It’s not often one gets a chance to pack this much uncontested hyperbole into a news item;
Laval University’s Warwick Vincent, who studies Arctic conditions, travelled to the new ice island and couldn’t believe what he saw. “It was extraordinary,” Vincent said Thursday. “This is a piece of Canadian geography that no longer exists.”
Ice is geography now?
Vincent said in 10 years of working in the region, he has never seen such a dramatic loss of sea ice.
And in 15 years of working in this region, I’ve never shovelled so much snow this early in the year. So what?
Scientists said it is the largest event of its kind in 30 years. They point their fingers at climate change as a major contributing factor.
And there they go again. Maybe they meant to say “3,000” years. Or maybe 300? In other words – what is the significance about any event of this type being the “largest” in 30 years and how does that legitimize the assertion that it’s an indication of global climate change? Are we to deduce that an even larger chunk broke free in 1976? Or that – more likely – data is insufficient prior to the mid-1970’s to make any meaningful comparisons.
Despite the article’s mention that this chunk of ice “travelled west for 50 kilometres until it finally froze into the sea ice in the early winter”, Mr. Vincent seems nearly inconsolable;
“We’re seeing the tragic loss of unique features of the Canadian landscape,” Vincent said, adding the global climate is crossing an unprecedented threshold.
“There are microscopic organisms and entire ecosystems associated with this ice, so we’re losing a part of Canada’s natural richness.”
It’s a good thing Dr. Vincent wasn’t around to witness the effects of the North American megadrought of the 1600’s. He’d have positively had a bird. In the comments, Cal2 makes this wry observation;
11000 football fields sounds way worse than 20 square miles […] just for comparison the area of Calgary is 300 square miles.the area of Red Deer Alberta 25 square miles or 14000 football fields.
Arctic weather map (It’s -36C in Alert this morning).
Back to our article. Just how did they learn of the momentous event? No one was on hand to observe it. Scientists “reconstructed” it “using high tech monitoring devices, including satellite images”. Presumably, the same ones that were in place prior to 1906, to enable widely quoted scientists like Dr. Vincent to place his “10 years” of regional observation in the broader climatological context.
With all due respect to the climate cultists – while it ensures the media attention you crave, the use of alarmist terminology like “tragic” and “unprecedented” to describe an ice cube floating in the arctic ocean isn’t likely to sway skeptics already desensitized to sensational overkill.
Related – Residents of Nunavut don’t seem as concerned about the polar bear population decline as the armchair activists are. In fact, they’d like to keep shooting them, thankyou very much.
Also related – The FCPP is hosting a lecture with historical climatologist, Tim Ball on January 27th in Winnipeg.
Tragic was the iceberg that the Titanic hit–this incident was just the normal evolution of the earth. Dr. Vincent worries about a hunk of ice causing the Canadian landscape to be destroyed because of microscopic organisms being lost, but has no concerns about the polluted water and air that just keeps getting worse in Canada. It is this kind of rhetoric that makes many thinking people understand that these cultists are just looking for more funding, not that they have anything meaningful to contribute. If he was so concerned why wasn’t he up there caring for this icecube–maybe duct tape it to the rest of the ice? This is the mentality that is teaching our children at Laval and other Universities?
Leftists really need to get that the lifespan of the average demo-troll is NOT the cosmic benchmark for time…
“… to the climate cultists ..” That is EXACTLY what they are, cultists.
And this whole scam is so stupid, so obvious, so pathetic, so democracy destroying, and so easy to see through.
Just google two words, Maurice Strong.
If the Leftstream Media had half a brain and would have asked just a few questions, the Kyoto Hoax would have been dead in the ‘naturally changing climatic water’. But oh-no, not our beloved waco-journos.
The media has got a lot of milage and tree harvest out of Oak Lake, Manitoba,
The end result of the “Global Warming Consensus” should be pretty interesting …
I have heard several times that the good science (which has far more modest predictions) is being ignored in favour of bad science; bad science meaning where they take unrealistic mathematical models, fill it with faulty data and flawed assumptions in order to get more dramatic results.
A question I have is what is going to happen over the next 10-20 years? If the scientists who are using bad science are discredited is global climate change going to become the punch line in a joke? When their predictions don’t come true are people going to claim that it was because they were wrong or that Kyoto was successful (even though Greenhouse gas emissions will probably skyrocket)?
Climate change ?? Bring it on.
Thank goodness the last 15,000 years have been getting warmer, the ice sheets have been receding and thousands of “record warmest years” have been set.
It would be very uncomfortable for all the champagne socialists in Toronto who scream global warming chaos bullshit if they were still living under 10,000 feet of ice sheet.
They should be kissing the butt end of the great global warming god, because the inverse is the next advance of the ice sheets.
Which we are due for any time now !!
Don’t these Kyoto clowns ever get tired of running around in little circles in a panic? This type of propaganda is now so predictable that it isn’t even funny any more. But, of course, brain-challenged left wingers join the lemmings in going over the cliff. I guess this is what happens when they take critical thinking out of the school curriculum.
The leftist “Climate Injustice” types are truly suffering from a chronic brain disorder, nobody in their right mind could be taken by such B.S. Woof.
“The scare about global cooling was always the same: unprecedented low temperatures; the coldest weather recorded; unusual floods and storms; a rapid shift in the world’s climate towards an icy apocalypse.
But now, the scare is about global warming. To convert from the first scare to the second, all you have to do is substitute “the coldest weather recorded” with “the warmest weather recorded”. Replace the icicles hanging from oranges in California with melting glaciers on Mt Everest, and the shivering armadillos with sweltering polar bears. We were going to freeze but now we are going to fry.” – Andrew Kenny, The Sunday Mail
That’s probably why the slogan has switched from “global warming” to “climate change” – this way they can cover whatever event or “geography” they want and measure whatever period of time that supports whatever they want to say.
‘The world’s about to end’ – always gets an audience.
But what about the accelerating magnetic pole shift? That couldn’t have anything to do with changes in the Canadian arctic, could it? Nah.
Climate change/globalwarming — I read that Mars is also warming. Little trickles of water/ice five years ago are now much larger streams. So what is casing Mars to warm? Is it all those SUV’s or is it all Stephen Harper’s fault anyway? Let’s just give our heads a shake.
PM Stephen Harper tips his toes into the Arctic Ocean, and a chunk of the ice drops off. Do you think there’s a connection? I’ll bet there is, and I’ll bet that Stephane Dion uses this “fact” in his election campaign…..”See how evil dis Stephen Harper is….he poots his foot in da Arctic Ocean, and a hooge chunk of the land drops off….if we don’t get him out of office, Canada will be nuthing but chunks of land. He will break up dis beautiful country, where you can have French citizenship and still be Prime Minister.”
Look for that story in the MSM, because it’s sure to come.
Wasn’t it David Suzuki that gave a speech at an eastern university about the disastrous effects of global COOLING in the 80’s?
From the CBC article on polar bear hunting:
“…But the environmental groups behind the proposal say they are not targeting the sports hunt but rather hoping to encourage the U.S. government to take action to reduce climate change.
“It is possible that a species listed under the Endangered Species Act, that the Fish and Wildlife Service would still allow importation of sport-hunted trophies if they found that the hunting was consistent with the conservation of the species,” said Kassie Siegel, who is with the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity.”…”
How, exactly, is sport hunting consistent with conservation of a species?
The false god of leftism is the diety of Victimization. Without a victim, there can be no rationale for leftist socialist causes – no reason to go the extra mile for someone else, to build an economic model on the plight of someone else. It is only natural for the true believers to move to the Nirvana of World Victimization. Like any religion, you have to elevate hopelessness to the level of the unknowable in order to obtain mass appeal for your catechism. The left are not cultists, they are the new islamofascists.
I have a running debate on canadian content about this catastrophe. The Kyoto Klowns refuse to understand that this is simply an iceberg. It will happen again and again.
Candace, many ways. Go get yourself a degree in population biology and wildlife management, and come back to talk. All will be revealed.
Skip, that is a totally ungracious and rude remark. There are many people in the country who, through no fault of their own, dont understand the relationship between hunters and hunted, fishermen and fish.
I have always felt that blogs were a place to go to get information, not gratuitous remarks like that.
I wonder if you wanted Candace to get those degrees so she could come back and educate you.
In the meantime, go and take a few courses in civility.
If you want to get the truth on all this crying about human’s effect on global warming go and visit
w3.friendsofscience.org. You will get the real skinny there.
Don
Long live climate change. Perhaps the ecoconspiracytheorists will be among the spiecies failing to adapt to new evolutionary realities and die out just like the dinosaurs did oh so long ago.
skip, you nailed it !!
“The left are not cultists, they are the new islamofascists”. (They have transformed.)
And as Patric Moore, Canadian, Greenspirit.com said; ‘Global Warming(Climate Change, Climate Justice or what ever one wants to call it), is perfect Cultist-material. The ingredients.
1) a so-called subject that is hard to prove, either way. (although man-made-warming is now being disproved; solar forcing, climate has always changed, was warmer a 1000 years ago, we are still warming out of the last ice age, Mars is also warming, CO2 is the least impotant of the GH gases ect.
2) a so-called victim. Us.
3) a so-called villian. Oil companies.
4) a so-called bad boy. Mankind.
5) a cult leader. Maurice Strong.
6) an enabler. Our beloved media. Their job is to foster and promote and perpetuate the myth in order to sell in their dead tree business. Just as they did with; Y2K, DDT scare, Population Explosion, Malthus Food Shortages, Mirabelle Airport, Crop Circles, Martians, Oil For Food, Franken Foods, Global Cooling, Lost City of Atlantis, SARS Panic, West Nile Panic, Roswell NM Spaceship, Shroud of Turin, One World Governance, Earth Charter, Bermuda Triangle, UN/Mann’s hockey stick graph …
Hoaxes/scams all. So funny, if not for the hardship it imposed on those that fell for them.
So whats with this high level ‘crat in the environment Department who just got handed his walking papers?
As a patriotic Canadian, I must protest the conversion of the size of this ice mass to “football fields”, that’s more an (gasp) American thing.
Oh, and is that NFL or CFL football fields, there’s a big difference, especially in the end zone.
For a Montreal based prof to convert to “football fields” is particularly insulting, what with his residence in the home of Les Canadiens.
So, how many damned hockey rinks is this ice mass? And I mean NHL, not those European ice dancing rinks! Give it to us in language we Canadian masses can comprehend! (mutter, mutter)
Let’s see, um, knought into knought is knought…..why, it’s a whole bunch of hockey rinks, and they haven’t vanished from the Canadian landscape, only relocated 50 km away!
Hmm, about the size of half a dozen good Manitoba farms, or a fortieth of the Gang Ranch, doesn’t seem so big, or catastrophic.
As for the polar bears, there is one regular poster here at SDA, whose RCAF buddy worked on the DEW line in the 60’s, his comments regarding the Natives respect for this form of wildlife, are rather startling. Hope he posts in on this thread.
Chill out, Lee (pun intended). I’m sure Candace was sharpening a rhetorical knife to puncture Lee’s (assumed) pomposity. Now you ruined her opportunity to say (oh, so sweetly): “please explain, mr expert.”
Actually, Skip’s largely correct – this needs a long conversation: simple predetor-prey models (which is where one has to introduce the subject) are misleading.
Sport hunting (my crude definition) – “the deliberate culling of a species that is having a deleterious impact on its environment as a consequence of unstable interactions with other population sub-groups”
Does NOT apply to humans…
Question; Which ariel photo do you think the media made a story of, on the front page, c/w reprinted photo ?? #1 or #2
#1) a log boom in an almost perfect shape of a heart in a tranquil seting with sun-glistening waters.
#2) a poorly done crop circle, constructed in a farmers field by someone(s) with too much time on their hands.
You got it. Apparently many media outlets clamored for the hoaxy crop-circle. Why ??
And i,ll bet already AL GORE and the wackos in GREENPEACE are blaming it on GLOBAL WARMING i mean the chicken littles are always blaming such things on global warming like when they tried to blame the dec 26th 2004 tsunami on global warming and everybody knows what happend when the RMS TITANIC met with a iceburg
The story illustrates that the Kyoto crowd and the media have pretty much taken the whole debate over anthropogenic CO2 emission as a cause of global warming/climate change out of the realm of scientific debate and plopped it squarely into the realm of pseudo-religious cultism. At present there is virtually no meteorological or geophysical event that isn’t cited as “proof” of global warming. It’s rather akin to the “end of the world” cults whose gurus see signs of imminent demise everywhere and anywhere. Each and every revelation is in turn seen by the acolytes as proof of the inspired wisdom of the guru — all quite pathetic really, and so very human.
Candace, through groups like Ducks Unlimited and The Wild Turkey federation, just to name a couple.
Hunters are totally responsible for repopulating the Wild Turkey into Southern Ontario.
Also sport fishing groups like Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters voluntarily staff and funding fish hatcheries, and habitat regeneration.
Our licence fees go toward enforcement of poaching laws and restocking costs.
Well done Richfisher!
Its really not all that complicated.
When reading through the Alaskan Report on Polar Bears, I noticed that the information on ice coverage in he Arctic Basin was based on satellite images dating back to 1996. So it’s probably true that this event is unprecedented and shocking because it hasn’t happened in the past ten years. Which apparently is the extent Mr Vincent’s Arctic expertise as well.
BCL: I read your explanation but you stopped before the bit about iceshelves and national territory.
Cheers
SO the ice was 3,000 years old….only….guess this happened before, say about 3,000 years ago.
Why is this such a shock and surprise?
Is he saying that the industrial revolution put an end to the ice age? Gee, I don’t remember learning THAT in history/geography class. Maybe it was dino dung gas. I thought cows were the cause of climate change? The answer is blowing in the wind, no doubt. We don’t need to ask how this Laval professor votes, do we?
If you want to get the truth on all this crying about human’s effect on global warming go and visit
w3.friendsofscience.org. You will get the real skinny there.
And the real skinny on the Friends of Science Society is this: FoS receives funding from, among other sources, oil and petroleum companies, funnelled through the Science Education Fund. At least one of its founding members, Albert Jacobs, is a former oil explorations manager. At least one of their registered lobbyists, Morten Paulsen, is also a registered lobbyist for ConocoPhillips and Kinder Morgan Canada. This alone doesn’t prove that the FoS is merely a puppet mouthpiece for the oil industry, but it does raise some serious questions about their impartiality and credibility.
Incidentally, their most well-known spokesperson is Dr. Tim Ball, whom Kate notes is giving a lecture sponsored by the FCPP in Winnipeg next month, and who bills himself as “Canada’s first PhD in climatology.” In fact, according to Queen Mary College at the University of London, his doctorate was in geography. He has claimed to be a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg.” In fact, his professorship was with the Department of Geography.
In any case, his academic research agenda was indeed focused on “historical climatology.” His FoS biography describes Dr. Ball as having “an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition.” In fact, literature searches on Scopus and Scholars Portal find a total of only four peer-reviewed articles attributable to Dr. Ball in his entire academic career (spanning anywhere from 8 to 14 to 28 to 32 years, depending on who you ask), all focused on climate change in the Hudson Bay area during the 18th and 19th centuries, all published prior to 1994 (and three of the four published in the 1980s). Again, this alone does not necessary indicate that Dr. Ball is a poor scientist, though it does suggest that he may not be as qualified a technical expert on the science of long-term global climate change as his backers would like you to believe.
It seems to be a point of pride among SDA readers that they are especially critical with respect to self-styled punditry, adept at examining the backgrounds of (usually “left-wing”) “experts” in order to expose cracks in their legitimacy. I encourage you to apply those same high standards to FoS and its membership.
No problem, Skip! I didn’t realize a formal education was required to ask a question. Never having hunted, I haven’t a clue & was looking for information.
richfisher – thanks for the info, I’d forgotten about Ducks Unlimited & others.
bigcitylib, you made a typo. BCLSB should and does read BCLBS.
Would the author of the story (its impossible to call this drivel journalism or scientific reporting) please point out the broken ice shelf on the satellite photo provided by CTV. We will then be able to determine how significant this is to the arctic ice cap.
Then again, don’t bother its insignificant! it would not even be visible on the satellite photo.
The tragedy here is that taxpayers fund fluff programs in universities so that this professor and many of his ilk may “earn” a living.
I want all Chinooks reported as climatic disasters.
average chinook covers 100,000 sq. kilometers or in laymans terms 17 million football fields. they melt up to a foot of snow easily making them worse than any moving ice shelf.
Go cast your vote on Climate Change:
http://rm.angusreidforum.com/?cid=178&rs=GgEnGW
I have known Dr. Tim Ball for a long time. He is very, very qualified in his field of Climatology.
Tim’s work in researching the Hudson Bay Company’s weather and climate data was, and still is, unprecedented. A man of impeccable integrity. He is absolutely NOT, I repeat, NOT in the back pocket of energy companies.
David Suzuki watched fruit flies for a while. Then he so-called ‘taught’ at a university. Then he voiced over for the CBC, whose funding comes from a political organization bent on imposing social engineering ‘ideas’.
INTEGRITY ?? Choose your weapon.
The big ice cube much a do about nothing. But to the alarmist nut bars the world is in dire straights. Yes more money to be had for giant ice cube studies. Like it appears to be, or more than likley might be, it seems to be; so it must be true. Hey every day people flush down whole ecosystems in their toilets and no howdey do about that.
Huge ice shelf breaks free in Canada’s far north
Reuters AlertNet – 29 Dec 2006
By Jeffrey Jones. CALGARY, Alberta, Dec 29 (Reuters) – A chunk of ice bigger than the area of Manhattan broke from an ice shelf in Canada’s far north and could wreak havoc if it starts to float westward toward …-
Reuters Alert!! Clear out of Alberta, CBC, and parts of Yukon. CWB-Sask exempted. Newfies can stay; they are used to living on icebergs, like those seals Bardot wanted to have … All else run for the hills. …-
(The MSM/Jones are idiots.)
Tree huggers should take note of the Denver area weather for the last week, which gave them from 3 to 6 feet of snow. If you want to build up glaciers and snowcaps in the mountains, then the Denver snowstorms are an example of what you are hoping for. Along with long cold winters (now what snowdrift is my Smart car under?) and short cool summers usually with crop failures.
But hey, the world has way too many people anyway, right?
In about 1975 flew one of two helicopters supporting eight or ten geologists working for Atlantic Richfield Petroleum (ARCO) on a two month project on Ellesmere Island. They had set up camp on Canon Fjord. (Canon is pronounced Canyon, I am missing one of those ` marks over the n). There was an intermittent stream running by the camp but the water in it was too mineralized to be used for anything but washing. The drinking and cooking water supply was solved by rigging up a 45 gallon drum to be slung under the helicopter. There was an iceberg conveniently just off shore completely immobile because it was locked into the completely frozen bay. With the summer warmth it was melting slowly and had formed a beautiful aquamarine small pond accessible by our helicopters. My question then, and still is, how the iceberg reached that resting spot unless the fjord or bay had at one time consisted of open water. Was this open water caused by some hitherto unknown industrial age with high production of anthropomorphic carbon-dioxide or was a previous warm period caused by natural forces responsible? Do you think I could get a straight answer to that question from Dion, Layton, Gore or that eminent butterfly and climate expert, Suzuki?
B. Hoax Aware writes: I have known Dr. Tim Ball for a long time. He is very, very qualified in his field of Climatology.
I don’t doubt that, as long as we understand “his field of climatology” is be limited to changes in climate patterns in the Hudson Bay area in the 19th century, since that’s apparently all he researched during his time at UW. Climatology is a big field. I’m not so sure that, from his limited sphere of academic knowledge, Dr. Ball’s range of technical expertise can be credibly extended to authoratitive commentary on the effects of CO2 and other gases on global climate change patterns.
Of course, the same could be said for Dr. Suzuki, but then I wouldn’t take Dr. Suzuki’s pronouncements on global warning as gospel. The collective expertise of the IPCC and every legitimate scientific academy on the planet, on the other hand…
A man of impeccable integrity.
Integrity is defined by Merriam-Webster as the “firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values”; impeccable, “free from fault or blame.” In the 28 May 2006 issue of the online news website Orato, Dr. Ball lamented that “few listen [to the message that global warming is a myth], despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology…Few listen, even though…for 32 years I was a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg.” An odd statement from this man of impeccable integrity, given that he’s likely quite aware that he was awarded a PhD in Geography for a thesis on a topic in historical climatology and not a PhD in Climatology (and even if it had been, he wouldn’t have been the first in Canada to obtain one), and that his professorship with UW’s Department of Geography lasted for 14 years rather than 32. He would know this because his PhD was awarded in 1983, previous to which he had been working at UW as a lecturer. He retired as a full Professor of Geography in 1996.
He is absolutely NOT, I repeat, NOT in the back pocket of energy companies.
Maybe not consciously, maybe not willfully. Maybe he’s just being used. In a 17 May 2006 meeting with the Ottawa Citizen editorial board, he stated that the role of the scientist was to “challenge and to question and to test,” yet when asked whether he ever received funding from oil and gas companies, Dr. Ball replied, “I made a point of not trying to find out who’s paying me.”
Dr. Ball may truly believe that the climate change theory is wrong. Still, the fact remains that the FoS is funded in large part by the oil and gas industries, and the FoS funds Dr. Ball’s advocacy activities. Doesn’t it strike you as just a little suspicious that one of the most high-profile organizations specifically created to oppose the climate change theory is supported financially by the same industries who stand to lose the most if that theory is used as the basis for future environmental policies?
B. Hoax Aware
15 years ago, people who followed the global warmers were cultists, but the mania has since mushroomed into a full-blown apopolyptic religion.
According to a recent Globe & Mail poll, 65% of Canadians believe that human activity is causing global warming. God help us all, we’re reaping the fruit from dumbing down the public education system.
It gets worse. About a month ago, a poll (I don’t remember whose) indicated that an astonishing 25% of Canadians believe that global warming is going to make the earth uninhabitable.
With regard to the new ice island – it does pose a practical threat, as it could conceivably drift into the Beaufort Sea where all the offshore oil wells are. There have been several new ice islands produced since people started to pay attention to them 60 years ago, but most of them were long gone before the offshore oil fields were developed.
One of the best know ice island,T-3 was calved from the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf in the 1940s and had an initial area of about 40 square miles. It wandered all over the Arctic Ocean for decades. It was grounded for a couple of years near Wainright, Alaska and eventually drifted with the pack ice between Greenland and Iceland and disappeared in the North Atlantic.
The U.S. maintained a weather station and bio-research station on T-3 off and on from 1952 until 1979 and even landed C-130 Hercules aircraft on it to bring in modular housing.
Nothing new under the sun. Nothing new about the object of the current “big story” either, as it actually broke off of the Ayles Ice Shelf in 2005. Dec. 28, 2006 was clearly a slow news day.
offshore oilwells in the Beaufort?
cant think of any?
there is oil well at Bent Horn but its on land.
The Beaufort has abandoned wells. Plugged way below surface. the Mackenzie delta a few gas wells but they are all on land as well.
A:
I’ve met a few FoS members, and they are decent thoughtful people. About half of them are, like me, scientists (mostly retired). They work for free because they care about the public interest.
Most of them have children and grandchildren, but the Suzukians would have us believe that they are driven by a burning (no pun intended) desire to see the planet made uninhabitable. That is plain silly. For that matter, it’s silly to think that oil company executives (most of whom are also scientists and family men) are so profit-driven that they want to see an end to civilization. A small minority of execs have even “gone over to the dark side” and taken the view that AGM may be a genuine problem, but they want to work for “”solutions”” without bringing the economy of the developed world crashing down around our ears.
I feel so humbled. I had missed the idea that iceshelves should be converted to hockey rinks not football fields. so 35000 hockey rinks. It was only when we shipped the story to the yanks should we have converted it to football fields- 11000 football fields.
and for vegas types , blackjack tables – 30 million blackjack tables.
and for CBCpravda types- 13 billion of Peter Mansbridges skin toupes.
which has higher albedo -mansbridges head or the iceshelf?
This is an interesting item about predicted global cooling.
Here is a copy of comments I recently posted on an ‘enviro-fear’ blog:
I have a Bachelor of Science Degree and am working towards
> my Bachelor of Education Degree in order to teach High School
> Biology by the fall of 2008.
>
> As a future teacher I am concerned about the intellectual honesty
> and balance of the Canadian education system regarding global
> warming and climate change. After reading several messages
> generated from within this group, I have the same concern about this
> group.
>
> Climate change as a result of human activity is presented as being a
> fact when it clearly is not even close to being proven. Look at the
> history of our planet. In the last million, 100,000, 10,000, and
> even 1000 years ther is irrefutable evidence that the climate of our
> planet has changed dramatically several times. More minor climactic
> changes have been documented from the middle ages. Heres the rub.
> Was human activity present on the planet in a significant degree to
> have even a remote chance of causing any of these changes? Of
> course not. Is it therefore fair to assume that any current climate
> change on our planet can be attributed to human activity? OF COURSE
> NOT.
>
> Why is every natural disaster on the planet used as fodder for
> the ‘enviro-fear’ industry? If the Antartic ice sheets are shown be
> starting to melt has any honest reporter or scientist ever thought
> of asking the question: Would this be happening on our planet
> whether or not humans were on it? A partial answer to these two
> questions is that the scientists whom research these areas and the
> reporters who report on them would be out of work and research
> dollars if they were intellectually honest.
>
> I think that is is very ‘humano-centric’ for us to think that we
> really have a significant influence on the climate of this huge
> planet. We are missing the point about environmentalism by being so
> concerned about C02 emissions, when C02 is NOT a toxin. It
> encourages plant growth and development throughout the world. We
> SHOULD be raising awareness about real toxins and pollutants and
> developing ways to reduce their introduction to and remove them from
> our ecosystems. It is poor stewardship on the part of the human
> race to be wasting our time and money on the mitigation of C02
> emissions.
cal 2:
BP has offshore production in the Prudhoe Bay area – not being an oil guy, I can’t tell you the names of the fields, but it’s been going on for nearly 20 years. It’s fairly shallow water stuff, but I understand that offshore drilling has been moving further out lately. I’m guessing that you ARE an oil guy and that you are therefore thinking only of the Canadian sector. BTW, I seem to recall that somebody drilled a $50 million hole on the Canadian side this year and hasn’t released any results. What can you tell me about it?
I’ve long noticed that ice tends to melt in August and water freezes in November. I still get a kick out of comments the CEO of IPSCO made at the annual general meeting in Regina years ago concerning global warming. To paraphrase…”So let me get this straight, global warming means that in 50 years the weather in Regina will be what it currently is in Estevan?”
Poor Melfort will have to change its motto from “The Land of Rape and Honey” (which the odd tourist takes the wrong way), to “Soybean Capital of the World”.
yes thinking of Canadian side only. but the iceshelf broke of Ellesmere island a mere 1000 miles or 1600 km and about 10 sets of rock islands from the US side of the Beaufort. The US production islands are about 10 miles north of the coast at maximum.
the well you ask about is tight even to me, a notorius info hound in the patch.