoto – how’s that working for you?”
It’s not a bother. Federal elections don’t need to be annual affairs and right now I prefer Canada to be governed by a minority government.
Ahhh good, I was not the only one to see the,
“a non-partisan media person” quote……….
Kate you really need to add smilies to the comment section. That one almost requires by law a ROTFLMAO.
Stephen Harper has effectively neutered the Liberals and will have about six months to get some legislation passed. Next spring the Liberals will have to decide whether to bring down the government or their leader, and choosing the first option is probably the simplest way to bring about the second.
As for Kyoto, it was DOA from the moment it became obvious that the US Senate wasn’t going to ratify it and that Bill Clinton wasn’t going to spend any political capital fighting for it. Al Gore and his goofy freshman crusade resurrected Kyoto as a media sensation, but no serious political leader whose country was in a position to make a difference did anything except make more speeches for the cameras. The world is about to move on, and even assuming it moves on to Hillary Clinton, don’t count on her giving political mouth-to-mouth to one of Al Gore’s pet projects.
Besides, stephen and western, pollution doesn’t provide the apocalyptic hysteria. Global warming does, aka, the fiery descent to Hell. You don’t get your emotional highs from dealing with pollution; cool people just continue to throw garbage on the street for someone else to pick up.
Yes, Layton’s agenda is pure partisan politics; he wants an election NOW because he figures the NDP will pick up seats from the Liberals.
Duceppe’s agenda is also partisan politics; he figures he’ll lose less seats NOW to the CPC than a later election.
Neither party is interested in the well-being of Canadians.
Dion? Same thing. What the Liberal Party and their handmaidens, the MSM, seem fixated on, is returning the Natural Governing Party to power. Both are stunned by being out of power; they have no idea how to act as a professional Opposition. After all, the role of the Opposition is not to knee-jerk Oppose but to critique, which means, to critically review govt proposals. That means that they might actually agree with and applaud those proposals.
The Liberal Party and MSM have, right from day one of Harper’s election, been focused on one issue only. An election. To return to power. Neither have any agenda or policies for the well-being of Canada. Just power.
If Dion were a genuine leader, he would know that this is a vital period for the Liberals. They were moved, by Chretien, out of any requirement for policies, and have, over the past decade, focused only on manipulating and even buying, the public, for their votes. No policies.
Without access to the federal monies, the Liberals are revealed as ideologically empty. No policies.
The Liberal party has to take some ‘time out’ to not merely restructure itself, but to develop itself as a genuine political party with a clear set of policies rather than an exclusive cabal of power.
They are, rather than taking this ‘time out’, acting either mechanically (DION: We Ought To Be In Power and if you knew how clever and nice I was, you’d realize this)and focusing around purely utopian agendas that belong in the semainar room (Kyoto, no wars, love people and they won’t commit crimes, etc). Or latching on to the outdated centralist and disastrous socialist policies of Trudeau.
A wise Liberal leader would reject any and all elections, focus on being a Critical rather than Mechanical Opposition, and work like mad to build the party into one that has a legitimate set of pragmatic policies.
But the Liberals, accustomed to operate only within the safe haven of power, are empty and stumbling. They aren’t used to dealing with a party and leader that has the strengths of integrity and policies.
right now I prefer Canada to be governed by a minority government.
Especially when the Conservatives can effectively govern as a majority with a minority.
Now that’s free enterprise efficiency. Adapt and overcome, heh
If the PM & conservatives were sitting low in the polls & looked like a non-oiled machine the libs would be going for an election. The libs don’t give a rats A** as to the cost to the country of an election it is all about power. Unfortantly for the libs the scenario is reversed they are the ones sitting in the low #’s incl. their leader, so unless Dion performs a miracle they are stuck there & they know it. The dion haters in the libs don’t care about a cost including a loss of seats as long as dion loses and then they can boot him.
I do think though that we will see either a call for a dion leadership review in the new year or for Dion to just up & up resign if there is no change or another drop in public opinion of dion & the libs. The pressure on dion over the next few months will be tremendous.
So why did Harper replace Ambrose? She said this long ago. She was right but lost so the CPC could play up the Kyoto crowd. A lot of lost time and money to come to the same conclusion that any thinking person already knew.
Unfortunately Ms. Ambrose was an early sacrifice to satisfy the media. You won’t see anything like that happening again.
She took one for the team. You will see her back.
Unfortunately Ms. Ambrose was an early sacrifice to satisfy the media. You won’t see anything like that happening again.
She took one for the team. You will see her back.
As long as the one world government crowd stays away from grabbing power through violent means, we’ll be just fine.
Most enjoyable thru all this,was watching the always outraged Goodale almost blow smoke out his ears!Is there anything Conservative that doesn’t set this guy off into a stammering tizzy? I honestly would love to know,if he believes his own spin.John McCallum looked a lovely shade of green as well,when interviewed.Truly ‘cringeworthy’
Just think: before the advent of blogs one might encounter a Jason Cherniak in life and wonder “is this guy always like that?”.
His blog and countless others provide a window into the minds of some pretty unique individuals, a window that previously didn’t exist, and that insight is more valuable than a year’s subscription to the Globe and Mail.
“Neither have any agenda or policies for the well-being of Canada. Just power.”
“have, over the past decade, focused only on manipulating and even buying, the public, for their votes. No policies.”
“Without access to the federal monies, the Liberals are revealed as ideologically empty. No policies.”
“They aren’t used to dealing with a party and leader that has the strengths of integrity and policies.”
ET,
Your messages are good, but after you make your point, you continue to make it and continue to make it and continue to make it and continue to make it and continue to make it and continue to make it.
Do you just like keyboarding?
Are you trying to say the Liberals lack policies?
We agree on that point(s)!
The point that ET makes that I agree with is that Dion’s Liberals should critique then vote to accept. Being negative for the sake of negativity is a no win situation and will only alienate.
Kate, your taunting Na, Na, Na, Na … Na, Na, Na, Na, is a Liberal trait that only brings you to a new low! If you want to influence people stick to the high ground.
Cherniak will be missed – his blog was good for a laugh…maybe he has a future in comedy?
In Ontario at the last election, the Greens did quite well. In my riding, in the yuppy socialist areas. They also got a protest Conservative vote, those that didn’t have the energy to protest by sitting on their backside 🙂
The roughly 15% drop in turnout was Conservatives stayin away in droves.
Kate does stick to the high ground. Always.
The death of the biggest scam the world has ever seen deserves a lot of Na, Na, …
Especially when one considers where it all began —– Oak Lake, Manitoba.
Cherniak: “I clearly cannot work for a newspaper as long as I am a partisan Liberal”.
Doesn’t seem to hinder the employment of Delacourt, Travers, et al at the Star…
ET, and they are also broke.
It’ll be up to Desmarais and the-guy-who-hides-in-China to bail them out.
[TGWHIC is Maurice Strong]
Well before we get all warm and fuzzy over the death of Kyoto…let’s be honest little conservatives shall we…
Harper really sent a mixed message here…he essentially delegitimized Kyoto as a AGW “solution” then in the same breath validates Anthropic climate change science by saying it should be a government priority to deal man made GHG emission…which is the fraudulent core of AGW…so I don’t really see where May loses here….Kyoto carbon taxing and credit buying is dead but funneling either tax money or subsidies at AGW are still alive with the Harper government…or so they say.
I’d have felt much more assured in Harper’s judgement/agenda if he totally denounced GHG and AGW and “climate” as environmental priorities….concentrate on particulate pollution of air/land/water and ditch this sham about chasing cO2 boogymen around the atmosphere for fun and profit.
If you bury Kyoto you have to bury the scaremongering fraudulent science that spawned it.
“Cherniak will be missed – his blog was good for a laugh…maybe he has a future in comedy?”
Sure. He could be Rick Mercer’s “Straight Man”.
the real threats from global warming persist whether kyoto targets in this country are reached or not.
senseless gloating over a simple-minded minority govt’s decision to toss aside international law won’t change the truth.
now that kate mcmillan has declared kyoto officially dead, will her monthly contributions continue to roll in?
i’ve noticed that traffic has dropped here sunstantially of late.
the gun lobby has deep pockets. with law and order hysteria set to preoccupy the dull minds of reform voters, expect more posts about pistols around here.
WLMR
I agree on the scam aspect of AGW but the hype perpetrated by the leftards is akin to flying public opinion towards the center of a supercell.
A dangerous place to go and the only correct course is a 180. In rough air the safest 180 is a rate one turn, 10 degrees of bank and bring her around smooth and steady.
I trust the pilot.
Regarding the Elvin one….I will miss the unintentional satire.
Syncro
Kate, perhaps if you’d read quotes of May, you’d not get the wrong picture of what she thinks from a paper that can’t be bothered to dig into details.
http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/17.10.2007
Harper gave half-information in the speech, so that he can say he wasn’t lying when he does nothing, but if he does do anything he can take credit. Weaselly is an adjective that comes to mind.
OOpps!! I stand corrected…..It appears Jeff is prepared to fill Jason’s belled slippers.
Syncro
Please do not dismiss the lying libranos too quickly. They are masters at manipulating the sheeple(read Ontario), and they have Pravda and the Red Star on their team. In my riding, they consistently garner near 50% of the vote, federally or provincially. They could run a monkey(or close to it)and still win.
“(S)enseless gloating over a simple-minded minority govt’s decision to toss aside international law won’t change the truth.”
By all means Jeff, tell us the “truth.” I guess it depends on what “international law” (which a first year political science student knows is anarchic, and therefore useless), you wish us to follow. Governments abrogate treaties from time to time; especially ridiculously stupid ones like Kyoto, which will actually increase pollution (the real stuff, not Gore’s hot air – the planet has a fever crap). Would it be OK to leave Afghanistan right now, Jeff. Or Free Trade. Just asking, Jeff.
WLMR, though Kyoto is dead, what’s wrong with Canada, as an energy superpower, being at forefront of developing clean non-carbon fuel technologies. That would make sense wouldn’t it?
W.L.M.,
You speak the truth about the Ghg BS but your impatience would make you a bad political strategist…Many many morons out there who don’t bother seaking the truth and are fed crap by the usual fat suspects and B.C. fruitflies.
Harper is on the same page here…smog and polution is most of what is to expect. See, I just uncovered one of the secrets from the evil right wing Harper agenda. 😉
jeff:
The Liberal Party in Quebec used to have deep pockets, too.
Then, it suddenly became bankrupt when it no longer had access to taxpayer’s money.
Hold your breath and save the planet.