NDP Leader and would-be Prime Minister Jack Layton, speaking before the Islamic Society of North America, May 20, 2006;
“We also have to put an end to the security certificates – the security certificates and that whole piece of legislation, bill C-36, must be thrown out!”
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Luc Portelance, Assistant Director of Operations, CSIS on June 3, 2006;
“This is the largest counter-terrorism operation and arrests in Canada since the creation of the Anti-Terrorism Act [C-36] and the amendment of the Criminal Code to better define terrorism.”
Way to go Jaaak wrap a tea towel around your head and be one with the islamofacists. You would no doubt run all the way to the fantasy land of palestien to be one with Araafat if his stinking carcass was still above ground
Jackass Jack will cure whatever ails you…he the man.
In 1938/39 people like Jack and his beanstock friends led demonstrations against Canada fighting hitler. They screamed that it wasn’t “our” war and we should stay out of it.
Not much has changed in all those years except the ability of individuals to wage terror. Now an idividual can kill hundreds with very little effort. They used to say one had to have God on thier side, now they only need the CBC. sorry, another change is that I am a lot older!
J.S. Woodsworth isn’t really dead, he’s come back as Flap Jack Layton. The real question is, does Jack ever listen to what he says? Cause it’s really, really dumb.
Wayda go Jackie…..
With a person like you in power……….why would this country need enemies.
Why don’t you just wrap a towel around your head and allah akkabar (or whatever)
Hell……………..have a blast and do this country a favor and just detonate yourself. Then you could go and maybe get yourself 72 homo virgins.
The NDP and Liberals aren’t even a bad joke anymore. They are what you get when you close down mental hospitals and quit giving lobotomies and electro shock therapy.
Yet another reason why Jack Layton will never become Prime Minister.
Hey Jack, what does the Koran say about gay marriage?
How about women’s rights, what does it say about that? Should they be allowed to drive a car or get an education?
What a dope! Namby-pamby Jack.
LOL ~ oooooops! Surely this man is unelectable, even in Canada.
The man does not speak for me at any time ever.A vote for him only proves that the masses are asses.
The man does not speak for me at any time ever.A vote for him only proves that the masses are asses.
Jack-ass!
Serious question: what will it take for Canadians, as a society, to understand this threat against our way of life? I do wonder what on earth will pry the international left from their position of defense of “Islamic” freedoms, and toward a defense of real liberal traditional western values?
Bill C-36
http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-36/C-36_3/C-36TOCE.html
Judging from the comments I’ve read thus far, I’m guessing no one has even read any section of the act in question.
(An act brought into force by the hated ‘Libranos’ in 2001, I might add.)
Maybe I shouldn’t jump the gun, but I haven’t seen a single comment thus far offering a substantive, informed opinion on the security certificates Layton was denouncing in his speech.
What I have noticed are ignorant comments about ‘towels around heads,’ ‘allah akkabar’ and ‘homo virgins’–all presumably written by people in full support of bill C-36’s Hate Crimes provisions, no?
Take a look:
[C-36’s measures include] amendments to the Criminal Code that allow the courts to order the deletion of publicly available hate propaganda from computer systems such as an Internet site. Individuals who post the material will be given the opportunity to convince the court that the material is not hate propaganda. The provision applies to hate propaganda that is located on Canadian computer systems, regardless of where the owner of the material is located or whether he or she can be identified.I wonder how comfortable the ignorant bigots are feeling with their homophobic ‘towel-head’ comments now.
Don’t like Layton’s position on security certificates? Fine.
Why not come up with an informed critique of his position, then, rather than throwing ignorant nonsense about?
I agree Stephan.
Crap like that does nothing but throw gas on the fire.
Doesnt change the fact that Layton is a knob.
Can we all agree that McGuinty’s experiment with ‘sharia courts’ is deader than a doornail now and forever?
No lie is too stupid for Kate to repeat.
From the NDP campaign platform.
Scrap the draconian Anti-Terrorism Act, written by Liberals and opposed by the NDP, which has already impeded media freedom in Canada. We will replace it with legislation that respects civil liberties, ethnic communities and freedom of the press.
Pretty hard sell now, not?
But will that sink in to Dulton?
Doesnt change the fact that Layton is a knob.
Fine.
Got evidence that would convince serious people?
Provide it.
New Dhimmicratic Party of Canada.
Good post, Stephen! You certainly know how to keep the wingnut wordcount down!
I have my own question for you racist wingnuts: how do you know that Security Certificates have been effective on behalf of Canadian national security? Can you cite one example where this extraordinary attack on your civil liberties has helped in any way? And what other crimes or governments have been protected by Security Certificates?
… really, you don’t know what they are, do you? Great.
An informed electorate is the best insurance against tyranny — and Stephen Harper’s worst nightmare!
How about Jack’s idea to borrow against the Canada Pension Plan account to fund retrofitting all homes with new doors and windows?…proof that Layton is a doorknob!
How about Jack diving head first into Kyoto effectively crushing Alberta’s economy.
PART OF CBCPRAVDAS STORY.
Other U.S. officials see the possibility of al-Qaeda cells in Canada.—-???
“Americans should be very concerned,” said New York Rep. Peter King, chairman of the U.S. Homeland Security Committee. “Canada is our northern neighbour and there is a large al-Qaeda presence in Canada.—–THANKS LIBS
“I think there is a disproportionate number of al-Qaeda in Canada because of their very liberal immigration laws, because of how political asylum is granted so easily.”——THINK KHADRE FAMILY.
Other U.S. officials want to beef up security on the Canada-U.S. border, and want to introduce high-tech passports.
AND THEN CBCPRAVDAS LITANY OF ODD HEADLINES.
Mosque vandalized after bomb-plot sweep
Canada gathers praise, criticism after arrests
Islam not violent, Toronto Muslims say
Theories surface about what led to Ontario arrests
Canada Features
INDEPTH
Anti-terror Sweep
The suspects & reaction to foiling a terror plot Indepth
CBC Forum
A live chat with CBC’s senior correspondent Don Murray —
MR.HARPER –PULL THE PLUG ON CBC.
How about the fact that the RCMP and CSIS have arrested over a dozen terror suspects with a massive explosive potential, yet Layton wants to do something like getting rid of security certificates.
The NDP will never gain power. And I thnak the stars for that.
He da man – Islama-Jack!
Spare me the ad homimem about Jack! Pissing all over him personally isn’t what the forum is about. There isn’t anything wrong with dissent, even if it is stupid and ill timed. The NDP actually represent a rump of Canadians long known for their being pacifist and social democrats. The time for them passed many years ago when their hair splitting, identity politics morphed into velevet unionism, cooperative irrelevancy and politcal isolation. Jack was made for the modern NDP. He lacks guile, cunning and sadly political acumen. He is entertaining, opinionated and constantly campaigning in a resolutely vacuous manner. Contrasted against the current government, well, it just isn’t fair to compare a mature, cunning Leader with an also ran. There is a fine line to walk in a democratic soceity between respect for the minority opinion and governing for the good of the country. Almost all of Liberal legislation needs a thorough review as nearly every Bill they’ve ever introduced is suspect. But this will take years to correct. The security certificates are problematic for sure. In the hands of a reactionary, they are trouble. There is a good chance that we are on the brink of making transparent a judicial system that will victimize the “scary 17.” I fear we can lock em up but not get the results we need. The last thing Canada needs is to be seen on the world stage as a “soft of terrorism.” After 7/7, Britain acted quickly and swiftly. Will Canada?
Layton, NDP, CUPE: Support and are allied with Islamist terrorists both in Canada and around the world.
Jack Layton is a traitor to Canada.
Down with Jack Layton, the NDP, CUPE.
Down with Islamist terrorism.
NDP Supports Islamist Terrorism …
This past weekend (Jan 29-30 2005), the federal council of the New Democratic Party of Canada unanimously passed a resolution sponsored by Alexa McDonough and the NDP International Affairs Committee regarding Canada’s use of security certificate to hold non-citizens indefinitely without the laying of charges.
Excerpt:
NDP Resolution – Security Certificates
WHEREAS Security Certificates have been described by Amnesty International as “fundamentally flawed and unfair”; and
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the NDP calls on the federal government to:
1. Either lay charges and allow the accused to undergo a fair and transparent judicial trial or immediately release all individuals being held under Security Certificates;
2. Refuse to deport any detainees to a country where there is a substantial risk of torture and possibly death, in compliance with the UN Convention against torture;
3. Immediately halt the use of Security Certificates and re-write the security provisions of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act to make them consistent with our Constitution and Charter, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the UN Convention against Torture;
4. Provide leadership in ending the attacks on civil liberties and racial profiling and targeting of Arab and Muslim individuals and communities and other ethnic and religious minorities occurring within federal jurisdiction, in partnership with other levels of government and civil society.; and
5. Develop a plan of action and provide adequate resources to defeat racial profiling and religious bigotry. …
http://www.zerra.net/freemohamed/endorsement_NDP.php
There is an obvious parallel between the idea of the security certificates and the gun registry. Can you see these guys saying “c’mon, chaps, put down the ammonium nitrate – let’s run out and get our Security Certificates©. After that, we’ll stop for ice cream, and then zip back here.”
alright, jrb – you da man!
“Any society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
–Benjamin Franklin
“Stephen” has a point on this one.
C-36 sounds good when applied to foreign terrorists, but it could just as easily be used on anyone. (gun owners come to mind. All it would take is to label unregistered gun-owners potential terrorists). Governments change, and in the ebb and flow many become corrupt, as we have so recently seen. Let’s not give them too much power. C-36 has tremendous potential for abuse.
As far as Jack Layton goes, it it best to just laugh and shake your head when you see him.
He is the ideal leader for the NDP! A shallow, flakey, pseudo-intellectual represents the most accurate picture of NDP supporters I’ve seen in a long time.
I wrote this e-mail and sent it before logging on today. Given your headline, timing is everything thought this e-mail might be of interest.
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From: Anne and Dave Marsden [mailto:amarsden2@cogeco.ca]
Sent: June 5, 2006 9:10 AM
To: ‘letters@thespec.com’
Cc: ‘lthompson@thespec.com’; ‘dborcea@thespec.com’; lougheed@burlington. ca (lougheed@burlington.ca); ‘burgessr@burgesslawoffice.com’; ‘judymorrisoncampaign@cogeco.ca’; ‘petert@chapterhouse.ca’; ‘news@chtv.ca’; ‘dsmith@haltonsearch.com’; ‘Susan Gamble’; joe. stevens@sympatico. ca (joe.stevens@sympatico.ca)
Subject: LAWYER SEEKS A LINK TO TOP COURT HEARING (“TERRORIST” ARRESTS)
Importance: High
Page A10 of the Hamilton Spectator today has an important comment from Lawyer Rocco Galati that could easily be missed. It relates to the timing of the `terrorist`arrests as they relate to the hearings on the constitutionality of security certificates. The pictures and write up take me back to the time Halton family courts – Burlington and Milton – were subjected to a similar scenario in terms of police carrying assault weapons etc. inside family court. The hearing was a child protection matter involving a Muslim teen where the father flew a Palestinian flag at his Milton residence.
The Globe and Mail carried the story on its national page. Paul Legall of the Spectator also covered the story. The Burlington Journal, however, was the only paper to cover the story on its front page and provide the perspective of a Burlington family advocate (myself) who was assisting the Muslim teen ensure her best interests were the no. 1 priority as our legislation states they should be. It took a while for me to go through the correct channels and do what the family lawyer had been unable to do, obtain the Halton CAS files for the family. After examination of the files it was very clear the highly armed swat team presence was totally unnecessary and the comment from a local lawyer that the highly armed police presence was nothing more than an attempt to influence the court in its decision making immediately gained credibility. After my involvement and exposure of the facts to the court and the media the swat team disappeared and the girl was released back to her family with no explanation or compensation for the irreversible damage to the teen and family`s emotional health and Halton`s police budget.
The teen`s claim which she asked me to put before the court, in the presence of Paul Legall, that she was sexually assaulted by the Halton CAS social worker, the impact of the shock of finding an assault team in family court on the father who had a heart condition that was known to police and Halton CAS and the evidence that there was a perjured affidavit that manipulated a figure of speech to allow for a gross mis-use of police resources have still not been dealt with. Perhaps with a new police chief for Halton who came on board after exposing an obstruction of justice within the senior ranks of Halton police, Halton taxpayers might now be able to get answers to questions associated with a gross mis-use of police resources that have perplexed the Halton community for more than a decade..
I look forward to the media and the Halton Muslim community supporting my efforts for accountability in this matter in order to ensure police and child protection resources are never mis-used in this manner in Halton again.
Anne Marsden (Mrs.)
Candidate Ward 2 – Burlington City and Regional Councillor
Audit Manager
The Auditors
The Canadian Family Watchdog
#308 – 1425 Ghent Avenue
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c.c. Halton Mosque – hand delivered
Like all things done by government, security certificates can be used for good or bad purposes. Depending on your point of view. However, the Liberals thought they were important and until somebody can prove they are being abused they are the law. So those that would blame Stephen Harper for all of society’s woes need to take a reality pill.
Layton has always appeared to me to be a used car salesman type. He’ll say or do anything to get his point across no matter how outrageous that point of view is. Watched Alexa on CTV Sat. I defy anyone to understand what the position of the NDP is on Afghanistan. We should be there but our soldiers shouldn’t be fighting. We need to have diplomacy. With who I ask? It goes on and on. Pure foolishness from a party that will not admit they are pacifists and they do not believe in the military or war regardless of the cause. For the NDP to say we should be in Darfur is outrageous. As soon as our soldiers started to get killed there, they would be calling for them to come home. The NDP should admit where they stand and stop dancing on the head of a pin. They eventually will get pricked.
Maybe I’m missing something, but what pray tell would security certificates have done to stop these terrorists?
And which government brought in the Anti-Terrorism Act?
Ted
Cerberus
Can we all agree that McGuinty’s experiment with ‘sharia courts’ is deader than a doornail now and forever?
Huh? He just finished getting rid of all religious tribunals under the current Arbitration Act. Where the hell have you been?
As for the usual namecallers here, whose IQs totalled up wouldn’t come close to Jack Layton’s, what do security certificates, in which people don’t even have a right to face their accusers in open court in an honest trial have to do with the current mess? Give your heads a collective shake–and try not to rattle.
So FlapJack layton wants racial profiling made a criminal offence, eh?
How about making the hiding of faces behind bandanas and hijabs in public places a criminal offence FlapJack?
Dawg said:”As for the usual namecallers here, whose IQs totalled up wouldn’t come close to Jack Layton’s, what do security certificates, in which people don’t even have a right to face their accusers in open court in an honest trial have to do with the current mess? Give your heads a collective shake–and try not to rattle.”
Islamist Jihad will give your head a shake, Dawg. Your head, Dawg, will no longer “rattle”. …
Jihad’s True Believers-Why suicide bombers cannot be deterred.
BESA Center for Strategic Studies Bar-Ilan University ^ | 6-5-06 | Laurent Murawiec
Posted on 06/05/2006 5:42:21 AM PDT by SJackson
BESA Center for Strategic Studies Bar-Ilan University Radical Islam: Challenge and Response Thursday May 25, 2006 Embargoed for publication until May 25, 2006 DETERRING THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD? Laurent Murawiec Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C.
Deterrence works because one is able credibly to threaten the center of gravity of the enemy: the threat of inflicting unacceptable losses upon him, whether in a bar brawl or in nuclear escalation. The calculus deterrence relies upon is: is it worth it? Is the Price/Earning Ratio of the contemplated action so hugely negative that it would wipe out the capital? Deterrence works if the price to be paid by the party to be deterred hugely exceeds his expected earnings. But deterrence only works if the enemy is able and willing to enter the same calculus. If the enemy plays by other rules and calculates by other means, he will not be deterred. There was nothing the Philistines could have done to deter Samson. If the calculus is: I exchange my worthless earthly life against the triumph of Allah on earth, and an eternity of bliss for me, if the enemy wishes to be dead, if to him the Apocalypse is desirable, he will not be deterred. …
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1643570/posts
Jack Layton was and is a NDP City Councillor. He’s not a bad person. But he handles problems that he can see, such as the homeless. The NDP Mayor Miller is squandering our tax dollars but at least he’s not solely in charge of our security.
Similarly, Gerard Kennedy in the Liberal leadership race made a very worthwhile contribution running the Food Bank and dealing with visible problems. From the left, the Liberals and Dippers can safely continue to play a useful role with these kinds of problems.
However, running a country, particularly since 9/11 is an enormous job. Liberals and Dippers can’t be trusted with the security of our nation. Possibly Ignatieff could be trusted with the security issues. But ironically because he understands global security he has been vilified within the Liberal party for being a Hawk on military matters. However, the Liberal party itself would split with him in charge. So they’ll probably choose the other Dipper , Bob Rae.
Steven you are so wright the clauses in question are terrible and don’t address the real problem.
Which is that all muslims need to be sent home. Then no one would worry about the ammonium nitrate.
Then we wouldn’t need some mamby pamby bill,
PS Layton is a looooser, as well as an ass.
Whatever happened to the notion that citizens (aware of the benefits and obligations of citizenship) and subjects (which in this context I would take to be permanent residents desirous of remaining in Canada) have a personal duty not to be disloyal to the sovereign/state?
If people are not willing to accept this duty then they must accept–if they act on their unwillingness–the legal consequences as citizens or deportation as subjects.
It’s called treason, stupids.
Mark
Ottawa
“…but decisions to strike them fall into the hands of the “local emirs.”
Who are the “local emirs” in Canada? In Toronto: Scarborough, Mississauga, etc.? In Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, etc.?
Do Imam Ali Hindy, Dr. Mohamad Elmasry, and more, fall into this cabal: local emirs? By their words in the past and now, the answer is an unequivocal: Yes.
Islamist Jihad is a clear and present danger to Canada and Canadian citizens.
Who has brought this to pass in Canada? The liberal left/socialists: Jack Layton, the NDP,CUPE, the fellow-travellers in the Liberal Party. The left is the enemy of Canada. The left is allied with Islamist jihad.
From London to Toronto: Dismantling terror cells, dodging their ideology
Jewish World Review ^ | 6-5-06 | Walid Phares
Posted on 06/05/2006 5:31:02 AM PDT by SJackson
Without a mass mobilization of the public and its talents, the next generations of Jihadists, already operating within democracies will be wrecking havoc in the lives of our current and future generations
Over the past nine months, speeches by Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri, other Jihadi cadres and the documents found after the arrest of Terror-architect Abu Mus’ab al Suri all put the West and democracies on notice: the second generation al Qaida is marching.
The “Jihad country-list” includes those countries whose troops are engaged in battles against the Terrorists around the world or whose police force is attempting to disrupt the cells at home. Beyond the “regular” countries-targets such as the United States, UK, Australia, Russia, India, Jordan and Israel, many others “infidel” countries made it to the top 20: Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Norway, Belgium, Germany, Portugal, Canada etc. The first type of countries, those who are engaged directly in confrontations with Jihadi networks on battlefields such as Afghanistan and Iraq, are “open targets.” This is the A list. However, countries on the B list are “enemies of the cause” but decisions to strike them fall into the hands of the “local emirs.”
This week two countries from the A and B lists witnessed ponctual counter Terrorism operations leading to the arrests of dozens suspects and the foiling, according to authorities, of potential future bombings: Great Britain and Canada. The security moves were successful but were the public statements as focused? …
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1643560/posts
Trust McClelland to reply to a post that does nothing more than present the recorded words of Jack Layton – and declare it to be my lie.
Nomdenet:
The RCMP/CSIS sting operation was facilitated by Liberal introduced legislation and they were charged under provisions of the Criminal Code introduced by the Liberals immediately after 9/11.
And these guys were caught. In a carefully planned sting operation after over 2 years of investigations.
As I said over at Cerberus on the weekend, this is not a partisan issue.
It’s shocking to me how many on the left and many on the right want to turn everything into a partisan issue, how desperate they are to attack each other instead of trying to bring Canadians together.
For me, as a Liberal who has been trying to get more people to pay more attention to security concerns, this is an excellent opportunity to further educate and bring people on board, for the sake of our collective security. Idiots who prefer to alienate and attack their fellow citizens are not only polarizing Canadians and making it more difficult to achieve a consensus on this, but in my mind acting very unpatriotically.
Ted
Cerberus
Nomdenet:
The RCMP/CSIS sting operation was facilitated by Liberal introduced legislation and they were charged under provisions of the Criminal Code introduced by the Liberals immediately after 9/11.
And these guys were caught. In a carefully planned sting operation after over 2 years of investigations.
As I said over at Cerberus (canadiancerberus.blogspot.com/2006/06/massive-terror-attack-averted-in.html) on the weekend, this is not a partisan issue.
It’s shocking to me how many on the left and many on the right want to turn everything into a partisan issue, how desperate they are to attack each other instead of trying to bring Canadians together.
For me, as a Liberal who has been trying to get more people to pay more attention to security concerns, this is an excellent opportunity to further educate and bring people on board, for the sake of our collective security. Idiots who prefer to alienate and attack their fellow citizens are not only polarizing Canadians and making it more difficult to achieve a consensus on this, but in my mind acting very unpatriotically.
Ted
Cerberus
canadiancerberus.blogspot.com
…it is scary to think people voted for him, let alone his party…
Layton is a cookoo, but so is our priminister.
He’s busy deporting people, in an attempt to make himself look good. The Immigration system is a joke, “here’s a concept (Reform).”
Why is it the head of immigration is appointed and not elected. Why is it there’s a quota system based on numbers and not on getting the bad guy. We deport people because they have a wrong school address on the application. Mean-while we have over 1500 known criminals in Toronto that will never get deported. Criminals have guns, you can get shot, also you have to find the bad guy and miss your quota.” Stop playing games.”
You’re right Ted. We’ve only heard half of Jack’s story here. The half that is missing is Jack’s suggested replacement for the process and legislation is proposes to throw out.
If he is suggesting we need no such devices, then we can debate the effects of that course of action.
If he has a suggested replacement, let’s hear it and debate it.
I would suggest that if we are going to discuss intelligence and patriotism here, we spend a bit of time considering why Jack would not do the very obvious intelligent and patriotic thing and table his alternative at the same time he calls for dismissal of important processes and legislation, rather than simply pander to a visible minority voting block for the purposes of attaining political power.