Stephane Dion, speaking in Saskatoon;
“It gets worse. Stephen Harper used numbered the ballots for this plebiscite. That means the Conservatives can trace who voted, and how they voted. Why would they want to know how you voted? Traceability is for livestock, not ballots. This is a government that wants to know who its opponents are. Partly as a result of those heavy-handed tactics, just one third of ballots were returned – further undermining the meaningfulness of the results.”
Good question. Now that Stephane Dion & Co. have taken the accusation that the barley vote was “tainted” outside the protective walls of the House, how much longer before the powers that be at KPMG put a call in to the legal department?
Jake, who was it that said, if you’re not a socialist when you’re twenty, you haven’t got a heart; if you’re still a socialist when you’re fifty, you haven’t got a brain.
Yeah, Jake take a look around, examine history, to find all of those “stupid” people who were conservatives – Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Putin, Amadmanjihad, Dionsky?
To Ted and Jake, anybody who doesn’t agree with them is a “neocon” (new conservative?), and are “stupid.”
Perjoratives rather than policy; smear rather than debate; power, power, power. The election can’t happen too soon, in my opinion.
Thanks Shamrock, well said
Bryan, I know the crow was a wonderful thing because it cost me a lot less money to ship my grain, and because a lot more families could still make a living on a section of land when the crow was in effect.
But tell me what businesses it hurt, and how things are so much better now.
Tell me also how your towns are booming, how you are keeping your schools open and the condition your roads are in. Oh yeah, the NDP is at fault for the roads right?
Jake was so right. Conservatives really are stupid people.
And “supposedly weakened” nothing. Harper and Strahl want the wheatboard killed. But not out of any love for you bozos. His recent cheating of Saskatchewan shows you don’t mean dick to him.
Personally , I prefer ” NEANDERCON “. Gonna’ be an awesome couple of months for slagging grits .
Bryan, I know the crow was a wonderful thing because it cost me a lot less money to ship my grain, and because a lot more families could still make a living on a section of land when the crow was in effect.
But tell me what businesses it hurt, and how things are so much better now.
Tell me also how your towns are booming, how you are keeping your schools open and the condition your roads are in. Oh yeah, the NDP is at fault for the roads right?
Jake was so right. Conservatives really are stupid people.
And “supposedly weakened” nothing. Harper and Strahl want the wheatboard killed. But not out of any love for you bozos. His recent cheating of Saskatchewan shows you don’t mean a thing to him.
Sorry Shamrock,
Hitler is one of yours. So were Pinochet and Botha. So was that dude in Indonesia that exterminated over a million people. So was Rios Monte.
You want to do a numbers game. Bring it on.
Ted, you sound like a Calvert loving socialist to me, Your wife probably loves sucking up her union pay cheque as well. You probably only farm a pissy little 500ac patch and half is summerfallow because your too cheap to buy fertilizer. Why don’t you sell your farm to a new generation farmer and get out of our way so we can make Sask. a profitable place to live. Also all the farmers you know want the CWB because they are just like you, Brainwashed NDP’ers.
How many people were farming a section of land when the crow rate diappeared? Not very many, the crow rate being removed forced people to become more innovative and they went into cattle and hogs and many other things. Now I am not argueing that I like massive hog barns and so on, but the grain had to go somewhere and until bse and the drought came along in th 02-03 things in the cattle business weren’t that bad, you did okay at it and there was cheap grain to be had. Let’s remeber that it was the Liberal government that cut the crow rate and gave us a portion of what it was actually worth. The conservatives under Mulruney were going to do it sometime in the mid eighties and they didn’t have the backbone to stand up and tell the nfu and the wheat pool to get lost (among others) and while all of this may not be perfect, a very small percentage of the reason you can’t live off of a section of land today has to do with the loss of the crow!
STAY ON TOPIC
And keep the language civil.
Farm boy, you are such a man. You farm sections and are superior to those of us who only farm a couple of quarters. You are such a man.
Remember this though when Mr Banker comes to take your land out from under your nose – you can’t keep raping the land with pesticides and herbicides forever. Sooner or later those unsustainble “farming practices” are going to bite your ass off.
Last I checked, hitler’s party was known as the National Socialist party, accordingly that makes him a closer fit to such wonderful instituitions as the NDP
Better check again there Bryan. Read a book on political philosophy. Or read that one Hitler wrote himself and see what he thought about
socialists.
Hey Ted, my memory fails me.
Could you tell me again how many Western grain farmers voted to make the CWB a mandatory institution in the first place?
Was it more than the 62% that voted to get rid of it?
Damn, I forgot excatly when that vote was held.
Could you tell exactly when they voted for it?
Ted, I have proven my point. Why can’t people try a little change every once and a while. This is why Sask is stuck in such a rut. The CWB is just the latest example of resistance to change. If we all put our heads together we could make this place a real boom, but there are just too many people that just want to argue about trying somthing new. I hope Strall follows through on his promise for marketing choice. Because until you see there is better way, the complaining won’t stop.
No one cares about the farmers, they don’t equal alot of votes.
Also to respond to the person that wants to remove the 300% tariff for american milk should know that Canadians can’t even send milk to the states at all !
That is why the 300% import fee.
I think I trust drinking Canadian Milk over US milk, and milk is still cheaper than Pepsi. I would rather support CANADIAN farmers and pay a little more.
http://federalgossip.blogspot.com
I regularly jump the border for eggs milk cheese etc. I dont like to pay way way to much for anything.
Remember folks voting with your wallet is the best way to get the best results.
Getting caught up in the semantics of “Fascistism” and “Socialism/Communism” is pointless and takes away from the good arguements being made.
Extreme left and extreme right political views shouldn’t be thought of in a straight line fashion. Take the straight line and bend it into a circle. The further away from the centre you go, in either direction, the closer you get to each other. There was not much difference between Hitler’s fascist Germany, and Stalin’s communist USSR.
As much as I may be anti-socialist, I’d never make such a stupid arguement as to say that Dion or Layton are just like Stalin. And anyone trying to make an arguement that Harper is just like Hitler is a moron.
The shades of “left” and “right” in Canadian politics is not THAT far from centre to justify those kind of comparrisons.
“I regularly jump the border for eggs milk cheese etc.”
And by the time you add up your time, and gas, it costs more !! LOL !!
http://federalgossip.blogspot.com
Rockyt, no western farmers voted for the wheatboard. However, quite a few of them must have lobbied the Conservative government of RB Bennett since it was one of the few things Bennet
did to help western farmers out during the GREAT DEPRESSION.
62% voting against the wheatboard?? You must be using that new con math that keeps diverting Saskatchewan money to Quebec and saying fair is fair.
Try 13%.
When a Liberal tells me it is something that I need, i am more than a little nervous about it. I can’t help but wonder what the Lib’s are concerned about if there were to be a change in policy, maybe they have something they are hiding
federalgossip how wrong can you be.
lets see first off fuel 1.16 a litre here in vancouver 2.69 a gallon across the border (thats about70 cents a litre)
butter here at safeway 4.99 a pound or fred myers at 1.69 a pound
I could go on but im sliding off topic.
Oh, cripes, Ted, take off the partisan Liberal hat for once and admit that forcing anyone to sell to only one buyer is not in the interests of a free society.
Or, perhaps you don’t like living in a free society, which would explain your love of that cuddly Venezuelan dictator.
Doh! I think I got Ted and Dr. Dawg confused. They’re both dolts, but it turns out I’ve singled out the wrong dolt here.
Ted the CWB was brought about during the second world war to help out the brits. It had nothing to do with helping farmers and never will.
I still want a few rocks turned over so we can see the liberano slime try to hide from the light.
If the CWB is the be all , end all , best thing ever for Canadian grain farmers then why ?
1. Closed books
2. It is not inclusive ie: all Canadian producers are not subject to the CWB
Both questions have the same answer , methinks …
Throw enough manure at something and some of it sticks Bryan.
How about a little less time speculating on possible wrong doing at the WB and a little more answering my questions about how much killing the crow has done for Saskatchewan towns, schools and roads?
While you are at it, tell us how many more farmers are on the land today in Saskatchewan than when it was eliminated, and how much land values have gone up.
Now some con is calling me a dolt. Quite the debating skill there.
Got a source for that claim FREE?
I’m not debating. I’m calling a dolt a dolt.
There should not be a debate on the Wheat Board. Based entirely on geography, it turns western Canadian producers into serfs, forcing them to sell to one buyer under penalty of jail and potential forfeiture of property.
You tell me how this is suitable for a democracy and a free nation.
Bill D., you ever hear of trade secrets, client lists and proprietary information?
Do let me know when Cargil opens its books to the public.
Ted me thinks that you don’t do well with change, and you lack imagination, the crow transported jobs out of the prairies. Rural decline has been on the go for years, and the most recent surge by what I can see is do to the situation we are in do to people losing a lot of money do to frosts and drought and a lot of rain in the fall at in opportune times. There was a lot of money lost in the crop well before the railways got it.
Jake, I assume you are meaning the origins of the Wheat Board:
“The CWB’s validity as a policy instrument has always been controversial. From 1917 until the end of World War I, and again in 1935, the government established the CWB to ensure the orderly sale of grain under difficult conditions. In its original form, the Board was a compromise tool for increasing returns and stabilizing income, and was based on voluntary participation. In 1943, when agriculture and the supply of food to Canada’s allies once again became an important national goal, farmers’ participation in the CWB became compulsory.”
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/modules/prb98-2-grain/grainindex-e.htm
So, here you have an institution that was VOLUNTARY until war. Then, war was over, but big government doesn’t want to take their hands out of the register and doesn’t want to let Western Canada out from under their thumb.
Screw that. My family and friends are no one’s serf.
try gasbuddy.com, for the rest go check out just about any grocery store south of the soviet canuckistan border.
Yukon Gold, you potatoe head. You aren’t debating because you don’t have the ability.
But speaking of dolts, dolt, why don’t you tell us how well farms are doing in Montanna and North Dakota? They don’t have the “wheatboard oppression” there so they should just be booming.
What’s that you say dolt? They aren’t booming. Montanna doesn’t even have half of Saskatchewan’s population.
Go figure.
WTF???
” Bill D., you ever hear of trade secrets, client lists and proprietary information? ”
Proprietary ? …. Like we’ve got these suckers under our collective thumbs , how much will you give us ?
Montana has what? 10% of the land area of sask? Speaking of DOLTS!!!
Jake:
“In 1943, the federal Parliament amends the legislation to make membership mandatory, instead of voluntary. This action is taken in conjunction with the federal government’s efforts to provide food aid during World War II. However, the mandatory requirement remains in place after the war.”
http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/economy/cdn-wheat-board/wheat-board-structure.html
Bryan, I do fine with change. But some change isn’t for the better. Killing the crow was change for the worse – not for eastern shareholders of the CPR, but certainly for western Canadians.
Jake, I put Hitler in there to prove your ignorance. Hitler only believed in private ownership of production, he still ran a command economy, not exactly hallmark of conservatism, which clearly you don’t understand; hance the use by some of the term neoconservative.
How old are you anyway?
Yukon Gold,
I am not sure how you can restrain yourself and not punch people like Ted,Barcs or Jake squarely in the kisser. Even to a non farmer like me reading their socialist pap that contains no real justification( other than someone may not be equal) for continuing the system of oppression is disgusting. Good-on all you farmers who voted to set yourselves free!
Ted, once you agree that all of Canada should fall under the Wheat Board’s jurisdiction, then maybe I’ll bother debating.
Until then, I’ll just remind you that discrimination is illegal in Canada. I’ll also point out that Dan Quayle would be very proud of your spelling.
Sure you did Shamrock, sure you did. If you knew what you were talking about, and you obviously don’t, you’d also know that Hitler’s ecomomy was much less command orientated than the war economies of Britain, Canada and the USA.
How old are you anyway?
Remember CWB is a tool that Liberal Party Uses
Canadian Wheat Board Pays a Political Debt with Farmer’s Money
(August 30, 2004 – Airdrie) “The board of directors of the Canadian Wheat Board (CWB) are using farmers’ money to pay a political debt to the minister responsible for the CWB, Reg Alcock” said Douglas McBain, President of Western Barley Growers Association, when commenting on the hiring of Avis Gray, Minister Alcock’s re-election campaign manager, to lobby government for the CWB.
The political debt to Minister Alcock results from his not carrying out a promise to do a review of the CWB as a result of the $85.4 million the federal government was forced to pay to cover guaranteed initial payments in 2002-03. Bringing out details of the CWB marketing failure in 2002-03, when world grain prices were reaching record highs, would have caused considerable embarrassment to the CWB board of directors.
“Putting Avis Gray on the CWB pay roll is not any different than the CWB board of directors attending Liberal fund raising events using money out of farmers’ pool accounts” continued McBain.
“With five government appointed members paid for by farmers today, and as the CWB is a legislated monopoly reporting to the federal government, why is a government relations lobbyist even required?” asked McBain.
Since the change from government appointed commissioners in 1998 to a board of directors which are elected and appointed, the CWB cost to farmers has grown by 15 to 20% annually.
“We ask that the CWB board of directors cancel the appointment of Avis Gray and put more effort into conducting farmers’ business instead of initiatives which are solely self serving” said McBain.
Thanks for that link on the origin of the wheatboard Yukon. So… Ted was correct and Free was wrong.
Last time I looked, no reputable historian believed Canada was fighting WW2 in 1935.
Western Canadian Barley Growers – are they funded by Cargil too?
You’re right Jake, all my university profs were wrong. You are so wise. Now be quiet and go to your room, it’s way past your bedtime.
Shamrock, you must’ve slept through your university poli-studies classes, or taken them at the UofC. Or perhaps you just failed the course.
No poli-studies prof or historian in his or her right mind would claim that Hitler’s Germany was a command economy.
Thanks for the quip Free. Now add the pops and areas of the Dakotas and Montana together.
Also last I looked the US had a Senate that represents the regions fairly, not a federal government that takes money from the great plains region and moves it to Quebec.
I am glad someone brought up the crow rate.As the price of grain increased the percentage of the cost of freight got less and less under the crow. A small farmer may realize two or three thousand dollar return because of the crow but a big farmer could have savings enough to purchase a quarter of land every year which many of them did.The crow was a major influence on the depopulation of Sask.,even more than Alta or Man.
Ted
Western Canadian Farmers eh?
Syncro