149 Replies to “And the defecation has hit the ventilation”

  1. “I gave our negotiating team a new mandate, to seek a fair deal blah blah blah.”

    What was the old mandate, a shitty deal?

    “We cannot accept what they have offered.”
    What have the offered?
    “Sorry, that’s top secret.”

  2. Like I wrote earlier – PM Dickhead and his Forever Government are going to bribe Elbows Up voters and businesses with the tariffs they put on American imports.
    Makes sense when your electorate are retarded.

    1. As planned. Recession incoming – and only Carney will be there to pick up the pieces and “save Canada” from the evil Trump.

  3. Carney filling the heads of Liberal voters with pablum nonsense. What I find most amusing is that the Canadian channels are covering this like the final moments of the Meech Lake Accord debacle while there isn’t a word about it on U.S. channels. Seems to me that the Quebec Premier is giving Carney his marching orders. Canada is cooked.

  4. That’s not entirely true, if you count CNN:
    https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/21/economy/us-canada-trade

    https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/22/world/video/us-canada-trade-pact-unravels

    New York Times: (paywall)
    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/21/world/canada/trump-tariffs-trade-no-deal-carney-canada.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/22/world/canada/carney-trump-canada-tariffs.html

    Fox? Nothing. But lots on Amazon deals. Doesn’t most of Amazon come from CHYNA?

  5. Here’s what I think actually happened:

    The Canadian negotiators got the very best deal they could. Carney presented it to:
    – The Premiers
    – The Laurentian Elites (who actually control Canada)
    – The Ontario & Québec Dairy Cartels (who seem to have veto power over such things)
    – His masters in England
    – His other masters at the WEF
    – His comrades in the Democrat Party

    And one or more of these groups said “No”. Those in Québec likely said, “Hell Non!”. And that’s where we stand today.

    Sadly, this is all so predictable. With morons like Carney, Ford, Kinew, and Eby running things in Canuckistan, is anyone really surprised with this outcome?

    1. Kinew certainly didn’t help matters, no matter what you think of Carney. Hamstringing your quarterback at with the ball at the four yard line and ten seconds on the clock is an idiot move.

        1. Knob the smirker is just doing what his first nation self does best….scuttle whitey’s deals.
          Brian, I like your title…the defecation has hit the ventilation.
          Kurt Vonnegut said it even better….the excrement has hit the air conditioning.

          1. I can’t take credit for that. I heard it on The Unauthorized History of the Pacific War Podcast.

            From a retired US Navy submarine captain. I like it.

            And I think I’m going to use it on a regular basis.

    3. “Sadly, this is all so predictable. With morons like Carney, Ford, Kinew, and Eby running things in Canuckistan, is anyone really surprised with this outcome?”

      Not in the least. We have the kind of politicians we deserve, and they have acted true to form. Enjoy your recession, Liberals…you’ve earned it.

    4. Never attribute to stupidity what can be explained by corruption and self-seeking. They are all taking their marching orders and looking for their own advantage. Some are playing it better than others — Kinew isn’t stupid; what political party is he in, where is he located, and what’s his background?
      Ford and Carney have holdings in the U.S.; Eby is dependent on the Pacific Rim.
      None of them really care about Canadians.

      And yes, this is the play to help their Democrat buddies in the midterms; hopefully they are all very sadly mistaken.

  7. It’s by design.
    The same people pulling the strings on the Canadian trade deal are also pulling the strings on the Iranian peace deal.
    I love how all the Canadians keep bringing up the importance of their sovereignty. That’s caused by the deep seated realization that they haven’t any.

  8. Lord Carney mentioned in his speech to the peasants, that one of the reasons he rejected the deal was a threat against the French language and Quebec culture. Because nothing is more important than Quebec.

    1. I’m pretty sure the dump I took this morning is more important than K-bec.

      And, ironically, as has been written in many an Ottawa construction site shitter,
      “Flush twice. It’s a long way to Montreal.”

    1. A trade deal that includes American un-tariffed access to the Canadian dairy market threatens the #Libranos support from the French speaking peoples of Quebec.

      The hierarchy of Canadian groups is based largely on which group (either a voting block, or media squeaky wheel) has the ear of the #Librano Party of Canada. Industrial dairy products are 50% from Quebec, and well above the Canadian auto industry, for example.

    2. Anything that threatens the undeserved view of the Laurentian Elites as being the masters of the universe is perceived as a threat. That is why we have two official languages, English (the current lingua franca) and French (a bastard dialect mocked by France called Quebecois). That is why our former Prime Minister, Justine Trudeau, on a French only language broadcast said that Quebec owned the rest of Canada because most of the population of Canada doesn’t care to learn or practice French. If he had said it “en Anglais”, he might not have survived in office for very long.

    3. That’s a lie, no threat. The Americans do complain about language requirements on packaging, regarding them as a non-tariff barrier. But most packaging these days comes in English, French and Spanish anyway, if not multiple other ones.

  10. So after insulting our trade partners repeatedly in public, and then having our proposals rejected at the bargaining table, we have the nerve to act surprised, and instead of being gracious, we took our ball and went home.

    Carney is another man-child with the brain power and social skills of a gnat.

  11. Canada is now the North American economic equivalent of Iran. Canada is not worth the squeeze but we’re getting it anyway as Grit grifters need their Trump crutch the rest of the adult world has managed to work with.

    Whining about Trump has gotten us nowhere, just a convenient aid to Liberal power, as irrational as that idea is.
    Like Michael Campbell just said, Carney put it out there he was the only person qualified to deal with Trump.
    He has been an unqualified disaster as Trump’s tariff’s climb. No deal turns Carney’s election platform into a lie.
    But, thanks for our bribed mediocracy, citizens, not Liberals bear the brunt of their corrupted mismanagement.

  13. What if … this was all theater anyway because Trump just wants tariffs on products incoming from Canada? The skuttle-butt is Howard Lutnik scuttled the deal in the 11th hour when he tried adding some last minute things that just wouldn’t fly. High tariffs could incentivize more US companies operating in Canada back to the US.

    Carney’s reaction is classic wrapped in the flag bull-shit.

  14. I often think that if the British Crown had dealt with the French Habitants after the Plains of Abraham as they had dealt with the Scottish Highlanders after the Battle of Culloden things would have been so much better for all of us. For a start there would be no Canada, we would be part of the United States of North America, and these trade barriers would be immaterial. The only reason the French in Quebec didn’t join the American Revolution when they were asked was because America had decided that English would be the language of the country and Les Habitants had just secured their language ‘rights’ from the British, they were not about to cede them away to the Americans. A strong culture requires a strong defensive force and a common binding rule of law, Canada has neither. The sooner we understand that dynamic the sooner we will flourish, when we squabble amongst ourselves we become prey for the predators.

  15. It appears the US wants a say in Canada’s trade agreeements with other nations, turning Canada into a vassal state.

    That’s never going to happen. Unbelievable arrogance on the part of the Trump administration.

    1. They also wanted a say in our military, and other, purchases. I’ve been saying for months that parts of US adminstration want Canada to be “Puerto Rico without the passport.” I don’t think that was Trump’s idea but he doesn’t have a good track record of picking advisors.

      Telling someone what they’re allowed to buy and who they’re allowed to sell to isn’t how you speak to a partner, it’s how you speak to a vassal. China does this with its trade partners. That’s why they are so hated in some parts of the world.

        1. Are we still pretending the US is a superpower? Jeezus, Iran is taking it to the cleaners, and it depends on the rest of the world tp buy debt so it can ward off fiscal crisis.

          1. ?
            care to enlighten us on an inventory of lranian eqpt and structures blown to bits as opposed to, oh, say# of F35s downed?
            patience patience KM. no need to rush with ‘boots on the ground or such.
            oli price is a distant secondary consideration, that will correct itself when *both* sides agree the fighting is over.
            meanwhile, lran is CONTAINED and the terrorist organizations once fully funded are lining up at the food bank.

          3. I wasn’t being totally serious. The US is still THE super power.

            But Trump is doing his best to correct that. The worldwide destruction of trust in the US combined with a massive deficit that relies on foreigners to constantly buy its debt is a toxic cocktail. One good recession and dominoes could start falling.

      2. I’m pretty sure (positive) the only reason we’re not a vassal state of China is because of the US of A.

        We gave up our independence when the Liberals turned Canada into a Mommy State and the CAF into a fcking joke.
        (And please, this isn’t a shot at the tough fcking dudes and chicks who do what they can in the forces.)

      3. Trump wants Canada as the 51st state (or 51-57th). The Yanks have tried this several times since their rebellion.

    2. It appears as though many Canadians are perfectly happy being a vassal state/resource colony for other countries (who have no intentions on giving you what you have long requested from us).
      And you’ve also become a go to place for anyone wanting to clean illicit money. I believe they call it ‘snow-washing’. It injects about 50 to 100 billion into your economy each year. This is an issue very important to my country, if not yours, but for reasons of diplomacy we have to be rather discreet. That’s why the media focus (on both sides) have been centered on Albertan oil, Ontario autos, and Quebecois moo juice.

      https://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/fintrac-flags-high-risk-canadian-crypto-shops-knowingly-helping-to-launder-funds-for-organized-crime-and-iran-linked-groups/article_022b408a-8f4f-4de9-9a99-5777be4d46de.html

      1. Snow-washing, as you call it, has taken off under the Liberal government over the last 10+ years. That’s why so many of us wanted the Conservatives to win, they are less beholden to special interests and would try to get a handle on organized crime. That would be beneficial to both our countries. Assuming the Conservatives ever get in power I would expect a crackdown on organized crime. Until then, I don’t expect things to improve.

        BTW, the biggest drug busts in Canada this year have been with drugs illegally imported from the US. We really need some adults in the room who can figure out how to work together.

        1. Darling, you can kick, scream, cope, and cry all you want to, but the fact remains that you are a hub for money laundering thanks to the way your financial services are overseen/regulated. As such you have been a security risk for quite some time, and may I remind you that was one of the things that got this trade war ball rolling.

          By the way: Defense Production Sharing Agreement and Defense Development Sharing Program…while your Gripen venture doesn’t break that, it certainly wasn’t helpful.

          1. Kicking and screaming, hardly. Your government demands we look after your border, what “super power” needs someone to babysit them? America is the only country I know of that thinks they should be immune to the consequences of their actions. The money laundering is being done by organized crime coming out of the US. Your hands are not clean.

            As for defense, your government demands we spend more, then throws a trantrum when we don’t spend it on their companies. It lets you know that it wasn’t defense they wanted, it was spending to prop up overpriced US defense contractors.

      1. Given that no deal was struck, and thus no formal document will be produced, I guess we have only the two sides’ say-so. An annoying circumstance.

        1. Unless, of course, you’re a connoisseur of free-form tap dance, in which case it’s a golden opportunity.

      2. Exactly. It’s impossible to get anything truthful from the Canadian media. Bought and with a bad case of TDS. Ditto for most of the US media.

    4. Ehem, for you very upset Canadians:

      What does Article 32.10 of the USMCA Trade Agreement state? And, after you’re done looking it up, would you please put it here for the rest of the audience?

      Now, what non-market economy did your PM make a trade deal with? And, does that mean my country has a right, under the existing trade agreement’s rules that your country signed on to let me remind, to request that you do not do such a trade deal?

      I’ll wait.

      1. It would be the same non-market economy your country made a deal with. Not sure which country? You can look it up. I’ll wait.

        Actually, I can’t be bothered.

      2. I think the stipulation that there would be no goods traded to the USA from Canada that were made by slaves is the part where “They were trying to tell us what to do!!!”

        Also no more “snow washing,” That probably showed up as a problem.

        1. Snow washing is a crime that needs to be addressed. Our political betters should be unable to look at themselves until the problem is solved. That crime is tolerated in Canada should be a national embarrassment.

        2. “I think the stipulation that there would be no goods traded to the USA from Canada that were made by slaves is the part where “They were trying to tell us what to do!!!””

          That might be a roundabout way of telling Canada to stop relabelling Chinese products as Canadian for export to the US.

    5. “It appears the US wants a say in Canada’s trade agreements with other nations, turning Canada into a vassal state.”

      Where does what appear? What were the exact terms? You don’t know. We don’t know.

  16. Enjoy the last of your 3-day reprieve Canada … tik tock, tik tock … as I said two days ago.

    I honestly believe it’s much simpler than all the well-reasoned analysis here. ALL your political leaders have become addicted to Trump-hate and USA-hate, and they simply cannot lose their only winning platform in a collapsing Canada. That’s all. What does Occam’s razor posit? Yeah, the simplest explanation wins … EVERY SINGLE ONE of your politicians are too committed to ‘standing up to Trump’ to make ANY Trade Deals now.

    And now Trump can be conveniently blamed for all of Canada’s ills. Elbows OUT! Diversity in Trade! Mid-table Economics! Formally join the BRIC’s! SMH

    1. The big problem is who will end up sitting on your doorstep when Canada makes a deal with the devil just to survive?

      Also, the last 40 years of Canada – US trade were based on trust, that’s all in the trash can now. It will be at least a generation before that trust can start being rebuilt. The US is closing the door on a consumer market the size of California, how is that good business acumen?

      1. Trust, eh? Such as reprocessing cheap ChiCom steel then pawning it off on America as Canadian steel? Canadian Puhleeze! And yeah … all that money laundering business … so glaringly awful that TD Bank gets slapped with the largest fine ever …

        TD Bank received the largest fine ever imposed under the U.S. Bank Secrecy Act, totaling approximately $3.09 billion for failing to maintain an adequate anti-money laundering program and for facilitating money laundering activities. This includes a record penalty of $1.3 billion from FinCEN and $1.8 billion from the Department of Justice.

        Funny thing … it’s said CA is the 6th largest economy in the world … and you compare Canada to that!? Really? You TDS’ers are too funny.

        1. I’m on this site pointing out things I think Trump did well and things he flopped on. To accuse me of TDS just because I don’t drink the kar fentanyl of Trump’s infallibility says a lot about your inability to think clearly where your hero is concerned.

          1. I have a list of things I wholeheartedly disagree with Trump on. But frankly they’re NOT significant enough to mention. Starting with pardoning Junk Bond King Michael Milkin who swindled $Billions off innocent elderly to the slaughter.

            Not a sycophant … but when compared to 12 long years of Obama’s anti-American policies and packing the Deep State bureaucracy with trad-America haters … forgive me for cheering this PRO-American businessman-POTUS just a bit. He’s a breath of Fresh Air.

            https://youtu.be/1EacQEhrbBQ?si=0PO8Bvr-75yJhiak

            More sounds of 1971

      2. “Also, the last 40 years of Canada – US trade were based on trust, that’s all in the trash can now.”

        Donald Trump will be gone in two years, but Canada will still be sharing a 5000 mile border with the richest, most powerful nation on earth. That’s some really stupid long-term policy right there…

    2. Well, Kenji, your analysis of Carney’s re-election strategy I think is correct. The US doesn’t keep agreements, it is totally untrustworthy and doesn’t believe in bargaining, just bullying. I do not know how much Carney is using this as an excuse.

      This is a sorry state of affairs that threatens MY wellbeing. Maybe you don’t understand how this behaviour around the world will impact you. Can the US be totally self-sufficient in materials and production?

      1. Yeah, yeah … negotiating in the self-interest of America is termed … “bullying”. Huh? What other “community” cries about “bullying” and passes laws to prevent “hurt feelings”?

        Your response is so gay. Man up.

        Psssst … trade negotiations require FREE SPEECH and honesty … not whiney blame rhetoric.

        1. Except the US is not acting in its self interest. Tariffs are on the whole a drag on the economy.

          Unfortunately, Canada was not able to convince the US of that. Some people learn by reading, some through observation, but Trump has to piss on the electric fence for himself.

          1. I disagree with you on that count. Trump is not stupid. He knows he, and the US, has limited time before America’s problems begin to overwhelm it. He needs to do as much as he can as fast as he can before he’s blocked or it’s too late. Unfortunately the path he has taken is not, in my opinion, going to give him the desired outcome. All it’s done is burn the good will America built up over the years without much to show for it.

          2. Our economy is doing quite well … which is why you continually piss on it. It doesn’t matter. We are fully employed. Wages are rising, and inflation is waning. Yeah … and the stock market gained back all its small losses last week in one day.

            But keep pissing on great things … it’s appears to be what Canadians do.

          3. “Quite well”.

            It’s doing okay, in large part due to the Big Beautiful Bill, whose tax cuts are stimulative, the massive deficit, which is also stimulative, and the AI boom.

            But this stands in stark relief to what was promised. Trump didn’t promise okay. He promised that tariffs would make the economy take off like a rocket, and that inflation would start decreasing on day one.

            Why didn’t that happen? Because tariffs generally suppress the economy. This isn’t my idea. It’s the conclusion of most economists, including these:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59YWFR8lCEc

            https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2HHiEqs-CPA

          4. You sound bitter that Trump lowered taxes for the vast majority of the American middle class. Shouldn’t THAT BE what ‘conservative’ Presidents DO? You make it sound like a bad thing? So does Mamdani …

          6. I didn’t say whether I was bitter or not. As usual, your arguments are based on a fantasy.

            Tariffs are taxes, technically paid by the importer, but ultimately by the consumer. You should consider that before celebrating them.

          7. You should have read the actual paper:

            Our evidence is not causal. The correlations we find in the data could reflect that tariffs impacted sectors that were already experiencing a multiyear trend in improved labor productivity and shrinking labor share. Another potential story could be that tariffs forced unproductive firms that were highly dependent on foreign goods out of the market. This would imply that only the most productive firms remain, and that markups could have increased due to reduced competition. Another possibility is that businesses invested in new equipment or new production processes to reduce labor costs and compensate for tariff-induced input cost increases.

            In short, the researchers don’t know why this correlation exits, or if it will persist.

        2. I think you misunderstood, every Canadian on this site wishes our government cared about Canada at least half as much as Trump cares about America.

          1. Whether Trump cares about America is moot. The most important question is whether his policies are helping the US.

            And they don’t seem to be. The economy is slowing, job growth has stalled, inflation is high, the deficit is soaring, the balance of trade has barely budged, and the US is mired in an expensive and seemingly unwinnable war with Iran.

            This is why so many Republicans are not looking forward to November 3rd. If the polls are to be believed, voters are looking for a Democratic counter balance to Trump.

          2. OK KM, is the fact – and it is a fact – that Carney and the Forever Government do NOT care about Canada moot?

          3. Seemingly unwinnable war in Iran

            Yes. I will come back here and rub that statement in your face when the radical, apocalyptic terrorist Iranian State completely collapses and turns to dust. When the Persian people are freed from their EXTREMIST Theocratic overlords … and Iran returns to its 1950’s & 60’s success and modernity. And the entire world cheers it … whether they want to or not

          4. I like Carney’s economic and military policies. They make sense given the (bizarre) situation, and are ten times more sensible than the clown that preceded him. I don’t like his policies on individual rights and freedoms, where he seems to be continuing Liberal practices.

            But does Carney care about Canada? Presumably. I don’t see any reason to think differently.

          5. Kenji, everyone wants the Iranian regime overthrown. But Trump’s attempts at it may have caused more harm than good. Certainly the proposed economic boycott won’t do much except hurt the Iranian people . Those running the country won’t care.

          6. Let me guess KM … you believe Obama already had a solid “deal” with Iran. After all John F. Kerry negotiated it … *snicker*

          7. Let me guess, Kenji. I bet you think Trump had a solid plan in place when he attacked Iran.

          8. “I think you misunderstood, every Canadian on this site wishes our government cared about Canada at least half as much as Trump cares about America.”

            YES. Thank you.

            We wish our ‘leader’ didn’t keep 87% of his investments and 93% of his total wealth in the United States. It would also be nice if his wife and his adult kids lived here, not there.

        4. “Let me guess KM … you believe Obama already had a solid “deal” with Iran. ”

          Only an idiot with pathological TDS would believe that.

          (oh, wait…never mind..)

      2. “Can the US be totally self-sufficient in materials and production?”

        They can if they want to…or they can just buy from others Or a combination of both, as they have always done). The bottom line is that we need them far more than they need us.

      1. For which you will now be paying an extra $200 billion in taxes. What puzzles me about all this is that many of the Canadian exporters are US owned anyway.

        1. You don’t think that we can’t reciprocate to your intended reciprocation after Labor Day?
          Yes, that means American companies will either relocate back to the U.S.

          1. Repatriating former US corporations who became globalist whore corporations exploiting cheap labor across the planet … sounds good to me.

            To paraphrase Joni Mitchell …

            Give me $35.00 toasters, instead of $25.00 toasters …
            But give me the restoration of American manufacturing

    2. The US will get it from elsewhere, clearly.
      Canada has nothing unique, except for Mass Formation Psychosis with Terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome.
      Yours is showing.
      They can, and will, get their oil, gas, potash, etc from elsewhere. Easily.
      Looking forward to Canada being embargoed by the US.
      A painful lesson all you ElBoWZos need to learn, a HARSH lesson.

    3. “There is no point in taxing imports from the US; withold the stuff they want.”

      Ask Saskatchewan and Alberta if they are okay with that.

        1. bingo.
          this LNG bizarreness points to a serious incongruency in energy management in Canaduh.

  19. Forget retaliatory tariffs, just don’t by American. The possible extra cost will be less than the cost of a tariff war.

    1. But there’s a problem in that for those of us who don’t like being told what to do. I mean, if you’re old enough to vote you should be able to decide if you want bourbon or bush-hogs instead of a European or Korean substitute.

      Im not a bourbon fan, but it pisses me off to no end that a trawna greaseball says I cant have it if I wanted it.

      1. Im not a bourbon fan, but it pisses me off to no end that a trawna greaseball says I cant have it if I wanted it.

        Which is why I said what you replied to.

    2. 2/3s of your fresh vegetables and 1/3 of your fruits are imported from the U.S. Also, machinery, auto parts, nuclear reactor components, electronics, plastics, medical apparatus do make up significant sectors that Canada imports from the U.S.
      This might make things a bit difficult.

      Maybe most of you should have listened to Jivani and not thrown a tantrum.

        1. That’s true, Canada like the US is food independent. And, like the US, Canada imports goods it can’t grow locally. Coffee, bananas, spices, etc. None of those things are required to live a healthy life but importing them makes life better.

          1. ” Coffee, bananas, spices, etc. None of those things are required to live a healthy life but importing them makes life better.”

            True, but most of that is shipped to Canada through the US even when it doesn’t originate there. If our border closes WE are in serious trouble…the US, not so much.

      2. “2/3s of your fresh vegetables and 1/3 of your fruits are imported from the U.S.”

        Impressed that you know that, Jane. Two billion dollars worth of Mexican produce is also shipped via truck and rail through the US to Canada as well.

        1. Yes. Now, should I tell you about your baby formula? To the tune of 75%+, perhaps 90%.

    3. Too bad for you!
      I bought $10K US cash today, fully expecting a crash in the Loonie forthcoming, starting with a 1 point fall on Monday, then steadily falling to approach 0.65
      Bank. On. It.
      Plus, the Shiny pieces of metal also insulate a currency crash, while being invested in the upside of a commodity supercycle, resuming its upward march. DoublePlus Good!
      Hope the rest of you have heeded advice to minimize your Canuckistani holdings. The Big5 really took it on the chin this week. Deservedly. Vastly overbought.
      Also grabbed 6 Tisdale Merlots from EW. A fine, cheap California Merlot, that’s MILES better than any BC/Canadian plonk under $40.
      Coming right up? $3/litre gas and diesel, $15 6pack of Romaine, expensive fruit and veggies, and every other imported US product where there is no substitute.
      ElBoWs uP bItChEs!

    4. “just don’t by American”

      I’m buying what I can afford, America or not.
      We’ve been facing privation in Alberta since 2016 thanks to Ottawankers.
      Time Canadians got it in the teeth too.

  20. Canadians are unwilling and unable to play the long game. (Like the Chicoms.)

    Sure, Trump is gone in 2 and a half years, but geography is destiny and the vast wealth of the US isn’t gonna disappear overnight, debt issues notwithstanding.

    The Forever Government cares only about the Forever Government.

  21. Pssssst … America doesn’t NEED your oil. So go right ahead PM Carney-barker … make Canadian oil an unaffordable option.

    But … that’s what YOUR nation is bent on doing anyway, Right? Keeping the oil in the sands. Keep the oil in Mother Turtle. Good luck with THAT strategy. But Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen … and even Bono approve … so I look forward to reading their praises heaped on your TOUGH PM.

    Shrug. Meh.

    1. The Eastern Canadians would like us to keep the oil (and natural gas) where it is, some of us see it as a massive oil spill of which it is our duty as stewards of the land, for us to clean it up.
      There’s +1 trillion barrels of oil in sands in the northern Alberta areas, (The USGS measured it) of which +175 billion is economically recoverable. The USA doesn’t have to go to war for this, nor “secure” a front against others taking it, there’ll be no loss of lives, nor of losing stature as a nation by buying from Alberta.
      The real cost to the USA, is very near to zero.
      A pipeline south or two would help… as would state recognition in the event of a positive outcome in our coming separation referendum.

      and if the Eastern Canadians use this to teach further lessons of how to hate the neighbors south of us, I’m fine with it (well I can’t help that too much, I’m just a commentor at SDA …) as long as it helps our separatist’s sentiments and goes further to us gaining the required 50% +1 in said referendum.

      1. I wonder if Trump’s graphic announcement of the new Keystone pipeline motivated your anti-fossil fuel PM to queer the deal? After all Trump was ‘bullying’ Neil Young and his ilk.

    1. Pretty much this, although there are some security issues as well, and…the Mexican demographics and workforce composition make it a better partner than Canada, which is more of a competitor.
      Demographically, you’re getting really long in the tooth (and then there’s the immigration thing). My president was joking about the 51st state and completely serious when he said he wanted out of a trilateral trade deal between us, you, and any other country.
      But yeah, you completely fell for a psyop.

    2. There’s a bit of revisionist history going on there. I remember that NAFTA allowed US companies to buy up Canadian companies, dismantle them, and ship them to Mexico where the cost of production was lower. Canada didn’t do anything about it because NAFTA allowed it, and we were trying to stick to our agreements. Doing a deal with China wasn’t sneaky, it was a move to survive after being stripped of our manufacturing base by the US. If the US never stripped Canada of it’s industrial base, China never would have gotten a foothold.

      1. Name one. Name one Canadian company that was stripped, dismantled, and shipped off to Mexico. That sounds like such a Hollywood version of private equity firms ‘Buy, Strip, and Flip’ FEAR porn.

        1. Kenji, your own country does this to its own people – and helped create the rustbelt.
          Many, many, many companies make stuff in Mexico now.
          That was the problem with NAFTA – it wasn’t Fair trade, it was Free trade.
          (Fair trade is pretty much impossible due to government subsidies and all sorts of other shenanigans.)

          2. I must have missed it – did you name one Canadian company that was stripped and shipped?

          3. Kenji, your own country does this to its own people – and helped create the rustbelt.
            Many, many, many companies make stuff in Mexico or China now.

  23. Some folks here seem to think that trade negotiations are a simple issue. Not so.
    I happened to be an up and coming young executive for a multi national corporation when Canada had a run at Wage and Price controls in the 1970’s. We were able to turn on a dime to (more or less) legally adjust intercompany trading pricing to escape a major tariff impact.
    On another front, back in the day CSA / industry committees had much less to do with public safety than the process of creating non-tariff barriers to keep Americans out of our market. We were really good at it!
    (Now the CSA is a legalized extorsion racket to foist endless unneeded standards revisions on companies.)
    Lots of really tricky moving pieces!

    1. Kenji, you seem to misunderstand Canadians on this site – no one here, except trolls, like Croney Carney, a man who moved his business, Brookfield, to the US just before he became PM and stopped being CEO of Brookfield, although he kept his shares..

      We are all arguing in the dark here, as we know nothing about what actually transpired.

  25. I am confused. Where do I find out the details of this failed agreement so I can make some reasonably intelligent comments?

    1. Your PM prattled on for a LONG time… in two languages! Are you telling me he didn’t provide ANY detail leading to his elbows-swinging-wildly decision? How could that be!? He wasn’t just giving a campaign speech was he?

      Of course he was. See my Occam’s Razor comment above.

  26. In any trade deal, China holds the cards and hands them out as needed. Carney and Xi never wanted a deal. Trump never bothered to organize the US domestically before starting trouble with everyone over everything. Now, Trump has head in a bucket and no one will help. The midterms will go whatever, but, 2028 will see a Democrat president and a return to normalcy.

    2. I hope not. Vance would be better. The only reason he’s not fired is that he cannot be fired.

    3. “The midterms will go whatever, but, 2028 will see a Democrat president and a return to normalcy.”

      Doubtful. The US economy will be booming by then, and economic prosperity generally prevents the desire for governmental change.

  27. We aren’t a serious country. Until this new batch of tariffs, inter-provincial barriers cost more than Orange Man’s tariffs. We are drowning in resources (ring of fire) yet hardly a new project gets off the ground except in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Central and Eastern Canada loaths Alberta almost as much as they loath America and Trump. We couldn’t stop an invasion of ground hogs without USA support. China clearly has a back door to the power structure…. Yet we gnash our teeth over America impacting our sovereignty. We live next door to 27% of the world’s Gdp, yet are too arrogant and have so many special interests to satisfy that we can’t make a deal. And, the pandering to Quebec is shocking…. We have just become accustomed to the protection racket. And now, we play tough guy while billions of dollars of Canadian business has to decide if it wants to stay here. I predict the gutting of Ontario and Quebec if they do not get a deal. I have no intention of being part of China’s belt and road; so of course I’m a Western separatist.

    1. Every coastal urbanite in both our countries loathe the rubes out in flyover country. They’re loathsome people … who know far less than they give themselves credit for.

  28. I have a different question here, what would need to happen for Canada and the US to have a good trade relationship? Not, bend over and give the US everything, or let Canada run roughshod over the US. I’m thinking about a partnership that respects borders and boundaries. I’m curious what other people think.

    My two thoughts are, dealing with organized crime in Canada, and getting US subsidies under control. Anybody have any thoughts?

        1. Puhleeze. Every country has them in one form or another. I’ve explained before why they’re necessary for a continued food supply. Are there some adjustments and and cleanup of some exploitation … yes. But elimination of farm subsidies? A very very bad idea.

      2. The US subsidies agriculture, energy, technology, and transportation. Energy gets huge tax breaks, the others get direct subsidies or “incentives”. There are also sole sourced government contracts.

        1. Energy … huge tax breaks? You’re still speaking in generalities. You mean tax breaks for investment in new plant, equipment, and exploration? Like the exact same “tax breaks” my family gets? My sole proprietorship business gets? You sound like Neil Young and the wind energy crybabies.

          1. Well, there’s the tax credits in the Inflation Reduction Act, Intangible Drilling Costs which allow companies to deduct 100% of their drilling expenses, Advanced Nuclear PTC which provides a direct subsidy of 1.8 cents per kilowatt hour, the Direct Loans Program which provides energy companies with low interest loans and other guarantees. There are others but I think you get the point. The US government provides subsidies and tax breaks to energy companies.

            Maybe to ask this another way, is the US getting value for the dollar on its subsidy and incentive programs?

          2. Cheap plentiful energy drives our entire economy and culture. Accommodating our energy infrastructure benefits … EVERYONE. Literally … EVERYONE. So wow … writing off 100% of the investment in added energy sources is somehow hurting someone?

            Psst … it’s not just energy … ALL businesses can write off 100% of their major investments in year one. Why single out energy?

            https://andersonadvisors.com/blog/new-100-tax-write-offs-under-the-big-beautiful-bill/

        2. “The US subsidies agriculture, energy, technology, and transportation. Energy gets huge tax breaks, the others get direct subsidies or “incentives”.”

          Same thing in Canada.

          “There are also sole sourced government contracts.”

          Also here in Canada.

    2. “My two thoughts are, dealing with organized crime in Canada, and getting US subsidies under control. Anybody have any thoughts?”

      Reasserting control over immigration would be a big one.

      1. I agree. I think organized crime has been using Canada’s lax immigration system to import and recruit members.

    3. Bilateral trade agreement — the conditions of our relationship with you is different than the one with Mexico. Quit with the snow washing and take shared security interests seriously instead of playing footsie with the other team (simplistic picture, but it works). We don’t care if you put up some tariffs to protect your national interests but don’t try to demand free trade with us while you have created all manner of work arounds for yourselves. Reorient yourselves towards the Western Hemisphere — this is one is perhaps the most psychologically difficult and yet the most necessary.

  29. Let me connect together two stories in the news right now:

    1. Mark Carney pulling Canada out of a trade agreement with America.
    2. Jason Arday being revealed to be a fraud and then committing suicide.

    What do these have in common? In both cases, the supporters of Carney & Arday are in complete denial about anything remotely related to … wait for it … THE FACTS. They’re also portraying both men – their heroes – as innocent victims who have done nothing wrong and have consistently exuded honour from every pore of their bodies.

    Much like what happened with Covid, the usual suspects cannot admit that they’ve been lied to and conned. It’s simply too much for them, so they must continue believing in The Narrative™, forever it seems.

    1. the supporters of Carney & Arday are in complete denial
      My wife is a Carney fan-girl. The CTV is God’s Holy Writ. Peace requires diplomacy 🙂

      1. exactly you also R Ottawa,
        HOW ****anyone**** can ‘finger point’ ANYWHERE but at arday for what arday did. inexplicable. adults in their 30s and 40s some of them where the h-e-hockey sticks have they BEEN??

    2. oh ya.
      l like how you connect the personal psychology of things with the ramifications on the larger global sphere. l dont think there is enough interest and methodical analysis of the psychological makeup of the world leaders to begin to map out for instance a set of reasonable expectations prior to voting and *determining* just who those leaders are.
      and the grand sum of what become ‘social norms’. a recent YT vid spelled out a number of times societies held certain beliefs that caused great damage. beliefs that wound up wrong.

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