Yeah, I just want to second Jimbo there. I don’t know if it’s the heat or the humidity, but some of the comments makes you feel like you’ve stumbled onto a meeting of twelve year-olds in a tree fort.
All you putative conservatives here who think you’re defending “our side” by attacking anyone with a different thought, and calling them names, well, you’re not; you’re taking a big crap in the community watering hole, and pretty much wrecking the comments section.
If you really want to be part of a community who has an identical set of beliefs, join a commune.
It’s a forum, stupid, not a conservative swimming pool. And how can you admonish others not to crap in the pool as you call everyone else 12 year olds?
The story I read about this execution was that the gentleman that was swinging from the rope had participated in the murder of a Judge. Not too many countries in the world where thats legal, so I’m willing to go with Iran on that part of it at least. Hard to tell in a country like Iran if he received a fair trial, or if there was some just reason why this gentleman decided killing a judge was a good idea.
On the other hand, showing young girl that kind of violence at a young age is disgusting. Its bound to cause all sorts of psychological problems, and its child abuse.
The only other place where you might find that kind of a disgusting display being shown to children is in your local movie theater. Perhaps we in the west aren’t as superior as we thought.
Look, Jim @ 11:49 et al, the point is that if people like you run around calling people stupid, or leftards, or pansy ass, then people who are interested in intelligently discussing the topic are driven away by the low signal to noise ratio that you cause. In that regard your behaviour is childish, which was I believe EBD’s point. The community at hand is not some sort of putative conservatives, the community is Small Dead Animals.
Grow up.
Count me as another conservative who is very much against capital punishment.
In Iran or Canada or Texas. I’m agin’ it.
Kookie pro-lifer, I guess.
John Kerry tried to look like a conservative he even blabbering about hunting elk or deer with a SHOT GUN what a idiot you hunt deer with a 30- 06 you hunt ducks with a 12 gauge and while kery is huntin quail with a pop-gun the quials with be making faces at him SQUAWK SQUAWK
Iran’s government needs and deserves a conventional degrading more than Saddam’s, and most know it…
I find it interesting that those who advocate capital punishment are also often the same people who have low degree of confidence in our judicial system.
If on one hand we complain about the inefficiency of our laws, the judges and even the abilities of the police, how is it we can then be so confident in a conviction of murder obtained by that system? How do we justify our bi-polar views on this subject?
Personally I am all for capital punishment if we can be reasonably sure that the judiciary is accurate. I am not convinced the system is free enough from corruption or incompetence to risk killing to many of the wrong people.
On another note it is a tactic of the left to brand all those that disagree with them as idiots and un-Canadian, I would hope that the conservatives of Canada would avoid that pitfall. If we of all people cannot be civilized then what hope is there?
“I don’t know if I would call that a hanging, looks more like a choking to my eyes.”
While it’s not for me to decide the punishment meted out in foreign countries – assuming true guilt is a given – justice should not include barbarity.
I’ve just seen a video of two men and a woman (in full chador) being hung together – and I wish I hadn’t. The three were raised from the ground by crane and thus were choked to death rather than ‘hung’ by a sufficient drop. The poor woman had her hands tied behind her and she writhed and twitched until death.
All while the crowd shouted ‘Allah Akbar’. Texas justice – Iranian justice, all the same I guess, if you’re just considering the outcome and not the method.
spurwing plover: “John Kerry tried to look like a conservative he even blabbering about hunting elk or deer with a SHOT GUN …”
I not sure what hunting has to do with this thread. But just to set the record straight … in Canada we have (or used to have) shotgun seasons (usually with the bow season or muzzle load) for deer. You had to use slugs.
Kerry, I believe, was stating he was a a hunter … I have no problem with that.
Vitruvius, if you are going to act like an idiot people will call you one. It’s the way of the world. I haven’t called anyone here any names.
Yet.
But rest assured, when dealing with liberals names like tard and loser are quite appropriate. Forgive me if I don’t accept you as an authority figure among the conservative community.
Me, I’m with Eeyore. Wow.
One last time. It is mind blowing (to say the least) that any person with a reasonable education could come on here and state that Iran and Texas are morally equivalent. Texas can change with an election, Iran on the other hand could use a good carpet bombing.
It is a choking. Any civilized country that still hangs, Japan for instance, uses a long drop so things are over quickly.
@jeff davidson (10:21 PM):
I have one question. How was that confession obtained? (You do recall, I hope, that there was a good reason why trial by ordeal was thrown out centuries ago in Western civilization.)
@every supporter of capital punishment:
Back in early 1960, the government of Prime Minister John Diefenbaker commuted the death sentence of Stephen Truscott. Had Diefenbaker not approved the commutation, the Government of Canada would have hung an innocent man.
I have a hunch that there’s a high correlation between “Diefenbaker admirer” and “opponent of capital punishment.”
@everyone: another question. Is moral equivalencing just a way to cover up ignorance with rhetoric?
With regard to capital punishment, it most definitely is not barbaric. The ancient Greeks, who were, in my opinion, the most civilized men the world has ever known, and who gave us the word barbarian to describe non-Greeks (specifically those coming from the Middle East), employed capital punishment, as every schoolboy knew before the “educators” took over our schools.
Posted by: Silicon Valley Jim at August 7, 2007 6:14 PM
Interesting. Considering that the capital punishment used in law by the Ancient Greeks was as prescribed in the “Draconic Code.” And in the Draconic code EVERY criminal offense was punishable by death. Yes very civilized indeed.
The very same civilized laws that resulted in the execution of Socrates. His crime? Being a vocal critic of the government of Athens. He dared question notions of “might makes right” and he lobbied for “considerations of justice” and “the pursuit of happiness.” It seems he was executed for daring to promote notions that are the basis of the US Constitution. What an evil criminal. You’re right to admire capital punishment under the Ancient Greeks.
And while we’re at it. Since the, “most civilized men the world has ever know,” believed in slavery I take it you think that’s a great idea too?
The very same civilized laws that resulted in the execution of Socrates. His crime? Being a vocal critic of the government of Athens. He dared question notions of “might makes right” and he lobbied for “considerations of justice” and “the pursuit of happiness.” It seems he was executed for daring to promote notions that are the basis of the US Constitution. What an evil criminal.
I’m quite aware that Socrates was executed; I was referring to that when I said that every schoolboy used to know that the Greeks employed capital punishment. You’re right to admire capital punishment under the Ancient Greeks. And while we’re at it. Since the, “most civilized men the world has ever know,” believed in slavery I take it you think that’s a great idea too?
Where did I say that I admired capital punishment? I noted that it was not barbaric, since the civilization that gave us the word “barbaric” to refer to others employed it. I never said that I admired it. Please respond to what I wrote, not to what you think or wish that I had written.
As for the Greeks, specifically the fifth-century BC Athenians, being the most civilized men the world has ever known, Athens, with a population (including slaves, of whom I was also aware, thank you) of approximately 200,000, was home to Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Thucydides, Herodotus, and Pericles, among others. You are certainly welcome to believe that there has been a greater society, but I’ll continue to disagree with you.
This is one of the worst threads I’ve seen here.
I might be wrong, but isn’t the topic about the Muslim parents exposing their little girl to a hanging, the way any other parents might expose their child to, I don’t know, Sesame Street, thus highlighting the obvious differences in what is considered a normal, healthy upbringing?
Kingstontard: Your attempt at moral relevance is pathetic, you idiot.
Doug: Your just a pansy ass masquerading as a conservative…
Justthinkin: Nice try Ried and jimbo,you useful idiots(troll is to nice a word for you clowns)
Ahhhh, I just love it — loooooooooove it — when SDA’ers eat their own.
FYI: turns out that this guy not only killed a judge, but also a cop and a bystander: 3w.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=472376&in_page_id=1811. As a lefty, I think he should’ve gotten probation plus free counseling and welfare cheques.
“isn’t the topic about the Muslim parents exposing their little girl to a hanging, the way any other parents might expose their child to, I don’t know, Sesame Street, thus highlighting the obvious differences in what is considered a normal, healthy upbringing?”
Yes “irwin daisy”, thanks for bringing that up.
From that article whose link A’dam supplied (thanks for doing so, A’dam):
“Kavoosifar confessed after a three hour interrogation to murdering the judge as part of a personal vendetta, according to judicial officials quoted by state media.”
I know Syria ain’t Iran, and Iran ain’t Syria, but if my recollection is accurate, both are Islamic republics. At least one of those two countries does not exactly have a “Western” record when it comes to observing the civil rights of the accused.
Hence my skepticism above. (General point to ponder: What if Arar had been strung up instead of jailed? How would he have acted?)
When it comes down to it, though, a line has to be drawn, and if the judgement of a foreign judge has no fishiness comong from it, there’s nothing that can be done about it with respect to indigenously-accepted civil rights violations.
As far as taking the kids to a hanging, I suspect that the indigenous culture there considers it to be part of the kids’ education in obedience to the State. For all I know, the Iranians would stick it in an Iranian analog to “Sesame Street,” with an age-appropriate moral attached.
Jeff, I take exception to your comments about Texas Justice being Sharia law. Maybe you want to come down here and try to discus it some time. I’ll even show you my permit to carry (concealed). Git R done!
Jeff, I take exception to your comments about Texas Justice being Sharia law. Maybe you want to come down here and try to discus it some time. I’ll even show you my permit to carry (concealed). Git R done!
Jeff, I take exception to your comments about Texas Justice being Sharia law. Maybe you want to come down here and try to discus it some time. I’ll even show you my permit to carry (concealed). Git R done!
What if with all the checks and balances we got the wrong guy for a hyenous crime and hanged him, just to realize that the real criminal is laughing around the corner? Too effin’ bad? Only someone who never lost a loved one due to a terrible mistake can advocate a capital punishment.
Abortion… It’s not abortion that is killing the WASP society – it’s the government policies that suppress the will of people to have more children. You’ve been tricked! You’ve been PWND by the leftartds in the government bureaucracy! It’s them who are corrupted by the commies and told what to do – that is to kill the industry in N. America and to move production to the commy states. The working class is becoming poorer, the wives have to go to work, childcare and child benefits are a joke and you have fewer babies… Open up your mind and you’ll get it – that’s what I tell my kids every night at the dojo…
Yeah, I just want to second Jimbo there. I don’t know if it’s the heat or the humidity, but some of the comments makes you feel like you’ve stumbled onto a meeting of twelve year-olds in a tree fort.
All you putative conservatives here who think you’re defending “our side” by attacking anyone with a different thought, and calling them names, well, you’re not; you’re taking a big crap in the community watering hole, and pretty much wrecking the comments section.
If you really want to be part of a community who has an identical set of beliefs, join a commune.
It’s a forum, stupid, not a conservative swimming pool. And how can you admonish others not to crap in the pool as you call everyone else 12 year olds?
The story I read about this execution was that the gentleman that was swinging from the rope had participated in the murder of a Judge. Not too many countries in the world where thats legal, so I’m willing to go with Iran on that part of it at least. Hard to tell in a country like Iran if he received a fair trial, or if there was some just reason why this gentleman decided killing a judge was a good idea.
On the other hand, showing young girl that kind of violence at a young age is disgusting. Its bound to cause all sorts of psychological problems, and its child abuse.
The only other place where you might find that kind of a disgusting display being shown to children is in your local movie theater. Perhaps we in the west aren’t as superior as we thought.
Look, Jim @ 11:49 et al, the point is that if people like you run around calling people stupid, or leftards, or pansy ass, then people who are interested in intelligently discussing the topic are driven away by the low signal to noise ratio that you cause. In that regard your behaviour is childish, which was I believe EBD’s point. The community at hand is not some sort of putative conservatives, the community is Small Dead Animals.
Grow up.
Count me as another conservative who is very much against capital punishment.
In Iran or Canada or Texas. I’m agin’ it.
Kookie pro-lifer, I guess.
John Kerry tried to look like a conservative he even blabbering about hunting elk or deer with a SHOT GUN what a idiot you hunt deer with a 30- 06 you hunt ducks with a 12 gauge and while kery is huntin quail with a pop-gun the quials with be making faces at him SQUAWK SQUAWK
Iran’s government needs and deserves a conventional degrading more than Saddam’s, and most know it…
I find it interesting that those who advocate capital punishment are also often the same people who have low degree of confidence in our judicial system.
If on one hand we complain about the inefficiency of our laws, the judges and even the abilities of the police, how is it we can then be so confident in a conviction of murder obtained by that system? How do we justify our bi-polar views on this subject?
Personally I am all for capital punishment if we can be reasonably sure that the judiciary is accurate. I am not convinced the system is free enough from corruption or incompetence to risk killing to many of the wrong people.
On another note it is a tactic of the left to brand all those that disagree with them as idiots and un-Canadian, I would hope that the conservatives of Canada would avoid that pitfall. If we of all people cannot be civilized then what hope is there?
“I don’t know if I would call that a hanging, looks more like a choking to my eyes.”
While it’s not for me to decide the punishment meted out in foreign countries – assuming true guilt is a given – justice should not include barbarity.
I’ve just seen a video of two men and a woman (in full chador) being hung together – and I wish I hadn’t. The three were raised from the ground by crane and thus were choked to death rather than ‘hung’ by a sufficient drop. The poor woman had her hands tied behind her and she writhed and twitched until death.
All while the crowd shouted ‘Allah Akbar’. Texas justice – Iranian justice, all the same I guess, if you’re just considering the outcome and not the method.
spurwing plover: “John Kerry tried to look like a conservative he even blabbering about hunting elk or deer with a SHOT GUN …”
I not sure what hunting has to do with this thread. But just to set the record straight … in Canada we have (or used to have) shotgun seasons (usually with the bow season or muzzle load) for deer. You had to use slugs.
Kerry, I believe, was stating he was a a hunter … I have no problem with that.
Vitruvius, if you are going to act like an idiot people will call you one. It’s the way of the world. I haven’t called anyone here any names.
Yet.
But rest assured, when dealing with liberals names like tard and loser are quite appropriate. Forgive me if I don’t accept you as an authority figure among the conservative community.
Me, I’m with Eeyore. Wow.
One last time. It is mind blowing (to say the least) that any person with a reasonable education could come on here and state that Iran and Texas are morally equivalent. Texas can change with an election, Iran on the other hand could use a good carpet bombing.
It is a choking. Any civilized country that still hangs, Japan for instance, uses a long drop so things are over quickly.
@jeff davidson (10:21 PM):
I have one question. How was that confession obtained? (You do recall, I hope, that there was a good reason why trial by ordeal was thrown out centuries ago in Western civilization.)
@every supporter of capital punishment:
Back in early 1960, the government of Prime Minister John Diefenbaker commuted the death sentence of Stephen Truscott. Had Diefenbaker not approved the commutation, the Government of Canada would have hung an innocent man.
I have a hunch that there’s a high correlation between “Diefenbaker admirer” and “opponent of capital punishment.”
@everyone: another question. Is moral equivalencing just a way to cover up ignorance with rhetoric?
With regard to capital punishment, it most definitely is not barbaric. The ancient Greeks, who were, in my opinion, the most civilized men the world has ever known, and who gave us the word barbarian to describe non-Greeks (specifically those coming from the Middle East), employed capital punishment, as every schoolboy knew before the “educators” took over our schools.
Posted by: Silicon Valley Jim at August 7, 2007 6:14 PM
Interesting. Considering that the capital punishment used in law by the Ancient Greeks was as prescribed in the “Draconic Code.” And in the Draconic code EVERY criminal offense was punishable by death. Yes very civilized indeed.
The very same civilized laws that resulted in the execution of Socrates. His crime? Being a vocal critic of the government of Athens. He dared question notions of “might makes right” and he lobbied for “considerations of justice” and “the pursuit of happiness.” It seems he was executed for daring to promote notions that are the basis of the US Constitution. What an evil criminal. You’re right to admire capital punishment under the Ancient Greeks.
And while we’re at it. Since the, “most civilized men the world has ever know,” believed in slavery I take it you think that’s a great idea too?
The very same civilized laws that resulted in the execution of Socrates. His crime? Being a vocal critic of the government of Athens. He dared question notions of “might makes right” and he lobbied for “considerations of justice” and “the pursuit of happiness.” It seems he was executed for daring to promote notions that are the basis of the US Constitution. What an evil criminal.
I’m quite aware that Socrates was executed; I was referring to that when I said that every schoolboy used to know that the Greeks employed capital punishment.
You’re right to admire capital punishment under the Ancient Greeks.
And while we’re at it. Since the, “most civilized men the world has ever know,” believed in slavery I take it you think that’s a great idea too?
Where did I say that I admired capital punishment? I noted that it was not barbaric, since the civilization that gave us the word “barbaric” to refer to others employed it. I never said that I admired it. Please respond to what I wrote, not to what you think or wish that I had written.
As for the Greeks, specifically the fifth-century BC Athenians, being the most civilized men the world has ever known, Athens, with a population (including slaves, of whom I was also aware, thank you) of approximately 200,000, was home to Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Thucydides, Herodotus, and Pericles, among others. You are certainly welcome to believe that there has been a greater society, but I’ll continue to disagree with you.
This is one of the worst threads I’ve seen here.
I might be wrong, but isn’t the topic about the Muslim parents exposing their little girl to a hanging, the way any other parents might expose their child to, I don’t know, Sesame Street, thus highlighting the obvious differences in what is considered a normal, healthy upbringing?
Kingstontard: Your attempt at moral relevance is pathetic, you idiot.
Doug: Your just a pansy ass masquerading as a conservative…
Justthinkin: Nice try Ried and jimbo,you useful idiots(troll is to nice a word for you clowns)
Ahhhh, I just love it — loooooooooove it — when SDA’ers eat their own.
FYI: turns out that this guy not only killed a judge, but also a cop and a bystander: 3w.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=472376&in_page_id=1811. As a lefty, I think he should’ve gotten probation plus free counseling and welfare cheques.
“isn’t the topic about the Muslim parents exposing their little girl to a hanging, the way any other parents might expose their child to, I don’t know, Sesame Street, thus highlighting the obvious differences in what is considered a normal, healthy upbringing?”
Yes “irwin daisy”, thanks for bringing that up.
From that article whose link A’dam supplied (thanks for doing so, A’dam):
“Kavoosifar confessed after a three hour interrogation to murdering the judge as part of a personal vendetta, according to judicial officials quoted by state media.”
I know Syria ain’t Iran, and Iran ain’t Syria, but if my recollection is accurate, both are Islamic republics. At least one of those two countries does not exactly have a “Western” record when it comes to observing the civil rights of the accused.
Hence my skepticism above. (General point to ponder: What if Arar had been strung up instead of jailed? How would he have acted?)
When it comes down to it, though, a line has to be drawn, and if the judgement of a foreign judge has no fishiness comong from it, there’s nothing that can be done about it with respect to indigenously-accepted civil rights violations.
As far as taking the kids to a hanging, I suspect that the indigenous culture there considers it to be part of the kids’ education in obedience to the State. For all I know, the Iranians would stick it in an Iranian analog to “Sesame Street,” with an age-appropriate moral attached.
Jeff, I take exception to your comments about Texas Justice being Sharia law. Maybe you want to come down here and try to discus it some time. I’ll even show you my permit to carry (concealed). Git R done!
Jeff, I take exception to your comments about Texas Justice being Sharia law. Maybe you want to come down here and try to discus it some time. I’ll even show you my permit to carry (concealed). Git R done!
Jeff, I take exception to your comments about Texas Justice being Sharia law. Maybe you want to come down here and try to discus it some time. I’ll even show you my permit to carry (concealed). Git R done!
What if with all the checks and balances we got the wrong guy for a hyenous crime and hanged him, just to realize that the real criminal is laughing around the corner? Too effin’ bad? Only someone who never lost a loved one due to a terrible mistake can advocate a capital punishment.
Abortion… It’s not abortion that is killing the WASP society – it’s the government policies that suppress the will of people to have more children. You’ve been tricked! You’ve been PWND by the leftartds in the government bureaucracy! It’s them who are corrupted by the commies and told what to do – that is to kill the industry in N. America and to move production to the commy states. The working class is becoming poorer, the wives have to go to work, childcare and child benefits are a joke and you have fewer babies… Open up your mind and you’ll get it – that’s what I tell my kids every night at the dojo…