Stephane Dion, speaking in Saskatoon;
“It gets worse. Stephen Harper used numbered the ballots for this plebiscite. That means the Conservatives can trace who voted, and how they voted. Why would they want to know how you voted? Traceability is for livestock, not ballots. This is a government that wants to know who its opponents are. Partly as a result of those heavy-handed tactics, just one third of ballots were returned – further undermining the meaningfulness of the results.”
Good question. Now that Stephane Dion & Co. have taken the accusation that the barley vote was “tainted” outside the protective walls of the House, how much longer before the powers that be at KPMG put a call in to the legal department?
As far as I am concerned, if you has a ballet and chose not to return it, that is not anyone’s fault but your own, if you don’t vote don’t complain about the results
The Liberals are still hoping to cash in on the old time worn scare tactics huh. I think that finally even gullible slow thinking Canadians, especially in Ontario, have been able to move. As for the Liberals, they can’t because they have nothing else to offer.
Why doesn’t Dion just buy some yayo and snort himself silly. He’ll make more sense once he’s higher than a kite.
Using Mr Dion’s argument, General elections ar rigged as well, since the ballot papers are numbered in accordande with Part 8 section 116 (3) of the Canada Elections Act:
“The ballots shall be numbered on the back of the stub and the counterfoil, and the same number shall be printed on the stub as on the counterfoil.”
http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=loi&document=part08&dir=leg/fel/cea&lang=e&textonly=false
We got a ballot and never voted. Sold the farm 6 yrs ago, so didn’t think we should vote.
As for tracing ballots. How many know your ballot in federal or provincial elections can be traced if one wanted to.Every ballot is numbered and could be traced to your name and number on the voter list. Someone should tell dions handlers that in the west, farmer’s second language is probably profanity, not french.
That’s brilliant Stephane! At best he’s calling KPMG incompetent at worst he suggests they ran a crooked ballot.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the numbered/traceable ballots were used to ensure only eligible producers (those with valid CWB permit books ) could vote. No?
Can anyone tell me what kind of turnout Steph generated?
If the CWB is so desirable, why is it that Ontario and Quebec producers are not lobbying for inclusion in this obviously benificial arangement?
If the CWB is such a great deal, does it not follow that it will thrive in a dual marketing environment by the sheer force of it’s superior advantage and benefits to producers.
Would anyone care to guess what an audit of the CWB might reveal in the coming months?
Any idea who is really making the izzy money?
Despite Dion’s feigned outrage and vacuous bluster, I would really like some answers to the above questions.
Syncro
Good Catch Colin: Using Mr Dion’s argument,General Elections are rigged as well.
Democracy Dion that’s what it is all about, Not Socialism.
The liberanos are terified at what is under all the rocks at the CWB. It will mke adscam look like chump change.
O/T While SD was in Sask. lately he had reason to call the front desk from his hotel room and he asked that they send up some ‘pepper’. The desk manager, thinking of the Chretian ‘pepper’ incident , wanted to be perfectly clear about the request for ‘pepper’ so he inquired “Would you like black pepper or white pepper, sir?” To which SD indignantly replied ‘I want toilet ‘pepper’!
I guess will never be a Liberal, sigh,
Mr Dion says the CWB represents democracy.
It looks like the CWB will have to work for a living now.
Does anyone care about the wheat board, really ?
The farmers will still vote conservative no matter what. The votes are in the cities.
http://federalgossip.blogspot.com
There it is folks..what the libs think of all you rural voters(see comment by Federal Gossip)Out of curiousity,I checked out link to his/her blog for some credibility factor..NONE! Lots of trash..one headline/photo,says only’John Baird likes Boyscouts’..no story,no credibility,just the ‘smear’that the libs.whine so much about.Hey ‘Federal’,..Bill Graham ring a bell???
First a stupid question.
IF the CWB sells wheat so cheaply how come wheat from china is being shipped into th center of North America to make (tainted) dog food. The price has to be atleast $1 a bushel lower than the CWB price to make it cheaper after shipping.
This is a stupid argument:
“If the CWB is such a great deal, does it not follow that it will thrive in a dual marketing environment by the sheer force of it’s superior advantage and benefits to producers.” – If you change the entire premise of what you do you should not expect results to stay the same.
Crooked ballot? 50-50… I can’t believe that people would suggest that ballots shouldn’t be numbered. Easiest way to ensure you don’t get people copying them. 2 numbers the same? someone is cheating. Espically important when you put a ballot in someones hand for 2 weeks before they have to mail it back.
The voters list still concerns me. Why wasn’t a proper list constructed before the vote? The government gave 3 lists from separate sources to ensure they had the most people they could that should be on the list. If that is the list though, why was KPMG phoning people to see which ballot to use??
“We got a ballot and never voted. Sold the farm 6 yrs ago, so didn’t think we should vote.” – another good example of the voters list problems…. the list was only supposed to extend back 5 years.
And ya I would like to see an audit of the books too.
QUOTE: numbered the ballots for this plebiscite”.
What an ass! The organizers of the ballot also mailed out ballots to specific addresses and people, too. So what? Or does Dion want his minion’s (Cherniak’s) recommended “vote early, vote often” philosophy to be operative?
Of course the ballots were numbered. How else can you ensure a person votes once? Who received and compiled the votes, independently from the government? KP_MG. Does Dipstick Dion suggest KPMG is “tainted”? Perhaps “Professor” Dion has a better method?
No, I thought so. Just another pandering Liberal at the plate.
“Can anyone tell me what kind of turnout Steph generated?”
Can anyone help here?
Next thing we know, Stephane Dion is going to claim that the sun is just a big lamp hanging in the sky that gets turned off at night so we can sleep.
Marvellous! How quaintly childlike, the Liberal intellect!
This is just the voice of a partisan Canadian
yelling back at the radio – “Chuck Strahl speaks for me.”
Responding to the above comments, by Sammy, I will be more than happy to take and gossip by all parties….though I have not gotten much from the conservatives. I am aware that Bill Graham was a cross-dressing and dancing at gay clubs, but the guy is retired now and that was in the past.
Don’t let the liblogs logo fool you for a second, even though I normally vote liberal.
http://federalgossip.blogspot.com
Send your goodies to federalgossip@mts.net
I post everything !
I would say there was around 350 there yesterday give or take. Hope that helps
Yes, we sold 6 yrs ago, but didn’t sell all our grain-wheat/barley for a couple of years after sale. Should take 3 years to sell your farm to reduce the amount of tax your pay. If you have auction proceeds, capital gains and grain sales all in one year it is hard on the bank account come April 30th. So, yes, we were eligible for a ballot.
Barcs has shrill concern over the mechanism that set farmers free and yet ignores the decades of oppression he and others like him imposed on their neighbors. Gulag gaurd Barcs whining about his loss of control over his prisoners is both priceless and disgusting to watch.
How many Sask farmers returned ballots, for or against, and what percentage of those farmers =350.
Bryan…That helps put perspective on the size of the remaining gang members. Thanks.
Mary T… My folks are going through the same process. You still have a valid permit book because you have not sold all your grain from previous crop years? Correct?
Your ballot was tied to the permit book?
Isn’t it great when the theorists preach to the realists? I would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Syncro
A liberal’s definition of an unfair election is one they weren’t allowed to steal.
If a liberal wins by fraud, that is a fair election (cemetaries full of pets elected JFK.)
If a liberal loses a fair election, it was stolen.
A liberal can never accept that losing is fair. A liberal lives under delusions that they are infallable in their moral righteousness and anyone who questions them is inherently evil.
Antenor said:
O/T While SD was in Sask. lately he had reason to call the front desk from his hotel room and he asked that they send up some ‘pepper’. The desk manager, thinking of the Chretian ‘pepper’ incident , wanted to be perfectly clear about the request for ‘pepper’ so he inquired “Would you like black pepper or white pepper, sir?” To which SD indignantly replied ‘I want toilet ‘pepper’
Good one, I falls off my chair laughing 😉
Liberano’s only care about being in control.
I find it funny that another liberano {federalgossip} is trying to up his stat counter by conning us to go look at his website. Nice try, but I wont bite and most of the rest here won’t either.
I can’t wait for the reports from Ms Fraser on all the crooked scummy thieving act the liberanos have done inside the CWB. Can anyone guess how much got skimmed and sent to to so tinpot dictator in Africa in the name of Canadian Steamship Lines?
I think the only thing all parties want it power.
Harper is acting like a Liberal more everyday, even the National Citizens (NCC) are dissing his budget.
http://federalgossip.blogspot.com
First, the crooked Liberals and the CWB supporters are throwing a tantrum about numbered ballots because it meant that they couldn’t pull their usual trick of stuffing the ballot boxes (so to speak) to get a favorable result.
Sore losers.
‘General elections are rigged’.
This has occurred.
And the crooked Liberals know more about that than anyone.
True story.
A senior citizen in Toronto went to his Liberal MP to get help on some hassel with the govt over his pensions or whatever.
The Liberal MP told him to go to hell because the senior did not vote for him.
Senior asked, how did you KNOW THAT?
Clearly the Liberals have always checked (fingered?) the ballots after voting, and Krooked Kingsley never bothered checking into these irregularities.
Even little Annie managed to ‘find’ a thousand votes or so in the dying minutes of an election to win one year.
That’s how the crooked Liberal Party of Canada won so many elections.
Rules and laws are for other people, not Liberals.
You Con men are hilarious. Harper stabs Saskatchewan in the back on equalization, gives billions extra to Quebec – another 900 plus millions announcement today on aerospace – and wants the wheatboard killed at all costs, and you think he is doing this because he likes you.
Its American agribusiness whose interests Harper is serving, you stupid !WE$%RS.
Libs jail hardworking farmers,Dion attacks farmers and the electoral process, and poor Ted has to play the Bush card.
Who said ‘liberalism is a mental disorder’?
anon#31
STEFFI’s UPDATED CWB PRESS RELEASE
Just so everyone is clear on the impact of Flipper’s plan to restore the CWB to monopoly status.
http://www.thiscanada.com/2007/04/02/steffis-updated-cwb-press-release/
ted: at least we won’t have to feed you guys for free anymore if we can get to an open market. you don’t have to have a lot of imagination to out perform the board in the barley market. i’m looking forward to the new rules. ritter will soon have to buy his own ticket to the liberal fund raisers from here on in.
“Its American agribusiness whose interests Harper is serving, you stupid !WE$%RS.”
Sucks to be a lieberal right now, doesn’t it Teddy boy?
Suck it up sunshine because PMSH is going to be around for a while!!
I love it.
I’ve recently concluded that utopians aren’t only on the left.
The National Citizens Coalition is utopian.
It doesn’t understand the realism of its own word “coalition”. Plus they can’t do math. Harper only has 125 seats out of 308, the rest are tax and spend seats elected there by Canadians. Ignore that and we’ll be in the wilderness for another 13 years.
Of course we want power, so we don’t need a coalition. But we plan to do something constructive with the power, not just indulge in cronyism. Sure Harper is spending money, but the spending comes with a press release not a brown paper bag.
Power to Conservatives is about reversing the decades of Liberal rule. Power is needed to reverse monopolies so that Western Farmers doesn’t go to jail for not selling their products a monopoly.
There were 5 priorities in the last election there will be 5 more this time. If you don’t like it, vote for the power that Dion will give you because he stands for … ???
Ted,
CBC socialist like yourself are a riot. I know all the farmers responsible for 90% of the production in my area of birth in Saskatchewan and they are all thrilled to death over the vote. Typical of a socialist who want ignore the will of the people who voted set themselves free. The conspiracy theory that Americans are behind the vote is so ignorant it hardly deserves a response. A conservative principal is freedom with responsibilty a Liberal’s is freedom not to be responsible. Eventually the principal of freedom with responsibilty wins as it speaks to higher human drive. Thats why we have seen Berlin walls fall and even countries like China more towards a free economy.
Responsibility! What a concept!!!
Syncro
While we are on the topic about rigging election, don’t forget about Tina Keepers come from behind victory last year. While waiting for the reserve vote to come in, the NDP were ahead a couple thousand votes, the when the votes come in from the reserves , they were 97% for the liberals.
And wouldn’t you know it, some reserves even had 100% voter turnout, isn’t that great ???!!!
Oh, and on the reserve about 1 hour from my home, you are required to have a liberal lawn sign, or you don’t get your monthly cheque. Heck, if that was the case, give me 2 liberal signs , just in case.
http://federalgossip.blogspot.com
Look, let’s get a translation from De-Yawn e Franglish to proper rational English here…what the Librano Cherub is saying is that any “ballot” that does not favor Librano ideological fallacies is by default “tainted”….’Taint what we expected…..bwaaaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ahhh uh Stephanie you kill me. I bust a gut laughing at your transparent tomfoolery.
I’ll take my chances with American agribusiness over Liberal (brown)bag men *any day of the week*.
[deleted – clean up your language – ED]
Tainted vote. Just liberal speak for ‘fair vote.’
Way to go Ted! These rightwing nutbars amply prove that JS Mills was correct when he observed that not all conservatives are stupid people, but that most stupid people are conservatives.
Some goof thinks he has a chance outwitting the likes of Cargil and ADM when it comes to dealing on his grain.
Hurry to google nutbars to find out who JS Mills was.
“Tainted” ya that’s good for a laugh coming from a liberal, The only thing that smells is the stench of corruption that has been covered up in this country. The monopolies, the foundations, the adscams all of these will hopefully come out.
Ted, you moron! you aren’t an expert on the wheat board, an end to the board’s monopoly was part of last years platform. It has been a long held veiw that the wheat board should go. When I was farming you would have had to pay me to grow wheat in particular and sell it to the board, and in the case of barley most of it already ends up on the open market anyway, and if the malt plants want it, I am sure they will make an offer in some way or another. On are farm we have never had any worse situations with the big American outfits rather than the Wheat board. I noticed yesterday that they left out the canadian players in the industry and will only talk about the American businesses up here
Albertaman, after the vote buying Harper is doing in Quebec at western Canada’s expense, you won’t me to buy the idea that you guys believe in principal and responsibility.
Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, you can’t be fooled again. ROFLMAO.
Jake, judging buy what I see out of most Liberal types, I wouldn’t go spouting off too much
One con supporter accuses me of playing the bush card – pulled it out of his ass I guess – and another calls me a moron and says that it has been a long held view that the board should go, and that he wouldn’t grow board crops.
Long held by who? The same zeros who thought it would be ok to kill the crow because it wasn’t fair to the CPR? The Cargil funded western wheatgrowers?
The farmers I know overwhelmingly support the board and wonder why so few ballots were cast. What proof does KMG have that the ballots were even mailed out?
The election is just another con on western Canadians. Just like Harper’s equalization promise to Saskatchewan.
Ted, you forgot to mention how Harper also screwed Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and BC to
buy Quebec votes. Keep forgetting those things and you might end up joining these idiots and voting for Harper.
who told you that the crow rate was a wonderful thing? It prevented business and other things from being created because it was a subsidy that made it cheap to move grain. The same people who opposed an end to the crow rate and so on are the same people who today oppose the wheat board being supposedly weakened (the NFU, Wayne Easter and so on) The sask wheat pool would surely oppose it if they weren’t so weak and fighting for there very survival
Consumers should get a vote now. The Milk Monopoly maintains high prices and less choice for Canadians – so we should be allowed to vote on the 300% import tariffs for dairy products.
The Milk Monopoly wouldn’t have to be disbanded, they could keep selling quota and raising prices on Canadian dairy products. But Canadians should be able to vote for the freedom to buy dairy products at about half the price from the US, that’s all.