42 Replies to “SWTE: With Friends Like These”

  2. Well, I understand the Liberals have been quietly funding pro-prostitution organizations. So that’s what choice is all about. Vote NDP for marijuana, Liberals for prostitution. Conservatives for law-and-order and families. The Liberals probably won’t come right out in favour of equality rights for prostitutes; they’ll probably let the Courts do the heavy-lifting; after, all that’s what they’re there for.

  3. Aw, that’s so cute. That guy with the handle of “goodster,” uses an avitar photos of him, the wife, and their kiddiewinky, all in dark sunglasses.
    Seems the whole famdamily is into the drug thing – “cannabis cookies and hash brownies available …”
    Can’t get the little one to eat? Give him a hash brownie or two and he’ll soon get the munchies.

  4. Please remember, some of us Conservatives are also hardcore libertarians: we believe in freedom (liberty), as long as you’re not hurting anyone else!

  5. I’m with you Bushman. The government has no business other than to make our lives easier, not more regulated and complicated.

  6. You have to be smoking too much of Emery’s hydro bud to belive pot decrim will stop gang violence….or reduce taxes?
    As a conservative with a large libertarian bent I could moderately support some of Emery’s civil liberty causes but full scale Goverment pot vending isn’t one of them…We would still have the expence of policing and busting private pot growers/vendors….the whole concept is just a pothead’s delusion.
    but I can get behind busting the civilian election gag laws…even if I realize Emery has a mercinary agenda for all his advocacy.
    BTW: Re: the messaging in that NDP ad: a question: why would the dippers want to wipe out organized crime?…I mean there goes their union support. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  7. Collect taxes!!!
    makes it look like an NDPer will get to walk the hustings like a collection agent.

  9. I notice quite a few libertarians using the term “as long as no one is harmed”. In light of the recent SCOC ruling in regards to sex clubs, this has me a little confused…
    In the lib-left utopian society where everyone was purly altruistic, the “as long as no one is harmed” argument would fly. Not the case here in the real world though.
    Lets look at a very real scenari:.
    A father of 3 young children commits suicide. It was his decision and he had the freedom to make it. He’s harmed only himself right? Not so much. There’s the greif experienced by family and friends. There’d be a police investigation and coronor costs picked up by the taxpayer. Who picks up the burrial costs? Insurance doesn’t pay for suicide now does it?His family is now financially impared. His kids are to grow up without a male influence. They learn that there’s an “easy way out” for them as well if they so choose. Due to the financian issues, the kids won’t get to go to college or university in order to better themselves and become a burden on society as a result. Who picks up those costs?
    Who defines “harm” and where does one draw the line? Did the individual above harm just himself or did he harm his family and society as well?
    Can that same cause and effect trail not be followed for drug users?
    I’d like to call my self libertarian as well but I feel there must be some sort of construct to our freedoms. The knee-jerk libertarian “as long as no one else is harmed” catch phrase doesn’t cut it.
    We’re better than that.

  11. It’s the “collect taxes” part of the NDP platform which ensures that gangsters will still be involved in the drug trade. Just like they’re involved in cigarettes, booze, gambling and everything else which is highly taxed and highly regulated.
    But of course, gangsterism is an integral part of socialism. Socialist governments are themselves nothing but the biggest and baddest gang in town, and the more rival gangs that spring up, the more they can raise taxes, hire their buddies to work in “justice” related jobs, and spy on people.

  12. Prohibition is a very expensive failure.
    State controlled and grown pot would be just as expensive and would ultimately fail.
    Fully legal pot and privately owned legal grow-ops taxed and regulated like alcohol is the only sane answer.
    That people still believe the propaganda of the 60’s and 70’s and hold to the prohibition myth is beyond belief.
    Beyond the crime connected to illegal grow-ops pot is the least offensive of all drugs including cold medicine!
    There is only one answer, time to mature enough to except it folks, or continue to except the crime and guns that go hand in hand with black market items.

  13. PS.
    Harsher penalties only increase profits and create even more gun happy protectors of grow-ops.
    Suppy and demand.

  14. Richard, I agree that suicide is a horrible thing and certainly not victimless, but I fail to see how the law could stop it. I also don’t think a suicide can be reasonably compared to a sex club.
    I guess I’m in the “keep the gov’t out of our personal lives” camp as well.

  15. Isnt the NDP just a public declared version of a kickback scheme??. We take your money and redistribute it to people like us who want your money.
    The Libs did it on the sly, but the NDPs lay it out fully.
    Pravda(CBC) always reports the Libs funding something like the Federal Government is just a Magic Money Redistribution Scheme. they report Libs as funding promises, and they report CPC as costing, funny how that happens.

  17. I disagree Skook. Look beyond what’s right in front of you… Causation, action/reaction…

  18. I don’t in any way think the government should be in the drug distribution business. I think they should be out of that business all together. Do not place heavy sin taxes on drugs.
    My brother was a small time drug dealer. The badder guys went to his house and dragged him out of bed, tied his hands behind his back and put a bullet through his brain. He knew the risks, he took his chances, his 5 year old daughter lost her father. Without the profit motive illegality provides, my brother would not have been a trafficker. Fast money and fast women appealed to him. Still it was his choice.
    The war on drugs in reality acts as a price support for the gangs. If people could grow a few plants themselves without fearing a criminal charge, there’d be no need for a war on marijuana. Because there’d be no profit to be made by organized crime.
    People who say it would make drugs more accessible haven’t talked to kids in a while. Kids I’ve talked to have been offered free crack and free crystal meth at school. When you’ve got an addictive product like those two, giving free samples is a great marketing plan. In the third world, tobacco companies routinely leave free packs of cigarettes in video arcades and hand them out to teens entering clubs.
    Accessibility is here right now. Whether a kid chooses to try drugs rests in their own moral compass and what they’ve been taught at home about the bad side of drug use.
    I’d like to see the money being wasted on the war on drugs to be spent on uncovering and stopping human trafficking and forced prostitution and slavery.

  19. Drugs foster a dependency, which is in itself a growth industry these days. You need more money from taxpayers to pay the army of people involved in cleaning up the social problems that result of the dependency on drugs, from social workers to cops, to lawyers, judges, doctors and nurses, etc. Governments know that. It is just another way to create make work projects. Legimitizing it won’t make it any less amoral, and by that I mean knowingly and willfull promotion dependency of any sort is unacceptable.

  20. being a proud conservative supporter I have to admit that decriminalizing marijuana makes sence in the sence of taking the burden off the justice system and removing the profitability of it’s sale from organized crime. It is a plant that grows easilly in our climate and as such could be a valuable resource for paper production and textiles. but the government taxing it and making it available in the sence of people getting high is morally wrong; if you want to grow it yourself for your own use I see no problem but goverment allowing the distribution of it for a tax gain is wrong, this is the same as the current sale of cigarettes- they are available everywhere with a huge tax windfall for government. This practice doesn’t promote the health of the population. I am a smoker and if cigarettes were less available I’d be more inclined to quit. The law against avertising cigarettes is a joke, they are avertised in every corner store and gas station!

  21. Pot is no worse than alcohol in any measurable sense. Legalize it fully. It will cut down on (some) gang activity, because gangs will have no incentive to sell something you can buy at the corner store. The grow-ops in residential houses will quickly become obsolete, as factory-style hydroponic operations open up in industrial zones.
    Additionally, making pot legal will actually make it harder to acquire in some cases; In most high schools pot is more easily acquired than alcohol right now, since there is no I.D. requirement.
    Finally, keep in mind that police in many areas, have, for all intents and purposes, stopped enforcing the drug laws. No one gets busted for pot posession anymore….the cops have better things to worry about.
    Prostitution, of course, is a whole other issue….the prohibition on prostitution is even less rational than the one on pot, but i digress…

  22. “Pot is no worse than alcohol in any measurable sense”
    GM, give your head a shake. Where is the data to support that statement?

  23. The worst addiction in Canada is state dependency.
    Pot (or other drug) legalization should occur but not in the absence of real liberty (and individual responsibility). Isolating drug legalization within the current Canadian welfare state is dangerous and in a practical sense, infeasible given Washington’s certain reaction and response at the border.
    Do we really want a paternalistic asshole like Jack Layton as Pimp, Pusher, and Entitlement Sugar-Daddy?

  24. People who say it would make drugs more accessible haven’t talked to kids in a while. Kids I’ve talked to have been offered free crack and free crystal meth at school. When you’ve got an addictive product like those two, giving free samples is a great marketing plan.
    You’re probably talking about government schools. They’re “free”, they’re “inclusive” (can’t really kick anyone out), and the kids who get on drugs know that they’ll always get free welfare, they’ll get free medical care, free needles, free shooting zones, and coming soon to a big Canadian city near you, free heroin and crack.
    Some people will always self-destruct through chemicals. But a lot more of them will self-destruct when their government tells them everyday that they’re worthless, their property is not theirs, and that although they hold many rights and freedoms, they have no responsibility whatsoever.

  25. “Pot is no worse than alcohol in any measurable sense”
    GM, give your head a shake. Where is the data to support that statement?
    Lee, that data is available in any hospital emergency room. Ask a nurse how many people die per year from alcohol poisoning or from drunk driving. She’ll tell you. Then ask her how many people die from marijuana poisoning or driving under the influence of weed. When she’s finished laughing and tells you “zero” you’ll have your data.

  26. Not true ed, I wish i could remember the stats from Vancouver of the number of deaths caused by drugs (a lot of overdoses). Alcohol may have caused more, But “zero” is far from the truth.

  27. BTW Ed,
    Not to belabour the point, but while you are surveying nurses, ask them how much emergency room resources are used by drug users looking for a little “pick-me-up”

  29. Not the way to rescue the ๏ฟฝright๏ฟฝ
    http://www.theinterim.com/2006/jan/leishman.html
    “… suppose that the Conservative party can win power with a libertarian platform that combines economic conservatism with innovative liberal values. That๏ฟฝs a delusion. To rescue the right in Canada, libertarians and social conservatives must co-operate in supporting key policies that can win popular support.”

  30. People do not OD on Marijuana. However, the amount of tar contained in a typical joint is comparable to that contained in 4 cigarettes.
    Here is a quote from http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=5-C-Subs-1.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=20&rnd=664.0823434598531
    A study published in the June, 1999 Journal of Respiratory Cell and Molecular Biology, pages 1286-1293 states:
    “Marijuana (MJ) smoking produces inflammation, edema, and cell injury in the tracheobronchial mucosa of smokers and may be a risk factor for lung cancer.”
    The study concluded:
    “We conclude that MJ [marijuana] smoke containing Delta-9-THC is a potent source of cellular oxidative stress that could contribute significantly to cell injury and dysfunction in the lungs of smokers.”
    (6/99) AJRCMB
    In the end society will pay through long term medical cost similar to smoking. So the freedom to smoke pot contravenes the notion “as long as no one is harmed”

  31. All you people out there who are wringing your hands over Kate’s version of this bit of subliminal propoganda are obviously not fans of parody.
    I immediately thought of the cover of National Lampoon magazine circa late 70;s early 80’s, when I read such things.
    A heavily made-up beauty with a puzzled look on her face and dresses in a skimpy French maid’s outfit is seated on a stool, an extended arm holds a gun to her head.
    The caption at the bottom of the page screams out:
    “BUY ZISS MAGAZINE OR WE SHOOT ZEE FRENCH OOKER”
    The parody Kate has offered points directly to the Libs obvious message. Vote lib or more innocents will die. They are so desparate they have literally stooped to media terrorism.
    Pathetic, but funny in the darkest sort of way. Lighten up folks.
    If I have missed your point Kate, I apologize and I would never presume to speak for you. This is how I percieved it.
    Syncro

  32. Jack would like everyone to remain in a pot induced coma whle he picks the pockets of the more motivated to hand over to the less motivated.
    Pierre Trudeau took away a generation’s ability to think by sending them all to university.
    Jack can do the same by sending you all to the local grow-op.
    Who say commies can’t be efficient!
    http://dukemcgoo.blogspot.com

  33. Whats truly amazing about Jack Layton is how can someone have time to run the NDP and be the Video Professor at the same time.

  36. For the libertarians who say they are also Conservatives, there is a Liberterian Party of Canada you could join and support and elect. Or is it better to do your work from within a party that stands a chance to be in power?
    Libertarians, and I don’t want to generalize here (not much), usually mean extreme liberal views on drugs, sex, religion, and I guess from two comments, the right to own pitbulls.
    It’s not having to answer to anyone about anything, except to get your jollies with the blessing of the other citizens inhabiting your planet. Maybe they could refer to a civilization that 1) operated under the libertarian philosophy
    and 2) survived.

  37. Yeah, whatever, gellen! Libertarian to me means people who want to make as many choices as reasonably possible without the over-heavy hand of the State(of Left or Right bent) interfering. What do you find so offensive about that?
    In any event, the real issue is the undemocratic nature of the recent limits on “third-party donations” enacted by the Liberanos. Sure, I disagree with that pervert/weasel Emory, but why on God’s earth should there be commissars from Elections Canada crawling down his throat over this stupid poster?
    It’s so scary…and Can-sheep-anadians do nothing but munch quietly on their cuds.

  38. Oh and yeah, right, gellen….what the Tories really need right now is to split the vote, on the eve of a potential electoral victory! I would call you an idiot but that wouldn’t be poite, would it?

  39. Oh and yeah, right, gellen….what the Tories really need right now is to split the vote, on the eve of a potential electoral victory! I would call you an idiot but that wouldn’t be polite, would it?

  40. The way I see it, every time someone cracks a bottle of booze, I have a right to light a joint.
    People scream about the “right” to smoke cigarettes, which obviously leads to extreme health problems and a burden on our system, but as soon as someone raises the question of legalizing or decriminalizing pot, everyone gets all blubbery.
    Give it up. Pot is not a gateway drug, nor is it nearly as bad as booze or smokes for your body.

  41. The best way to describe what POT does is to ask the 35 year old in your basement when they are going to go out and find a job!

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