NDP Leader and would-be Prime Minister Jack Layton, speaking before the Islamic Society of North America, May 20, 2006;
“We also have to put an end to the security certificates – the security certificates and that whole piece of legislation, bill C-36, must be thrown out!”
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Luc Portelance, Assistant Director of Operations, CSIS on June 3, 2006;
“This is the largest counter-terrorism operation and arrests in Canada since the creation of the Anti-Terrorism Act [C-36] and the amendment of the Criminal Code to better define terrorism.”
Ever wonder why neo-nazi’s and white supremacists don’t scare you as much as Islamic-arabs?
Has anyone read the 14 points of Fascism?
Anybody here have any of the following predispositions? :
1. the desire for powerful and continuing nationalism
2. distain for human rights–because fear of enemies and need for security. Look the other way when human rights abuse happen.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause–rally around this Islamo-fascism idea and create a patriotic frenzy.
4.Supremacy of the Military–military given disproportionate funding. soldiers and military are glamourized.
5.Rampant sexism–male dominated gov’t. which opposes abortion, is homophobic, has an anti-gay policy and legislation as well as a national policy.
6 Obsession with crime and punishment.
7. Distain for intellectuals and the Arts
8.Religion and government intertwine
9.Controlled mass media–government controls, manipulates
10 Corporate power protected
11. Labour suppressed
12. Rampant cronyism and corruption
13 Fraudulent elections
14. obsession with national security
If many or all of the 14 sound good to you then you know what to call yourself now. You are now or are becoming…Fascist
I think you ignored my point so you wouldn’t have to admit that the certificates DO involve due process.
They don’t involve anything like due process. No right to one’s day in court, no right to see the evidence, no right to cross-examine…why not not delve into history and admit that the Star Chamber had “due process” too? That would be that much more of a distortion.
Natural Justice is a universal concept not related to Canadian Nationalism.
You’re correct that natural justice is not specifically “Canadian.” But, together with all of those other things I mentioned, and you should include the presumption of innocence in the mix, the notion of a fair trial and equality before the law is Canadian enough for me.
It’s for things like that that my father went to was against the Nazis. Not for closed courts and secret justice.
Marx was not Canadian. Neither was Mao or Che.
And neither (to descend to your level for a moment) is George W. Bush.
The point is, you can focus on multiculturalism if you want. But with or without it, we would still have radical Muslims planning to kill Canadian.”
Right, Ted, out of your own illogical mouth muti-culti garbage is useless either way. They still plan to kill us.
Do you really think the headdress policy demonstrates a big milestone in the assimilation problems in France? Perhaps you’ve missed the riots in the Muslim suburbs of Paris and other French cities? The headdress policy had nothing to do with the riots.
“…I understand your point that, because so few people are having their civil liberties suspended, we shouldn’t give a damn, and should call people names who do… (security certificates) fly in the face of Canadian values and principles–you know, like natural justice, that sort of thing.”
This is where we differ Dawg. Your “knee-jerk” reaction to people who agree with the application of Security Certificates is that they don’t care about people’s civil liberties or justice.
You are 100% dead wrong.
If there was no judicial element to the certificates, I would be against them. But each one is subject to non-governmentat judicial review. That means that neither the police, the RCMP, the military nor the government could ask for such a certificate arbitrarily.
Unlike you, I — and several people here — see a need for balance between the safeguarding of civil liberties in Canada for a small number of mostly non-Canadians (1.8 people per year) against the civil liberties in Canada of the majority of actual Canadians (33 million people per year). It’s not that we don’t care about civil liberties… quite the opposite. We care more about civil liberties than those who would sacrifice the security of our country to those who would come in here and take advantage of our freedoms to cause harm.
If this world were as easy to frame as your opinion seems to demonstrate you believe it to be, then I would be totally against security certificates. But when you have people who want to launch SECRET terrorist camps… and plan SECRET attacks against our country… and have SECRET sub-groups who would take up the plans in the event of a failure of the original groups…
…well… maybe your government might just decide to be a little SECRETive themselves.
That’s what it takes to create security. If you can’t understand that, then nothing can help you.
And this is why I thank the maker Jack Layton isn’t in charge. He doesn’t get it… just like you.
Penny,
Here’s the liberal answer…
The policies on immigration in place today were set many years ago. Long before 911 and muslim based when muslims were just like any other persecuted (or so we thought) religous/immigrant group.
It is clear these policies have to be changed to reflect what we know of islam today.
The pressing question now is… what is Harper going to do about it without throwing gasoline on the fire?
I think you ignored my point so you wouldn’t have to admit that the certificates DO involve due process.
They don’t involve anything like due process. No right to one’s day in court, no right to see the evidence, no right to cross-examine…why not not delve into history and admit that the Star Chamber had “due process” too? That would be that much more of a distortion.
Natural Justice is a universal concept not related to Canadian Nationalism.
You’re correct that natural justice is not specifically “Canadian.” But, together with all of those other things I mentioned, and you should include the presumption of innocence in the mix, the notion of a fair trial and equality before the law is Canadian enough for me.
It’s for things like that that my father went to war against the Nazis. Not for closed courts and secret justice.
Marx was not Canadian. Neither was Mao or Che.
And neither (to descend to your level for a moment) is George W. Bush.
Penny, as usual, not getting it.
I said you can focus all you want on immigration laws or multiculturalism, but it won’t do anything to stop the current crop of Canadian citizens who are radical haters or are in the process of being radicalized.
I’m not taking any position on immigration or multiculturalism here other than to say that if we focus on changing those laws and policies right now, we won’t do a thing to solve the problems we have right now.
Children of immigrants are not immigrants. You can’t deport them anywhere. Ban all immigration of any kind and you haven’t begun to address the problem we have with these young men. Lots of studies show that immigrants are hard working and law-abiding. New studies are confirming that but showing that it is their children who take for granted what their parents got for them by coming here. So we have to deal with that.
Fred at 12:36 points us in some direction toward that. We have to invest more in education and entrenching Canadian values that we can all agree on like freedom of speech, conscience, equality of men and women, life/liberty/security, etc. We don’t do nearly enough of that for anyone let alone those who are ripe to be radicalized.
So yes Penny, focusing on who else gets to come to Canada does absolutely nothing to deal with the problem of who is already here.
Ted
Cerberus
Hey steve arnt those all liberano ideals?
Nomdenet; well said re: assimilation. Just what I was thinking as I listen to Dave Rutherford and his guest, Syed Soharwardy, Muslims Against Terrorism. A caller asked why there isn’t more out-rage, more protest from their group. Are they too scared of their own community to speak up?
Seems to me a good way to prove your peacefullness, willingness, and gratitude would be to become Canadian in every sense of the word.
Wow…. nothing like locking up a few wanna-be Muslim head-choppers to flush out the hard-left dip-shits in the crowd!
The sniveling and wailing is enough to make anyone sick – left wingnuts crying for the wanna-be killers of Canadian citizens. Do leftards ever say enough is enough, or is the bar simply dropped lower again after every atrocity? Pathetic…
Etaoin: Care to give even one example of how Ann Coulter is against democracy? And you complain about ad hominem attacks? As to free speech. you are exercising it here. And by the way “free speech” refers to the right to criticize the state without fear of retribution.
steve d.: Sounds just like any communist state I visited in the 80’s and like Nazi Germany I visited in the ’80s…woops, oh yea, they were defeated 61 years ago. None of those 14 points are attractive to me in the slightest and I am as anti left wing as one can be.You ever read the Communist Manifesto? If you seriously believe that free citizens who are concerned that their government is unable to protect them are fascists, then you need a good dictionary and a better shrink.
Slim:
Just skimmed through all of the non-conservative comments here. Don’t see anyone crying over these terrorists. Care to point to an example or do you come round here just to vent anger and hatred?
Ted
Cerberus
Dawg:
Your conception of due process suggests it was derived more AMERICAN (ooooooh, scary) TV shows, than from actual study or first-hand knowledge. Due process does not always involve a “day in court”, just as it does not always require a ‘jury of one’s peers’.
Educate yourself, sir.
SOrry, I meant “…derived more FROM American TV shows…”
Do the same, SwineMonkey. Our notion of “due process” is derived from English jurisprudence. I’d start with Coke and Blackstone, if I were you, and follow the leads.
Ted, re. your 10:12 posting I agree. My 9:17 and 9:19 posting are to get people thinking and hopefully pulling together to see Canada as a country that stands for truth and justice which in turn means appropriate enforcement of our laws and taking an active stand against acts of terror regardless of who they come from.
Dr. Dawg: Whatever George W. Bush has done, you are intellectually corrupt to compare him to Mao or Che.If you really believe that then I’d suggest reading a few history books. And if this bites, good. Perhaps you should descend…from your lofty perch with its rarified atmosphere.
Whats the cause?
New Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said last week he was losing patience with reports of U.S. killings of Iraqi civilians.
These dead see no justice.
What did that 18 month old, or the thousands of others, do to deserve a bullet in the head?
Ted, re. your 10:12 posting I agree. My 9:17 and 9:19 posting are to get people thinking and hopefully pulling together to see Canada as a country that stands for truth and justice which in turn means appropriate enforcement of our laws and taking an active stand against acts of terror regardless of who they come from.
Well, Mike, what they all do have in common is that they aren’t Canadian. Do even the obvious points escape you?
Steve D.:
“Ever wonder why neo-Nazi’s and white supremacists don’t scare you as much as Islamic-arabs?”
No Steve, I don’t wonder. I don’t need to wonder. The reason is clear. There are a very small handful of neo-Nazis who are so small, so irrelevant, so discredited as to be useless. I no more worry about an attack from neo-Nazis than the people in Italy worry about the Ostrogoths and the Visigoths.
Neo-Nazis are so yesterday. Islamofascists are yesterday, today and tomorrow. Too bad you don’t see the difference. The fight against European fascism has been won (or didn’t you get the memo?)
The fight against global islamofascism is now.
“And before anyone starts blaming multiculturalism, that too would be a dangerous mistake.”….then,….“I’m not taking any position on immigration or multiculturalism here”
Nice backtracking, Ted.
To go with this post’s “Timing is Everything” spirit, I was listening to CBC on the drive home Friday when they were broadcasting a piece about the zealous prosecution by Americans of unfortunate young muslim men connected to the “Virginia Jihad Network”.
I wonder if the CBC will be equally “zealous” in running stories defending the terror suspects arrested in Toronto on the same day of “Virginia Jihad” story broadcast…
If jack off says these things to buy some votes then he is an a-hole. But if he truely belives what he is saying, then he is an a-hole!
The same people that say we can’t blame all muslims for terrorists, blame all rightwingers when a few people do something stupid, why is that?
“The fight against European fascism has been won (or didn’t you get the memo?)”
LMAO! That’s good Warwick.
Dawg: No, but your reason for even introducing it is not. And I sincerely believe you already have a marvelous grasp of the obvious, so I can’t see the point of countering the issue that totalitarianism is NOT part of the Canadian culture with that brilliant observation of the birthplaces of world leaders. Bravo. Why didn’t you mention that Chavez, Arafat, Stalin, Trotsky, Lenin, Castro, the Beatles, Mickey Mouse all were not Canadian?
Yes, but refute my points, Dawggy-style!
Don’t evade them by making some psuedo-intellectual point which I’m sure you learned in Marxian Analysis of the Law 101 (hope you you finished your degree, BTW).
Am I wrong?
SOM(E)AS(S)
The same people that say we can’t blame all muslims for terrorists, blame all rightwingers when a few people do something stupid, why is that?
Huh? When the whackos who set off the bomb in Oklahoma were caught, I for one didn’t think this reflected badly on white people or conservatives.
In any case, it’s certainly not my fault if the screamers here want to typecast themselves.
Dont be so hard on Jack, he does give you a hand when crossing a sreet. He looks both ways before he proceeds. He always carries a copy of the rules regarding steet crossing in his hip pocked.
you are save with Jack!
Why didn’t you mention that Chavez, Arafat, Stalin, Trotsky, Lenin, Castro, the Beatles, Mickey Mouse all were not Canadian?
Why not address your question to the Dummkopf who introduced this red herring?
Reading the postings here I KNOW many would feel very comfortable with many of those 14 items. I read people rail on them every day. Look in the mirror.
We do soo LOVE all things military
We would really LOVE to control media. You guys go on about it all the time. Its not RIGHT enough drag it RIGHT, when its REALLY RIGHT we will say how fair and balanced it is
Tell me Harper isn’t trying to manipulate the media!
We have our scapegoats
Lets all keep waving our patriotism around
Those damned unions–down with them
Corporations can’t be given enough tax breaks to suit me.
Look in the mirror. You are marching the jack-boot road.
neutral sam asks: “Whats the cause?”
Here it is from the left liberal moonbats at the “Democratic Underground”.
Out the homos… next step? Sew pink stars on their coats. Next step? You know….., Himmler.
Hate Groups. A near monopoly of the Left?
Posted on 06/05/2006 10:02:16 AM PDT by rface
Hateful liberals are filling the Democrat Party and have motivated most of the left wing activists.
Their hatred of those that dare to think differently and their hatred of those who chose to live differently is approaching a dangerous threshold:
Democratic Underground: The Moonbats.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×1355435
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I demand that we Expose & Remove All the Homosexuals from our government.
Starting immediately by identifying all those who are, or might be homosexuals, or the parents or relatives of homosexuals, currently infesting our moral and Godly government.
I can think of several names right off the top of my head whom I strongly suggest are homosexuals, many of whom are in the republican party in VERY prominent positions.
If we are going to single out and banish certain undesirable elements of society, we must cleanse our own government first. … more
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1643717/posts
steve d; here is my disdain for your distain:( Free is right, many of those do sound remarkably Liberalesque.
kevin,you see,their whole purpose for being here is to attack the right.That’s why they appear to support the terrorists,they waste so much time provoking conservatives that there is none left to say if they actually support the terrorists or not.
We arguably JUST narrowly avoided the deaths of thousands of innocent Canadian men,women and children and they hang out here SOLELY to take potshots at conservatives.Tells you a lot about their character and misguided priotities.
People, cut down on the insults and stay on topic.
Steve D.
You really need help. You’re raving like a lunatic.
First and foremost, half of your points are not fascist. Conservative does not equal fascist.
Most of the points that are even remotely connected to fascism can also be connected to communism and others.
Really. Aside from some unfortunate rhetorical excess, there are no fascists on this site. I disagree with at least 1/3 of what I read here (if not more) but there are no Nazis here.
Frankly, the clear violation of Goodwin’s law alone should clue you in to your idiocy.
None of your posts make any substantial point but rave about fascists. If you have nothing useful to say, spare us your delusional rantings.
At least lefties like Ted have something useful to say. I disagree with him often (if not always) but he isn’t an idiot. Steve, you have nothing of value to add.
Dawg:Because you, and not dumbkopf, replied. How’s that for obvious? ‘Nuff said.
steve d: calm down. This isn’t first year political science. No one is trying to crush your precious unions. We all do beleive that one day you and yours will bring us into Utopia. And BTW, you seem to be obsessed with those “14 Points”. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Er, sorry Kate.
You know looking at that picture, I wonder if Jack was describing how he likes to get into a burka once in awhile so he knows what it’s like to be a real muslim woman. He sure seems to be willing to bend over.
steve d – where did you come up with your ’14 points of definition of fascism’? It’s invalid. I suggest you do a bit of reading on fascism.
1. ‘nationalism’ is a characteristic of ALL states. It has to be; our rule of law is, by international statute, defined within national boundaries. This includes economic treaties etc.
Fascist nationalism is ‘ethnic’ based, it is an a priori rather than civic mode. Fascism puts this ‘essentialist nation’ as pure, as a priori, as above the individual who is denigrated to a member of the group.
This is certainly a characteristic of islamofascism, which substitutes the religion for the ‘nation’.
2.’disdain for human rights’ isn’t a characteristic of any state. It’s a symptom of a breakdown in the rule of law – and is symptomatic of, for instance, Iran and Hussein’s Iraq, etc.
3. ‘definition of others as enemies’ is a typical nationalist agenda, and found in all nations that feel fragile. Canada defines itself, always, by being ‘not-American’ and ‘anti-American’. I don’t think you would call Canada fascist? Or would you?
The fascist definition refers to others who are not ‘volk’. Look it up.
4. Focus on a military. Every state that feels threatened, has a strong military, including the USA, Soviet Union, France, Australia, UK, China, India, etc. Are they all fascist states?
The fascist is not so much a focus on the military but on the male as ‘hero’; very Aegean. Check out the Iliad. The male is seen as a conquerering agent, who must always be engaged in war. Quite medieval.
5. Rampant sexism? What’s that got to do with fascism?
6. Disdain for the arts? Nothing to do with fascism. Plato’s Republic was strongly against the intellectual literature and the arts. Was it fascist? Or simply totalitarian?
I don’t think that the above is a definition for fascism. At the moment, Islam is against the arts, but that’s not a symptom of its fascism.
7. Religion and gov’t entwined? That’s Islamism.
Fascism isn’t necessarily religious; the source of truth is the nation, in its ‘pure essence’. Not religion. So – invalid as a definition of fascism.
8. Gov’t controlled media? Do you mean the CBC?
Propaganda is a major force of control in both communist and fascist states. No free press. Islamism rejects freedom of the press.
9. Corporate power? What’s that got to do with fascism? Do you mean gov’t corporations such as are found in Canada (the CBC, the airlines, etc)
10. Disdain for labour? Sorry- I don’t recognize this in any country. Well, maybe France.
11. 12. Cronyism, fraudulent elections – hmm, well, that’s in Africa, that’s for sure. It’s in the ME, where elections are rigged. Hey, in Canada too – what do you think the sponsorship money laundering was all about?
12. National security? Boy, what country isn’t concerned with that now?
So, steve d. I’m afraid your 14 points are a load of dishwater. Try reading some books on fascism rather than spouting off nonsense.
Ted, not letting little girls wear headscarves or crosses is fascist. Assimilation isn’t about what you wear; it’s about how you think. Jack Layton does not understand how the Clarity Act impacts on separatism and IMHO Liberals don’t understand on how multi-culti relativism weakens our ability to deal with Islamofascism – so I think I’m on topic.
Ted you’ve confused me; are you for multi-culti or against it?
Agreed Islamofascism is a global movement and those with or without multiculturalism will suffer from the radical Jihadist onslaught.
I maintain there is a better strategy than having a Ministry of Multiculturalism that panders to those who believe in cultural relativism, which I presume you do. That has been a big mistake in Canada and even worse in Europe because it de facto says it is OK if cultures don’t assimilate.
Canada would be much better off to have a Ministry of Assimilation. Let’s not ban what people wear. Instead let’s ban intolerance, which is what the radial Islamofascists represent. Also, instead of saying all cultures are equal under multiculturalism let’s just accept that they are different. We will tolerate your culture as long you pledge allegiance to intolerance as I suggested above. We as Canadians have to define what we are and that is something beyond simply not being Americans. Who are we and what do we stand for?
Multi-culti is a recipe for disaster because it stands for nothing.
As Cheri says above, Moderates need our help because they are scared of the radicals. Let’s arm the Moderates with some rules about intolerance and let them tell their Muslim radicals that Canadians think un-reformed Islam is unacceptable in this country. It is a socio-political philosophy that doesn’t even recognize the equality of men and women. Let’s help Moderates insist on change within Islam itself so that they can assimilate with us.
It’s a good thing people like Jack Layton and organizations like CUPE don’t have any influence on public policy.
If the muslim terrorists are convicted I say we reintroduce the death penalty so we can execute those mother fuckers.
As long as we keep acting like a bunch of pussies in North America the islamofascists will keep coming over here to attack us because they know we have no backbone.
It’s a wonderful thing these terrorist thugs were caught. Kudos to our great men and women and law enforcement. Unfortunately I doubt we’ll see them do any serious time, probably a Liberal trademarked slap on the wrist and an NDP trademarked hug and apology for hurting their feelings.
Still no response from the Snoop Dawg, I see!
Quelle surprise!
Massive immigration of Muslims from parts of the world where Liberal democracy is not a value is dangerous; period. Ask yourself, have European Muslims (40 million strong) generally embraced Liberal Democracy, or have they concentrated in enclaves where extremism is common and growing. Where are their alleginces? And, how effective, anywhere in the world, have “peaceful” Muslims been in eliminating and combating extremism? Then ask, what is the record of Muslim states worldwide?
If you have one shred of geopolitical, religious, and historic knowledge, you’ll be genuinely concerned and may even feel trepidation.
If you are like Dawg, you will completely ignore the “facts” and instead dig up dead horses, irrelevant or insignificant parallel situations, and more often than not, change the topic. That is how Socialist Utopians like Dawg survive and make sense of the utter failure of their dogma to make sense of what is happening in the world today.
To Dr Dawg & the other appeasers, Dare i say it. To those who’s hope is the destruction of this Nation. Treasonable individuals panting for Islamic radicals to control us all. Out of there own fears or because they support these killers.
There fear & cowardice is unquestionably the motive behind there desperation.As the very people they attempt to make martyers ofFor converts it those 72 virgins & a way to bring glory to there names by killing innocents. Plot our destruction. Destroy any semblance of personel liberty.
These folks are usually the ones you see at work, ratting on fellow employee’s while doing no work themselves. These folks figure if they defend ther hero’s of destruction they will be spared.Perhaps rewarded as good Dhimmi. Nope you will be the first killed.
Simon Weisenthal was “liberated” 7 times. As he stated in one of his books. “The only differnece between the Facists & Communists was: The communists killed the buisness men first than the intelligensia. The facists did it in reverse”.
This editorial speaks to the many issues brought up by the lapdogs of fear.The potentates of derison. The grandees of liberal insanity.Wake up bozo’s . These are not nice people. There terrorosts wioth you & your family’s in there sights.
As for Muslims here, they should get a fair hearing like anyone else. No better . No worse. It should be an individual case by case appraoch. That there is not only homegrow jihadists, but the Iman & Mosques are there ideological breeding grounds. This is irrefutable. Exported by our good buddies the House of Saud.
We are actually paying for oil, that they use to try to ikill us with. The West has gone insane.
Time to face facts
Calgary Sun June 5, 2006
So, the soothing illusion our country is safe from extremist Islamic terrorism has finally been shattered.
Even the most naive of among us — and some of those include politicians and government bureaucrats — must now know we can no longer pretend we can live in a comfortable cocoon where assaults and mass killings, such as those in New York City, Madrid, London and Bali, can’t happen here.
They can.
Indeed, they almost did.
We’re fortunate the RCMP, the Canadian Secret Intelligence Service (CSIS) and other police and security agencies were alert to the threat to our nation and nabbed some 17 suspects this past weekend across southern Ontario before missions could be carried out that would have spurred destruction and death among us.
Who can fail to be alarmed when RCMP Assistant Commissioner Michael McDonell and other officials revealed in their haul of terrorist apparatus were some three tonnes of ammonium nitrate.
That was three times the amount of this explosive radical Timothy McVeigh and his ilk used to destroy a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995 that killed almost 170 men and women.
The attacks that our police and security officials believe the suspects planned is almost unimaginable.
And let’s not delude ourselves and fall for the line of Lib-Left critics who contend we have opened ourselves to terrorism only because our soldiers are in Afghanistan or our country is allied with U.S. President George W. Bush and Washington.
Soon after 9/11, Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida organization put Canada on its list of targets.
Just last week, top CSIS official Jack Hooper warned members of the Senate committee on national security and defence of a looming terrorist threat to our country from both new immigrants and ‘home grown’ second- and third- generation Islamic radicals.
If Hooper’s testimony before that committee wasn’t sufficient a wake-up call to us, then this past weekend’s arrests and haul of sabotage paraphernalia should be.
We are now at war.
It is a war we must win.
Perhaps this is a war that we are already on the road to losing. This ‘terror’ didn’t start in Canada with the arrests this weekend, it didn’t start with the Marc Lepine (Gamil Gharbi) massacre, it didn’t start with the Air India bombing, just perhaps it started with the FLQ back in the Sixties. That was the first incidence in Canada of the majority caving into the minority. It spawned the Bilingual Act, the first step on the road to Multiculturalism. This was where the present day ‘terrorists’ learned that there are enough appeasers in Canada who are willing to surrender their rights to anyone who is willing to commit mayhem, extortion, violence, murder to further their ends. The last fifty or so years of Liberal/NDP appeasement has ensured that we can no longer go back to the Canada that once was. With all their appeasement, liberalism, political correctness,and ‘soft comfy fur’ we have squandered our childrens future. We are less safe today in our own society than we were fifty years ago. The social engineering has now cost us our future. The weekends arrests may have curtailed an attack somewhere in Canada but as tomorrow approaches I fear that these Islamic radicals will launch an attack somewhere in the Western world to counter the day that we all celebrate, June 6, 1944, the day that democracy rescued Europe. Tomorrow will be written 06-06-06. To these radicals it is an opportune time to ‘release the beast’. Comments.
Still no response from the Snoop Dawg, I see!
Au contraire, SwineMonkey, I pointed to a couple of good starting-points for your research into due process. Your subsequent post, frankly, was gobbledegook. I dodn’t see a question in it.
If you are like Dawg, you will completely ignore the “facts” and instead dig up dead horses, irrelevant or insignificant parallel situations, and more often than not, change the topic. That is how Socialist Utopians like Dawg survive and make sense of the utter failure of their dogma to make sense of what is happening in the world today.
I looked in vain for the slightest concrete example from DT to back up this windy series of charges. I feel as though I’m being asked to defend myself against the issuance of a security certificate.
Most of the 17 alleged terrorists are Canadian-born, which leaves the immigration issue a few steps behind. In any case it’s funny to read DT’s attacks on immigration from non-democratic states–that’s pretty rich, coming from a former Czech. 🙂
Still no response from the Snoop Dawg, I see!
Au contraire, SwineMonkey, I pointed to a couple of good starting-points for your research into due process. Your subsequent post, frankly, was gobbledegook. I didn’t see a question in it.
If you are like Dawg, you will completely ignore the “facts” and instead dig up dead horses, irrelevant or insignificant parallel situations, and more often than not, change the topic. That is how Socialist Utopians like Dawg survive and make sense of the utter failure of their dogma to make sense of what is happening in the world today.
I looked in vain for the slightest concrete example from DT to back up this windy series of charges. I feel as though I’m being asked to defend myself against the issuance of a security certificate.
Most of the 17 alleged terrorists are Canadian-born, which leaves the immigration issue a few steps behind. In any case it’s funny to read DT’s attacks on immigration from non-democratic states–that’s pretty rich, coming from a former Czech. 🙂
Revnant Dream, you obviously are the man to answer a factual question. You say that “Soon after 9/11, Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida organization put Canada on its list of targets.”
When, just how soon after 9/11, was that?