Ok... why not? Things are boring enough at work today, so I'll drop the following hilarious link:

Man Charged With Assault for Farting on Cellmate

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/12/man-charged-with-assault-for-farting.html

Sure, that may not be serious, but, after all, 'tis the season to be merry... and laugh at crazy people doing insane things... ;)

Much like their fellow jihadis in Afghanistan, at the first sign of significant resistance... the Somali Islamofascists fade into the woodwork.

Maybe Allah isn't so sure what he wants...

Another poll at theglobeandmail.com needs input from outside the GTA.

IN keeping with the high tone established by CS:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,239317,00.html

Brussels Sprouts Cause Gas in Turtles, Too

A turtle given a Christmas 'treat' of Brussels sprouts at his sea life center home raised a rather large alarm with his reaction to the veggies.

After eating his snack, the turtle broke wind, causing bubbles to rise to the surface of his tank, where they popped and alerted the tank's sensors, reported Metro.co.uk.

The alarm was raised and marine biologist Sarah Leaney rushed to the tank, afraid it was overflowing. Needless to say, it was nothing more than a little gas emergency.

"Sprouts are a healthy Christmas treat for sea turtles," she said. "But they give similar side effects to those experienced by humans."

Taxpayers with small children win big in 2007, small tax gains for everyone else.

http://www.taxpayer.com/main/news.php?news_id=2464

...grovel grovel, sorry Kate...

Just found who the Shaw TV log fire guy is:

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/unwind/story.html?id=3cf8dc85-517a-4b09-a8c2-cf999378664e

I gots a tip for ya.

You people are ahistorical, sloping browed, half monkeys. haha

Remember Israels little scuffle inside Lebanon?

Remember all those reports of "Israeli war crimes" from organizations like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International?

Well, surprise, surprise, turns out the NGO's were full of...."poop":

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article.php?id=1132

Didn't see that one coming huh?

Chances of seeing this report on the news tonight? About a billion to one.

regarding the Erlich report, this is why I recinded my support of AI about 2 years ago, they were too politicized for my liking. I literally havent given them a nickel since and have no plans to do so in future.

I insist you award yourself the prestigious Bollix Award.

While you're at it, award yourself for the most creative insult.

Posted by: ol hoss at December 28, 2006 04:43 AM "

but you still havent answered any of the 3 questions now standing:

- where is your 'proof' that the bible pegs our dec 25 date as the birth of Christ,

- how in creation can the date of His conception be the same as His birth, and,

- where does the bible say we are supposed to celebrate xmas as a religious holiday regardless of the date?

another question still unanswered: how do the above questions constitute 'knee jerk leftism'???

also regarding the insult award, YOU started it with YOUR insults. apparently you can dish it out but cant take it. how leftist THAT is.

I win again !!! LOL !!!

" how in creation can the date of His conception be the same as His birth"

Geez, I dunno, but I guess if you're, like, a 'God', you can do, like, 'anything'. :-)

Somalis fleeing the Islamic sharia courts.

The UN looks for "root causes".

It's murderous Islam.
...-

Yemen: Boats with Somali refugees capsize

All 17 smugglers have been captured, UNHCR said.

"The rescue operation is ongoing. There are 140 people still missing. Some of them may have made it to shore, and may be looking for assistance, and others of them may have drowned," UNHCR spokeswoman Jennifer Pagonis said by telephone.

"I am deeply saddened by this latest tragedy involving smugglers' boats carrying desperate people across the Gulf of Aden," U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres said in a statement.

"We urgently need a concerted international effort aimed at addressing root causes, educating would-be migrants and cracking down on the smugglers and traffickers based in Somalia," Guterres said.

Many of the survivors said they were fleeing the conflict between the Ethiopian-backed Somali government and rival Islamists. After a week of fighting, Ethiopian and government troops have reached the Islamist stronghold of Mogadishu.
...- (reuters)

It's good to note that Alex has provided a link to additional information on the Israel-Hezbollah conflict of this summer. Clearly, the NGO Monitor has its own agenda and that's fine but readers should also take its information with a grain of salt as they should that from Amnesty or HRW.

I found it interesting to note that there was no denial or mention by NGO Watch of the use of cluster munitions by Israel or Hezbollah during the conflict and reports that the majority of Israel's cluster munitions were fired during the 72 hours prior to the ceasefire. This information was also provided by Amnesty and HRW along with other NGOs. Israeli soldiers have confirmed the use of these weapons and we know that large areas (including civilian) are now contaminated by unexploded cluster submunitions.

AP's Handy Dandy Pocket Casualty Calculator

Painfully on-target: The New Pocket Casualty Counter From The Associated Press!

Are you freakishly obsessed with the daily casualty count in Iraq? Do you find yourself disappointed when a day or two goes by and no American soldiers die? Have you ever been at a cocktail party and said, “How can we be so damn jovial when George Bush is responsible for a death toll in Iraq that is approaching one-tenth the total of British dead in the Second Boer War?”

If you answered yes to any of these questions, you need the new Associated Press Pocket Iraq Casualty Counter!...-
LGF

Here is some cheery news for the good guys. Two Canadian rip-offers nailed along with US bilkers.

[itworldcanada.com/a/Information-Architecture/664be790-89be-43f5-8cef-a21cbff38b14.html]

http://tinyurl.com/tqfge

And a China based site you want to avoid, although China is cut off due to snapped international ocean cabels today December 28th/06. = TG

News of a little dispute on the streets of Londonistan!

Link ->http://www.womanhonorthyself.com/

" how in creation can the date of His conception be the same as His birth"

Geez, I dunno, but I guess if you're, like, a 'God', you can do, like, 'anything'. :-)

Posted by: Nemo2 at December 28, 2006 12:50 PM "

gotta agree with that nemo. so the question is refined to: where in scripture does it say that God chose to do this? to have His Son 'conceived' on the same day as He was born? and if scripture doesnt support this assertion it kinda looks like hoss came up with it all on his own. a common practice amongst the fundamentalists.

want an example? mr 'liberty university lynchburg' (google it) railed about the anti-christian motif of Sarah McLachlin's 'Lilith Fair' tour. so I did a lookup in e-sword (google it) for 'lilith'.

nuthin.

nada.

NO MENTION of any 'lilith' in the bible. so why does mr falwell, er, mr 'liberty university' get his nose out of joint over the name and attempt to make it appear anti-christian?

knee jerkism, thats why.

Bollocks, your getting boring.

There is a difference between when an event happened and the date Catholics/Christrians choose to commemorate that event. That is what we have with the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. Pope Pius 1X by way of an encyclical in 1854 chose December 8th as the date to commemorate that event. Same thing with Christmas. Religious historians pretty much agree that December 25 was not the actual date that Christ was born. That is, however, the date that most Christians celebrate the birth of Christ.

I hope that this helps.

Look Bollocks, why don't you set up a website and call it Bible B.S or something. Then you can argue your inane and totally uninteresting subject 'til your heart's content.
The rest of us want to discuss something interesting and timely.
And by the way, Lilith was supposedly the first wife of Adam, and she was one evil person. If you're within a hundred miles of a bible, check out the Book of Isaiah.

I've always been confused by the genesis story in the bible. Who did Adamn and Eve's sons marry? Did they have sisters or does the bible say other women were created too?

"something interesting and timely"

?

look jerry, discussing Christ's birth at christmas isnt timely?

nah, youre just bereft of any 'proof'. the boring part is the interminable waiting for hoss to cite his so called 'proof' the bible specifies december 25 as the key date.

also, what chapter and verses in Isaiah use the name 'lilith'??? or is this just another boring invention of the religionists who insist on invention and interpretation to get scripture to align with their agenda?

so jerry, what are you afraid of? the truth? that 'the christian tradition of christmas' is a collosal FARCE AND FRAUD, an invention by man at tangent to scripture and God's will? ANSWER THE GODAM QUESTIONS and then my postings on the issue will cease. I do in fact find probing and examining theological issues of this importance to be most interesting. you however appear to be in denial.

also, regarding the spouses of the children of Adam and Eve, as icky as it may sound today, and so it should, the fact is the genes of that first couple were in very good condition; there was no inclination to amplify genetic disorders by having children with a close relative.

they married each other and continued the population growth until, ummm, around the time of Lot possibly, when the edict came that incest was verboten. there was no longer any necessity to marry and sire children with a sibling, plus kinda like the ban on eating pork(trichinosis), God knew of the hidden dangers, ie, the looming perpetration of genetic disorders if siblings were to continue having offspring. this is why we need to obey God; He knows completely why such-and-such is a no-no. we dont have that perspective but historically there is a lot of proof of the advisibility of following His commands.

ah but Im a knee-jerk leftist so what would I know about this topic eh?

Lawyer: Bedard being persecuted for AdScam testimony

WASHINGTON (CP) - Former Canadian Olympian Myriam Bedard is "lucid and sharp" and deserves to get protection from the U.S. government after being persecuted and spied on in Canada over the federal sponsorship scandal, a defence lawyer said Thursday. ...-

CTV.ca | Pelletier firing not political, insists Martin
Pelletier was fired solely for the personal comments he made against Myriam Bedard, an Olympic champion and former Via employee, Martin told reporters in ...
www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20040302/pelletier040302?s_name=&no_ads=
...-

Here's Barney*:

PITY BEDARD. BUT HOW ABOUT JUSTICE FOR PELLETIER?
Compassion,...-
(national newswatch)
* W. Kinella.

I thought this was a cool revelation.

http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm

makes the whole thing a badly copied cornucopia of non-awesomeness.

Well, thank heavens our latest troll hasn't happened on the fact that Ukranian Christmas isn't on 25th of December. He would have the darndest time trying to figure out when the immaculate conception took place(other than his own, that is).

HUMANS were NOT designed to live in cold climates. Without proper clothing and shelter humans would die within a few days in Canadian cities. Therefore living in Canada is an insult to GOD. Everytime you live in Canada during the winter you are comitting mortal sin.

Further to Cal2’s link regarding the possibility of the Ka’bah originally being a Hindu temple, there is no doubt that it existed as a place of worship, a place to which pilgrimages were made, long before old Mo showed up and brought his own particular brand of evil to the world.

From Robert Spencer’s The Truth About Mohammed:

The Quraysh [Muhammed’s tribe] did a lucrative trade from the pilgrimages to the local shrine, the Ka’bah, which housed numerous pagan idols – chiefly the image of the god Hubal. The local gods of all the area tribes were represented in the shrine, along with other idols identified with trees and stones near the Ka’bah.

… the Prophet of Islam rode a camel to the Ka’bah. He found it full of idols – 360 in all – … He ordered that all the idols be burned except for an icon of Jesus and Mary...

I knew mohammed had borrowed a lot of stuff usually in a mistranslated way from his travels on caravans. the link shows that a lot of the kaaba symbols were Hindu. this had never occured to me that the Indian empire had occupied this area as well. just one more ingredient in a misplaced mishmash of marakesh mullahs and misquotes.

Here they go again, wanting special supremicist privelege over the infidels in order to stifle all opinion and criticism. Perhaps a UN supported court in the Hague to behead those who would tell the truth about Mo?

"MWL Wants Lawsuits for Abuse of Islam and the Prophet," by P.K. Abdul Ghafour in Arab News

JEDDAH, 28 December 2006 — A two-day conference organized by the Makkah-based Muslim World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islamic sanctities, at local and international courts of justice, the Saudi Press Agency said.

The conference titled “In Defense of the Prophet” called upon Islamic countries and governments to stand united to defend the Islamic faith and its Prophet. It denounced the smear campaigns to tarnish the image of the Prophet and urged Muslims to make all-out efforts to project the true picture of Islam and the great divine teachings of the Prophet.

MWL Secretary-General Abdullah Al-Turki said the attack on the Prophet was an expression of enmity toward Islam.

“The whole Muslim Ummah, including its leadership, scholars and ordinary people was outraged by such attacks and this again shows the lofty position the Prophet has in their hearts,” he said in reference to the Muslim response to cartoons depicting the Prophet.

MWL plans to launch an international program to introduce the Prophet and the conference called for setting up a fund to support the program. “The anti-Islam campaign also intends to trigger a cultural conflict between the Islamic world and the West and create a situation of clash and conflict in place of dialogue and peaceful coexistence,” the MWL chief said....

Jamal Badawi, a Canadian-Muslim expert on Islam, spoke about the Prophet’s outstanding influence on human history.

“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” he told the conference.

Positive impact? Like living the perfect example for rapists, pedophiles, mass murderers, brigands, thieves, war mongers, destroyers, bigots, racists and otherwise, savages to follow?

For that little outburst of truth, I suppose I'd get sued.

...we could only wish in Canada

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,239522,00.html

PUNE, India — Muslim women wearing the head-to-toe Islamic robe, or burqa, could be banned from shopping at jewelry stores in this western Indian city after a series of thefts carried out by burqa-clad robbers, jewelers said Thursday.

Voting is open at LGF for Idiotarian and Anti-Idiotarian of the Year 2006.

Vote Harper for Anti-Idiotarian. John Bolton is going to win aways but it would be nice to get the PMSH percentage up. littlegreenfootballs.com

...who let all the trolls out?

Bollix, your confusion in understanding what is written at the links I provided is not a failure on my part.

My Dear Bollocks:
Firstly I never professed to be a Christian.
Secondly I never challenged you with regards to your assertations.
I simply pointed out that you are obsessed with some obscure point about the alleged birth date of Christ and that I, for one, am tiring of it.
You were the one that brought up the issue of Lilith, and I merely pointed to you in the direction you should follow to educate yourself in the issue of her alleged existence.
In no way did I ever express that what has been postulated on this post has ever been the truth.
I suggest you read what has been said before and quit reacting in such an insane manner.

PS- you spelled GODAM incorrectly.

last paragraph is CBCpravda take on it.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/28/kingsley-resigns.html

Saddam Could be Executed within Days. (U.S. official quoted states "within a couple of days")
free republic

Comment:

To: Vigilanteman

"Bush's fault."

Thursday, December 28, 2006
The Blogosphere at War

I wrote this paper as an attempt to describe how the blogosphere works; to situate it vis-a-vis the mainstream media and to indicate some of the ways it can be used as a weapon of information warfare. The reader may find many of the ideas half-baked, and the reader would be right. But perhaps this flawed little monograph can contribute in some small way to a discussion of what the blogosphere is and what it's future might be. I truly believe that "it is possible that in the long run the global public will come to rely on fellow Internet users to learn about the world more than it will from professional journalists."
The Blogosphere At War
Background

There is considerable interest in the idea that "blogs" are somehow able to offset the mainstream media's (MSM) ability to sell a given narrative to the public, a power which is of considerable interest in peace and even more so in war. It is widely recognized that molding public perceptions through narratives is nearly as important in war as the outcomes on the actual battlefield. Palestinian Media Watch convincingly demonstrates that Arab and Muslim organizations have long made influencing international publics through print and broadcast media a strategic goal, especially in any confrontation with Israel. This effort has historically followed two tracks: ...-
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2006/12/blogosphere-at-war.html

"OTTAWA–After months of heated denials, the federal Conservative party has quietly admitted it failed to publicly disclose hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of donations..."

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/165383

Conservatives = Liberals:
Integrity and accountability only when cornered like a rat.

Winning the Information War in Iraq
By Michael McBride
Thursday, December 28, 2006

Excerpt:

It is time for our military to accept the fact that the media is working against us. Yes, they pretend they aren’t, and they posture behind the thinnest of guises, but they are actively trying to subvert the intentions of the President, and in doing so, “fighting” the military. It is time to fight back.

I am not talking about closing them down. I am talking about countering their methods and their messaging, and rendering their tactics harmless to our efforts. It can be done, and we should start by accepting that we no longer should be seeking their coverage as validation of our efforts or righteousness. They have gone beyond the pale, we no longer need them on our team, and in fact it is time to rid ourselves of them.

Then don’t look back.

Michael E. McBride retired as a Major from the Marine Corps and blogs at http://www.mysandmen.blogspot.com.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=winning_the_information_war_in_iraq&ns=MichaelMcBride&dt=12/28/2006&page=full&comments=true

Please forward to PM Harper, General Hillier, DefMin O'Connor, et al.

Unless the donations to the 2005 national convention were secretly passed to the party in brown paper envelopes Iberia, I fail to understand the assumption of your equation.

Anyone who equates the current liberals to the current cons is just slightly grasping.

Saw David Suzuki on 'The Weather Network' y-day. Saw, unable to turn up volume. Anyone know what the preacher was preaching ??

Is TWN a lacky of Enviro-Canada ?? Dion, as Enviro-minister directed EC to spend $billions on Kyoto. EC was planning on spending $billions more, but PM Harper knocked the Libranos off.

TWN posts/boasts "with data supplied by Evironment Canada". How much do they pay for said data ?? Can anyone/something else access the data and start a propaganda/weather machine ?? Just wondering. TWN has a lot of "weather news" besides weather maps om it's channel.

Yes, before being booted, Dion's budget was Multi-Billions !!!

NBC Breaking: Saddam Hussein to be hanged within 36 Hours (free republic)

Maddas: cornered like a rat. Inshallah.

Globe and Mail ON-Line Poll.

"Unusual Canadian Weather";

Yesterday

80% Bad man resposible, 20% natural causes.

today, almost even.

Head of Elections Canada resigns

CBC.ca - 2 hours ago
The announcement that Kingsley will step down in February from his position as the nation's chief electoral officer came in a statement from the Prime Minister's Office. ...-

Wally and multirec:

The last time I checked, unethical behaviour was not limited to transactions involving a paper bag. Moreover, when you're accountable, you admit to your mistakes right away. This could turn outto be the Tory's version of adscam.

More details: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/27/conservatives-donations.html

"This could turn outto be the Tory's version of adscam."

Wishful thinking imo.

Britain finally pays off World War Two loans

LONDON (Reuters) - The government said it will on Friday pay back the final instalments of loans taken out at the end of World War Two to finance vital reconstruction.

The payments of $83.25 million (42.4 million pounds) to the United States and $22.7 million to Canada will close the final chapter of the war and mean that in total the country has paid close to twice what it borrowed in 1945 and 1946.

"This week we finally honour in full our commitments to the U.S. and Canada for the support they gave us 60 years ago," Treasury minister Ed Balls said on Thursday. "It was vital support which helped Britain defeat Nazi Germany and secure peace and prosperity in the post-war period. We honour our commitments to them now as they honoured their commitments to us all those years ago," he added.

Britain borrowed a total of $4.3 billion from the United States in 1945, followed in 1946 by a loan of $1.2 billion from Canada -- both at an interest rate of just two percent. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759664/posts

Swollen corpses of Islamists left to rot in the African sun; the vultures pick their bones clean.
Inshallah.
Victory for humanity. Long live Ethiopia.
...-

Road to Mogadishu tells story of swift Somali victory

MOODE MOODE, Somalia, Dec 28 (Reuters) - The bloated corpses of Islamist fighters and an unbroken line of tank tracks along the Baidoa-Mogadishu highway tell the story of a swift advance for the Somali government and its Ethiopian allies. For at least 80 km (50 miles) east of the government's base Baidoa, spent shells from heavy guns litter the road along which the battle for control for the Horn of Africa nation has played out over the last 10 days. At least two dozen bodies of Islamist fighters, swollen by the sun, lie in the thorny bush of Moode Moode,...

The Islamists had controlled Buur Hakaba for more then two months and massed troops there for their assault on Baidoa.

But residents -- who complained the SICC had drastically cut the highway commerce the town survives on and imposed a brand of Islam too harsh for local customs -- said its fighters had been quick to swap their fatigues for civilian clothes.

Many said they were happy to see the back of them.

"I am very glad. I did not expect them to lose so swiftly and I thank Allah for their failure," said one local.

Another resident, 56-year-old Sheikh Ali Hassan, agreed.

"They have been here 65 days and I have never seen such abuse and harassment," he told Reuters.

"We have been Muslims for thousands of years. We have not been missing religion, we have been missing a government." ...-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759647/posts

ah, jerry thinks the world wide ('ceppen ukraine) date selected for christian christmas is, what was it? oh ya, 'obscure'.

whew !!! obscure !!! and as far as alleged lilith schmilith allegedly in the book of Isaiah, that was merely an example of how the hard right fundamentalists (see the *other* jerry aka falwell) insert all manner of topics into the discussion of scripture. theres no shortage of examples but I successfully made the point with just one.

and hoss, YOU are the confused one as to what constitutes conception vs birth.

as far as who is 'tired' Im VERY 'tired' of right wing 'christians' forcing the entire populace to kow tow to THEIR seriously flawed concept of the whole business of christmas. I betcha God did not order the celebration and observance for the very reason we see has in fact happened: commercialization. just another example how man fucks (

but what would a 'knee jerk leftist' know about any of that eh?

I win again !!!

11000 football fields sounds way worse than 20 square miles. just like oil spills are reported in liters. the icefloats just like it was before so no danger of the ocean overflowing. Archimedes had it figured out 3000 years ago, the MSM hasnt got it figured yet. just for comparison the area of Calgary is 300 square miles.the area of Red Deer Alberta 25 square miles or 14000 football fields.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061228/ice_shelf_061228/20061228?hub=TopStories

exised from the previous message for some reason:

insert expletive ....then insert left arrow, followed by "note the correct spelling sirrah", followed by "up everything he puts his hand to, more proof we need to pay more attention to what God has stated what we must and must not do" or words to that effect...

only 361 more days left 'til xmas (according to the chistian 'tradition')!!! heh heh !!

from elsewheres on da web:
"Six years ago

In early February 2001, Blake and his crew
took a satellite phone out on an iceberg
at the King George VI Ice Shelf in the Antarctic Peninsula,
a place WHERE NO BOAT HAD BEEN BEFORE,
and called government ministers at the United Nations Environment Program's (UNEP) office in Nairobi, Kenya, which is a supporter of blakexpeditions.}

Blake reported that he had
JUST SAILED ONE HUNDRED MILES (161 kilometers)
THROUGH OPEN WATERS
in a region usually covered with ice.

Klaus Topfer, executive director of the UNEP program, applauded the report as anecdotal evidence in line with predictions of sea ice retreat as a result of global warming.
Projected warming is likely to break up ice shelves further south on the Antarctic Peninsula, exposing more bare ground and triggering biological changes on land and sea.

That was approx SIX YEARS AGO..
it's a pity Blake isnt alive today
because I think he had what it takes
to just pick up a phone
and tell the World how it is ..
not want you want to hear ..just how it is."

there are mountain tops in the andes that have never seen bare rock reported until this generation. the natives are getting restless.

how many 11,000 football fields can you fit in rhode island, 'cause dat's da size o da iceberg whut cracked off some 10 + years ago and drifted past new zealand. melting as it went and raising the ocean level 0.00001 cms. but whose counting?

and the right ridicules Gore for being a democrat, NOT the science he cites. and point gleefully to temperature drops which are in fact inevitable. what you need to look at is TRENDS. hint: its like your precious stock market. p.s. why are winter rec vehicle sales here in the biggest hick town in north america in the toilet? according to mr hully gully 'cause there aint no snow to ride them on !!!

head in the sand, head in the sand. which there is going to be lots more of with the continued desertification of africa and the baring of still more presently ice covered areas all around the world.

Iberia -- The election contribution issue involves two different interpretations of what should be included in calculating a "maximum" donation -- not quite the same as stealing from taxpayers. Your suggestion that this is the equivalent of adscam is WAY over the top.

Schools out this week..trolls have much free time in mommy's basement!
Useless and Unemployed asshats carry on as usuall...........

Cal2,

Did you notice the age of the ice of the 11000 football fields.....3,000 years....so what was there 3,001 years ago? Well if the ice build up took 3000 years then one would imagine there was nothing but land there 3001 years ago....perhaps that is the last time this happened? or perhaps it was a lot longer ago.....maybe they should go stufy the ice and study the land underneath it.

As for Bollocks, ulm....yeah the Andes rocks have seen sunshine before.....and there is more sea ice cover in the antarctic and arctic this year compared to last.

Yes there are variations around a tend up and down. All that MIGHT tell you is that the earth is getting warmer, which is a trend from about 10,000 years ago. It says nothing about why.

Today some newscaster said that this has been the warmest winter on record. He said temps were an average of 4 degrees higher than normal. So, while we suffered 26 below zero F. I am so happy it was not 30 degrees below zero. Spent the day setting up my new computer, transferring files, installing programs etc. But, we have a problem, the speakers don't work. Something about the sound card. Can't find an 800 number for ACER, but went to the site, and it seems we have a code 10 problem. Anyone know how to fix it.

yo, mr stephen, not the entire peak of the mountains ALL YEAR LONG sirrah !! and what about kilimanjaro? same thing !!! and the alaska glaciers disappearing before our eyes. yada yada ya.

and again you cite a seasonal blip to 'prove' all is normal. you righties dont get it; its like an insurance policy, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. the difference now in 2007 is THERE ARE NOW 6 BILLION + of us on the friggin planet to be adversely affected by undesireable climate change.

you in the habit of playing russian roulette if in fact thats what we're doing?

and to all you righties who squawk and caw about 'tree huggers' hows this little tidbit from nature:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061228/nyc_hawk_061228/20061228?hub=SciTech

but just how does that improve your stock portfolio ??? mmmm... nah ...

intangibles sirrah, all those intangibles. but, better to sell software to the highest bidder customized for all those wall sized tv screens and put the video in a loop eh?

a two word synopsis of our only snow fall this winter here in the 'snow belt' which set a 30 year record and was all gone a week later due to a 50 year record temp high:

whoomp !!! poof !!!

good news the heating bill is down however !!!

Weird yet strangly appropriate...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9FIKcvfIVQ

"Yesterday
80% Bad man resposible, 20% natural causes.
today, almost even.
Posted by: B. Hoax Aware at December 28, 2006 07:46 PM"

Hoax: As someone who logs on early in the a.m. I've often suspected that there is some, shall we say 'manipulation' undertaken in the small hours.

It seems that every time there is a 'controversial' question the initial responses are inordinately skewed to the 'leftist', (for want of a better word), position, and although that tends to balance out later with more rational posters it brings into question the validity of the final 'results'.......which, in this instance, ended up 50-50.

Giant ice shelf drifting south Toronto Sun
Arctic ice shelf collapse poses risk: expert CBC British Columbia

Saddam walking the plank? Polar bears in a whiteout?
Sea levels rising? Ice in TO? Expert unnamed? Yawn.....

Go Sens!

how many 11,000 football fields can you fit in rhode island, 'cause dat's da size o da iceberg whut cracked off some 10 + years ago and drifted past new zealand. melting as it went and raising the ocean level 0.00001 cms. but whose counting?

Ice shelves float on the ocean, so how do they raise the ocean level?

Bollixed again. lol

AP Admits There Are Terrorists in Iraq

AP ^ | 28 Dec 2006 | Photo/Karim Kadim
"An Iraqi woman carries a child that plays dead as they take part in a performance in Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, Iraq, Thursday, Dec. 28, 2006, organized by the powerful Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's bureau to honor victims of terrorist attacks in Iraq." ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759788/posts

The weather guy said that the latest NYCity has ever gone with no measurable snowfall is recorded as Jan. 4, 1870 something.

Meantime BC now has enough for everybody.

moderated CNN version,but I was watching the telecast MSM_CNN version this morning and the "expert" said iceshelfs do raise the level of the sea because until they not floating on water until they break free. what crap. what is the shear strength of fractured ice - a hundred psi?
gives what - unsupported length of a few dozen feet.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/12/29/canada.arctic.ap/index.html

I just wish there was a way to call in and say BS.

Old Sod is one grumpy old bear; takes a swipe at the moonbats-dingbats. Sod tells the wackos to sod off. ...-

ITV's new prime-time shockerama, "Extinct" (Saturday 9th December, 7.30pm) was truly appalling. We were treated to an hour of dumbed-down seat-of-the-pants celebrity flummery, hosted by those two eminent scientific authorities Sir Trevor McDonald and Zoe Ball, in front of a happy-clappy studio audience who clearly didn't care whether they were watching "Deal or No Deal", "Come Dancing" or a programme about lancing boils, so long as they could whoop and cheer at every opportunity. The sound-track of plastic-rock-by-the-metre was all-pervasive as the almost inarticulate Anneke Rice flew in a helicopter ("Incredible!") over a snow-bound Arctic landscape ("Incredible!") in pursuit of several polar bears ("Incredible!") who were scared out of their wits until they were shot down with tranquilliser darts ("Incredible!") and had damn great radio collars put on them - all for their own good, of course. They might be "the largest carnivorous animals on the planet" (so where does that leave killer whales, then? They're bloody fish, are they?), weighing as much as 12 men, able to run at 25mph and allegedly capable of man-eating, but one actually found oneself feeling sorry for the poor buggers. You'd think they'd done enough to avoid being messed around by tree-huggers, wouldn't you, living at the very end of the earth in temperatures down to minus 40 degrees and surrounded by nothing but ice?

The format of the programme is simple. It's just like "Big Brother", "Celebrity Come Dancing" or "I'm a Celebrity, get me out of here!" but with animals. And celebrities.

Each week a celebrity has to champion an animal that's supposedly about to become extinct in a sort of balloon debate. The viewers can vote on which animal wins £1 million, which will probably be spent chasing it with helicopters. I expect they love it really. It's like a game to them.

For God's sake, just how low can we sink? What will it be next - "Celebrity Diseases"?
grumpyoldsod.com

DOCTOR WANTS EXTREME ANGER CLASSIFIED AS MENTAL ILLNESS
Dr. Ray DiGiuseppe's patients have thrown sandwiches at the person behind the deli counter because they didn't have the right amount of mayonnaise. ...-
nationalnewswatch

Love mayo? Not enough on your smoked meat? Call Dr. Ray, c/o Mort's Deli.

"Ice shelves float on the ocean, so how do they raise the ocean level?"

jeezuz hoss are you ever stoopid. ummm, how can I put this. they ARENT made of styrofoam.

the ice shelf sits on top of the water, then when it snaps off, wanders away and melts, ALL of it goes into the ocean INCLUDING the ice that was *previously* held above the water level by the floating action.

ergo, a rise in water level doofus.

also, all that high altitude snow and ice which is melting works its way into the oceans yielding a net increase in water quantity there. and also the receeding glaciers. w(here)tf do you t'ink the water goes sirrah? to the oceans thus higher still!!

crikey are you ever freakin dumb.

I win yet again !!!

yo, mr stephen, not the entire peak of the mountains ALL YEAR LONG sirrah !! and what about kilimanjaro? same thing !!! and the alaska glaciers disappearing before our eyes. yada yada ya.

and again you cite a seasonal blip to 'prove' all is normal. you righties dont get it; its like an insurance policy, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. the difference now in 2007 is THERE ARE NOW 6 BILLION + of us on the friggin planet to be adversely affected by undesireable climate change.

you in the habit of playing russian roulette if in fact thats what we're doing?

and to all you righties who squawk and caw about 'tree huggers' hows this little tidbit from nature:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061228/nyc_hawk_061228/20061228?hub=SciTech

but just how does that improve your stock portfolio ??? mmmm... nah ...

intangibles sirrah, all those intangibles. but, better to sell software to the highest bidder customized for all those wall sized tv screens and put the video in a loop eh?

a two word synopsis of our only snow fall this winter here in the 'snow belt' which set a 30 year record and was all gone a week later due to a 50 year record temp high:

whoomp !!! poof !!!

the good news is the heating bill is down !!!

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ah clever clever clever !!! a wee bit of the ol' cut and paste and my previously quarantined posting gets diced up like a christmas ham and slips thru !!! heh heh heh !!

...i'm starting to think canoe.ca is a left wing hezbulla outlet.

For a few months now, they have been posting "Picture of the Day" (found along the left hand column) of anti-Bush and the war in Iraq in a negative light.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Columnists/home.html

They have a poll below the picture of protesters bashing Bush rating him as the villain of the year.

"Americans chose George W. Bush as both the hero and the villain of the year in a recent poll. In which camp would you put the U.S. president?"

...sorry, the poll is ABOVE the image along the left hand column.

Maybe we can help fix the count as it paints Bush as the villain.

Anyone who signs their posts with "I win again" is an automatic pass for me. You are just spamming the blog and not adding to the debate.
enough

I suspect that most of the tree huggers and envirowackos believe in Darwins theory, survival of the fittest. So, when some species is supposedly in danger, doesn't that say they are not the fittest and should be gone. Also, the theory of evolution, doesn't that mean one species evolves into another. So, why the cry over the polar bears, they may be evolving into a non swimming animal. As far as the iceshelf breaking and raising the ocean. That will only happen when it melts, and considering they say it broke off over 18 mos ago, why the panic. Nobody noticed it so it couldn't have been a big problem.

NCC SAYS GOOD RIDDANCE TO KINGSLEY
The National Citizens Coalition says the resignation of Jean-Pierre Kingsley as Chief Electoral officer is good news for Canadian democracy. ...-
national newswatch

Librano$ are being kicked out; kick 'em some more, and faster.

Bullocks, since you're the 'new lefty,' I suggest you take a big breath and go back and read 'We wonder if we've oversold the science' as well as the comments. You might just come up to speed on the whole discussion and add something to it, that is if your plebeian brain will allow it.

And please refrain from your juvenile antics of "I win" or "I win again." You are only losing, worse than you can possibly imagine.

It broke off 18 months ago and he gets paid federal grants of $240000/year to observe such things. In here lies the problem, and within the problem lie the lies.

the story this morning is the ice cap is melting therefore the polar bears are endangered, but since the polar bears are endangered the Inuit cant sell the hunting rights to the yanks so they dont want them to be called endangered. sounds like more research grants coming.round and round it goes.

bullocks -
how can you not understand what Archimedes figured out in around 200BC.

Ice displaces exactly its mass of water, not its volume.

float an ice cube in a glass of water, mark it, let the ice cube melt. mark it. drink the water.
displace the glass up your a$$

I'm out of here for the balance of the year.
I wish, to all the commenters here, ( and especially
Bollocks) the blessing of God, through his only son Jesus Christ, a truly wonderful and holy new year.
May all of you find peace and happiness through His
love.

Dion*s French citizenship is an escape haven should he become indighted for a part in Adscam.

Giscard / Discard would ensure Dion*s safety if he were wanted in Canada for Tar and feather treatment. = TG

An Order of Canada Medal is presently listed on EBay: RARE- ORDER OF CANADA ,MEDAL OF SERVICE 1967 G. LANCTOT.

well thank you for that kind thought mr atric.

you neglected to capitalize Son.

yo, daisy, you mis-spelled plebian.

and speaking of what the speed of things is, how fast are you to realize this pattern of denial rgarding the risk of global ice melting is akin to a drug addict or a terminally ill person?

Anyone know a good palm tree salesman in the Ottawa area? Apparently we are all goiung to be living in a Florida type climate this time next year.......

"yo, daisy, you mis-spelled plebian." - bollocks

Plebeian: A coarse or uneducated person.

You are a lost cause.

the ice shelf sits on top of the water, then when it snaps off, wanders away and melts, ALL of it goes into the ocean INCLUDING the ice that was *previously* held above the water level by the floating action.

No wonder leftards are so easily misled. lol