Stephane Dion, speaking in Saskatoon;
“It gets worse. Stephen Harper used numbered the ballots for this plebiscite. That means the Conservatives can trace who voted, and how they voted. Why would they want to know how you voted? Traceability is for livestock, not ballots. This is a government that wants to know who its opponents are. Partly as a result of those heavy-handed tactics, just one third of ballots were returned – further undermining the meaningfulness of the results.”
Good question. Now that Stephane Dion & Co. have taken the accusation that the barley vote was “tainted” outside the protective walls of the House, how much longer before the powers that be at KPMG put a call in to the legal department?
I guess Jake stopped reading about a sentence too soon.
“…In 1943, when agriculture and the supply of food to Canada’s allies once again became an important national goal, farmers’ participation in the CWB became compulsory”
I’ll paste it again so you can truly comprehend it:
” In 1943, when agriculture and the supply of food to Canada’s allies once again became an important national goal, farmers’ participation in the CWB became compulsory”
Albertaman, I don’t want to make it sound like I’m a farmer… I’m not. My family does have a farm, however, and many of my friends are still on the farm. I just can’t understand this ridiculous notion that a war-time act of parliament that made sure farmers didn’t profit too much from their grain is still in effect.
Ted said: “Western Canadian Barley Growers – are they funded by Cargil too?”
Hey Ted, are you funded by the CWB, too?
Yukon Gold, the person who needs to comprehend it is the person who thinks that Hitler’s Germany was a command economy.
But perhaps you need to do some comprehending of your own. Reread the sentence about 1935. Who was lobbying Bennett for the board?
Never realized that about the Crow rate Spike 1.
So when the crow was eliminated, instead of a net loss of about 50,000 farms in Saskatchewan, the number of farms in Saskatchewan grew?
It didn’t?
WTF?
Sounds like another con job.
For Jake (after two minutes with google):
“In a economic sense, Nazism and Fascism are related. Nazism may be considered a subset of Fascism, with all Nazis being Fascists, but not all Fascists being Nazis. Nazism shares many economic features with Fascism, featuring complete government control of finance and investment (allocation of credit), industry, and agriculture. Yet in both of these systems, corporate power and market based systems for providing price information still existed. Quoting Benito Mussolini: ‘Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.’ ”
http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/wikipedia/n/na/nazism.html#Economic%20Theory
Not that I care. Back to the real point – Dionsky is an ideologue, of which he accuses others of being – surprise, we are all “ideological.” Dionsky actually said the CWB is free to farmers. This guy could care less what Sask farmers want, he is a socialist bent on centralizing Canada under his dirigiste wing, using the environment as cover; and, he is going to lose the next election big time.
Jake, you need to differentiate between leaders who will use democratic means and those who won’t. Calling one conservative and the other socialist actually means nothing.
Dionsky, while marxist in his outlook, still believes in democracy. So does Harper and (virtually) every Western leader. Can you say the same for all socialist leaders?
It is truly a wonder that we take the time to try and debate with the likes of the Liberal trolls that continue to plague us on this site. Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder that seems to be incurable and Socialism is the handmaiden to it. Anyone that is so convinced that Nazism was not a command economy must have been educated at university by the likes of Stefan Dion. I think it was Herman Goering that once said something to the effect of “Guns before butter!”
Thanks for your honesty Shamrock, and for admitting your error – albeit somewhat indirectly.
As for Harper believing in democracy… I’m not sure he believes in it any more than Bush.
The Cons destroyed the Progressive Conservative party by less than democratic means, and now they are trying to destroy the Wheatboard to serve their corporate masters/funders.
Do all socialist leaders believe in democracy? Certainly not. But neither do all capitalists and industrialists.
Antenor, are you saying that someone who comes to this board to try and liberate people from ignorance is a troll?
If so, you certainly need more trolls here.
Read Shamrock’s post just above your own where he found that I was correct and he was not. And take the time to educate yourself on fascism, nazism and socialism. Knowledge is your friend, not something to be feared.
Ted said: “Western Canadian Barley Growers – are they funded by Cargil too?”
Who cares who funds them as long as it isn’t the Canadian taxpayer.
It is the Liberals who as evidenced by Alcock and Gray who want Canadian taxpayers to pay their bills for Liberal hacks.
Cargil is spending their own money and if you don’t like their method of operation buy some shares and voice your disapproval Ted instead of the usual socialist whine.
Antenor,
Well said.
Churchill once said “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy”. Orsaid another way” Philososhy of Failure of Jake, the ignorance of Ted and Envy of Barcs”.
We know there is no basis for the argument that Ted, Jake and Barcs espouse other than ignorance and jealousy. They attempt to rationalize but never can point an actual good as their understanding of economics is that of a 6 year old.
What other possible motivation would disregard the freedom of tens of thousands of farmers in favor of a socialist relic of the past like the CWB.
Peter, you are proving JS Mills right in his observation once again. I’m sure Ted would buy shares in Cargil and try and influence their business operations if he could. Unfortunately,
for Ted and every other farmer who has bought their anti-wheatboard propaganda and machinations, Cargil isn’t a publically traded company. Never has been.
What farmer worth his salt wouldn’t know that?
Albertaman, you don’t give a rat’s behind about western farmers or you wouldn’t misrepresent the numbers. Nice job quoting the aristocrat war criminal Churchill to boot.
Jake, which part of “Nazism shares many economic features with Fascism, featuring complete government control of finance and investment (allocation of credit), industry, and agriculture.” – don’t you understand.
Yes, Jake just keep re-stating your fallacious arguments; maybe someone will actually fall for them. Good luck. Bye.
It’s been a slice but I’ve other things to do – like working to get an honourable man elected.
To our next Prime Minister, Stephane Dion and his western lieutenants, David Orchard and Ralph Goodale, guys who will actually do something of benefit to Saskatchewan.
It’s been a slice but I’ve other things to do – like working to get an honourable man elected.
To our next Prime Minister, Stephane Dion and his western lieutenants, David Orchard and Ralph Goodale, guys who will actually do something of benefit to Saskatchewan.
Jake, Ted:
Fascists are to communists what Shias are to Sunnis. They are mutually hostile competitive forms of the same thing.
Fascists and Communists are competing (and mutually hostile) forms of Totalitarian State Socialism. Shia and Sunni are competing (and mutually hostile) forms of Islam.
It is incorrect to state that Hitler hated socialists. What he hated is Communists. The difference is vital for your understanding. It is common for competitors not to like each other very much.
Notice that Hitler’s Fascists and Stalin’s Communists got along just fine until Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back by invading Russia. Up until that point, the communists in the Unions of the west were militantly hostile to the war effort against the Nazis. There was even sabotage in munitions factories prior to Hitler’s treachery (guess you get what you get when you chose such vermin for friends…)
Bottom line, statists of all sorts are all your people.
As for Harper “screwing” all the leach provinces, at what point in your miserable lives did you figure out you had a right to other people’s money?
Saying that welfare provinces have a right to make more money than the paying provinces while keeping the free money you didn’t earn is like a welfare bum demanding to keep the welfare check when they get a job.
You only take charity (which is what it is) until you no longer need it. Leaching parasites feel the entitlement to bleed their host to death.
Want more? Get a F’ing job.
“To our next Prime Minister, Stephane Dion and his western lieutenants, David Orchard and Ralph Goodale, guys who will actually do something of benefit to Saskatchewan.”
Our next prime Minister, Stephanie? Man, the one thing the left is good for…a damn good laugh!!
Just one last post see that I now must respond to.
Shamrock, you’ve never set foot in a university class room have you?
What part of “Yet in both of these systems, corporate power and market based systems for providing price information still existed,” didn’t you understand?
Also, the Alberta Socreds tried to administer credit. Did Alberta have a command economy? Were the Socreds trying to bring it about?
The Reform / Alliance Chuck Strahl Announcement last Thursday stated the CWB was not wanted is a skewed and utterly perverted process. The Reform Alliance announcement demonstrates an absolute and complete loss of faith in the Canadian Farmer and a huge blow to Western Canada. 3/4 of Western Farmers want the CWB in one form or another to stay yet the Conservatives say they want it to go? Can you say Weapons of Mass Destruction ? Probe Research and Ipsos Reid say Manitobans and Canadians want the CWB, every farmer I have spoken to wants it the only people that do not are the died in the wool Reform /Alliance types who do not want to part company with Harper and his extremists. Minister Strahl is absolutely disgraceful and I think the Reform / Alliance types are giddy on power and are trying to goad the Liberals into an Election with this kind of misinformation.
Ahhh, I knew it. Jake is just a kid extolling the virtues of socialism while living off his parents’ gain in capitalism.
Irony, thy name rhymes with “Booniversity student.”
Hey, Browners, if Canadians want the CWB, then they can have it. Just make sure it reverts to its original mandate — an option-in marketing board.
Until then, you do not have the right to tell ANYONE they can’t sell their own product.
Browners.
Rhetorically speakin….Did ja come by the name honestly?
Syncro
Back on topic:
How can Dion make an accusation like that without a reaction from KPMG?
Jake,
” Albertaman, you don’t give a rat’s behind about western farmers or you wouldn’t misrepresent the numbers. Nice job quoting the aristocrat war criminal Churchill to boot”
It is bad enough that you support a system that oppresses the rights of farmers but to call one of the Greatest men of the past century a War Criminal. If it wasn’t for the likes of leaders like Churchill you would be sucking the botttom of boots of the Nazis. I would be willing to bet that you think the same of our veterans who killed Nazis and enabled ungratefull pieces of —- like you to feel free enough to spew your socialist crap.
Churhill would have hated a WB in peace time and would think Dion as a weak kneed dweeb made in the likes of the Hitler appeaser Chamberlain.
It still boils down to FORCING Ontario and Quebec farmers to be under the CWB rules.
I have stated from the beginning of this debate, if it is such a good deal then place ALL wheat farmers under the board. I guarantee that within two weeks of bondage under the CWB that it will be dismanteled. [After a few Ont. and Que. farmers are jailed.]
Either put ALL farmers under the CWB or give ALL farmers a choice.
After all the grain is suppose to belong to the farmer, let them decide.
Interesting fiction Warwick. You must be another Con.
Fascists weren’t at all socialist and weren’t just hostile to Communists but all socialists including democratic socialists. They were the people Hitler went for first before the Jews and gypsies. His hate for them was the same sort of hate an objectivist, Harperite or Republican might have.
Einstein was a self-proclaimed socialist. You give me anything similiar by Hitler.
You also reference the Hitler-Stalin pact. You should be happy Stalin got it… or you’d be speaking German. Stalin saw the dark clouds rising and wanted to enter into mutual defense pacts with France and England but they rebuffed him completely. The pact did nothing but buy Stalin precious time.
Spanish civil war anyone?
As for being Saskatchewan being a leach province, Ontario has leeched for years, the provinces have the Constitutional right to their natural resource revenues, Quebec hydro revenues aren’t taken into account, and ALBERTA got to keep its natural resource revenues and receive equalization when it was just getting going with Leduc.
The claim that the cap was imposed to keep welfare provinces from getting more money than paying provinces is another Con job since Quebec already gets more than Saskatchewan and Newfoundland.
Quebec just matters more to the Conservatives than the west. Just like the Liberals.
This board is like the hotel California. I had family die fighting the fascists Albertaman, and rather than thanking that war criminal Churchill who favoured the incendiary bombing and destruction of German cities, and after the end of the war the execution of the entire German army officer corps, you should be thanking Joe Stalin and the 20 million Russians who gave their lives to keep you out from under the jackboot of fascism, a jackboot rightards like you want to bring us under.
Like Harper and the Cons, Hitler was also a law and order, get tough on crime and criminals kind of guy. He also kept his promise to the desert fox the same way Harper kept his to Newfoundland and Saskatchewan.
That must mean Hitler was another con man.
I agree with the leftards – what could be worse than people who are directly affected by gov’t decisions, in their own business, having a say.
G*D damn the conservatives (or anyone else) for asking …
I see that, once again, Godwin’s Law has been shown to be ironclad in its application.
There’s a couple of Communists here trying to spread false propaganda about the CWB, farmers and democracy and to demonize the Prime Minister just because he’s not a Communist, too.
The vote is over and the verdict is rendered.
They don’t accept a democratic vote. Being Communists, that’s not a surprise. But Dion not accepting a valid, democratic vote, just ’cause? Very bad sign. For the Liberals. Dion’s antidemocratic. Like all Communists.
So what if those who wanted to keep the CWB didn’t vote? They could’ve. But they didn’t. Their loss. If there were that many who favored it in the first place, which is doubtful, as one would’ve expected them to show up.
Look, if Dion were to win the next election (he won’t), and reinstate the CWB’s monopoly, that is proof that he’s a Communist. Think about that. State monopoly on industry, no democracy… Commie.
Calling others stupid when oneself is stupid is projection for the purpose of deluding oneself into false confidence in one’s dogmae and in the brainwashing one has suffered.
Calling us stupid, in the minds of the useful idiots, helps them to falsely perceive us to be stupid and wrong. That is delusional, and delusion is a mental disorder.
Guillible, naive, nonthinking people like those who’ve been manipulated into spreading the lies as on this thread are a primary cause of much of what’s wrong with Western society today.
It’s over. No more CWB. Get used to it. Move on.
Jake, you’re back here extolling the virtues of your good old uncle Joe Stalin? I thought you were off getting Stephane Dion elected?
Not going so well, huh? Get used to it. The way you think, life is going be a whole crapload of disappointments for you.
thank GOD for that Yukon Gold
Extolling the virtues of uncle Joe, hell no. Correcting con disinformation, you bet.
Life time of disappointments – not after the next federal election.
Canadian sentinal – there was nothing democratic about the wheatboard vote, at least nothing in the normal, as opposed to GW Bush election stealing, sense of the word nor in the fascist Strahl’s interpretation of same.
And in two years besides having a democratic Senate, Congress and President, Canada will have a democratic ie. Liberal Prime Minister, and reinstated Wheatboard protecting western Canadian farmers. Harper can go back to being a mouthpiece for the NCC and you rightwing nutbars can crawl back under your rocks.
Hey cons, what’s a Browner?
Jake,
The 20 million Russians died after they were betrayed by Hitler and had no choice but to fight him. They were allies up that point you lying piece of revisionist—-. Typical of socialist revising history to suit his twisted purposes. It wasn’t only Churchill that ordered the bombing of Germany it involved all the allies including CANADA. The pattern of a Liberal is again obvious. The conservative identifies with the victim of the crime and acts to support the victim. The Liberal identifies with the criminal and finds excuses why they committed it and why they shouldn’t be held accountable.
In the case of the CWB we support those that want freedom you support those that want keep them in chains.
Albertaman, you are either completely uninformed on the origin of the Hitler-Stalin pact, or it is you who is the lying piece of. Typical of a con to revise history to his twistered purposes. And it certainly was Churchill who pressed for the fire bombing of Germany’s cities and the civilians in them and after the war, the execution of the German Army officer corps. Stalin and FDR put the kibosh on that one.
In the case of the wheatboard, we support the farmers Harper wants to hang out to dry so American agribusiness can take over and run things like they do in the US. You support american agribusiness.
Farmers vs American-agribusiness.
Progressives vs. Conservatives.
On the subject of crime, you support victims so long as they are middle class and clamouring for more law and order like you do. If they are poor, you don’t care a bit and would rather they also committed crime so you could put them in prison.
In the heat of debate I referred to Strahl as a fascist.
While I believe he knows nothing about prairie agriculture and is doing what he is doing not out of concern for any farmer but at the behest of American agribusiness, that his wheatboard vote was anything but democratic, and that his interpretation of the voting results is completely skewed and untenable, I clearly crossed a line and wish to apologize.
Mr. Strahl, the comment was unwarranted and undeserved. Sincerest apologies.
I can’t believe there are actually people who believe in the state imprisoning people for selling their legally-grown, perfectly legal crops all by themselves. In Canada.
I think such people are either Communist propaganda agents…
Or “useful idiots”, brainwashed and manipulated into propagating the propaganda imposed upon them, perhaps by Communist propaganda agents, foreign and domestic.
Of course the vote was democratic. Only a delusional international socialist would claim it wasn’t.
And calling someone a “fascist” for putting to a vote that which concerns the people voting and respecting and implementing the verdict is another leftwing brainfart.
The verdict has been rendered. It will be respected and implemented. Farmers can now exercise their liberty as guaranteed by the Charter and anyone who dares to go “fascist” and reinstate the state monopoly and imprison farmers for exercising their Charter-guaranteed liberties, as Stephane Dion obviously would, is therefore a Communist. I therefore believe Dion to be a communist, for communist is as communist does.
My Canada rejects communism.
It is decided. By the very people it concerns.
Move on.
I haven’t read through all the comments yet, and maybe someone has made this point, but a few years ago when the Liberals did a farmer plebicite on wheat and barley marketing, the ballots were numbered. Perhaps Mr. Dion ought to be reminded of this….
“3/4 of Western Farmers want the CWB in one form or another to stay yet the Conservatives say they want it to go”
So if it were an option in an open market system, your “3/4 of Western Farmers” could join – the rest will have the option just like their peers in Eastern Canada.
It’s called Freedom of Choice, Browner.
Do I understand this correctly? We have a commentor who is defending Stalin and Stephane in the same breath?
Sweet!
The guy seems to me to be a true hardcore liberano oops communist oops totalitarian control freak oops NAZI!!!!
I guess they are all the same to those of us that are into things like FREEDOM.
Just think my father did 2 tours in Korea fight scum like this.
No, Kate, you misunderstand. But thanks for cleaning up the multiple posting. Albertaman was saying I should thank the war criminal Churchill for not liking the boot heels of the nazis. I said he should actually be thanking Stalin and the 20 million Russians who died fighting Fascism, the guys who actually won the award.
His hero is Stalin and Stephane and his enemies are Churchill and Harper. Churchill is a war criminal and Stalin is the Western world’s savior.
This punk has to be living in Dion world of playtime academia where no perpetual adolescence is a way of life.
FREE, your father participated in an imperialist war Canadians had no right to be in. And you have no right to compare him to a Vet from the first or second great wars – just wars where democracy and feedom actually were at stake.
I had relatives die fighting in those great wars. They didn’t die so Harper and Strahl could sell out western farmers for their agribusiness friends and justify their doing so with the bogus results of a bogus vote, or cheat the west to buy votes in Quebec.
They died so we could manage and determine our affairs with democratic government and free and fair votes, and live relatively prosperous lives.
“there was nothing democratic about the wheatboard vote, at least nothing in the normal, as opposed to GW Bush election stealing, sense of the word nor in the fascist Strahl’s interpretation of same.”
There’s iberia, a, steved – but this pretzel brained moonbat takes the cake. How many different ways can you dissect this statement? What does it say of the mental condition of the ‘person’ who wrote it?
“Stalin and Stephane in the same breath” may be the only logical connection this retread has come up with. Afterall, Stephane was admittedly a Trotsky Communist.
Don’t you rightards ever get tired of lying or are you just real poor at understanding anything but the most simple of ideas?
No where have I said that my hero is Stalin. The guy was a meglomaniac, murderous, thug and dictator.
What I said is that Stalin, and the 20 million Russians who died when Hitler marched east,
won the war against the Germans. While America might have been able to win it with nukes if they had enough time, they may not have had it if the Germans had as easy a time conquering Russia as they thought they would and were again able to divert their resources west.
We’ll never know. What we do know is that Russia’s contribution to winning the war was immense and Chuchill’s contribution was not.
Wow Jake: you sound like a complete idiot!
Abraham Lincon abolished slavery and there were still (slaves) who wanted to be slaves, just because they knew nothing else!
like dogs returning to their own vomit!
Today, you couldn’t find one that would want to be a slave!
It’s been pointed out that only western canada is forced into the cwb.
you call that democracy…i call it slavery!
You can return to the vomit if you want.
I’m not looking back
the air is smelling fresher!
Have at’er Chuck
the majority have spoken!
Jake, Jake, haven’t you gotten Stephane elected yet? What happened to your Harper is Hitler slogan? I thought you had me there – both Harper and Hitler were against price controls.
The moonbats are really blowing a gasket these days. Projection is the order of the day. So far as I can detect they have two campaign ideas – stop a Tory majority and prove the Tories are just as corrupt as they used to be. Jake, surely you jest with your David Orchard endorsement (now I know where US agricorp comment from). If you want to talk about an ideological contradiction, look at Mr Orchard. Hang in there Jake, keep up the false bravado as long as possible, keep up the wacko Churchill war criminal and Harper Hitler (or is it Bush?) comments. That’ll get your man elected. Sorry, Dionsky is a spent force right out of the gate, with his statist vision, keystone cops team and power for policy approach. Projecting Tories as worse than Liberals won’t work, but by all means keep trying. Of course, we’re willing to give Dion a pass on the looming Sponsorship charges (Not, and there will be more) and Hollandgate is just around the corner (which was goofier, this or his Oilsands comments?). Maybe you and Mr Orchard (he’s a Liberal now, where have I been?), think the B-team can pull this off. I don’t, and until the Liberal party admits it is still corrupt and hopelessly biased to Central Canadian interests, then renews, the A-team will not return and power will be impossible