43 Replies to “Dear Governor Perry,”

  2. So lets see, what would prove you were both a citizen a resident?
    Hmmm, birth Certificate and Utility Bill or some form of ID that requires you to use those pieces of ID to get.
    So that means, passport, drivers license.
    Any combination of ID that proves you are a citizen and a resident. I guess the next step is if you are validated on the voter registartion rolls then you just need to show up with a piece of ID providing some proof that you are who you say you are.
    This is going to the Supreme Court to. The court needs to rule which is worse, having to prove you have the right to vote in a reasonable way and risk some people not voting….or letting people who have no right to vote being able to vote, which is more dimishing to the result? And which one is more harmful to society….
    Personally, if you cant provide any proof whatsoever, then you are SOL…is it really that difficult, and do people take their right to vote so lightly that they can be that easily disuaded??? Honestly, lets get a ruling.

  4. I don’t think that the US Justice Department studied these bills long enough before providing an answer. I think that they should study them for at least another 3 years.

  5. Build a fence, keep the illegals out, and then you won’t need to worry about asking for ID.

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    ANYONE WHO POSTS ANYTHING RESEMBLING A THREAT TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS ON THIS BLOG CAN, AND WILL HAVE THEIR IDENTITY FORWARDED TO THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES.

  9. Obama’s Team is doing anything and everything to ensure his re-election. Just think about it.
    We know that he’s trying to get Israel to ‘lay off Iran’ until after Obama’s reelection.
    There’s his denial of the Keystone – that’s for the environmentalists.
    His current focus on women voters whom he is manipulating by setting up a false scenario where the GOP are anti-women’s health.
    He’s still busy with his class warfare and his ethnic warfare.
    This photo ID is focused on hispanics and ignores that factual evidence shows a great deal of identity fraud.
    But here in Canada, we also reject photo ID. And proof of citizenship. I’ve been a scrutineer at several elections. If you are not on the registration list, all you have to do is show two items that identify that you live in the residential area. A hydro or telephone bill will do it. No need for photo. And, no need for citizenship. Some people couldn’t understand English – were they on visas, were they Permanent Residents an ineligible to vote? Who knew? No-one checked.

  10. Maybe this is relevant to the U.S. Justice Department because the States have a history of systemically disenfranchising citizens of their right to vote and because voter registration laws has disproportionate effects on different citizens.
    Maybe it’s reasonable that the U.S. Justice Department works to ensure that this ugly history doesn’t rear it’s ugly head again, notwithstanding the fact of illegal immigrants. What’s more important, that every one of the 290 million U.S. citizens gets to vote or that 10 million illegals don’t? How many proper citizen’s votes should be sacrificed to ensure that illegals don’t vote.
    It’s a variation on the idea that it’s better that 9 guilty criminal go free than 1 innocent person be convicted. However, in this case, a crime hasn’t even been committed and the influence of millions of illegals dispersed throughout the U.S. is probably minimal (or at least not hugely signifcant) as compared to the hundreds of millions who do vote.
    Nah, screw it. Better that as many poor, disenfranchised, politically and socially weak or insignificant people have their right to vote circumscribed and thrown under the bus to ensure that as few illegals as possible vote. Especially if there’s no evidence that the illegals have any real influence on the outcome of the election.
    I’m so glad it isn’t done like this in Canada. Where the right to vote takes priority over fear mongering and supressing the vote of certain segments of the population. Granted, we still (apparently) try to surpress the vote, but at least one must break the law to supress the vote rather than use the law itself to assault the basis of democracy.

  11. hey wet one(that should be pi**ing in the wind)
    if people are that easily disuaded, should they even be voting
    there is the rite to vote, coupled with the obligation to be an informed voter

  12. two said: “Granted, we still (apparently) try to surpress the vote, but at least one must break the law to supress the vote rather than use the law itself to assault the basis of democracy.”
    Dude, name one time.

  13. Hello abe.
    Enough with the over the top comments. Were British don’t you know.
    Have a nice day cheers

  14. The incompetent Republicans never, or seldom, say that each illegal vote disenfranchises one citizen’s vote. So, Mr. Democrat, tell us who’s side you are on. We know, but we’d like to hear it from the horse’s as… er, mouth.

  15. Ford Perfect
    We’re Canadians don’t you know and we call a spade a spade here.
    Meanwhile, take a really good look at your Britain and then consider shutting up.
    Or don’t you know?

  16. I don’t see how someone being too stupid to vote is disenfranchising them. It’s just a photo ID, you know the one you usually apply for using a birth certificate. I suspect the real problem is the birth certificate or lack thereof, at least in English.

  17. Geezus Wet One:
    Is that why you’re up early today? Abe Froman said it rather succinctly two posts above your drivel.
    It bears repeating for the hard of hearing…If YOU CAN”T get your act together to acquire proper ID then YOU SHOULDN’T be eligible to vote.
    If you don’t have a driver’s licence when stopped by a cop then you are SOL!
    If you can’t prove you are 65 then you can’t claim OAS.
    If you want to buy a gun in the States then you MUST have sufficient ID including current address.
    Want me to go on?
    The unspoken facts,(though known widely by those who pay attention is that the ones who complain about lack of; WILL vote for those in power that will give them Largess.
    Those running this interception,(the DEMS) know this and want those ‘touchy feely votes’ from those who have little to no skin in the game and most likely pay little to no income tax.
    Go back to bed Wet One…you’re attitude is what is f*cking up the mature sense of responsibility that voter’s should have no matter who they vote for.

  18. The simple fact is, the Democrats need illegal alien votes to win. In a country where you need ID to get the most basic of services, why is this an issue at all. I suspect if Obama wins, it will be a boon for sucession movements in the individual States.

  19. The Wet One – “What’s more important, that every one of the 290 million U.S. citizens gets to vote or that 10 million illegals don’t?”
    That ten million illegals don’t (the numbers are probably higher than that BTW). That’s enough to carry elections in border states. If you can’t get your act together enough to get some sort of ID then you don’t care enough about voting that anyone should honestly care that you should vote.
    “…the States have a history of systemically disenfranchising citizens of their right to vote…” Black people trying to vote in the South haven’t been required to recite the whole Constitution for many decades now, so your cheap attempt at a “racism!!!” smear is transparently stupid.
    “…a crime hasn’t even been committed…” There’s a reason they’re not referred to as “totally legal immigrants”.
    “Better that as many poor, disenfranchised, politically and socially weak or insignificant people have their right to vote circumscribed and thrown under the bus…”
    Blah blah whinge whinge. If you’re legally entitled to vote you are not, by definition, “disenfranchized”. Poor and “insignificant” people have the vote. There is no reason that any citizen cannot get his or her hands on a piece of photo ID.

  20. I rest my case.
    Actually I am not British I am an Albertan of German decent. Its just a saying don’t ya know.

  22. ” …But advocacy groups for minorities and the poor dispute that and argue there is no evidence of significant voter fraud.”
    So please define what constitutes “significant” fraud (as opposed to the insignificant kind) ….

  24. Just because you illegally snuch into a country doesn’t mean you have a right to vote like its lawful citizens do. This Obama regime is perhaps the most lawless unconstitutional government the US has ever seen. In an age of real patriotiam Obama et all whould be impeached by congress and if they refused to leave, they would face civil rebellion.
    As for Texas electoral laws – 10th amendment baby – use it or loose it.

  26. IANAL, but isn’t the core legal issue here whether possessing state-issued photo ID in order to vote constitutes a requirement that citizens divulge personal information to the government that they might not want to?
    (Yes, yes, I know the real issue here is illegal aliens vote Democrat, but the USSC needs some kind of pretense to consider the issue).

  28. Daniel Ream – I’m not sure of your point about ‘divulging personal information’ to the state. After all, IF a driver’s license is acceptable ID, then, how does this violate your concern about ‘divulging personal information’?
    Wet One – could you justify your comments about States depriving citizens of the right to vote (and this has to be current, not a generation ago); and explain what you mean by ‘voter registration laws have problematic effects’..
    Also, I think that your Either-Or argument is invalid. You state that it’s Either allow all US citizens the right to vote OR disallow the illegals from voting. Why is it Either-Or? It ought to be BOTH-AND.
    Actually, illegal entrance and living in the US IS a crime. Aren’t you aware of that?
    Could you explain how we in Canada suppress the right to vote? I’m unaware of this, and I’m sure you aren’t going to bring in the actions of unauthorized (or?) people in all the political parties to make trouble, to tear down signs, to remove oppositional party brochures etc.So – what’s your evidence?

  29. Looks like Abe pissed in the pickles… these days one should say only what they can be comfortable with in the legal sense. The days of anonymity are long gone.
    As voting is a right to be exercised by the citizens of said lawful community there should be no reason that proper ID be produced in order to exercise their rights. I know when I was in Texas Wife and I could have registered several times to vote and no one would be the wiser (had a social security card and a Texas driver’s license) but I can tell you that after visiting the Alamo, even contemplating voting fraud would be so wrong on so many levels.

  30. ET – One only needs a driver’s license to operate a motor vehicle on public roads, something that’s pretty widely understood by history and legal precedent to be a privilege, not a right.
    Is voting a privilege or a right? If it’s a privilege, then the State can set whatever limits or requirements it wants, I suppose, up to and including IQ tests, two years Federal Service, or being a white male landowner.
    If it’s a right, then requiring citizens to divulge personal information to the State in order to exercise that right gets into problematic territory.
    I think this is a Catch-22: I can’t think of any way to reliably identify someone given current technology that doesn’t divulge significant personal information to the State. The right to protection from unreasonable search and seizure and the right to vote (if in fact it is) seem to me to be in unavoidable conflict here. The USSC’s going to have to rule on which of these gives way in this case.

  31. Build a fence, keep the illegals out, and then you won’t need to worry about asking for ID. Missisauga Matt
    Unlimited immigration has been a strategic weapon which the Democrat Party used to flip California from a 100% Republican state in presidential elections, to a 100% lunatic left state. Their next goal is Texas, without which no conservative will ever be elected president, again.
    If the choice is enforcing the law and losing elections, or massively breaking the law in order to win elections, the Democrats have come down on their side, the illegal side, every time.
    The same illegals put millions of Americans on the unemployment rolls, or drive down their take home pay, which are big pluses in Obama’s eyes.

  32. I’m so glad it isn’t done like this in Canada. Where the right to vote takes priority over fear mongering The Wet One
    Me, too. Let’s hope America elects a leader of the farsightedness of PM Harper.

  33. But.. but… but…do they still allow you to wear a hijab at the polling station? Will sombreros be banned?

  34. There’s NO “personally identifying information” that anybody can be “forced to divulge” to the state on a DL application that you wouldn’t need to put on a voter registration card.
    What’s worse is the First Amendment issue that Jehovah’s Witnesses are illegally disenfranchised because they can’t carry state ID cards.

  37. There are more stringent requirements for shopping at CostCo than there are for voting in a state (or provincial) or federal election.
    Maybe I’m just being paranoid but that doesn’t sound right to me.

  39. The Wet One
    mindlessly repeating fascist talking points doesn’t work here…does it.
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/elisabethmeinecke/2012/03/12/outbreak_of_potential_voter_fraud_lights_up_rep_sheila_jackson_lees_district
    Multiple instances of 6 registered voters to a vacant lot, business address, or ficticious address….
    It has been posited with reasonable merit that the current POTUS was elected by widespread voter fraud.
    Here in Canada, photo ID with current address is manditory in order to vote. Last election the RO despite being a personal long standing acquaintance required this.
    It’s possible to clean this matter up the US will have to require voters to dip their fingers in a purple dye….as is practiced in many 3rd world nations.

  40. In regard to Texas, “I cannot conclude that the state has sustained its burden” of showing that the newly enacted law has neither a discriminatory purpose nor effect, Thomas E. Perez, the head of the Justice Department’s civil rights division, said in a letter to the Texas secretary of state.

    If the burden of proof falls on individual states to prove that legislations they enact are not racist, then America is hooped.
    The ONLY way to prevent non-citizens – which America, particularly the states bordering Mexico, has untold millions of – from voting is to require that anyone wishing to cast a ballot provide some sort of identification proving that he/she is a citizen. The hyperventilating accusation that this nominal and easily-met requirement is racist is itself racist because it presupposes that blacks and Mexicans lack the basic sense of wherewithal to figure out how to get ID.
    “Do you have any ID?”
    “No, that’s too complicated for people of my race…”

  41. The right to vote is not a human right, it is a citizen right. Since the population of the state is made up of citizens and non citizens it is not a violation of anyone’s right to ask them to prove that they have the citizens right to vote. That seams pretty strait forward to me. They only people who would be against this must be against it so that they can facilitate voter fraud.
    Don’t know if this is correct because I am Canadian, but isn’t it up to the individual states to run their elections? If that is the case does the federal government have any say in this?

  42. Minuteman said: “The right to vote is not a human right, it is a citizen right.”
    And there you HAVE IT my friends, the whole enchilada in once sentence. Citizenship confers rights, freedoms AND responsibilities unavailable to mere visitors, be they legal or illegal.
    One such responsibility is to be able to prove you are a citizen. You have to be able to prove you own your car, is your citizenship worth less than a car?
    However it is true that it wouldn’t be much of an issue in the USA if they hadn’t let 12 million Mexicans in without any ID. Something that big is a policy, not a screw-up.
    Guess whose policy it was, and who benefits from it. Fedreal party, starts with a “D”, ends in “rat”…

  43. Isn’t there already a drivers licence for this? Oh wait what Perry wants is another tool for Big Government. Better make up some stuff about ‘mass voter fraud’ by foreign people.

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