NDP Leader and would-be Prime Minister Jack Layton, speaking before the Islamic Society of North America, May 20, 2006;
“We also have to put an end to the security certificates – the security certificates and that whole piece of legislation, bill C-36, must be thrown out!”
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Luc Portelance, Assistant Director of Operations, CSIS on June 3, 2006;
“This is the largest counter-terrorism operation and arrests in Canada since the creation of the Anti-Terrorism Act [C-36] and the amendment of the Criminal Code to better define terrorism.”
This may be true or it may be an urban legend, but what the heck it’s worth a try.
Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so “Black Jack” told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs’ blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.
All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.
Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won’t make them flinch.
They welcome the chance to die for Allah. Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won’t get to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the devil.
“Don’t talk,” Ms. Khadr yelled to one suspect’s brother… (Notice the use of the politically correct “Ms. Khadr”. Such “sensitivity”; so much “tolerance” of Islamist terrorists. Appalling.)
The Islamist enemy within Canada:
Canada’s hard-line Muslims show up in court to support terror suspects
Canada’s hard-line Muslims can seem a pretty tight-knit group at times. As a long line of completely new terrorism suspects were being shuffled in and out of the prisoner’s box, there were many familiar faces looking on in the courtroom. via nealenews.com
“but they never appeared extremist.”
COLIN FREEZE
From Monday’s Globe and Mail
Extract:
Ms. Khadr, who once expressed an admiration for suicide bombers on national TV, sat looking at the prisoner’s box, speaking Arabic with Aly Hindy, a controversial fundamentalist preacher.
Having had many of their own run-ins with the RCMP and CSIS, Ms. Khadr and Mr. Hindy were intent on doing what they could for the families of the newly accused.
One such man was Tariq Abdelhaleem.
“Hello,” he said, looking shattered beyond words, as a reporter approached. “It’s my son.”
This was stunning. I had gotten to know Mr. Abdelhaleem last year, after he issued a controversial fatwa against too much innovation in Islam.
The imam was worried that Toronto’s Muslims were not sticking to scripture and were also becoming unmindful of the real problems in the world.
“Our Muslim brothers and sisters are dying in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Chechnya and other parts of the world,” he had written at the time on his website.
“The puppet systems that are in power in the Islamic world are collaborating with the Crusaders and Zionists to keep the ummah [Muslim community] under oppression.”
I wrote an article on the fatwa and quoted a more moderate Muslim leader as saying that the decree was “stupid.” Mr. Abdelhaleem was stung by this. A few months later, he invited me over for tea and cookies, and we had a pleasant chat about religion in his Mississauga home.
It was in the basement that I met his son Shareef, and several of his friends, all young professionals eager to express their own views to a non-Muslim writer. They, too, were outraged by the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. And they wanted to discuss racial profiling.
They were all upset, but they never appeared extremist. Now, one year later, 30-year-old Shareef Abdelhaleem was chained to other suspects, his anxious eyes meeting his father’s wounded gaze in court. …
As for Zaynab Khadr, she wasn’t saying much. The family’s exploits in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Canada are by now legendary. Her father, a friend of Osama bin Laden, was killed by the Pakistani government. Her eldest brother was arrested last year by the RCMP as the United States seeks his extradition on terrorism charges. Her second-youngest brother is awaiting murder charges in the legal limbo that is Guantanamo Bay.
In court, Ms. Khadr seemed content to look after two other young women also wearing full, black head-to-toe Islamic dress. One of them yelped as a teenager appeared in the prisoner’s box, pointing out he was without his prescription eyewear. The judge said he’d try to make sure the suspect would get his glasses. And then he vowed that every suspect would get a Koran, as consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Like everyone else who entered the courtroom, Ms. Khadr and her friends left under the gaze of a gauntlet of assault-rifle-toting police officers, and were swarmed by reporters who asked them questions.
“Don’t talk,” Ms. Khadr yelled to one suspect’s brother as she and her friend made their way to her Green 1997 Pontiac minivan.
And with that, they drove away. … more
http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13304.14
Well Dawg, let’s look at the issue of Security Certificates:
“Certificates have been part of Canada’s immigration legislation since 1978. Given the serious consequences of issuing certificates, the process has been used judiciously over the years and is employed only in exceptional cases. Since 1991, 27 certificates have been issued.”
And this from the government’s own website. I’m sorry, but in a population of 33 million, the fact that these certificates have only been used 27 times (?!?!?!) in the past 15 years really does not scare me.
So, in regards to the general consensus that Jack Layton’s opposition to Bill C-36 is ridiculous… well… if 27 times in 15 years is a horrendous abuse of authority in your or McLa-La-Land’s minds, I won’t bother trying to change them.
In a perfect world we wouldn’t need them. Do you honestly think this is a perfect world?
OK Ted, you make a good point and you as a Liberal seem to be onside that this is about trust. Who can be trusted with our security and holding the nation together during the gathering storm?
Let’s not feud like the GOP and Democrats or we could all get killed. I’ll try to stay more focused; Kate’s post was actually about City Councillor Jack.
On December 7, 2005, in the midst of a federal election, Jack Layton announced that he backed the Clarity Act. This was in contrast to comments made in the 2004 election where he said that the Act accentuates divisions in Canada. He attributed his newfound support to understanding the constitutionality of the Act.
The Clarity Act, which was actually the brainchild of Preston Manning and Stephen Harper, was passed in 1999 and was probably Chrétien’s only legislative achievement. Jack Layton, City Councillor mentality that he has, finally understood it in 2005.
In the interests of equal opportunity, that other national lightweight, Joe Clark also opposed the Clarity Act. Maybe he still doesn’t understand it?
Jack and Joe and the Dippers could never be trusted to govern in a dangerous world where democracy is fragile because of necessary impediments to freedom (security certificates) for security reason.
You got the Ben Franklin quote wrong, He said “essential” liberty vs the “illusion of security” I’ve seen that quote misused before. I’ll try to find the whole quote and put it up but I have seen it corrected many times. War has been declared on us for some time now, some groups in our society will never accept this reality.
“Mark”:
I understand what you are trying to say but your terminology is confused. There are only two groups of people legally allowed to live in Canada: citizens, and non-citizens with the appropriate immigration status for residency.
The term “subject,” which has more or less fallen out of use, refers to all Canadian citizens; we are all subjects of HM The Queen.
As for treason, citizens of Canada are subject to the laws of Canada.
A non-citizen obviously cannot be held for treason. But they can be held on criminal charges and, if so decided, their residency can be cancelled forthwith followed by deportation.
Perfect world? Of course not. But, to give your own argument a half-twist, Surecure, if only 27 certificates have been issued, then it shouldn’t be that difficult to replace them with something a little more, ah, Canadian. You know: like being able to face your accusers. Cross-examine witnesses. See the evidence against you. Hva e fair trial. That sort of thing.
Funny how such a demand incurs the wrath of the oh-so-democratic lovers of freedom on the Right.
Due process? You can’t handle due process!, with apologies to Jack Nicholson.
I was wondering if anyone caught this statement posted on Canoe News yesterday:
“The idea that people would be planning a bombing in our country is simply shocking. And I’m simply thrilled that it looks at though there was a successful co-ordinated effort by all of our security personnel to put a stop to it before it could happen.” – Federal NDP Leader Jack Layton.
@sshat! Never occured to him, in his back yard? Wake up Jack!
Mark Collins, I agree that the charge of treason should be more front and centre in these circumstances.
Here’s some stuff on the Ben Franklin quote, which is “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
http://www.futureofthebook.com/stories/storyReader$605
Intersting read, and here i was giving credit to the Arabs for making the numbers we now use 1-2-3…
A letter written to Ms. Fiorina, ex-head of HP.
http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm
More reading:
http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm
And Smiling Jack want’s us to ignore a real and present threat? What is the colour in his sky?
The issue isn’t the particulars of this or that clause of this or that legislation, be it security certificates or anything else.
The issue is do you recognize the threat that Islam poses to our civilization and are you on our side or not ?
Do you stand with the Canadian people against muslim terrorists or do you spend all your energy trying to rational and defend muslims.
Do you support or oppose EVERY measure that the government takes to protect us.
Do you spend your energy on the side of our culture or do you spend all your energy running around complaining about ‘racial profiling’
As for the dic heads whining about civil liberties, I have news for you, Islam has already taken your civil liberties, no newspaper in the west will again dare to print Muhammed cartoons. With one fell swoop of riots and inspired terror muslims have already taken more civil liberties from us then Hitler-Bush-Harper can ever dream of.
The only good thing out of all this is that the jihad will completely destroy all the pet liberal causes of the left like gay rights and equality for woman. Wait until Sharia law really gets going here then you’ll get what you deserve and you liberals will have brought it on yourselves by your stand now.
If anything awful happens in Canada in the next few years, you can bet that fat bitch Khadr and the pack of wolves in the court supporting their fellow jihadis will most likely be involved.
What the hell has happened to our country, that we allow these jackals in and even while they threaten us, give them succour?
Something HAS to change….as in, NO ONE with extremist religious beliefs, especially Wahhabi Muslims, should be allowed into this country anymore. Period.
The only good thing out of all this is that the jihad will completely destroy all the pet liberal causes of the left like gay rights and equality for woman.
So, then, the logical conclusion to draw is that conservatives should be supporting the jihadists, to further all their pet causes. I think I understand.
dawg you and all the muslims in this country belong in the same place, AT THE END OF A ROPE!!!
Oh, that’s good Dawg. Canadian? They are Canadian! Are you suggesting Canadian security certificates aren’t Canadian? Where exactly do you think their origin is then? (I have a feeling my psychic relay isn’t even going to be needed for this answer)
As for your paranoia over security certificates, considering their complete dearth of use and the fact that all security certificates require judicial review… well… I’m still not shaking in my boots.
I mean, if Security Certificates were used against our citizens (which they are not) then only 0.0000045 % of our population would be effected every year. Ooohh… scary stuff here. Never mind the fact that you’d be 37 times more likely to be hit by lightning than be the subject of a security certificate.
Dawg:
More “Canadian” eh?
Yeah, sure, we should be giving stuff like that to folks like this. The people involved in this are usually not Canadian, not citizens, and/or not committed in any way to the ideals of Canadian and Western society. And don’t proceed to give me all that horseshit about civil rights regardless of nationality here: we’re talking about trying to get/keep out foreign baddies who want to kill our children, our grandmas, our dogs, our cats, our entire way of life.
Ostriches, the lot of you!
I mean, if Security Certificates were used against our citizens (which they are not) then only 0.0000045 % of our population would be effected every year. Ooohh… scary stuff here. Never mind the fact that you’d be 37 times more likely to be hit by lightning than be the subject of a security certificate.
Your point is getting more obscure by the second. If these certificates are so all-fired unimportant, then why get your knickers in a twist when Layton wants to get rid of them?
dawg you and all the muslims in this country belong in the same place, AT THE END OF A ROPE!!!
And there you have what others hear are too self-controlled to say out loud.
Conservatives.
Supporting lynching.
In Canada.
I’m not making this up.
“Others here.”
And yeah, that means you.
Dawg,
To paraphrase your paraphrasing of Jack:
Facts? You can’t handle the facts!
There is due process in the security certificates.
First and foremost that every certificate must be approved by a judge. In other words, the government must take its case to a judge and convince that judge that the target of the certificate is a threat.
There have been several cases where the judge has rejected the government’s assertions. There have also been a case or two so far where the Judge has agreed with the threat and let the creep out of jail anyway (the logic of which escapes me…)
You need to learn that due process is more than a trial in open court. The reason for the secrecy in many of these cases is that we rely on spies and intelligence to catch the bad guys. If we had to testify in open court and reveal our sources, methods and Intel, we’d cripple our ability to catch the bad guys and end up with no way to defend ourselves.
We’re not talking assassinations here. There are safeguards in place. There is due process. Frankly, you’re out to lunch on the subject.
And save the “we need to be more Canadian” crap. It’s tiresome. Every country has to defend itself. Canada is not an anomaly. We have the same set of interests as everyone else. We aren’t boy scouts or living fairy tales. Grow up.
My point is clear as day. Security Certificates are so rarely used that they offer no real threat to our freedoms.
“If these certificates are so all-fired unimportant, then why get your knickers in a twist when Layton wants to get rid of them?”
Who said anything about them being unimportant? I was pointing out their frequency, not their importance.
I guess math isn’t your strong point.
I’m still curious where you think the origin of Canadian Security Certficates is, if not Canada.
I see the brown shirts are out in full force here so I’ll just leave a little reminder, that if we didn’t have troops in their homeland we might not have their guys here, planning their attacks?
I know I don’t thin like you so I’m the enemy. lol
SonsofMonkeysandSwine:
Actually, you are wrong about “people involved in this are usually not Canadian, not citizens”. Dangerously wrong in fact.
In the London terror bombings and in this plot, we are witnessing a different kind of terrorism than what led to 9/11. The 9/11 terrorists were all foreign nationals living in the US for years and trained abroad. This is truly a “homegrown” version. Like the London bombers, it seems that all/most of these young/younger men are children or grandchildren of immigrants, but were born and grew up here. The anti-immigrant crowd can coo all it wants about stopping the flow of Muslim immigrants, but from all reports this isn’t going to stop the few radical young Muslims who are getting brainwashed by the fundamentalist Muslim citizens.
And before anyone starts blaming multiculturalism, that too would be a dangerous mistake. Britain, Holland, France, Canada and the US all have taken very different approaches to integretating/assimilating immigrants into their cultures. Britain isolated them and 52 died in bombings last summer. Holland has tried to let them be who they are and there have been assisinations. France has tried to force assimilation and there were weeks of riots. Canada has had a multiculturalism policy and we have some who have plotted to bomb our institutions.
A focus on immigration isn’t going to solve the problem. To me, these terrorists are like the Ernst Zundels, Oklahoma bombers and the militant militias that were a growing internal terrorist threat in the 1990s. It is part of a culture war against liberal democracy.
In the 1990s, we beefed up our policy police enforcement, investigations and spying on those radical hate groups. We were relentless in identifying the specific leaders and enforcing our existing laws. We enforced our gun and hate laws. Today because of that, we just avoided our own Oklahoma.
Ted
Cerberus
“I see the brown shirts are out in full force here so I’ll just leave a little reminder, that if we didn’t have troops in their homeland we might not have their guys here, planning their attacks?”
Well neutralsam, if Al Qaeda hadn’t killed some of our citizens on September 11th and inflicted incredible harm on our security and economy, maybe we wouldn’t be over there… ya think?
Like I say…
Leftists often fail to think things through… they fail to consider consequences.
Cases in point: the miserable failures of communism and liberalism.
Neutralsam said:
“I see the brown shirts are out in full force here so I’ll just leave a little reminder, that if we didn’t have troops in their homeland we might not have their guys here, planning their attacks?”
You should probably do a little more research before posting. The RCMP has been watching these people for the last 2 years. Well before we had a significant presence in Afghanistan. Also Osama listed us as a target well before then as well. You are naive if you believe that by pulling out of Afghanistan we will eliminate these types of terrorist attacks. Also if your researched you might also find that we are not in their “homeland”. How many of the arrested were form Afghanistan or do you just group all of the Muslims together in one big group.
Kate,I love the photo!
A perfect caption for Jack in this pose as he seemingly reaches a brief moment of clarity:
Oh my God!…I can’t believe I just said that!!!
I have long believed Jack is the most dangerous politician we have in Canada.As the official leader of the loopiest lefties,he can say WHATEVER to get his flock excited,but fully realizes he will NEVER be in the position to have to practise what he preached.
This must be a wakeup call for all Canadians that terrorism is being bred and trained militarily on Canadian soil. Shall we blithely defend our democratic rights, while the terrorists exploit it with their activities and plotting??
Layton and the muslim leaders are trying to tie us up in our own feelings of guilt so that terrorists can be free to prepare for their holy jihad … death to the infidels … plain and simple.
How should we react to the terrorists … offer them our love, treasure and tolerance as they flaunt our democracy ???
Tell us what you think now, Jack Layton ???
Hopefully voters in clueless Toronto will take notice. I have little faith though.
Ted, are we all on the same page as to what multiculturalism means? I doubt it.
I’m all for immigration and diversity, particularly diversity of thought. But multiculturalism is a very regressive concept because it represents the academic chanting of cultural relativism. It’s a continuation of socialism, which espouses that everyone is equal – they aren’t. People deserve an equal chance but outcomes simply aren’t equal. Neither are cultures equal. Some cultures, based on tribalism, should be allowed to just die out. But they won’t because despots, rich with oil, keep them alive for their own despotic ends.
Multiculturalism needs to be debated in Parliament ASAP. Where we need to end up is with a new pledge of allegiance by Canadians, by children in schools etc. That pledge needs to include statements such as:
Tolerance for all religions
The equality of men and women
The separation of church/mosque and state
If anyone has trouble with these values, they aren’t Canadians. Cultural relativism doesn’t work because some cultures have not evolved for centuries. Many immigrants know that and that’s why they left their hellhole in the third world. They are amazed we Canadians won’t stand up for the values that made us a great country.
BTW, France has not “forced assimilation”. The native French aren’t interested in assimilation; the native Frenchman views himself as a superior species. That’s the problem.
I don’t want to downplay the seriousness of what just transpired but the ‘revelation’ of terrorists being bred and trained militarily on Canadian soil isn’t new.
Up at Caroline, AB we got the neo-nazi’s white arian nations camp and to the south is Montana with their armed camps.
Guess difference is we can somewhat rationalize and dialogue with the guys who dress up as wanna be Nazi’s.
With the spin in the media re a Sting, my bet is that all those arrested will eventually get a slap on the wrist (maybe) and let out to plan again. Next time they will probably be successful. Think how many people actually voted for the ndp, and how many provincial governments and city council are ndp. Scarry. Will any of this change the minds of toronto voters, I doubt it, even when many of the targets were in their center of the universe. There has to be a good side to this story-at least these kids learned to read and type in the ont. school system. Al Gore is all over giving canada a bad time re Kyoto and global warming. Isn’t that interferring in canadaian affairs. If Bush did it there would be outrage. Also, Al claimed to have invented the internet, and this plot used the internet, should we blame Gore for this plot. Still waiting for Parrish to stamp on an OBL doll. Question period and Newman should be interesting today. Again, where is the money coming from to pay the lawyers.
Dawg is a well known Anti-Israel bigot and NDP windbag. His loonie left ideology coupled with his hardline support of the “Palestinian” cause has so twisted his mind that he is beyond hope of recovery.
so neutralsam if we didn’t have troops in their countries they wouldn’t have done 911?
What bull.
We didn’t start the fires W would have been more than happy to let the taliban rock on unharmed had they not touched americans but every time they blew an embassy they became bolder till thousands died in on sept 11 and they didn’t actually launch that because bush was in Iraq.
Are you date challenged? Libs took them in out of idiocy and still even with affirmative action jobs they want to kill.
What kind of a country do you want my children to live in?
Hang the guilty and send the others home to free them from canadian opression.
neutralsam said: “I know I don’t thin like you so I’m the enemy. lol”
“thin”? The word is fatuous, dhimmy. …
The Impeccable Timing of the Loony Left
At Small Dead Animals, video of Canada’s leftist NDP leader Jack Layton pandering to radical Islamic front group The Islamic Society of North America on May 20, calling for Canada to throw out its anti-terror legislation: Timing Is Everything.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
And this is why he is not in office. Unfortunately his constituents have a herd mentality. I watched his speeches during the elections campains, and his were the most emotionalist and least issue-based out of all the candidates… something that appears to herds.
Him pandering to the Islamic vote to get elected reminds me of that smelly sasquatch George Galloway
Breath-taking stupidity. Where is Jack these days? Would he, as an opposition leader, have been privy to knowledge of this investigation, when he made this speech? Or was he kept in the dark because he’s so stupid?
I won’t feed the troll except to say, good one Paul and Surecure.
Ted: The UK did not “isolate” immigrant communities. Some chose to isolate themselves (many Muslims), others did not (many Caribbeans). In fact the UK has had a multiculteral approach–similar to Canada’s but not so doctrinaire–for some time. It’s now, esp. after the London bombings, that they are really questioning that policy. See:
“Goodbye to multiculturalism, but welcome to what?”
http://www.ippr.org.uk/articles/?id=1835
Mark
Ottawa
Ted,
RE:”In the 1990s, we beefed up our policy police enforcement, investigations and spying on those radical hate groups. We were relentless in identifying the specific leaders and enforcing our existing laws.”
Are you suggesting that the potential threats posed by Zundel-type groups was equivalent to what western countries now face, in scope and harm?
Also, your case for pointing out the failures of other nations’ policies at assimilation reinforces the position that should be undertaken by all western democracies: The complete withdrawal of all interests (other than mutual economic transactions) from countries demonstrably hostile to us. In other words a Sharon style disengagement from the M.E. This would also include a thorough review of our immigration policies with respect to those countries.
The time has come for those societies to examine themselves without the benefit of our altruistic yet masochistic benevolence.
Just read an article by Marck Steyn, “It’s the Demography Stupid: The real reason the West is in danger of extinction”, which appeared in Wall Street Journal Wednesday, January 4, 2006. Given the comments today on Jack’s latest BS, Steyn’s thoughts on “Islamic” terrorism excerpted from the above article is seems appropriately quoted below:
“We know it’s not really a “war on terror.” Nor is it, at heart, a war against Islam, or even “radical Islam.” The Muslim faith, whatever its merits for the believers, is a problematic business for the rest of us. There are many trouble spots around the world, but as a general rule, it’s easy to make an educated guess at one of the participants: Muslims vs. Jews in “Palestine,” Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, Muslims vs. Christians in Africa, Muslims vs. Buddhists in Thailand, Muslims vs. Russians in the Caucasus, Muslims vs. backpacking tourists in Bali. Like the environmentalists, these guys think globally but act locally.
Yet while Islamism is the enemy, it’s not what this thing’s about. Radical Islam is an opportunistic infection, like AIDS: It’s not the HIV that kills you, it’s the pneumonia you get when your body’s too weak to fight it off. When the jihadists engage with the U.S. military, they lose–as they did in Afghanistan and Iraq. If this were like World War I with those fellows in one trench and us in ours facing them over some boggy piece of terrain, it would be over very quickly. Which the smarter Islamists have figured out. They know they can never win on the battlefield, but they figure there’s an excellent chance they can drag things out until Western civilization collapses in on itself and Islam inherits by default.
That’s what the war’s about: our lack of civilizational confidence. As a famous Arnold Toynbee quote puts it: “Civilizations die from suicide, not murder”–as can be seen throughout much of “the Western world” right now. The progressive agenda–lavish social welfare, abortion, secularism, multiculturalism–is collectively the real suicide bomb. Take multiculturalism. The great thing about multiculturalism is that it doesn’t involve knowing anything about other cultures–the capital of Bhutan, the principal exports of Malawi, who cares? All it requires is feeling good about other cultures. It’s fundamentally a fraud, and I would argue was subliminally accepted on that basis. Most adherents to the idea that all cultures are equal don’t want to live in anything but an advanced Western society. Multiculturalism means your kid has to learn some wretched native dirge for the school holiday concert instead of getting to sing “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” or that your holistic masseuse uses techniques developed from Native American spirituality, but not that you or anyone you care about should have to live in an African or Native American society. It’s a quintessential piece of progressive humbug …”
Jack Layton is a disgrace to Canada and Parliament. He should get in his box and close the lid instead of popping up with stupid ideation. His logic is bizarre and SCARY and I can’t understand for the life of me why people vote for him. Hopefully as he continues with his crazy ideas the people will notice this and put him out to pasture. (Can’t expect much from NDPEERS led by Jack). Very Angry at him and his caucus.
Briefly, Surecure, because I certainly don’t want to interrupt the extreme-right circle-jerk going on in this thread, I understand your point that, because so few people are having their civil liberties suspended, we shouldn’t give a damn, and should call people names who do.
But my point was badly misunderstood by you. Of course security certificates are “canadian,” in the sense that they originated here. But they fly in the face of Canadian values and principles–you know, like natural justice, that sort of thing.
Nomdenet:
France has indeed taken the strongest position at requiring assimilation of Muslims in order to be full participating citizens. No headresses of any kind in their schools is just the most well-known example.
The point is, you can focus on multiculturalism if you want. But with or without it, we would still have radical Muslims planning to kill Canadians. So to focus on multiculturalism as a means to improve our security and stop terrorism is a potentially dangerous distraction.
States without any kind of multiculturalism policy are facing the same problems as Canada.
Ted
Cerberus
Dawg,
I think you ignored my point so you wouldn’t have to admit that the certificates DO involve due process.
Natural Justice is a universal concept not related to Canadian Nationalism.
I really hate it when you far-left wankers go off about “Canadian Values.”
How about this then:
Susan Sarandon is an American
Michael Moore is an American
Kerry, Pelosi, Sean Penn. All Americans.
To the left, what is American is un-Canadian.
So if you sound like all the US lefties, are you then un-Canadian because you spew out “American-Style” lefty stupidity?
“Canadian Values” are not left-wing jerkoff values.
Canadian values are the sort of thing that led large number of our grandfathers to enlist in the military to go overseas to fight the Nazis. That’s Canadian Values.
Marx was not Canadian. Neither was Mao or Che.
Maybe there are some serious concerns about “security certificates”. I would be wary of anything the criminal Libs have done. But why did he choose the Islamic Society of North America to announce these concerns? All at once any concern that he may be right has been destroyed. The problem with this damned self-serving political sh-t is that he may have successfully scuttled any serious examination of the issue of ours rights as they exist under this legislation that none of us seems to understand fully. BTW, remember Layton and Chow’s living arrangements in the 80’s and that they were caught out? I’m sure he’s changed.
Interesting that Jack Layton, while pandering for Muslim votes for the NDP, advocated repealing the very law that empowered Canadian intelligence and law enforcement to catch this gang of Islamofascist terrorists.
In which case, Canadian intelligence and law enforcement lacking the necessary investigatory tools and authority, the terrorists’ planned atrocities would have taken place, killing God knows how many people.
OK, for the benefit of our lefty trolls, maybe they’re not terrorists-excuse me, “militants”…no, “activists”.
And, yes, by no means are all Muslims terrorists. But it IS a fact that across the globe, almost all terrorists ARE radical Muslims.
All around the borders of Dar Islam (the world of Islam), there is conflict and bloodshed. Besides Islamists vs. the United States, there’s:
Islamists vs. Secular Europeans;
Islamists vs. Algerian authorities and non-fundamentalist Algerians;
Islamists vs. Israel and Jews;
Islamists vs. Afghans trying to build a free Afghanistan;
Islamists vs. Iraqis trying to build a free, democratic Iraq;
Islamists in Chechnya vs. Russia and the Russian people;
Pakistan vs. India in Kashmir;
Islamists vs. non-Muslims in Malaysia;
Islamists vs. the non-Muslim minorities in Indonesia;
Islamists vs. the non-Muslim majority and government in the Philippines.
Where have I left out? Practically everywhere in the world where Muslims interface with non-Muslims, there’s at best severe tensions and at worst outright terrorism campaigns. Now Canada knows it’s on that list as well. And yet we’re told that Islam is “a religion of peace”?
“The anti-immigrant crowd can coo all it wants about stopping the flow of Muslim immigrants, but from all reports this isn’t going to stop the few radical young Muslims who are getting brainwashed by the fundamentalist Muslim citizens.”
Well, then, why, in God’s name bring anymore Muslims into Canada or any Western country for that matter? So what if they are recent immigrants or homegrown. The only difference is that the problem is already there or yet to come. The common denominator is Islam. It doesn’t matter if they are 3 generations in Detroit, London or the ME, their religion spawns the terror.
Your defense of the multi-culti garbage flies in the face that “Islam has bloody borders” as Bernard Lewis has written. Take look around you, Ted, from Canada, to the US, to France, to Holland, to Spain, to Australia, and to Russia and ask yourself what western native populations are feeling happy and secure with the Muslims in their midst? If we have to review all of the incidents that would make native non-Muslims feel threatened at this time in history than you are an idiot.
“A focus on immigration isn’t going to solve the problem.”
You’ve got to be kidding.
Why should any country destroy it’s security and harmony by seeking immigrants that have at core an incompatible worldview, whose religion is intolerant and insists on non-assimilation, that denigrates females and has jihad as a principle?
What’s the liberal answer to that?
Holland is getting real about immigrants now. They have to take a course/training, including watching gay guys & lesbos suck face, they have to sign documents saying they will learn dutch, will integrate etc, etc.
Mu Dutch friends tell me that there are immigrants now walking away from the process, quite pissed that they aren’t allowed on the Dutch gravy train because they are fueled by hatred of thatwhich Holland holds precious.
Interesting, all these invectives levelled against the NDP and Liberals. Reads remarkably like an Ann Coulter screed against democracy – and its “liberal” supporters (those demons who want such vile things as free speech and human rights).
Seems anyone who supports gay rights or women’s rights gets lumped into the same basket as Islamic fundamentalists. Now there’s a wild connection – they’re diametrically opposed, but why let logic stop you?
And why the name calling? Can’t we have a debate without puerile terms like “fat bitch”? That only discredits the writer, not the target. Adults don’t need to descend to such terms to make a point.