I just wonder if the journalist who upon receiving this email and decided that these were marching orders is proud that he’s busted? (go here and click Tuesday – 3:35)
I just wonder if the journalist who upon receiving this email and decided that these were marching orders is proud that he’s busted? (go here and click Tuesday – 3:35)
The “do you love” question got big play on the dinner news in BCTV (which goes all over the province) and everyone in the room here roared that he blew it by not saying right away “Love Canada? Fuck yeah. You’re damn right I do”.
What an easy lob.
Anyone of us would do that easy at the rink, at the bar…anywhere. The guy is frigid. Two screw ups on day 1.
Does anyone have a list of numbers and e-mail
addresss that could be kept on our computers for
us to write day after day after day to the
CBC?
We need volume of mail, and lots of it, people
speaking against their bias and doing it in a
way that shows our anger, but does not end up in
swearing, only using the facts as we know them.
If someone has one, please post and then we can
start writing and phoning.
The more we write, the more we are able to
let us know we are doing something to help.
cjg…
What if it was a CPC plant asking him an easy question and now they’re thinking…”Jesus..We are f__ked.”
Kate,
I just wanted to say keep up the good work (I often disagree with your point of view but you’re certainly keeping the healthy debate going!). I don’t think I can hang around SDA anymore (not that I’m here all the time, but I do pop in to see life on the other side from time to time). And it’s by no means your fault, but it just seems that everytime I come here and try to be polite, while gently pushing a few of my more conservtive friends buttons, I always end up with people swearing, and wishing me bodily harm (or just wishing I’d kill myself). Again, not even remotely your fault, but it’s just not fun for me. I guess I’m just not passionate enough about my points of view, but I just don’t want to respond in kind and I feel like if I stick around I’ll get dragged down into the mud. (I’m also surprisingly sensitive for a blogger, so I had best retreat before I start to take things too personally!) 🙂
Try to stay on the high road as best you can everyone. The Liberal strategy seems to be to go VERY negative, because they want you to get into the mud with them in the hopes that their stereotypes of the angry not-to-be-trusted Tories will stick even more than the true stories of Liberal graft and corruption. Sure, that’s playing to the lowest common denominator, but that’s why conservatives need to rise above and not take the bait.
Anyway, the more ferevent here will dismiss that as the call of a “liberal plant” to unilaterally disarm and let the SOBs waltz back into government, but how can I argue with that?
Well, enjoy the show everyone. Sadly I have a feeling it’s going to be pretty nasty. See you on the other side!
“I don’t want to hand over the reins of government to someone who is flummoxed by the “Do you love your country” question. That’s just sad.
LKO: I’ve seen your longer postings on this elsewhere. Your parsing of meaning and intent boils down to to Harper is an idiot for skipping one word in his how-I-walk-the-talk answer. It was a rhetorical question. Was no really in the running?
If this is your litmus test and Martin’s I-love-canada-more-than-that-guy performance doesn’t make your skin crawl that is very sad.
If the Liberal war room’s “harper hates canada” email doesn’t concern you that is very very sad.
But the truly sad part is that Martin’s south-of-the-line-i’m-a patriot-and-your-not ugliness looks bad on all of us.
There’s an elephant in the room and you want to parse Harper’s belly button lint. No thanks.
steve: they saw Martin’s south-of-the-line-i’m-a patriot-and-your-not shtick as well and had no comment? if they did, the sophistication of suckers continues to be a growth industry.
LKO,
The real story was the electoral fraud of the Liberal party. Im sorry you couldnt accept that.
When is stealing from the taxpayer ever right in a democracy? This is proven by Gomery.
Some people just cant keep their eyes on the ball. I’m sorry you couldnt. Please enjoy your retirement.
These people stole taxpayers money to buy elections. I cant believe that doesnt lead…
The non-confidence motion was historical but the lead item in this election is whether Stephen Harper loves Canada enough!
WOW.
What else needs to be said?
LKO – I”m not here to babysit anyone. In fact, with over 33,000 comments registered on this blog in just under two years, I dont’ even read them all. If you can’t take the heat of your own discussion threads, I’m certainly not going to bail you or anyone else out.
That said, I’ve made requests before to keep language in line, and to keep it civil and I meant it.
Of course he loves Canada, but the spin is the reality. The TV says so.
steve: certainly not the last lie. the real question is what we do about it.
i’d start with that liberal war room letter and martin’s heart-on-his-sleeves-i’m-a-patriot-and-your-not ugliness.
take our eyes off those elephants and we’re just a crown commenting on the cleverness of a bully.
arrgh… crowd.
LKO you weren’t unreasonable in the first place. Harper’s answer was weak. He seemed to subtly change courses in midstream. When asked if he loved this country he said something about how well, you know, politicians have to travel a lot, and it keeps you away from your family…and then he demured on the start and tried unsuccessfully to turn his words into some larger point about love for this country.
The reason that a lot of people are pissed is based on context, and the understanding that such questions are not questions but rather gratuitous attacks, and continuation of a Liberal attack strategy as done by proxy.
As Kate mentioned ommon courtesy dictates that whenever on the national stage members of the press should identify themselves and their organization. Otherwise Liberal operatives acting as journalists (as if there’s a difference) can walk up to an opposition leader holding a press conference at the start of election campaign and take a sideways shot at his proverbial knees, and then hand it over to their editor/producer pals for day-long editing fun. (Really sorry about this gratuitous reference Kate — I’ll phone directly first thing tomorrow. I already know from experience that that’s one good thing about CBC: individual complaints go straight to the top.)
LKO, if you ever run for office against a corrupt regime, and someone asks you with a cocked head and a sneer on national TV: “Do you love your kids?” you might see that one’s reaction isn’t the only part of such exchanges.
I’m as much a Conservative supporte as anyone and absolutely desperate for change. However, the CPC have to get their message across in a non-accountant fashion. Sad, but you almost have to be able to fit the message on a t-shirt.
The SSM thing, while not a mistake in being raised early, should have turned on the wonderful fact that a free and democratic vote would be held, representing individual Canadians from sea to sea. Each would be able to present their views to their individual MP, who then would choose to represent or oppose the view of their constituents.
What a concept! Democracy.
Instead it quickly turns into media mutterings about ‘not withstanding clauses’ and two tier relationships with existing SSM’s lawful, but perhaps future ones not.
What a sloppy communications mess. It saddens me.
Mark Steyn has an election prediction contest:
http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=64
My depressed entry:
1) Liberal minority
2) 115
3) Conservative 103
Bloc 65
NDP 25
4) Ignatieff 42%
5) Liberal Quebec seats won: 10
Liberal Ontario seats won: 68
6) Svend 41%
Hedy 33%
Tony 17%
Mark
Ottawa
Steven Harper is being persuaded to love canada at .. he might come around … who knows. Check it out for a laugh then get right back here to the issues.
Duke’s Place
This guy just can’t get into a groove … I tell ya he needs a happy pill.
The question was stupid, Harper answer was a mess. Seriously his answer should have been this,..
“Yes, of course I love Canada, that’s why I’m here fighting for change. Next stupid question?”
Ok the last bit was optional. Listening to all you people talk about how this was a trick question, or insulting question,… Jesus, maybe it was sleazy question to ask, but seriously, it was “Tee-Ball” question, Harper should have hit it out the pallpark, instead he seem to swing madly at the tee-ball and ended up walking to first base.
Has Harper been getting second hand brain cells from Bush?
Zorph, that’s the point. It was SO stupid, he tied himself up looking for the ‘trick’ in it. Have you ever heard ANYBODY in any campaign before, asked if they loved canada (or their wife and kids for that matter)? Sure it would have been nice if he could have put his hand on his heart and sung the national anthem. But it ain’t Harper and never will be. He becomes impassioned about things that matter: like Canadians being ripped off by the people they are forced to entrust their money to; their wellbeing of their families, etc. Hell, I’ve done improv and that question would leave me thinking ‘did I really hear that right?’
I saw several responses starting mid-day that questioned Martin’s love of country with respect to him flying the flag of Liberia on his ships.
They were followed several hours later by ‘the pundits’. Chalk one up for the bloggers… a person named JL on commentsplease was the first I saw.
http://www.politicswatch.com/csl-nov30-2005.htm
This is what Harper’s answer should have been:
…Pause of disbelief… then smile and say, yes, of course I love my country, I just hate the way it has been governed for the last 12 years. I’m here to change that.
With respect to the whole ‘Do you love your country’ question/response. Some of these posts seem to miss the point. As a long time Conservative supporter, I just can’t stomach voting for someone who just plain and simple showed as little emotion as possible when answering a question that demands a passionate response. The response that I, and every other conservative supporter, wants to here is an emphatic, ‘You’re god damn right I love my country. Next question’…and say it like you damn well mean it!!!!
The voting public wants to be inspired…Harper can’t afford many more of these self-inflicted wounds.
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Totally offhand comment.
First time ever posting here. Just a thought…One of the reasons I have been proud to be a Conservative party member is that I believe it is the party that rationally debates ideas with honesty. The “Shout down those who disagree” attitude I have seen in this thread is one I thought was found in other lines of thinking (ex. leftists), not conservatives. I guess I should thank those above who have shown me the extent of my naivete in this regard.