There are many other avenues for the Trump administration to impose tariffs.
Sector tariffs are still allowable: Steel, vehicles, wood products etc.
So Trump Trade Negotiators just make a short or long list of specific trade sectors depending on the country in question.
The US stock market didn’t even budge as thsi awas a widely expected decision.
Sure, but they’re far more limited, cumbersome, or time consuming. No more threats like “I’m going to impose 100% tariffs on all Canadian imports.”
Here, I’ll make you a list
Oil
Natural gas
Forestry products
Certain metals, most of which originate from China anyeay
Autos and parts thereof
Should have that drawn up in time for this afternoon’s tee time I expect.
Ehem…taps mic…you do realize that Canada, as part of USMCA, wasn’t hit with tariffs as hard as the rest of the world?
and the core tariffs on you are not touched by this ruling?
One of Trump’s biggest cudgels was to threaten immediate and widespread tarrifs on any nation whose leader pissed him off. As an example, he recently threateened 100% tariffs on all Canadian goods. That toy has been taken away from him.
“Effective immediately, all National Security TARIFFS, Section 232 and existing Section 301 TARIFFS, remain in place, and in full force and effect. Today I will sign an Order to impose a 10% GLOBAL TARIFF, under Section 122, over and above our normal TARIFFS already being charged…” – President Donald J. Trump
Yes, those tariffs remain in place. No one said different.
But a repeat of Liberation Day is now no longer possible. Trump doesn’t have the statutory tools to implement widespread tariffs on a whim. If, for example, he wants to implement new tariffs under Section 232, he will have to spend much of a year trying to convince the Commerce Department that they’re needed for national security. Threats like imposing 100% tariffs on all Canadian products are no longer plausible.
You don’t read what people write, do you ByTheSea?
I read somebody saying “that toy has been taken away from him”, about the man conspicuously wielding toys. (I believe one “wields” toys, certainly toy cudgels.) That could be understood as a bit different from “The tariffs are still in place”. I’m sure that’s an inadvertent misunderstanding.
“There are many other avenues…”
Exactly:
a) Congress can impose them
b) “Treasury Secretary Bissent and other officials said the United States would invoke other legal justifications to retain as many of Trump’s tariffs as possible. Among others, these include a statutory provision that permits tariffs on imported goods that threaten US national security and another that allows retaliatory actions including tariffs against trading partners that the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative determines have used unfair trade practices against American exporters.”
National security is the all purpose excuse that can justify almost any action.
And if that doesn’t work, note that the US Trade Representative is a cabinet level position reporting to Trump. I suspect one phone call from Trump would be enough for the Trade Representative to determine that tariffs are needed.
Bottom line: nothing will really change, but there will be a lot more work for lawyers.
Option a) likely won’t be too useful for the president after this calendar year, as the Democrats may have control of the House and possibly even the Senate.
It will put pressure on the Republicans in Congress. In the meantime, he can put a 150 day rule (15% tariffs) in place, which buys time for either Congress to act or use Section 338 which allows for 50% tariffs or the total exclusion of goods.
Tax time and the primaries are coming — messaging will be interesting.
We’ll see what happens.
Or they might not.
Joe: academic economists have long discussed “non-tariff barriers” that are used to replace tariffs, that do the same thing as tariffs. An example would be to set up a government bureaucracy to scrutinize each importers request to imports a good into the U.S. The bureaucracy could be small and slow moving, with lots of red tape.
That would destroy the US economy, and many other nations’ economies as well.
“That would destroy the US economy, and many other nations’ economies as well.”
Oh, like the tariffs supposedly did? Someone had better tell the US economy that high GDP, low inflation and low unemployment is now a bad thing.
I bet you also believe that the lowest murder rates in *100 years* are also bad, right?
The economy’s not terrible but not great. Inflation is too high and job growth has flattened.
Good catch. The countries hoping the tariffs would go away after the SCOTUS ruling may wind up wishing the case had never been brought.
So will some of our feckless Congress members.
Phew! Finally … Red China will end their tariffs on Canadian canola. Right? QuickDick can go back to being Trump-neutral.
Speaking of National security … for EVERYONE in the West. If you still really care about The West … and not just that elusive 1 Billion man customer base.
I assume this means CUSMA negotiations will be the new focus for both Carney and Trump. Carney can use it to continue with his TDS to foment US hatred and fear to get votes. Trump can use CUSMA to achieve his tariff and reshoring goals that were just taken away by the SCOTUS.
A good ruling. Given that the power to tax constitutionally lies with the House of Representatives, the president was never supposed to be gifted with the power to assess any tariffs on any country and any goods for any reason at any time. It seemed like a clear abuse of the IEEP Act.
It’s a major blow to the centerpiece of Trump’s economic policy no matter what he does going forward. This is going to cost him a lot of credibility.
What makes you think he cares about credibility at this point?
The markets hate more than anything instability and uncertainty, and Wall Street exerts a lot of influence over Congress. And this just added a lot of instability and uncertainty into the markets.
I said it a few days ago, but it bears repeating: watch the dollar.
This SCOTUS decision greatly improves market stability. Trump’s Liberation Day shook the markets to the core, which may be why Trump backtracked on much of it in the months following. A president who threatens tariffs everytime he’s annoyed at some national leader is not a steadying influence.
Tariffs are on! Tariffs are off! No, wait, there’s still tariffs as per my President’s press conference! Will Congress pass tariffs? Will the President use other measures?
Does that sound like stability to you?
This is not difficult.
1. Tariffs implemented under the IEEPA — Trump’s favourite tool last year — are off.
2. Tariffs implemented under other statutes are still on.
For Canada, the difference is modest. For other countries, it’s significant.
This impairs Trump’s ability to threaten widespread tariffs against Canada everytime he gets his gitch in a knot. That might make him a little more reasonable when CUSMA is reviewed in July.
Talking of abuse, it was a clear abuse by the Biden administration to do almost everything they did.
So … you’ve not been disabused of the myth that “tariffs are taxes”. I know my own personal finances and taxes … intimately … and tariffs are no taxes on my personal finances whatsoever. Doesn’t even register a blip on the screen. Every bit of cheap ChiCom shit on Amazon … is still cheap ChiCom shit on Amazon … from the smallest to the largest products. OTOH … Gavin Newsom and the entire supermajority leftist Legislature here in CA have made a giant dent in my taxes, tolls, and fees, including my Professional license I just had to renew at the cost of $400 semiannually.
Section 8, Clause 1 of the US constitution reads “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises”.
Wake me up when you become a Supreme Court Justice … or even get considered for a Judgeship … let alone on anyone’s short list.
So you admit that the power to levy tariffs constitutionally lies with congress. Good to know.
Do you also admit that the Supreme Court works by majority rule, or does Justice Thomas override the majority?
Since reading comprehension must not be your strong point …
“Because the Constitution assigns Congress many powers that do not implicate the nondelegation doctrine, Congress may delegate the exercise of many powers to the President.”
“Congress has done so repeatedly since the founding, WITH THIS COURT’S BLESSING.”
Speaking of Congressional powers … the very last WAR approved BY CONGRESS was Bush’s Iraq War. How’d that turn out? Yet every president … esp. Obama … launched all manner of unjust, secretive, and some not so secretive WARS in Kosovo, Libya, and Syria to mention a few.
I can’t WAIT for the Supreme Court to rule that Trump can’t flatten Iran’s ability to make Islamic Terrorist war against Israel and all the modern, Western, Satan’s.
Trump is correct. The SCOTUS is anti-American and anti-constitutional.
Yes … majority rules. Just as it did in the OJ case. We are experiencing not only Jury nullification … but Supreme Court nullification. Sad.
And we will have to endure The Federal Reserve nullification… at least until May.
Killer has been a clever boy by reading up on our Constitution enough to know about Sec. 8, Clause 1.
What he has failed to do is to read up on other things which affect trade laws outside of this that are also constitutional, or even the ruling just handed down from SCOTUS, which was very narrow. (and he can even bring up IEEPA, just against specific countries)
I will admit that the SCOTUS ruling does complicate things tremendously, but it isn’t the slam dunk many seem to think it is.
First, the power of levying tariffs lies with congress. This is clear.
Second, congress may delegate some of that authority to the president, but it has always been limited and with oversight, which is why such delegation has often been found legal. Trump’s levying of tariffs under IEEPA was not limited and did not have oversight.
The reason you think the majority of the SCOTUS is wrong here is because they went against your hero Donald Trump. And the reason you think Thomas is dropping truth bombs is because he sided with your hero Donald Trump.
Yes … the world is filled with differing opinions … thank you for your oh so helpful reminder. It’s not accidental that Supreme Court rulings are called “opinions” …
I have never ever worried about being on the minority side of public or SCOTUS opinion. Tyranny of the majority doesn’t make the mob “right”. And no, I don’t treat Trump as an inerrant god or something… but I DO agree with every motivation behind his use of tariffs as a means of economic Justice. No, America cannot compete with countries who have zero environmental regulation, zero trade UNIONS, zero worker protections, and defacto slave labor … not to mention devalued currencies.
It will also hamstring Demoncrap administrations. Always a silver lining.
Agreed.
Hahahahaha ha ha ha ha …
Yeah, sure … Democrat Admin’s. EVER did ANYTHING about US Trade Deficits or loss of American manufacturing to Communist China.
Speaking of RED herrings.
Remember when Republicans were free traders and Democrats were protectionist? Good times.
Remember when “free trade” was practiced on a level playing field? Oh well … you ARE Canadian … and have a habit of putting your finger on the stone.
This fiction that the US always plays fair and other nations take advantage of them is hilarious. The US is as dirty as anyone. The history of US tariffs on Canadian lumber goes back decades, and is a blatantly political exercise in putting money in the pockets of US mill owners at the expense of everyone else, Americans most of all.
Thank you for bringing up the issue of the Republicans pet cow named “free trade”…or, I should say, modern Republicans (the older ones didn’t have an issue with tariffs for the same reason the President doesn’t).
The ‘free trade” that has been engaged by Republicans was hardly free and has led to the de-industrialization of my country, and all the attendant ills that came about. They were every bit as guilty of the weakening of my country as the Democrats.
Jane … just for reference … I live here in the heart of high tech America. EVERYONE sits at a computer screen and collects huge paychecks. It’s in this setting that I agree America NEEDS to restore our blue collar manufacturing base. Making unreal things will never replace the need for REAL things … at least not before we all become “evolved” into protoplasm in a jar. The cost of quality remodeling here in the SF Bay Area averages about $650.00/sq.ft. Yeah … the demand for REAL things exceeds the number of workers who can deliver it.
Exporting virtually 100% of many manufacturing sectors is suicide. Literally, in the case of pharmaceuticals. Trump isn’t throwing grenades … but he IS defibrillating the US manufacturing base. He’s a builder … and he knows what it takes. As compared to those who live their lives in a virtual world.
Yep Stevie … 1971 … the greatest, most diverse musical year in human history. Oh wait … some troll here accuses me of gross generalizations … ha ha ha ha ah ha … as if that’s not a thing practiced by one and all.
Permit me to add that Trump has harpooned the Great White whale of the entrenched Deep State that has been laying waste to the boats of so many Americans in our heartland … and the SCOTUS has just decided to take America on one wild Nantucket Sleigh Ride …
Yep Stevie … 1971 speaking of diversity … a brilliant tune and lp of The Scottish psychedelic prog. band. Hey this is better listening that to hear KM’s grating voice in my ears.
This is a bonus for Carney, the do nothing guy, with SCOTUS doing his talking for him, not mentioning this will harden the US trade negotiators’ position in CUSMA talks and many other areas, but he will beat his chest on this one, along with the industrial strategy to nowhere Liberal party. Definitely a setback for Trump, but no big deal.
Canada still needs US more than the US needs Canada. All the SCOTUS decisions in the world won’t change that. Nor will all the third world population imported to Canada make any difference.
With NDP and Bloc voters effectively checking their brains in at the polling booths these days, Carney could probably claim that he was a major influence on the Supreme Court and enough of those voters would believe him to hand him a majority.
It’s all an illusion and part of Trump’s bargaining technique. Keep them confused. He’s good at it and he fakes them out every time. If you know what he really wants, it’s not hard to see what he’s going to do.
Keep your eye on the puck . And don’t skate where the puck is. Skate where the puck is going to be.
He’s had four years in the wilderness to plan this and it’s going down like dominoes. The first time around he was surrounded by disloyal people, but this time he has a cadre of loyal and very capable people.
In spite of all the whining and crying and gnashing of teeth, anybody who actually looks deeply can see that. Canada has probably the best deal of any country in the world at present, with very low tariffs on most items, but attention is focused on a few industries.
These are significant industries, but they are industries that the United States needs to have within secure borders, and it’s not something that’s subject to negotiation.
Canada used to be regarded as a safe and reliable partner, but in recent years has become has become far less responsible and truetworthy. We’re spoiled children and Carney’s Davos speech demonstrated that clearly as is his adolescent snuggling up to the Dragon.
A small population of. Canadians are sitting on one of the largest and most attractive land masses, with a small population and virtually no defense other than that provided by our southern neighbors. And we don’t seem to see that.
The populations that were on the continent for many centuries or even millennia were joined by refugees from Europe and built up a country. But at this point, with no enemy, Canada is fixated on the descendants of the current inhabitants at time of European migration, not acknowledged the fact that these stone-age largely illiterate people would have been overrun and obliterated by far less understanding and supportive people if Canada had not been built and defended by all our forefathers in a common effort.
Well … now that Trump will no longer be able to repatriate American manufacturing … I guess all those unemployed folks in Detroit will just have to … learn how to code … again.
Excuse me if I’m skeptical that this ruling is all part of Trump’s plan.
Excuse me when we watch Trump completely land on his feet … and if anything … the tariffs get even MORE stringent. The trade deals get even MORE US-centric.
Trump’s admirers claim he’s playing hyperdimensional chess, insisting even his setbacks are wins. The rest of the world sees a child with a grenade.
See: US Stock Market since April. 1, 2025 aka Trump Tariff Day (which SHOULD become a US holiday).
It takes a special kind of childishness to brand EVERYTHING Trump is doing as grenade throwing. The only grenade Trump has thrown is the ‘discombobulater’ tossed in Venezuela in his precise, surgical, removal of Maduro … not to mention the surgical destruction of Iran’s nuclear program.
Calling Trump’s actions grenade-throwing is like calling my orthopedic surgeon who just replaced my hip … a butcher. When I was up and walking on the day of the surgery … and was free-walking within a week. Trump’s precision surgeries have got America galloping … which I understand makes many throughout the world very angry. Not to mention almost half of America who’ve become dependent on FREE STUFF.
“The rest of the world sees a child with a grenade.”
Wanna know what we see you as?
No, it wasn’t part of the plan, but when making plans it’s always good to have something to fall back upon.
The lack of decision on any litigation of tariff losses is going to be a real headache — that money has effectively been taken out of circulation for years.
Au contraire. He’ll take credit for it and that’ll be his campaign.
Let’s hope he does!
He’ll beat Pee-pee to the punch again. 🙂
And if Pierre was smart, he’d let that happen (perhaps shove an apple in his mouth when he gets the urge to), but…
Hate to be a boner killer for our leftist pals but there’s a whole rolling Snap-On tool chest of options available to Trump.
The beatings shall continue.
As you were.
All of which are more legally stable than what he used, and the administration has had a while to work on it while SCOTUS sat on this.
Will this change anything? No.
Will the mid-terms change anything? Maybe. But not so much.
Will the next election change anything? Depends which party gets in. As Ms. Rice said … “we won’t forget”.
Hmmm
Tariffs or no tariffs let’s go back to the elephant in the room.
Canada can transport goods to the US cheaper than it can to any other country, that works both ways.
The US market is ten times larger and far more valuable than the Canadian market.
They don’t need our manufacturing but they can make use of our raw resources, but they don’t need them.
The paciderm is that they don’t need us but we do need them.
If CUSMA is ended the US will survive we won’t….scratch that, Canada’s manufacturing sectors (aka upper and lower Canada) won’t, but our resource sector (the west) will.
Canada manufactures almost nothing. The US sends a lot more manufactured goods to Canada than it imports from them. Cars are the exception. We export 90% of the cars we produce to the US and import 90% of the cars we use from the US, give or take, ignoring imports. The car industry is integrated meaning we make a few models in Canada but import most model from the US. I think Canada is just going to hold its nose until the stink goes away. Trump craps on England, England tells the Orange Freak to get the eff out of Diego Garcia. Ain’t it fun to pick on your friends.
Joseph, your points remain valid, but the US market is 14 times larger due their growth and our stagnation/shrinkage. Per Capita, even worse. Their population is 9 times larger.
Trump needs to institute a serious sampling and inspection regime against all Canadian cargoes, because Canada does not. Of course, law provides for charging fees to cover the cost of the required inspection.
100% inspection with new technologies will be necessary in many cases.
The 6 votes for are scofflaws, who make it up as they go along. Go see the Judiciary’s Class War by Glenn Reynolds.
These swine hate the US as much as George Soros does.
The text of the IEEPA does not explicitly assign to the president the power to unilaterally impose tariffs. That’s an interpretation the president made. Given that such powers constitutionally lie with Congress, this is not an unreasonable decision.
Remarkably broad-minded of you. For what it’s worth, it strikes me as clearly reasonably, which is why I haven’t been arsed to read it. Obviously I’m not going to read it now, if I saw what was in it I might shit my pants.
“Justice Clarence Thomas dropped straight TRUTH BOMBS in his dissent on the tariffs”
Yesterday … I was mocked for referencing the attempted takedown of Justice Thomas by the outrageously perverted myth of a pubic hair on a can of Coke. Off topic? Maybe … but it will never become irrelevant … because that “high tech lynching” by a crisis actor whom we MUST “believe” … revealed the anti-American hater Democrats for who they are. And set the fraudulent “sexual misconduct” template they used to fabricate the attack on Justice Kavanaugh.
Huh? The same two men who wrote a Constitutionally and Case Law based dissent. Coincidence? Hardly.
My one (rather pertinent) qualm with that was: both Thomas and Kavanaugh were raked over the coals about it and found to be innocent; that it never went to a court of law says something too.
And Anita and Blasey-Ford were both grown women, nor did they have very strong cases anyway (beach friends and rumors of offending hairs nobody saw really don’t hold up).
It is perhaps not fair to parallel Thomas and Kavanaugh’s situations with the Andrew formerly known as Prince — who is accused of far more than just being a skeevy bastard and has stronger evidence against him.
Yes Jane … Andrew appears to like his women on the side as close to underage girls as possible. However … any and every “apparently” underage girl he boinked knows how old she was, when, and where she was “raped”. So … go to the authorities with your testimony and proof of crimes. And Puhleeze do it in a timely manner as you owe it to your sisters to STOP the pedo-rapists! Ooops … too late.
Sorry, I don’t buy ANY excuses these “victims” gave of how “afraid” they were of these powerful men, so they said nothing. Sorry, but that sounds like Gavin Newsom’s wife who claimed that Harvey Weinstein masturbated in her lap or some such nonsense … but she neither said or did anything about it till she claimed some cred. with the metoo hysteria.
Put up, or shut up. Jail the pervs … after FAIR OPEN and TRANSPARENT public trials. Yes! All the formerly 9yo girls need to step up and speak up … and provide PROOF … not some 3rd party email comment to the FBI about untold horrors without a shred of actionable evidence.
The only person who accused Andrew was Virginia Giuffre and she was 17 in three different 16 year old consent jurisdictions. He denies it, she’s dead. He paid a huge settlement but I’m betting King Jug Ears told him to settle but then later abandoned him. Giuffre was not a total innocent as she was abused and worked in the sex industry when she was 14. She could has left Epstein at any time but didn’t.
The treason BS is likely just BS. Andrews trade ambassadorship was a make-work project for royals and the possibility that he possessed any meaningful state secrets is remote.
Huh? CINO Chief Justice Roberts on the wrong side of a decision once again. Thanks George Bush and the Bushy RINO’s. And yeah … Roberts knows something about TAXES … as in Obamakkare isn’t an unconstitutional mandatory healthcare program … it’s a TAX on the American people.
In reality, there isn’t much more to this decision than politics. Yes, carney and the rest of them will be celebrating, but no the tariffs not change. From a strictly Canadian perspective, the important tariffs are on things like steel, and are exceptions to the Canada, US Mexico trade agreement. None of that will change until the agreement expires. ( bear in mind here that the Americans can end the agreement at any time if/when carney signs a trade agreement violating the Nafta2.)
From an American perspective, the politics of this are simply that the Roberts court does not want to be seen as always ruling for the trump position so delivering what looks like a big win for the Democrats here allows them to rule according to the law, and a half dozen other major issues without doing significant damage.
“the politics of this are simply that the Roberts court does not want to be seen as always ruling for the trump position”
True….they can’t let him win every case, it just looks bad. This ruling is just a hiccup to Trump, given all the ways he has to work around it.
There are many other avenues for the Trump administration to impose tariffs.
Sector tariffs are still allowable: Steel, vehicles, wood products etc.
So Trump Trade Negotiators just make a short or long list of specific trade sectors depending on the country in question.
The US stock market didn’t even budge as thsi awas a widely expected decision.
Sure, but they’re far more limited, cumbersome, or time consuming. No more threats like “I’m going to impose 100% tariffs on all Canadian imports.”
Here, I’ll make you a list
Oil
Natural gas
Forestry products
Certain metals, most of which originate from China anyeay
Autos and parts thereof
Should have that drawn up in time for this afternoon’s tee time I expect.
Ehem…taps mic…you do realize that Canada, as part of USMCA, wasn’t hit with tariffs as hard as the rest of the world?
and the core tariffs on you are not touched by this ruling?
One of Trump’s biggest cudgels was to threaten immediate and widespread tarrifs on any nation whose leader pissed him off. As an example, he recently threateened 100% tariffs on all Canadian goods. That toy has been taken away from him.
Ok darling.
We’ll see.
And JUST LIKE THAT, you are wrong, AGAIN!
https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2024919975870202368?s=61
“Effective immediately, all National Security TARIFFS, Section 232 and existing Section 301 TARIFFS, remain in place, and in full force and effect. Today I will sign an Order to impose a 10% GLOBAL TARIFF, under Section 122, over and above our normal TARIFFS already being charged…” – President Donald J. Trump
Yes, those tariffs remain in place. No one said different.
But a repeat of Liberation Day is now no longer possible. Trump doesn’t have the statutory tools to implement widespread tariffs on a whim. If, for example, he wants to implement new tariffs under Section 232, he will have to spend much of a year trying to convince the Commerce Department that they’re needed for national security. Threats like imposing 100% tariffs on all Canadian products are no longer plausible.
You don’t read what people write, do you ByTheSea?
I read somebody saying “that toy has been taken away from him”, about the man conspicuously wielding toys. (I believe one “wields” toys, certainly toy cudgels.) That could be understood as a bit different from “The tariffs are still in place”. I’m sure that’s an inadvertent misunderstanding.
“There are many other avenues…”
Exactly:
a) Congress can impose them
b) “Treasury Secretary Bissent and other officials said the United States would invoke other legal justifications to retain as many of Trump’s tariffs as possible. Among others, these include a statutory provision that permits tariffs on imported goods that threaten US national security and another that allows retaliatory actions including tariffs against trading partners that the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative determines have used unfair trade practices against American exporters.”
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-rejects-trumps-global-tariffs-2026-02-20/
National security is the all purpose excuse that can justify almost any action.
And if that doesn’t work, note that the US Trade Representative is a cabinet level position reporting to Trump. I suspect one phone call from Trump would be enough for the Trade Representative to determine that tariffs are needed.
Bottom line: nothing will really change, but there will be a lot more work for lawyers.
Option a) likely won’t be too useful for the president after this calendar year, as the Democrats may have control of the House and possibly even the Senate.
It will put pressure on the Republicans in Congress. In the meantime, he can put a 150 day rule (15% tariffs) in place, which buys time for either Congress to act or use Section 338 which allows for 50% tariffs or the total exclusion of goods.
Tax time and the primaries are coming — messaging will be interesting.
We’ll see what happens.
Or they might not.
Joe: academic economists have long discussed “non-tariff barriers” that are used to replace tariffs, that do the same thing as tariffs. An example would be to set up a government bureaucracy to scrutinize each importers request to imports a good into the U.S. The bureaucracy could be small and slow moving, with lots of red tape.
That would destroy the US economy, and many other nations’ economies as well.
“That would destroy the US economy, and many other nations’ economies as well.”
Oh, like the tariffs supposedly did? Someone had better tell the US economy that high GDP, low inflation and low unemployment is now a bad thing.
I bet you also believe that the lowest murder rates in *100 years* are also bad, right?
The economy’s not terrible but not great. Inflation is too high and job growth has flattened.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/core-pce-price-index-mom
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/non-farm-payrolls
Speaking of Plan B, here Howard Lutnick outlines the bigger picture: https://x.com/MJTruthUltra/status/2024877166320599469?s=20
Good catch. The countries hoping the tariffs would go away after the SCOTUS ruling may wind up wishing the case had never been brought.
So will some of our feckless Congress members.
Phew! Finally … Red China will end their tariffs on Canadian canola. Right? QuickDick can go back to being Trump-neutral.
Speaking of National security … for EVERYONE in the West. If you still really care about The West … and not just that elusive 1 Billion man customer base.
I assume this means CUSMA negotiations will be the new focus for both Carney and Trump. Carney can use it to continue with his TDS to foment US hatred and fear to get votes. Trump can use CUSMA to achieve his tariff and reshoring goals that were just taken away by the SCOTUS.
A good ruling. Given that the power to tax constitutionally lies with the House of Representatives, the president was never supposed to be gifted with the power to assess any tariffs on any country and any goods for any reason at any time. It seemed like a clear abuse of the IEEP Act.
It’s a major blow to the centerpiece of Trump’s economic policy no matter what he does going forward. This is going to cost him a lot of credibility.
What makes you think he cares about credibility at this point?
The markets hate more than anything instability and uncertainty, and Wall Street exerts a lot of influence over Congress. And this just added a lot of instability and uncertainty into the markets.
I said it a few days ago, but it bears repeating: watch the dollar.
This SCOTUS decision greatly improves market stability. Trump’s Liberation Day shook the markets to the core, which may be why Trump backtracked on much of it in the months following. A president who threatens tariffs everytime he’s annoyed at some national leader is not a steadying influence.
Tariffs are on! Tariffs are off! No, wait, there’s still tariffs as per my President’s press conference! Will Congress pass tariffs? Will the President use other measures?
Does that sound like stability to you?
This is not difficult.
1. Tariffs implemented under the IEEPA — Trump’s favourite tool last year — are off.
2. Tariffs implemented under other statutes are still on.
For Canada, the difference is modest. For other countries, it’s significant.
This impairs Trump’s ability to threaten widespread tariffs against Canada everytime he gets his gitch in a knot. That might make him a little more reasonable when CUSMA is reviewed in July.
Talking of abuse, it was a clear abuse by the Biden administration to do almost everything they did.
So … you’ve not been disabused of the myth that “tariffs are taxes”. I know my own personal finances and taxes … intimately … and tariffs are no taxes on my personal finances whatsoever. Doesn’t even register a blip on the screen. Every bit of cheap ChiCom shit on Amazon … is still cheap ChiCom shit on Amazon … from the smallest to the largest products. OTOH … Gavin Newsom and the entire supermajority leftist Legislature here in CA have made a giant dent in my taxes, tolls, and fees, including my Professional license I just had to renew at the cost of $400 semiannually.
Section 8, Clause 1 of the US constitution reads “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises”.
Wake me up when you become a Supreme Court Justice … or even get considered for a Judgeship … let alone on anyone’s short list.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2024871850556133698
So you admit that the power to levy tariffs constitutionally lies with congress. Good to know.
Do you also admit that the Supreme Court works by majority rule, or does Justice Thomas override the majority?
Since reading comprehension must not be your strong point …
“Because the Constitution assigns Congress many powers that do not implicate the nondelegation doctrine, Congress may delegate the exercise of many powers to the President.”
“Congress has done so repeatedly since the founding, WITH THIS COURT’S BLESSING.”
Speaking of Congressional powers … the very last WAR approved BY CONGRESS was Bush’s Iraq War. How’d that turn out? Yet every president … esp. Obama … launched all manner of unjust, secretive, and some not so secretive WARS in Kosovo, Libya, and Syria to mention a few.
I can’t WAIT for the Supreme Court to rule that Trump can’t flatten Iran’s ability to make Islamic Terrorist war against Israel and all the modern, Western, Satan’s.
Trump is correct. The SCOTUS is anti-American and anti-constitutional.
Yes … majority rules. Just as it did in the OJ case. We are experiencing not only Jury nullification … but Supreme Court nullification. Sad.
And we will have to endure The Federal Reserve nullification… at least until May.
Killer has been a clever boy by reading up on our Constitution enough to know about Sec. 8, Clause 1.
What he has failed to do is to read up on other things which affect trade laws outside of this that are also constitutional, or even the ruling just handed down from SCOTUS, which was very narrow. (and he can even bring up IEEPA, just against specific countries)
I will admit that the SCOTUS ruling does complicate things tremendously, but it isn’t the slam dunk many seem to think it is.
First, the power of levying tariffs lies with congress. This is clear.
Second, congress may delegate some of that authority to the president, but it has always been limited and with oversight, which is why such delegation has often been found legal. Trump’s levying of tariffs under IEEPA was not limited and did not have oversight.
The reason you think the majority of the SCOTUS is wrong here is because they went against your hero Donald Trump. And the reason you think Thomas is dropping truth bombs is because he sided with your hero Donald Trump.
Yes … the world is filled with differing opinions … thank you for your oh so helpful reminder. It’s not accidental that Supreme Court rulings are called “opinions” …
I have never ever worried about being on the minority side of public or SCOTUS opinion. Tyranny of the majority doesn’t make the mob “right”. And no, I don’t treat Trump as an inerrant god or something… but I DO agree with every motivation behind his use of tariffs as a means of economic Justice. No, America cannot compete with countries who have zero environmental regulation, zero trade UNIONS, zero worker protections, and defacto slave labor … not to mention devalued currencies.
It will also hamstring Demoncrap administrations. Always a silver lining.
Agreed.
Hahahahaha ha ha ha ha …
Yeah, sure … Democrat Admin’s. EVER did ANYTHING about US Trade Deficits or loss of American manufacturing to Communist China.
Speaking of RED herrings.
Remember when Republicans were free traders and Democrats were protectionist? Good times.
Remember when “free trade” was practiced on a level playing field? Oh well … you ARE Canadian … and have a habit of putting your finger on the stone.
This fiction that the US always plays fair and other nations take advantage of them is hilarious. The US is as dirty as anyone. The history of US tariffs on Canadian lumber goes back decades, and is a blatantly political exercise in putting money in the pockets of US mill owners at the expense of everyone else, Americans most of all.
Thank you for bringing up the issue of the Republicans pet cow named “free trade”…or, I should say, modern Republicans (the older ones didn’t have an issue with tariffs for the same reason the President doesn’t).
The ‘free trade” that has been engaged by Republicans was hardly free and has led to the de-industrialization of my country, and all the attendant ills that came about. They were every bit as guilty of the weakening of my country as the Democrats.
Jane … just for reference … I live here in the heart of high tech America. EVERYONE sits at a computer screen and collects huge paychecks. It’s in this setting that I agree America NEEDS to restore our blue collar manufacturing base. Making unreal things will never replace the need for REAL things … at least not before we all become “evolved” into protoplasm in a jar. The cost of quality remodeling here in the SF Bay Area averages about $650.00/sq.ft. Yeah … the demand for REAL things exceeds the number of workers who can deliver it.
Exporting virtually 100% of many manufacturing sectors is suicide. Literally, in the case of pharmaceuticals. Trump isn’t throwing grenades … but he IS defibrillating the US manufacturing base. He’s a builder … and he knows what it takes. As compared to those who live their lives in a virtual world.
Speaking of Free Trade stuff …
https://youtu.be/kiuxsMm4XnA?si=HGa0TGeXhYWYjTFV
Yep Stevie … 1971 … the greatest, most diverse musical year in human history. Oh wait … some troll here accuses me of gross generalizations … ha ha ha ha ah ha … as if that’s not a thing practiced by one and all.
Permit me to add that Trump has harpooned the Great White whale of the entrenched Deep State that has been laying waste to the boats of so many Americans in our heartland … and the SCOTUS has just decided to take America on one wild Nantucket Sleigh Ride …
https://youtu.be/BmgLRzHRjgs?si=7EEUijnw2Zo9sxUW
Yep Stevie … 1971. I’m gonna pour a single malt tonight and turn this one up to 11
Alright … one more. As Trump is battling the Octopus of the Deep State and UniParty … denizens of the deep dark murky governance
https://youtu.be/PuYjMWT0Mq4?si=n0fvYEFKB2ZraR1P
Yep Stevie … 1971 speaking of diversity … a brilliant tune and lp of The Scottish psychedelic prog. band. Hey this is better listening that to hear KM’s grating voice in my ears.
This is a bonus for Carney, the do nothing guy, with SCOTUS doing his talking for him, not mentioning this will harden the US trade negotiators’ position in CUSMA talks and many other areas, but he will beat his chest on this one, along with the industrial strategy to nowhere Liberal party. Definitely a setback for Trump, but no big deal.
Canada still needs US more than the US needs Canada. All the SCOTUS decisions in the world won’t change that. Nor will all the third world population imported to Canada make any difference.
With NDP and Bloc voters effectively checking their brains in at the polling booths these days, Carney could probably claim that he was a major influence on the Supreme Court and enough of those voters would believe him to hand him a majority.
It’s all an illusion and part of Trump’s bargaining technique. Keep them confused. He’s good at it and he fakes them out every time. If you know what he really wants, it’s not hard to see what he’s going to do.
Keep your eye on the puck . And don’t skate where the puck is. Skate where the puck is going to be.
He’s had four years in the wilderness to plan this and it’s going down like dominoes. The first time around he was surrounded by disloyal people, but this time he has a cadre of loyal and very capable people.
In spite of all the whining and crying and gnashing of teeth, anybody who actually looks deeply can see that. Canada has probably the best deal of any country in the world at present, with very low tariffs on most items, but attention is focused on a few industries.
These are significant industries, but they are industries that the United States needs to have within secure borders, and it’s not something that’s subject to negotiation.
Canada used to be regarded as a safe and reliable partner, but in recent years has become has become far less responsible and truetworthy. We’re spoiled children and Carney’s Davos speech demonstrated that clearly as is his adolescent snuggling up to the Dragon.
A small population of. Canadians are sitting on one of the largest and most attractive land masses, with a small population and virtually no defense other than that provided by our southern neighbors. And we don’t seem to see that.
The populations that were on the continent for many centuries or even millennia were joined by refugees from Europe and built up a country. But at this point, with no enemy, Canada is fixated on the descendants of the current inhabitants at time of European migration, not acknowledged the fact that these stone-age largely illiterate people would have been overrun and obliterated by far less understanding and supportive people if Canada had not been built and defended by all our forefathers in a common effort.
Well … now that Trump will no longer be able to repatriate American manufacturing … I guess all those unemployed folks in Detroit will just have to … learn how to code … again.
Excuse me if I’m skeptical that this ruling is all part of Trump’s plan.
Excuse me when we watch Trump completely land on his feet … and if anything … the tariffs get even MORE stringent. The trade deals get even MORE US-centric.
Trump’s admirers claim he’s playing hyperdimensional chess, insisting even his setbacks are wins. The rest of the world sees a child with a grenade.
See: US Stock Market since April. 1, 2025 aka Trump Tariff Day (which SHOULD become a US holiday).
It takes a special kind of childishness to brand EVERYTHING Trump is doing as grenade throwing. The only grenade Trump has thrown is the ‘discombobulater’ tossed in Venezuela in his precise, surgical, removal of Maduro … not to mention the surgical destruction of Iran’s nuclear program.
Calling Trump’s actions grenade-throwing is like calling my orthopedic surgeon who just replaced my hip … a butcher. When I was up and walking on the day of the surgery … and was free-walking within a week. Trump’s precision surgeries have got America galloping … which I understand makes many throughout the world very angry. Not to mention almost half of America who’ve become dependent on FREE STUFF.
“The rest of the world sees a child with a grenade.”
Wanna know what we see you as?
No, it wasn’t part of the plan, but when making plans it’s always good to have something to fall back upon.
The lack of decision on any litigation of tariff losses is going to be a real headache — that money has effectively been taken out of circulation for years.
Au contraire. He’ll take credit for it and that’ll be his campaign.
Let’s hope he does!
He’ll beat Pee-pee to the punch again. 🙂
And if Pierre was smart, he’d let that happen (perhaps shove an apple in his mouth when he gets the urge to), but…
Hate to be a boner killer for our leftist pals but there’s a whole rolling Snap-On tool chest of options available to Trump.
The beatings shall continue.
As you were.
All of which are more legally stable than what he used, and the administration has had a while to work on it while SCOTUS sat on this.
Will this change anything? No.
Will the mid-terms change anything? Maybe. But not so much.
Will the next election change anything? Depends which party gets in. As Ms. Rice said … “we won’t forget”.
Hmmm
Tariffs or no tariffs let’s go back to the elephant in the room.
Canada can transport goods to the US cheaper than it can to any other country, that works both ways.
The US market is ten times larger and far more valuable than the Canadian market.
They don’t need our manufacturing but they can make use of our raw resources, but they don’t need them.
The paciderm is that they don’t need us but we do need them.
If CUSMA is ended the US will survive we won’t….scratch that, Canada’s manufacturing sectors (aka upper and lower Canada) won’t, but our resource sector (the west) will.
Canada manufactures almost nothing. The US sends a lot more manufactured goods to Canada than it imports from them. Cars are the exception. We export 90% of the cars we produce to the US and import 90% of the cars we use from the US, give or take, ignoring imports. The car industry is integrated meaning we make a few models in Canada but import most model from the US. I think Canada is just going to hold its nose until the stink goes away. Trump craps on England, England tells the Orange Freak to get the eff out of Diego Garcia. Ain’t it fun to pick on your friends.
Joseph, your points remain valid, but the US market is 14 times larger due their growth and our stagnation/shrinkage. Per Capita, even worse. Their population is 9 times larger.
Trump needs to institute a serious sampling and inspection regime against all Canadian cargoes, because Canada does not. Of course, law provides for charging fees to cover the cost of the required inspection.
100% inspection with new technologies will be necessary in many cases.
The 6 votes for are scofflaws, who make it up as they go along. Go see the Judiciary’s Class War by Glenn Reynolds.
These swine hate the US as much as George Soros does.
The text of the IEEPA does not explicitly assign to the president the power to unilaterally impose tariffs. That’s an interpretation the president made. Given that such powers constitutionally lie with Congress, this is not an unreasonable decision.
Remarkably broad-minded of you. For what it’s worth, it strikes me as clearly reasonably, which is why I haven’t been arsed to read it. Obviously I’m not going to read it now, if I saw what was in it I might shit my pants.
“Justice Clarence Thomas dropped straight TRUTH BOMBS in his dissent on the tariffs”
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2024871850556133698
Yesterday … I was mocked for referencing the attempted takedown of Justice Thomas by the outrageously perverted myth of a pubic hair on a can of Coke. Off topic? Maybe … but it will never become irrelevant … because that “high tech lynching” by a crisis actor whom we MUST “believe” … revealed the anti-American hater Democrats for who they are. And set the fraudulent “sexual misconduct” template they used to fabricate the attack on Justice Kavanaugh.
Huh? The same two men who wrote a Constitutionally and Case Law based dissent. Coincidence? Hardly.
My one (rather pertinent) qualm with that was: both Thomas and Kavanaugh were raked over the coals about it and found to be innocent; that it never went to a court of law says something too.
And Anita and Blasey-Ford were both grown women, nor did they have very strong cases anyway (beach friends and rumors of offending hairs nobody saw really don’t hold up).
It is perhaps not fair to parallel Thomas and Kavanaugh’s situations with the Andrew formerly known as Prince — who is accused of far more than just being a skeevy bastard and has stronger evidence against him.
Yes Jane … Andrew appears to like his women on the side as close to underage girls as possible. However … any and every “apparently” underage girl he boinked knows how old she was, when, and where she was “raped”. So … go to the authorities with your testimony and proof of crimes. And Puhleeze do it in a timely manner as you owe it to your sisters to STOP the pedo-rapists! Ooops … too late.
Sorry, I don’t buy ANY excuses these “victims” gave of how “afraid” they were of these powerful men, so they said nothing. Sorry, but that sounds like Gavin Newsom’s wife who claimed that Harvey Weinstein masturbated in her lap or some such nonsense … but she neither said or did anything about it till she claimed some cred. with the metoo hysteria.
Put up, or shut up. Jail the pervs … after FAIR OPEN and TRANSPARENT public trials. Yes! All the formerly 9yo girls need to step up and speak up … and provide PROOF … not some 3rd party email comment to the FBI about untold horrors without a shred of actionable evidence.
The only person who accused Andrew was Virginia Giuffre and she was 17 in three different 16 year old consent jurisdictions. He denies it, she’s dead. He paid a huge settlement but I’m betting King Jug Ears told him to settle but then later abandoned him. Giuffre was not a total innocent as she was abused and worked in the sex industry when she was 14. She could has left Epstein at any time but didn’t.
The treason BS is likely just BS. Andrews trade ambassadorship was a make-work project for royals and the possibility that he possessed any meaningful state secrets is remote.
Huh? CINO Chief Justice Roberts on the wrong side of a decision once again. Thanks George Bush and the Bushy RINO’s. And yeah … Roberts knows something about TAXES … as in Obamakkare isn’t an unconstitutional mandatory healthcare program … it’s a TAX on the American people.
In reality, there isn’t much more to this decision than politics. Yes, carney and the rest of them will be celebrating, but no the tariffs not change. From a strictly Canadian perspective, the important tariffs are on things like steel, and are exceptions to the Canada, US Mexico trade agreement. None of that will change until the agreement expires. ( bear in mind here that the Americans can end the agreement at any time if/when carney signs a trade agreement violating the Nafta2.)
From an American perspective, the politics of this are simply that the Roberts court does not want to be seen as always ruling for the trump position so delivering what looks like a big win for the Democrats here allows them to rule according to the law, and a half dozen other major issues without doing significant damage.
“the politics of this are simply that the Roberts court does not want to be seen as always ruling for the trump position”
True….they can’t let him win every case, it just looks bad. This ruling is just a hiccup to Trump, given all the ways he has to work around it.