Buried in this op-ed is the answer to a difficult question that no one, least of all Doug Ford, wants to acknowledge:
“He’s got the science absolutely upside-down,” University of Toronto epidemiologist Dr. David Fisman, chair of the province’s COVID-19 “science table,” told Global News. “We know in Ontario that the huge drivers right now of transmission are workplaces, particularly industrial workplaces, warehouses, Amazon distribution centres, post offices.”
These same “experts”, of course, admonished people since day one to try to do all of their shopping online. You would think they would know that this would exponentially increase demand for output from workplaces which were never designed for social distancing and which just happen to be highly concentrated in the GTA. Coincidence, or just the God complex of the central planners working its magic?
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“I demand that the premier listen to me, and only me, but I won’t take a principled stand and resign from my cushy position on the advisory Science table” – Dr. David Fisman
Once this is over, every “expert” needs to be fired ,and driven from society.
They’ll hire more advisors to study that study and recommend more advisors to study that previous study.
Reminds me of a hamster on a wheel…actually many hamsters on a wheel.
“I won’t take a principled stand and resign from my cushy position on the advisory Science table.”
“Cushy”? None of the members receive compensation for serving on the Science Table. They’re all literally volunteering.
That’s fair… I’m sure he took a leave of absence from his $231k a year job at U of T to sit as a volunteer on the science round table…
It also doesn’t change that if he believes that the premiere isn’t following the best advice that the science round table is providing, he should resign, and run for political office if he thinks he can do better… I’m sure both the liberals and NDP would be happy to have him
JD, did you even understand what you read?????
Not to worry! The “granular” data … and contact tracing will settle the matter. Huh? I don’t seem to hear much about granular data or contact tracing anymore … oh well, Nevermind. Shut up and OBEY!
This has been a total shit show from day one. Flip flop enough times, nobody listens any more.
Chicken little, where are you??
The only “science” that Doublecross Doug is listening to is political science … as provided to him by simmpering little tits schooled by caviar commies.
Like my call to John Gormley this morning , after a government doctor refused to say what level of reduced infection rate or vaccination would allow a “return to normal”.
“Do they have phones in Texas”?
Texas and Florida are the answer. There’s just no way they’ll stop this stuff here and I think most people actually like it.
Pretty sure the “experts” have also pretty consistently been calling for:
* physically distancing and mandatory masks when indoors (which many folks here have questioned);
* appropriate PPE for employees when distancing is not possible; and
* paid sick leave provisions so that workers who are ill do not have to choose between their livelihood and their health/the health of their colleagues.
Meanwhile, pretty sure the armchair quarterbacks here on SDA have been pretty consistently been calling for:
* an epidemiologically infeasible and operationally impossible-to-administer magic ring-fence around long-term homes and an immediate and complete reopening of all other businesses and facilities in society.
How are the experts doing so far?
Go check the infection curves in Texas. Open since early March. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/
Well, considering that even a few weeks after restrictions were lifted, 83% of Texans still reported wearing a mask when in close contact with other people from outside their household, 79% report staying away from large groups, and 71% report avoiding other people as much as possible (Texas Politics Project, UT, April 3), and many businesses still voluntarily operated at below capacity, I’d say Texas’s current epi trends are hardly the repudiation of public health expertise and advice that you might want them to be.
That, plus a decent vaccination rollout and a luck-of-the-draw relatively low prevalence of variants of concern so far = cautious optimism.
The lockdowns spread this disease. Jurisdictions without them do much better.
Every situation that you stipulated in Texas was done voluntarily not under manditory Government demands. So you have just compared Texas to Ontario for infection rates and guess which juristiction fared better. Time to tell Justine that you made your best effort but like him nobody believed you!
Doug, when are you going to pull yer head outta yer asshole????
Texas is not the only location that has done well, Vietnam, S Korea, Taiwan, Japan,and Florida also do a lot better that Fat Fucking Fordville.
Both S. Korea and Taiwan had extensive public health infrastructure (testing, tracing, quarantining, etc.) in place prior to COVID-19, developed as a result of previous recent infectious disease outbreaks.
Vietnam locked down early in the global pandemic to flatten the curve, and has been running mandatory government-run quarantine facilities for inbound travellers since.
Japan has constitutional protections that prohibit police-enforced lockdowns, but nevertheless, just today, Tokyo is looking to seek a state of emergency declaration in order to bring in new restrictions in response to a surge in new cases.
In each case, these jurisdictions have done well partly because of, not in spite of, public health expertise and advice.
Doug, Ì am currently in south Florida, that is exactly what was done here and things are awesome. No magic required.
Explain how buying printer ink will kill my grandmother, Doug.
According the powers that be, who repeat the same failed courses of action again and again, it will.
I don’t entirely believe the “expert”. I’ve been working at a large warehouse here in the UK since part way through the first lockdown. We’ve had perhaps a half dozen cases among 200 odd workers across three shifts over the course of a year. Which makes senses as it’s a large building with workers travelling around and not in close proximity to one another for very long. Likewise most of the local manufacturing plants around here don’t seem to have been hit hard. Meat/food processing businesses on the other hand…
Fisman has been the biggest lockdown proponent of them all! You can’t advocate for this stuff tirelessly and then disclaim responsibility when it all fails and there is public backlash. This stuff is exactly what Fisman, Hinshaw, Henry, et al. want. They will be accountable just like the dictators Ford, Kenney, Horgan, etc.
There is no proof that lockdowns work. People give examples where a heavy lock down appears to have resulted in few deaths. What you will also find is that these are places with younger populations, little heart disease little diabetes, etc. so yeah, not too many deaths. Other places with heavy, heavy lockdowns had lots of deaths (Cali, New York, France, Belgium). There is no correlationlstion between lockdowns and transmission of the virus. It’s all superstition. Same for masks.
Yes LindaL, other factors, they like to ignore them!
And restrict a proven cure…….HCQ
Limiting the freedoms of the public outlined in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is no problem for our politicians. But giving the public the option to utilize other medications like Vitamin D, Invermectin, 3 proxalutamide, 2 fluvoxamine, HCQ in consultation with their doctor besides vaccines, is a challenge too big to be overcome for them. Apparently we are better off sitting at home doing nothing waiting until we turn blue enough to warrant a hospital visit. A few people died from blood clots related to CCP Virus vaccine, how many people died from utilizing above mentioned drugs? Non to my knowledge.
“Ontario did much better on COVID cases and deaths than ANY lower 48 US state and, AFAIK, any European nation, despite Canada getting vaccines late due to federal govt, not Ontario. Ford has handled crisis with dignity and deserves credit, not blame.”
https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1384006238002847756
Fisman is a political hack. No surprise there.
https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1382753908213354501
He blocked @climateaudit because Steve was asking him to show his work.
clipe….ford fuckup, he should have worked around the feds, health care is a provincial mandate, and he should have challenged the Turd on HCQ, Ivermectin, and other beneficial supplements. He screwed up big time!