Be sure to pack a headscarf. ‘Cause that’s coming, too.
North Shore Tax driver Behzad Saidy refused to take Bruce Gilmour and his dog from a West Vancouver coffee shop to Gilmour’s Vancouver home in January 2006, saying his Muslim religion prevented him from associating with dogs because they’re “unclean.”
In addition to paying Gilmour $2,500, the taxi company was required to implement a policy for transporting blind people and their guide dogs.
It’s against the law for cab drivers not to transport blind people with guide dogs, but a settlement agreement between Gilmour and the taxi company says an exception to that law would be a Muslim driver refusing to transport a dog because of religious beliefs.
Via Mark Steyn, who (as you might expect) has more commentary. As do BCF and Shaidle
Update – Damian Brooks – “Steyn may well be right, but the case he’s chosen to highlight doesn’t make his point.”.
Update II – BCF says “not so fast….”
As far as comments such as:
“As far as dogs being “unclean,” have you ever taken a cab driven by a muslim? Most of these people are filthy. They stink to high heaven.”
and
“I would pit the cleanliness of my dog against the cleanliness of the Muslim cabdriver anytime – and almost always win”
give me a break. I work with a few Muslims, and have dealt with many of them in the service jobs I’ve held over the years. I’d say, if anything, I’d characterize them generally as being fastidiously clean. Maybe there’s something to driving a cab that makes people sweat, but I don’t think it has anything to do with being Muslim.
That said, I do think the cabdriver should be obliged to take the passenger. If they are objecting due to their Muslim beliefs, I have a simple suggestion. When they get their license, they should have the opportunity to self-identify as Muslims.
If they do, their vehicle should have special markings, and they should not be allowed to carry women without headscarves, blind people with dogs, anyone carrying pork, etc.
I suspect business concerns would soon trump religious ones.
The real terrorists in Canada are the HRT and the lawmakers that foist this on us. I thought it was the ‘terrorists’ who were ‘going to change our way of life’? Therefore, the definition of ‘terrorist’ is those that do not follow our laws and culture. So, in effect, our governments allowing HRTs and stupid court rulings are the real terrorists?
So Jimbo, your personal experiences trump other people’s personal experiences because… yours are nicer?
Otherwise you sound pretty smart.
ET
You are correct in your assessment of the underlying problem at the constitutional level (the Charter) but changing that in Canada requires nation-wide impetus. Finding real conservatives or classical liberals and getting them elected and passing the (not turning pink or green) litmus test is enough of a challenge.
However, getting North Van for example to deregulate the taxi licensing monopoly is much more feasible. Allowing jitneys such as No-Jihadist Cabs, Rag-Top Cabs, Christian Cabs, White-Trash Discount Cabs, etc, could solve (at least a small step) with a free market at a local level what is an entrenched disgrace (Trudeau’s poison pill) at the National level. New cabs could pop up faster than the PC gestapos could catch up to the old ones.
the taxi company should make it clear to their drivers that a condition of employment is observing canadian law. it seems to me that this is a basic human rights violation.
however, painting all muslims in the same light is irresponsible.
as usual, the SDA faithful salivate at the opportunity to express their hatred of muslims based on an isolated incident.
ET, it’s not simplistic, it’s elegant. Who says you actually have to have a dog with you?
Jeff. No-one hates Muslims. We hate the bell clanging, suicide bombing, jihad fighting, sharia enforcing, clitoral circumcising, hand chopping islamonutjobs. Once again, the onus is on the “moderate” Muslim to come out against the extremists as well.
This religion of pieces gains more and more power in our country everyday. It will be interesting when they start taking at their buddies on the left. When the muslims do take at the left, I suggest everyone stand back, and let them whack them, but good. It is all the polices of the left that the muslims hate us most for, and it is the left who protect and coddle them. We will take our country back from the muslims, but meanwhile let us enjoy as they tear down the social structure of the left. Any female out there up for a game of same sex marriage at the mosque? They couldn’t deny us could they? I’ll convert for a good fucking laugh.
Maybe jeffy should go to one of those muslim countries and see if he can change some of there laws.LOL
Aug 15, 2007 05:43 PM
Canadian Press
VANCOUVER – The North Vancouver Fire Department has agreed to pay a blind Vancouver man $2,500 after one of its firefighters refused to rescue the man from a burning building because he was accompanied by his guide dog.
North Shore Firefighter Behzad Saidy refused to rescue Bruce Gilmour and his dog from a burning West Vancouver coffee shop in January 2006, saying his Muslim religion prevented him from associating with dogs because they’re “unclean.”
Gilmour then filed a complaint with the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal.
In addition to paying Gilmour $2,500, the North Shore Fire Department was required to implement a policy for rescuing blind people and their guide dogs.
It’s against the law for firefighters not to rescue blind people with guide dogs, but a settlement agreement between Gilmour and the Fire Department says an exception to that law would be a Muslim firefighter refusing to rescue a dog because of religious beliefs.
But the policy says the firefighter has to call dispatch for the next available fire truck and stay with the blind person and guide dog until that rescue fire truck arrives.
We hate the bell clanging, suicide bombing, jihad fighting, sharia enforcing, clitoral circumcising, hand chopping islamonutjobs
i don’t know of many reasonable people who have much affection for this group regardless of their political stripes.
that being said, there seems to be an awful lot of commentors who are prepared to view all muslims in the same way.
Well jeffy thats because they keep playing that religion card.if there way of life and religion is so good why did they come here.
Jeff, do you see a whack of muslims standing up against the bell clanging, suicide bombing, jihad fighting, sharia enforcing, clitoral circumcising, hand chopping islamonutjobs?
I don’t
…reminds me of the farce of a Legion convention they had in Calgary back in 1994 (i think).
It was a big debate on whether or not Sheik’s would be allowed to wear their head coverings inside a legion. It was voted against.
Now remember these are the same Sheiks who fought alongside us in WW2.
But the real irony was, this band of old fogies would meet at the Roundup Centre and then take taxi’s from there to lunch at various Legion’s around town.
They must have booked with a taxi company (can’t remember the name) but all the taxi drivers waiting in line to pick up the attendee’s were Pakki or Shieks, all with turbans.
I had to laugh, there is a God.
Talk about double standard these ol’ crusties are. I lost my respect for Legion types that day.
They would be crying if they lost your respect tomax7. You are the type that is not be fit to kiss the ground they walk on.
Tomax7 you old leftoid moonbat . . that’s “Sikhs”
Sheiks are condoms you bubble headed morn.
Kathy Shaidle said: “So Jimbo, your personal experiences trump other people’s personal experiences because… yours are nicer?”
From my perspective, if I’ve had a lot of experiences with Muslims, and they differ dramatically from what I’m hearing from some of the posters, then, yes, they will trump – they would have to.
Sometimes I struggle to contain my anger at Muslims in general when there are so many atrocities committed in the name of Allah. I get pissed off too. There’s a difference between bending over backwards to accomodate someone, and bending over forwards if you catch my drift.
However in my office I work within 20 feet of four Muslims every day. They have similar lives, and similar concerns as mine. They’re hockey fans, or soccer moms, or collect cookbooks, or practical jokers, etc.
Every time I feel my anger against Muslims start to rise, I think of them. And every time I read a post saying how they smell, or some other demeaning comment, I’m embarrassed.
I believe Edmonton was home to North America’s first Mosque – built more than 100 years ago, with the help of Christians and Jews. The Muslims here have helped build this city. I’m not familiar with any atrocity, big or small, committed here in that entire period.
I’m only pointing this out to provide my perspective, and perhaps a little balance.
Tomax7 you old leftoid moonbat . . that’s “Sikhs”
Sheiks are condoms you bubble headed moron.
tomax7 —
At least the old-fogie legion-types had the sense to refer to the gentlemen in question for who they were — Sikhs, not Sheiks.
..and tomax7, I know something about muslims. I know they have no respect, I mean nothing, for cowardly whining leftoids. They hate you weak cowardly whiney leftoids more than they do dogs. You are lower than a dog or a pig in the eyes of a muslim. They’ll come for you long before they will come for us.
Well jeffy thats because they keep playing that religion card.if there way of life and religion is so good why did they come here.
probably for the same reasons so many eastcoasters move to alberta…
btw, it’s geoffie…
I agree that the personal insults(they smell, all are bad) are out of line. Our ire should be focused on the extremists, whether Christian or Muslim. But let’s not try to pretend that they are not in our midst. If not for the undercover work of a moderate Imam, and the excellent work of the RCMP, we could have had a bloody mess on our hands. BTW, I love the idea of a lesbian wedding in a mosque. Good one Honey Pot.
Related to the Muslim ‘unclean’ dog belief:
national animal rights group PETA on Wednesday condemned a “shocking and sickening” video clip produced by a Hamas-run TV station and posted on the YouTube Web site that showed the abuse of animals.
PETA said it would protest to the TV station over the program that showed animals being abused as part of a program aimed at teaching children not to hurt animals.
The clip prompted scores of complaints from viewers worldwide.
“It’s shocking and sickening,” said Martin Mersereau, manager of the domestic animal abuse division of U.S.-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA). Mersereau said PETA was drafting a letter of protest to the Gaza-based Al-Aqsa television station.
See the video @ YouTube. If you can stomach it.
It seems everybody, including PETA, are seeing who the real animals are.
Well, Honey Pot you may know something about muslims but you know nothing about posting your comments only once
So Jimbo, the conversation here is about a muslim cab driver in Vancouver who believes dogs to be unclean (part of his religious beliefs) and some of us who have had many experiences in Vancouver and other cities, find it not unusual that muslim cab drivers are not particularly hygenic themselves.
So unless the four muslim co workers that surround you are surrounding you in your cab related job in Vancouver, I would say you are talking through your hat.
As for Jeff Davidson he of the comment
“however, painting all muslims in the same light is irresponsible.”
“as usual, the SDA faithful salivate at the opportunity to express their hatred of muslims based on an isolated incident.”
Please Jeff look closely at your statement and tell me if you don’t see just a little bit of irony.
So Jimbo, the conversation here is about a muslim cab driver in Vancouver who believes dogs to be unclean (part of his religious beliefs) and some of us who have had many experiences in Vancouver and other cities, find it not unusual that muslim cab drivers are not particularly hygenic themselves.
So unless the four muslim co workers that surround you are surrounding you in your cab related job in Vancouver, I would say you are talking through your hat.
As for Jeff Davidson he of the comment
“however, painting all muslims in the same light is irresponsible.”
“as usual, the SDA faithful salivate at the opportunity to express their hatred of muslims based on an isolated incident.”
Please Jeff look closely at your statement and tell me if you don’t see just a little bit of irony.
LOL half the west is eastcoasters, but we dont try to change the law of canada.jeffy
“And every time I read a post saying how they smell, or some other demeaning comment, I’m embarrassed.”
It’s not “out-of-line,” or anything else. I live in Toronto and often take cabs, like everybody else downtown. I didn’t make a blanket statement saying all Muslims stink, since they obviously don’t. However, in Toronto, a lot of the cab drivers do. ‘Wreak’ is probably more appropriate.
The cabs also have a printed card in the car stating that the customer is entitled to a clean cab. I would assume clean means clean.
This is a fact, not prejudice.
Since when can’t facts be stated here? Is the truth not PC enough when it comes to some topics?
I stated this in response to the cab driver in question saying that in Islam, ‘dogs are unclean.’ The question is, whose calling the kettle black?
Also, Mohammad was informed by Gabriel that angels would not enter a house with a dog in it, because they are unclean. This is where this fable comes from, carried on by the weak minded.
Well said, Jimbo. I served with many Canadian Muslims in the armed forces and found them to be outstanding in every respect. After 9/11, several volunteered for duty with Naval task forces in the Gulf, acting outside their normal MOCs as interpreters and communicators.
Their families didn’t come to Canada as some sort of 5th column invasion. They came seeking a better life, and many enlisted as a way of paying back the country that offered them a new home. In many ways, I think these immigrants offer the best hope for defeating the radicals as they learn to cherish freedom (including freedom of religion). Muslims immigrants were among the strongest voices opposing the proposed use of Shariah in civic arbitration in Ontario a few years ago.
When the cake is stolen a crumb at a time, it takes a good long while to notice that the cake is shrinking.
Radical Islam is stealing our cake, one crumb at time, abetted by the idiots in this country that pawn themselves off as journalists.
I fully expect the cake is gone past the point of no return before either the MSM or our political leaders react appropriately to this obvious trend. (What is appropriate? At this point, the message, loud and clear, that we are on to you and will not submit, is appropriate).
It’s a clever strategy by a patient enemy.
I would ask these MSM fools to perform a little exercise of the imagination, if they are able, to project forward in time, and ponder the conclusion they may draw from the sigma of the many more crumbs that will be taken.
Radical Islam is not secretive about its agenda. Wake up.
Actually jeffy, people are not so much expressing their hatred of Muslims as their dismay at our judicial system bending over and spreading for them at the least little thing.
Guy doesn’t want to carry dogs in his cab? No problem! Get a new job guy, one that doesn’t involve cabs or dogs. You wanna drive the cab? Put up with the dog!
That’s the Canada I grew up in. This new place we are in now, this is f-ed up.
Guy doesn’t want to carry dogs in his cab? Well, the BC Human Rights Tribunal says you can’t fire this guy just because he can’t/won’t do the job you hired him for! You have to allow this guy to refuse service, AND tie up his cab (at no money!) while they wait for another cab to get there and do the job he can’t/won’t do. Oh, but you still have to pay him. And the customer still has to wait.
That is f-ing stupid, and would not exist without legions of morons like jeff (Lower Case) davidson whinging and pueling that I’m a racist for objecting to it.
Speaking of objections and racism jeffy, I notice that nobody had anything to say about that “sterilize the brown people” quote from your fellow ‘tard I left on your blog.
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Does that mean its ok if we start the Save The World Through Mass Sterilization campaign in the Middle East instead of Sub-Saharan Africa. I mean, one brown person is as good as another when it comes to saving Mommy Earth by paring off 3 billion people, right?
ward, islamophobia is rampant among many readers @ SDA. this is hardly breaking news.
there are many responsible commentors obviously. the problem is, the commentary from the glaring assholes who are prepared to lump a billion or so people, based solely on their religion, into one group makes it difficult to have rational discourse.
in all seriousness, i think there is much more common ground between so-called leftards like me and some of the more (ahem) conservative types.
for example,i absolutely oppose the notion of sharia law in canada. i agree entirely that this cabbie should not be excused from transporting a guide dog because of ridiculous ideas about dogs cleanliness.
suggestions that muslims, who come from all over the planet and have different cultural norms depending on where exactly, are dirty, smelly barbarians who want to cut our collective throats is beyond paranoid.
if the aim of this post was to point how our desire to appease canadian muslims creates inequitites among others, so be it. it’s a fair observation. mindless name-calling and wild generalizations do nothing to advance the discussion.
phantom,
huh? you want to hold me accountable for someone else’s position?
it gets back to this left/right thing. because you consider me and albatross to be leftards, we therefore share the same opinions on every issue?
Wouldn’t this work for taxi cab drivers who refuse to transport homosexuals because of religious beliefs?
Doctors have the right to refuse to perform abortions, so why can’t a pharmacist refuse to fill a prescription for the morning-after-pill, both have the same result. Let’s face it, a doctor or a pharmacist would be an accessory to murder according to their beliefs….some people don’t want to carry that burden and nor should they have to. I don’t ever remember voting on legalizing abortion or the morning-after-pill; it doesn’t seem like the laws reflect how all people feel about issues in society.
I hate to let you people in on this, but there are certain Muslims who refuse to use toilet paper and use their hand; they keep a bucket of water by the toilet and rinse off their hand. The only good thing is they use only one hand; unfortunately, the bad thing is I’m not sure which hand that is.
The Muslim cab driver should not be in that line of profession; a lot of people have to chose jobs where their beliefs are not tested. Some Christians will not work on Sundays, so it wouldn’t make sense for them to take a job where they are expected to work Sundays, and then refuse to work on Sundays due to religious beliefs. People make concessions all the time in their lives; maybe this dude would be better off in airport security……not even funny, but a sad reality. In the case of the pharmacist, the morning-after-pill is fairly new, the laws should make concessions in this case.
Tomax7, the Sikhs I know would have set the dog on this cretin. And that’s just the chicks!
Sikh chicks have temper! I speak from personal experience. ~:D
This is probably why this particular cab cretin decided to try it on with a blind White guy, he knew most of the other visible minorities would drag his sorry a– out of the cab and stomp on him.
Too bad the blind guy didn’t have a ham sandwitch to fling at him.
From Muslim #5248
Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.
Well jeffie, its just that when presented with a statement as gawd-awfull as that one, if it was made by a fellow ‘tard none of You People ever seem to summon up even a feeble objection.
But let somebody say Muslim cab drivers in Toronto often smell bad and you are ALL OVER IT.
Just something I’ve noticed about y’all. Where I come from (Ontario) we call this being full of s–t.
My point Irwin Daisy and Ward seem to be missing is that the smell has to do with the nature of their job, not their religious beliefs.
Irwin Daisy, you did not just refer to cab drivers in general, note: “have you ever taken a cab driven by a muslim? Most of these people are filthy”, and in the same post; “We must end muslim immigration”. I think it’s easy to see where you’re coming from here.
It’s not being overly politically correct to point out what I believe are overtly racist statements that say a lot more about you than they do about Muslims. You, obviously, don’t know very many Muslims.
If you made an effort to get to know some, I’m sure, being reasonable people, you’d lighten up a little. Until you do, then you’re the one’s “talking through your hat”.
If they are so freaked out about pigs why don’t we drop a 12 ton Jimmy Dean Sausage roll on them?
This is not my line, but hey, equip our soldiers with pork chops and send over a whack of black rotweillers to help them root the terrorist out.
phantom,
i don’t accept responsibility for a comment that i disagree with from an individual i’ve never exchanged as much as a word with. pretty straight-forward.
The Archangel Gabriel won’t come into the house if there’s a dog? What, he doesn’t want to get dog hair on his kaftan? Afraid he might get bit by the floppy puppy?
Allergies?
I have got to get me another dog. Maybe two. Biiiig dogs. Gonna train them to stick their heads in cab windows and drool on the guy. Nothing like a giant drooly dog nose I always say. ~:D
Jeff: you say its wrong to generalize and yet you went ahead and did so yourself, and rather glaringly so.
Nowhere did I generalize against the global muslim population — not that I would be against doing so i.e. there is no loud “moderate” muslim voice to check that of the radical imams who seem to be pushing harder and harder at dismantling the foundations of Western society, ergo they support the radicalism that is performed in their name. I’ll lump 95% of muslims under that banner.
Maybe thats why theres no moderate voice. Every “advance” the radicals make benefits the “moderates”.
Bonus question: Do muslims “lump” western society into one group?
Actually Jimbo, all of my neighbors (save one) are muslim and my sister was married to a muslim for 15 years. So don’t presume anything on my behalf. I have lots of experience with the muslim community.
Also,just because you’re nice does not mean you practice good hygiene. As for blaming it on the job, thats just weak.
I goofed, it was the Target story I was thinking about. How long before all stores have the same problem. Re the taxi, if one does not want a muslim driver, just have a bottle of liquor in sight when you look for one. I recently watched several visitors/released patients, trying to get a taxi at a hospital entrance. Two drivers refused to drive up for those waiting. Even those who had phoned for a taxi were refused, as no one come.
I would love for all human rights (wrongs) tribunals to be abolished. While doing that, cancell the whole charter.
‘course not jeffie, you just let it sit there and smell up your blog for a week and never say a word.
Its called silent consent. Had you cared even a fig you’d have said something, heaven knows you never shut up over here. Apparently things are only bad and mean if a Conservative says them, so far as your actions are concerned.
That’s why we think Lefties are scum, jeffie. Because that’s how the Left operates and its a scummy way to be.
“This is not my line, but hey, equip our soldiers with pork chops and send over a whack of black rotweillers to help them root the terrorist out.”
How would you do that by the numbers, Honey Pot?
“First squad, prepare to fling porchops! And… wait for it!!! FLING! Second squad, RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!”
The doings of brown idiots in cabs are of little consequence to me. The last time I called for a cab I specified a white driver and made no bones about it.
I know many dogs that are a helluva lot cleaner than some of the imported mutts that drive the cabs these days. At least, they smell cleaner.
Screw the moslems. Two can play that game. To hell with the lot of them.
ward, islamophobia is rampant among many readers @ SDA
Hey, jeff, fear of Islam is a not uncommon among reasonable people the world, especially if you are unlucky enough to be a kaffir living in close proximity to them as in Dafur, Nigeria, a coptic Christian in Egypt, an Assyrian Christian in Iraq or a Christian living in Bethlehem or Nazareth, Indonesia, or a Jew on the streets of Paris, etc. They all have their easy to Google atrocites to tell, but, then, you get my point.
Fear, my friend, or reasonable caution is hard wired into the brain as a survival mechanism. Paranoia isn’t a bad thing either, unless it’s directed at the harmless and illogical as with Paranoid Schizophrenia, it has saved us from predators and those that would harm us.
The hard evidence, looking at Islam’s behavior towards kaffirs, the body count to date, and the rhetoric of Islam would make a rational non-Muslim person fearful. So either there is much to fear from Islam based on those facts or the facts are incorrect. Whichever, pick your position, but, don’t try to cop some moral superiority. Your virtucratic posturing is getting old.
Oh, and, Muslims may have different cultural norms, but, they share the same religion, that’s underscored among global terrorists whose country of origin are so varied.
Just do away with the law that dictates who must be transported in a taxi. We’ll sort it out ourselves.
Until that great event, however, don’t give this cab company your business. And let them know why.
The market still has power. Use it.
You say “nowhere do I generalize against the global muslim population?”
C’mon Ward, snap out of it. 95% support radical Islamists, and they all stink? And you know, for sure, because you’re surrounded by them, and your sister was married to one for 15 years?
Maybe you’ve met some bad ones, or maybe you’ve had poor experiences with Muslims due to the fact you’re a racist prick and an asshole.
I don’t throw the racist tag around wildly, and I’m not particularly “politically correct.” I do believe we need to stand up for Canadian values, and that people who immigrate to Canada should live by them.
However, suggesting Muslims have poor hygiene and stink, use their bare hands in place of toilet paper, etc.., turns my stomach and serves no purpose but to fuel hatred.
I’m looking at a good friend (and Muslim) that I work with as I type. I can’t even mention some of what passes for civilized discourse among some posters here. It’s disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.