Michelle Malkin has lots of coverage of today’s shooting at Virginia Tech, including a chilling e-mail from someone in a targeted classroom:
Finally one of the guys in the front of the classroom was brave enough to get up and move the desk in front of the door to prevent outside entry. About twenty seconds later, the shooter rattled the doorknob trying to get in. When he couldn’t get in he fired two shots through the door (single solid piece of wood) and left. We heard him go in to 206 (the room across the hall) and shoot the people in that room. If we hadn’t put the barricade up when we did, I and all my classmates would be dead.
Excellent move – hard to believe this could have been even worse.
There was one girl that they interviewed on TV, she survived by playing dead, next to her classmates. I pray that one day she will be able to find peace. It’s called protect your back. If you ever have a gut instinct to protect yourself, listen.
MaryM said “If you ever have a gut instinct to protect yourself, listen.” So why do so many not do this,and turn and whine to Big Brother to do it for them,when in fact,Big Brother is only protecting their own way?
Given that Virginia is a CCW state, I am surprised that nobody returned the nut-job’s gunfire in kind.
OH THAT’S RIGHT a college is a “safe zone”, where good citizens/victims are not permitted to carry their legally owned firearms! Wow, that worked great and kept the attacker safe! Wonderful!
Actually, I don’t think Big Brother can really protect anyone, including Big Brother. That’s why gun control laws aren’t much use, although they make liberals feel better because they can say they “did something,” if not something useful. The tendency of lefties and others to whine and whinge at government to solve their problems for them or to save them from all of life’s risks instead of taking action themselves is (I suspect) just an example of Linus looking for his blanket.
Laws don’t change human hearts.
This is so sad.
Laws don’t change human hearts.
This is so sad
So vf…you are saying that I can pass a law saying that all red-heads must become blondes,and you hope it will change their hearts?
To all the people who wanted The Lords Prayer removed from our schools … you now must install metal detectors to screen for guns… is this what you wanted ??
I’m not sure if any religion should be used in any public school but the North American continent can attribute most of its “goodness” to knowing right and wrong based loosely on the Jewish + Christian standards. Even if we are not religious , they are good standards , they used to be taught in our public school systems to teach right and wrong , good and bad , and morals for a decent society. We wanted to ingrain these qualities in our children hoping for the best.
Now that the folks on the left have had their way with teaching our children are we now reaping the results?
The monkey people such as David Suzuki who claims his ancestry is from apes , I’m very sorry sir , I will never buy that fairy tale , and please stop teaching that to our children . In the meantime I will stick to trying my best to keep the good commandments , I will fail often , but I sure will not kill my neighbour , and my children will not kill their classmates.
My heart breaks for the “killer” , he probably didnt know any better , We didnt bring him up ‘Right’ , We brought him up ‘Left’ and he has harvested some innocent students. Very sad. it has been a long time since I said The Lords Prayer , but I am going to do so now.
I attend college as of now, and I hope that this does not happen where I am at. Those students quick thinking saved themselves from a cowardly murderer who appeared to take great delight in murdering his victims.
This monumental tragedy could have been prevented.
If only there were more gun control laws……. oh yeah, there is a gun control prohibition on this campus! So much for gun control then.
Maybe the kids need more Ritalin?
The sad thing is these libs believe in the Brave New World and want everybody on Soma and everything remotely dangerous is outlawed.
Then when a crazy anarchist loses it and causes mass chaos they can say we don’t have enough rules to control the plebocites.
This is precisely what happens when you trust your life to the government.
I think it’s absolutely sick that anybody, left or right, wants to make a political issue out of this tragedy. To somehow blame this on either lack of gun control or any liberal policy is asinine. The bottom line is that some unstable individual with a gun let loose on a university campus, and nothing short of a draconian police state could have stopped it – and even that might not have worked. Lefties should let the perpetrator take responsibility for this and not blame it on gun policies or societal influence. Righties should let the perpetrator take responsibility for this and not blame it on lefties.
Why is whenever some nutjob kills a bunch of innocent students its blamed on not teaching religious ethics in schools. Arnie Madsen, what ever has the science of evolution got to do with the murders of these people? You have no idea who the killer is, what his political beliefs or why he killed yet you blame it on the breakdown of moral standards.
Justthinkin … you didn’t use many words in your first and second posts … but you made some good points .. it requires a bit of deep thinking but I think you are correct . Thanks .
I totally blame left wing idealism for this because if the right to bear arms was not impeded on this campus the death toll would have been far less. What happended to personal responsibility and the right to protect your own ass? I am an experienced rifleman with my days of killing groundhogs on dad’s hayfields and I could have easilly ended this psyco’s killing spree.
But carrying a firearm does not necessarily mean I’m a gun crazy nut now does it?
You have no idea who the killer is, what his political beliefs or why he killed yet you blame it on the breakdown of moral standards.
Yeah, at this point it looks like he wasn’t even raised here – he only came here from China last year, if the latest reports are true. We really have no idea what motivated him yet.
This has nothing to do with the beliefs or political leaning of the killer; He is irrelevant when it comes down to how this could have been prevented. This is about the loss of our rights to be able to defend ourselves. What if this killer came to your house and raped your daughter and killed your wife? The sad fact is if you killed him while he was in your house it is YOU who would go to jail for 3-5 years! And this is the point; you are no longer legally allowed to defend yourself. Crazy anarchists are everywhere and government can’t be everywhere at once to stop the inevitable.
If they allowed the nut-job womyns studies students to carry weapons I would be very afraid.
Lets face it, with the current history of achievement at most of our universities who would really want to attend anyway?
We live in an “exquisite predator system,” but mankind has an alien mind.
The predator system is the most powerful conditioning agent of life. We all live in one way or another on death. We devour animals or plants as food, and this is unavoidable.
The animal kingdom also lives in a system of predator and prey.
This uncomfortable fact with the pack and herd instincts conditions political life, our institutions, and represents a foundation of existence.
In the East, one of the lessons that the maharajas would give a young prince destined to govern was the law of fish: “The big fish eat the little fish, and therefore the little fish must be many and fast.”
Even the act of shaking hands comes from the tradition of demonstrating that the strong hand is not in possession of a sword, knife, or some other weapon.
So we are in “the predator system” whether we like the idea of it or not, whether God has ordained it, or whether an “organizing principle” is responsible for it. There is simply no opting out.
This doesn’t mean, however, that predators can’t have organized, benevolent societies. Many of the most vicious predators in the animal kingdom have quite a social structure with genuine concern expressed by various members. So despite the fact that we live in a world of predator and prey, predators can have warmth and compassion.
And in this system, man has an “alien mind.” Although we live in the predator system, man starts wondering about metaphysical questions. Where do we come from? How do we love each other? As the poet says, “Love is as perennial as grass.”
Particularly in the West we wish to heal the sick, comfort the wounded, care for the less fortunate, extend ourselves to those who are in hopelessness.
So we live in a predator system, and yet man has a mind alien to the system.
All I can say about the violence and tragedy we have seen today, arrived at from my experience in the military and civilian life, and as a researcher and teacher of close combat specialization is as follows.
If you are armed in a violent confrontation, you have a significant chance of survival. If you are unarmed, your possibilities of survival drop to almost nothing.
It is as simple as that.
Arnie Madsen – Just want you to know I liked your post.Well said!!
David Hand , thanks for your comment , You are right about the story of evolution should not be blamed here. I was off track to make such a comment . Maybe what I was trying to say was I prefer the old school values of teaching our students right and wrong probably based on some old time religious values.
I worry we have set our children adrift , we have eliminated some good moral teachings from our society because the “liberal – Left – godless – monkey people ” do not want any Jewish Christian values in North America . They have been quite successful. Lately , this same group are wanting to remove some commandments chisled in stone in public buildings . My question is , why do they want that so badly ? Why are they against such things as ‘thou shall not murder’ ? If the Godless Left are able to remove this value , may I now kill some students ? Or some monkey people ? Is this what they wanted ? I sure hope not.
I am going off topic in this tragedy , but I paraphrase the comment a few minutes ago on TV from the Pastor in Alberta who lost a son in a school shooting ….. he said “these things are becoming routine ” …. “I am troubled by this”.
Many thanks for your opinion David Hand , you made a good point.
If you live in country where you have 10’s of millions of people, the statistical odds are there will be a few nutjobs. In a free country there is likely very little that can be done to stop these relatively rare events from happening.
What really scares me is when a culture fosters these suicidal maniacs as has happened in the middle east. Almost everytime we hear of bomb going off in Iraq there is a suicide bomber attached to it. The bomber is glorified by the clergy, the media and their family members. Pray that North America never becomes like this.
Shooter was Chinese national? Foreign student? Was only in US one year. Witnesses said person killed like commando, calm, collected and very methodical. Ex-military? More coming..
I wished the university officials resorted to push technologies such as sending SMS to alert students on the incident instead of the email. That is like using the snail mail instead.
Truthseeker says, “I think it’s absolutely sick that anybody, left or right, wants to make a political issue out of this tragedy. To somehow blame this on either lack of gun control or any liberal policy is asinine. The bottom line is that some unstable individual with a gun let loose on a university campus…”
The bottom line is, Truthseeker, that we don’t yet know who this individual is or what set him off on this rampage. But I’m with Arnie. If you take a look, Truthseeker, at THE PATTERN here, then it’s legitimate, IMO, to make some general statements about the state of our world.
Do you have kids, Truthseeker? I do, and I see a pattern here. Since parents have gone AWOL from North American homes en masse, to pursue their “personal fulfillment” and “the American lifestyle,” and since secualar humanist activists have denuded the public education system of the 10 Commandments and the Lord’s Prayer, which no religious group had trouble with–the only naysayers were a handful of atheist activists–we’ve seen a massive rise in incidents of this sort.
These things seldom happened before. So connect the dots. Many of our children are angry at the neglect they feel and some of them are taking out their agressive feelings at the end of a gun.
Society needs to totally rethink how we’re bringing our children up, what we’re doing to instill in them a sense of right and wrong, good and bad, honesty and dishonesty, etc. My question is, do we have the will to admit our past mistakes–hey, everyone makes mistakes–and to set our feet in another direction?
justthinking…???
My point is I have no hope in gunlaws preventing anything like this. The problem lies in the heart of the person that would do this…and no law would change their heart.
You really misinterpreted my simple statement.
“The bottom line is, Truthseeker, that we don’t yet know who this individual is or what set him off on this rampage.”
Which is precisely the reason that everything you and Arnie are saying is, at this point in time, irrelevant to the incident in Virginia and only exploiting the situation as an opportunity to jump on a soapbox. In another time and place we can debate the merits of what you have to say, but given your own admission that we don’t know enough about killer, this discussion has little to do with the price of tea in China.
From all the reports of the chronology of the shootings this tragedy can be blamed on 2 elements:
1) the authorities who disarmed students/teachers in a concealed carry state
2) failed to provide the security commensurate with protecting 10,000 forcibly unarmed civilians
And if they rushed him from behind while he was shooting people across the hall,
One of the sick aspects of this serial killing is that the murderer took advantage of the fact that good students are naturally deferential to the authority of the lectern. Combined with the “gun-free zone” rule, it meant that he was simply going after the helpless on campus. Standard criminal mentality.
vf,,,went back and re-read your comment.When I take it as two separate sentences,thoughts, it now makes sense.
My apology if my response appeared out of line.But there are some out there who believe that laws can change hearts. You and I both know this is the farthest thing from truth. IMO,only our beliefs and up-bringing can change our hearts, and sometimes,as shown yesterday at VT, even then a brain disfunction can over-ride it all.
I find it interesting that the killer has been identified as being from South Korea – site of the worst-ever mass murder spree about 25 years ago. Something in the water?
They need to understand the root causes of why they keep showing up at universities and not football games, libraries, community clubs, hockey games,
Universities are good at saying its the americans fault that the world hates them for giving all that foreign aid.
Universities need to ask themselves why people want to keep shooting them up I doubt it’s bullying unless it’s by feminists in the womyns group.
Does any university in Canada allow a group for marginalized myn?
I’m with Truthseeker in one respect, it disgusts me that an atrocity like this is seen as an opportunity to make political hay by some parties.
Unfortunately this atrocity can only happen -because- of the political activity of those same parties.
The news as of 8:25 this morning (Tuesday) is that we have a foreign national who set up a little shooting gallery for himself by chaining the doors of the building shut. This may or may not be related to an earlier “domestic dispute” situation. Either way, premeditated atrocity here.
Terrorism isn’t always political in nature. Sometimes its personal. It is not within the power of government or police forces to prevent one man from doing such things. No conceivable system of surveilance and intervention could do it, never mind one that any country could actually afford.
I see some of the predictable trolls here and on the other thread denying this, claiming that a blanket gun ban would disarm this creature. It is this vain hope, kept alive by the propaganda coming from the likes of Sarah Brady and Wendy Cukier, that keeps the laws in place which allow one man to create such an atrocity.
Therefore we take the battle to them.