Pieter Dorsman on the latest trend to emerge from the great Dutch social experiment;
As opposed to “Give me your tired, your poor” many jurisdictions in the new world have discovered that the disgruntled Dutch are anything but tired and poor. They’re young, affluent, well-educated, entrepreneurial, fluent in English and smart enough to have figured that the time has come to get out as the future can no longer be found at home.
The numbers corroborate this trend. In the first nine months of last year a record number of Dutch packed their bags with some 100,000 leaving the country, an increase of 12% on the previous year. For this year another increase is expected and, according to some research bureaus the overall attitudes about leaving are changing as well.
This year some 32% are seriously considering a move as opposed to 26% last year according to the ‘Emigration Monitor’. What is even more revealing is that the 20 to 30 age group constitutes the largest group of leavers, a trend that got further momentum when one polling group figured out that about half of the nation’s adolescents would, given the chance, prefer to pack up and go. Last year’s number confirm that the Dutch are experiencing the largest net outflow of people since the post-war emigration boom of the 1950s and the remarkable attitude shifts will ensure that this trend will persist in the years to come.
I would like to point out that the Dutch are one of the top 5 contributors to the war in Afghanistan and supported the war in Iraq(unlike socialist Canada under Crouton).
And it’s the preferred taxation destination of Bono…
muslim population in Canada approaching 1,000,000
…you’ve got a bunch of mental midget lefties totally destroying a once beautiful country. It’s the same road Canada was headed down under the Liberal governments of the last four decades.”
Sorry dude: Still heading down. Zero difference under Harper with minority government. There’ll be zero difference under a Harper majority government.
Can you in your wildest imagination hear Harper saying that we need to reduce Muslim immigration? Nah, I didn’t think so. It’s irreversible unless we unwind the intergenerational Ponzi scheme which is social security. That won’t happen.
The End.
Sorry about the mix up Holdfast, my mistake.
Although I do have to say that just because some mentally deranged idiot whacked a Dutch citizen, is not exactly all of the “Dutch” assassinating it’s own.
Penny:You’re a little over the top as far as I’m concerned.
Do you know any Dutch people? I lived there for years and your description of them is false. Yes, the lefty government is destroying them with pc ism, but do you think Canada would do any better considering the circumstances, or the USA for that fact.
I’ll take the Dutch anyday.
Germany has the same problem as the Dutch – there are more people leaving than coming in. They also have a below replacement birth rate and a growing muslim population. They also have very high unemployment rates especially for the young, even those with higher educations. If you were a young German (or Dutchman) and saw a future of 1 worker for every dependent, why would you stay?
I remember seeing a story about a German entrepeneur who opened a restauraunt in Afghanistan after the Taliban were kicked out. He said with all rules and regulations in Germany it was much easier to start a business in Afghanistan.
I believe that The Netherlands that we see today has some correlation to the Britain that we today.
Over the last 200 years the privileged class in Britain stayed put while many of the lower class, with ambition, emigrated to seek better opportunities. During the last 80 years, the remaining less ambitious folks built Blair’s Britain; a socialist and politically correct wasteland.
It’s sad to say but the Britains of today bear about as much resemblance to an Anglo Saxon as a 21st century Italian resembles a Roman.
Dutch emigrants that are looking to find a better home and build a better future for their children should be welcomed to Canada.
I wonder if there will be a Dutch boy left behind to poke his finger into the hole in the dike, or whether 100 years from now the Netherlands will be totally inhabited by Swamp Arabs.
I understand, though I haven’t seen numbers anywhere, that enterprising young Swedes are also leaving in droves to escape the punitive taxation in their country. Perhaps it’s happening everywhere in NW Europe.
Another place that Canada might be advised to look for new immigrants is in South Africa. I have heard that our immigration people have done much to discourage the Afrikaners from coming to Canada (possibly as punishment for their participating in apartheid in the past). There are lots of skilled people there that we could use in our economy.
Despite having stubbornness as a cultural attribute (in general), any Dutch folks I’ve ever met have been kind, hard-working and honest to a fault. I would gladly welcome any Dutchmen who ever decide to come to Canada.
Interestingly, as far as Muslims go, I haven’t run across any who give any appearance of extremist attitudes and I have had a positive experience with them to date. I would not want to “throw the baby out with the bathwater” as it were, but it IS hard to ignore the overwhelming evidence of the putridness of their religion (at least as evidenced by the more fanatical amongst them). I dislike what appears to be bigotry towards muslims expressed here in this thread but quietly (and shamefully) have to agree that the sentiments expressed regarding blocking the immigration of muslims to Canada is likely for the best.
While I dislike what appears to be bigotry in this thread, sometimes the truth is ugly and there’s no better way to say it clearly.
Geez, “nether” works in so many ways …
‘Twixt upper, nether, and surrounding fires.
–Milton.
This darksome nether world her light Doth dim with
horror and deformity.
–Spenser.
All my nether shape thus grew transformed.
–Milton.
I have a real problem with what is going to be an increasing demand by Europeans to lite elsewhere after they’ve trashed their countries. Here. My open letter:
Hey, for decades you sat on your butts, contentedly sucking off of the welfare state, demanding not much out of your bureaucrats and politicians. You never took the right causes to the streets in any meaningful protests, so Holland is now trashed. Every perversity was tolerated by you to the point that nothing has any principled values. You watched America do the heavy lifting as world’s policeman, your safety financed by our taxpayers, while you’ve smugly denounced us at every turn. You won’t face down Islamofascists, our kid’s will. It’s cheap and easy to give your kids a fresh start now that the homestead is a trash heap. The kiddie get a foothold here and you can exit with your old age pension and live out your golden years, away from the squalor, on my Florida beach. Like hell. That gets earned. And, I’m not talking money. A poor legal entry Mexican that has never participated in your decadent life and squandered it gets first dibs for my beach chair.
So, please don’t think the kid(in the Eurotrash bikini) is welcomed. Americans owe you nothing.
Sincerely…..
Posted by: penny at April 4, 2007 2:34 PM
penny: With you 100%. My first thought when I read this post was, we don’t want voters of your ilk who willingly gave up a beautiful country through either your votes or your inactions. I also don’t need to hear the old song and dance that ‘I never voted for them’. I’m originally from Sask. It’s impossible to find someone who voted NDP but they keep getting in. My other concern is the BS that their kids are a product of their upbringing.WHO set the stage for this scenario? The Parents! I think it IS time to let them rot in their own feces.
My apologies if I have offended the great Dutch people here, I have the utmost respect for you and I know a good deal of Dutch persons here in Calgary, but reality is on our doorstep.
Interesting comments.
As an emigrant from the socialist UK in 1974, (miners strikes, electricity rationing, transportation strikes, wage and price controls, rampant inflation) I certainly have sympathy with anyone who is determined to come to Canada and build a new life for themselves.
We can only hope that if there is a surge in European emigration that we will attract the more entrepreneurial types and not the lefty do-gooders that have wrecked their economies and countries. Of course our immigration system is now so lapse that it appears that with perseverance anybody will be accepted.
Any reader of Mark Steyns essays will be familiar with this countries dire need for emigration to finance the social programs we were all promised in our retirement.So I guess we should be welcoming them with open arms.
One hopes that the Conservatives will do a better job than the Lieberals in determining who will constitute successful candidates. From my own perspective I think our system needs an urgent overhaul to encourage young skilled trades men and women, nurses, doctors and engineers. Much less emphasis on accepting those who have obtained a university degree but no essential job skills.
And to all Canadians – thank you for the opportunity to contribute to my own and the country’s success.
If Martin had beat Harper in the last election, how many conservatives thought…at least thought it’s time to move to the United States, or at least Alberta.
I’ll bet quite a few. Now look at the Netherlands and their left wing government. How many Canadians would leave under their current policies.
In my opinion it’s not the left that’s leaving en masse,it’s the right.
Welcome them with open arms.
See ‘America Alone”, by Mark Steyn.
Amazon.com in a week.
The more government interferes, the fewer citizens take responsibility, and the more decay you tend to see around you. ”
Truer words never spoken.
So there’s no distinction between Canada and the US in that respect? I know you think this is, or would be, a good thing. I don’t. A lot of Canadians don’t.
Sure there’s a difference, but this post is about Dutch emmigrating to Canada and the USA (and Oz and NZ, I suppose). Canada and America are different, but it is generally a difference of degree, not kind. As someone who’s lived on both sides of the border, I’d venture to say that in many respects, Torontonians and New Yorkers have a lot more in common than Torontonians and Medicine Hatters do.
Anyway, our Liberal overlords have tried to erase Canada’s real history in the 19th and 20th centuries, and replace it with three stupid pillars (1) We’re knee-jerk not Americans (regardless of the merits of the particular issue at hand, (2) We are beloved by the world (even if they don’t know or care who we are), and (3) we support the UN and are the world’s greatest peacekeeps (even though our miniscule miliatary has made it hard to perform useful peacekeeping).
In the real world out nuclear reactor sales to India were a key part of their development of the bomb, Talisman’s Political Correctness -forced sale of oil assets in Sudan to Red Chinese interests has made useful UN action in the darfur crisis much less likely, and nobody cares what we say because we don’t have enough embassies overseas, our foreign aid budget is tiny and our armed forces have been systematically starved.
Are the young leaving because they believe the social programmes are taking too much out of their paychecks to pay for all the old people, or is it beacause the Islam world is taking their country from them and they have to llok for a new homeland.
Read Mark Steyns ” America Alone” This is scary.
ifa you ain’ta dutch
you-ah ain’ta mucha
Hey, I married a dutch gal.
She’s responsible, made 3 children with me 🙂 , works hard, pays her taxes, but still you get no respect.
Dutch are generally thrifty. You know the joke.
Q. How was copper wire invented?
A. Two Dutchmen pulling on either side of a penny!
For the most part they are decent folk, albeit some in Amsterdam are ‘way out there’. In the countryside most of them are pretty decent folk.
If they all take Al Gore too seriously, and I was Dutch, I think I would be plugging my dike too! Hey they live below sea level for God’s sake.
Al Gore is pretty scary stuff if you’re Dutch. No wonder they are heading for the exits.
Both my folks and my wife’s folks came over in the mid to late fifty’s. My in laws don’t have much use for all the PC correct rubbish in The Netherlands either. My father looks at the fractured politics of Germany and wonders how Merkel does it, as all the guys turned down the job of Chancellor.
The trouble is they all preach the Gospel of pluralism; but when it comes right down to it, it’s the PC way or the highway/Autobahn. The government regulation in Europe is generally stifling, except for some post communist countries who are well educated and looking for companies to bring in their operations.
No wonder the Dutch have wooden shoes, when the water rises you can ‘do a Jesus’ and just walk on the water!
Remember: HOPE FLOATS!!
1) If you were born in Holland, and were being forced to live in a system you didn’t agree with that due to population demographics you had no ability to change by democratic means, and had the ability to leave to start a better life, wouldn’t you take it?
2) I would argue that any Dutch immigrants moving ANYWHERE have an unemployment rate less than 1%. I would further contend that their work ethic is something that we need as a model in our country as we have too many “born in Canada” slackers now.
Bottom Line: I hope Canada starts marketing to pissed off Dutch and Germans to consider moving here.
If I read most of the above comments correctly, many want to make being conservative a pre-requisite to immigrating to Canada. Because the Charter has prohibited discrimination based on race or religion, we’ll now do it based on political philosophy. Because, as we all know, being liberal means you won’t work hard and pay taxes and contribute to society. And this is a good way to shore up the CPC base.
You, armchair commandos like Jim from Calgary, will be qualified to talk, when you will liberate Canada. Until then no, sorry, you are no better than Brits or Dutch for that matter. I had guts to go against communist regime in the USSR and came to Canada to hear that the immigrants were not welcome because they were not conservative enough. When reading garbage like this, I sometimes feel that I should take my revenge on you and bring my kids up liberal voters. Screw you, assholes, sort of thing. You are stretching your luck with me and many others who lurk but don’t post.
Truthseeker – as opposed to a certain party’s trying to woo various immigrant groups by embracing and protecting their terrorist arms (Tamil Tigers, Khalsa, the Hayders etc)? Anyway, I’m a bit unclear on how the Charter would apply to people not even in the country yet, let along citizens, though I’d sure one of your liberal-activist judges could find a way to square that circle.
Aaron – oddly enough, in Canada you are free to bring your kids up any way you like (hey, you can even be a member of the shadow cabinet and publicly rally with members of Hizbollah. Also, as annoying and frustrating as Canada might be at time, it isn’t quite at the point of needing “liberating” yet.
Really? Then let me ask you, who owns land under your house.
Aaron, Hans
Don’t take the bigotry shown by some here to heart, there are spoiled apples in all walks of life and ethnic backgrounds.
Let the little dogs bark.
Me no dhimmi,
“Can you in your wildest imagination hear Harper saying that we need to reduce Muslim immigration? Nah, I didn’t think so.”
Harper certainly won’t make a point of announcing a reduction, if not elimination of Muslim immigration. I’m quite sure though, if the Conservatives remain in government, that it will happen. Not just because of the increased security risk, subversive undermining of our culture, discrimination, ghettoization and flagrant bigotry that Muslims bring to Canada, but because they block vote Liberal.
“…many want to make being conservative a pre-requisite to immigrating to Canada. Because the Charter has prohibited discrimination based on race or religion, we’ll now do it based on political philosophy. ” – truthseeker
What do you think the Liberals have been doing for 40 years? Why do you think 99% of Muslims vote Liberal?
“and came to Canada to hear that the immigrants were not welcome because they were not conservative enough.” – Aaron
Was this told to you by the Liberals, who have been in power in Canada for 85 of the last 100 years? Come back to reality and stop with the threats – you’ll vote the way you want, not as revenge for what some people have said on this thread.
And BTW, as noted above, it was truthseeker who commented on being Conservative as a pre-requisite for immigration (which has never been the case, although a propensity to vote Liberal has always been a pre-requisite). Truthseeker is a socialist.
…just think of it, if the Dutch and Germans do move to Canada en masse, we’d actually have
– cars built that won’t break down after 10 years
– nice flowers in every garden’s home
– dyke would actually mean a water retainer.
Yep, Irwin, you are absolutely right. As long as CPC does not betray us, I will continue voting the way I want 🙂
Nice tomax 7,
And in all likelyhood, they won’t want to repeat the same mistakes that caused them to emmigrate in the first place.
Historically, Canada was built by not just the English/Scottish/Irish/French (Hugenots and Normans), but the Dutch (where there are still sizeable enclaves like King Township in Ontario), the Germans (Kitchener was called New Berlin, prior to the war), Ukranians (the west), the Finns (cottages all over the Kawarthas), And how about the Chinese?
All pioneers and good people, with few differences.
Along with the British, the Dutch and Germans were mostly Protestant. Having said that, where did all the Catholics come from?
“I sometimes feel that I should take my revenge on you and bring my kids up liberal voters. Screw you, assholes, sort of thing.”
Right on cue.
A “threat” from a recent immigrant.
Who claims he speaks for others.
Aaron do you think you will punish Canadians by voting Liberal?
If so do you think that a fittig revenge for disagreeing with your remnant commie brasinwashing, will be to destroy the country that accepted you when you RAN AWAY ?
Maybe you have fallen behind in your reading; the usual revenge on us , Aaron, is to get yourself a terrorist cell made up of other Aarons and plan to cut the head off the priminister.
That’ll teach us assholes!
Irwin Daisy: Good points, and yes if it is ever done it will not be announced as such.
One quibble: When you refer to the immigrant bloc vote, that vote is not ideological. It is more like “dancing with the one that brung ya.”.
The question is: Will Harper become the new escort? He has stated that he wants to become the new “natural governing party”. To do that, the welfare state (the inter-generational ponzi scheme) will have to be buttressed, and to do that, high levels of immigration will be needed, and to do that, er, muslims.
Unless you think he’s gonna give us a fireside chat some time pointing out the suicidal economics that promotes high levels of the wrong kind of immigration?
Er, what happened to the Toronto 17? Will the case disappear?
Just remember, when you start crying ‘Canada for Canadians’, there will be Hitler waiting around the corner to take you all to the gallows.
You just don’t care and don’t listen to us, unwashed immigrants.
I met an Indian guy who came here with his mechanical engineer diploma and was quite happy, until he bought a car.
He was screwed big time by a WASP car dealer, then he tried to get that car fixed and was screwed big time by one after another WASP mechanics. That’s how we met and the guy could not understand, why they tried to drain all his money instead of fixing that $20 part.
Next thing he called the ministry of consumer relations to complain that the mechanic took a deposit for parts and disappeared for a good half a year. The officer told him, that the ministry was not in power to do anything and his only venue was a small claims court.
That’s the first impression of many new immigrants, as the first thing they have to do is to get a car and preferably cheap. That’s not how they get treated back home, so the first impression is the strongest. Welcome to Canada, the total charge is eight hundred dollars…
You go golfing, then go for a beer with your WASP friends and bitch about the chinks and paki who don’t speak good English and are looking to screw you over and you don’t give a rat ass about immigrants, who all they do is work and pay taxes.
The first who comes around and promises to take care of immigrants gets their vote, for the most part it was the grits and dippers. They are both feet with the ethnic communities, while some conservatives feel they can spout garbage like some of you here.
It’s not my fault that you allowed terrorist organizations to build the nests here, is it?
me no dhimmi,
Harper is obviously governing up the middle right now in order to get a majority. On obtaining that he’ll probably concentrate on decentralization, economic and tax reform first. However, he (as much as any other western leader) is going to have to deal with the failures of multiculturalism and open door immigration.
I read recently that immigration is costing the taxpayers $5 billion a year in social assistance and welfare. Most are immigrants from the middle east and asia. I would have to assume that means a large percentage of muslims, given that since 9/11, they have tripled their population in Canada.
He’s also going to have to look at the rising cost of security and its root cause – Islam.
Harper’s a pragmatic economist. As such, he has to look at the causes in order to figure out the remedies.
Furthermore, despite the recent addition of Khan, he knows he doesn’t have a hope in hell of getting a majority of Muslim support. Their organisations have already said this.
As far as ideology is concerned, the Liberal party is quite accommodating, having the most Muslim MP’s. “A great win for Islam…Allah Akbar” was the phrase used by one winning Liberal candidate in Mississauga last election. People like Coderre, and a general anti-Israel (if not anti-semetic) bias also make the Liberals the best ideological fit out of all the parties.
Everything points to one logical conclusion. End Muslim immigration.
I used to manage a company here in vancouver. the accountant who showed up one day told me all about the “canada” course he took in delhi, it taught him how to access all kinds of canadian government money, hell even the course was paid for by the government of canada. when he got here from india he had over 20k in the bank (given to him from our government) he also got a house anda car and a welfare check on top of it all. I asked the government at the time for help with my rent and got the brush off.
“…the Dutch are experiencing the largest net outflow of people since the post-war emigration boom of the 1950s and the remarkable attitude shifts will ensure that this trend will persist in the years to come.”
Thus hastening the birth the Islamic State of Netherlands.