Nature: Association of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination status with risk of influenza-like illness and loss of workdays in healthcare workers
Conclusions
Based on our data, we conclude that SARS-CoV-2 booster vaccination does not contribute to the protection of the healthcare workforce in a post-pandemic setting. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination may even temporarily increase the likelihood of symptomatic infection and workday loss.
A study from Switzerland
From the near bottom 2nd last paragraph of this Swiss paper…
“An important strength of our study is the availability of detailed information on weekly symptoms from a cohort with a high response and low attrition rate. Also, the relatively large group of unvaccinated individuals provides unique opportunities and presents a major strength. Vaccination status is furthermore clearly defined for each individual and although being self-reported, previous validation has shown their reliability”
As the Canadian health care pros decided at some early point in the game to stop counting who exactly was vaxed and who was not, this paper would be impossible to report in Canada.
They washed out the data they’d need…
That’s Canada. Still hating on me and my family’s “control group” and no clue as to why their results are substandard. Death rates in AB are elevated from prior to the Chinese flu. If only someone could say with certainty here that it’s only elevated in the 80 percentile group, and not so much in the 20% group.
Plenty of limitations in this study. The biggest is that it’s not controlled, randomized, and double-blind, but rather a cohort study, meaning its purely observational. This leaves the door open to confounding factors. As an example, those who older, or whose health was already compromized, may have been more prone to get the vaccine. Another weakness is the reliance on self reporting of ailments. People are not always accurate, for a host of reasons. And I notice that those who didn’t report faithfully were dropped from the analysis, again another source of possible bias.
So the proper attitude here “Interesting, but we need a better designed study that overcomes some of these limitations.”
COVID vaccines are crap. They are not safe or effective…in fact, they are downright dangerous.
Ha!
Nature magazine and their editorial board are now Conspiracy Theorists.
You are all alone on your rock strewn, barren island.
I said nothing about conspiracies, so I have no idea what you’re going on about.
I’m your witness here, ratboy. You said nothing about conspiracies, nor indeed theories, nor indeed did the twain meet. And when you say you have no idea what he’s on about, I find that convincingly plausible. I’m backing you up on this one.
Funny how you can see the issues here, but still support the vaccines whose 2020 trials were riddled with questionable handling of data and cut corners, most notably the fact they were billed as combined phase 1,2 and 3 trials when the standards for clinical trials make doing that impossible.
Thank you for that whataboutism.
No manufacturer combined phases 1, 2, and 3 into a single phase. Some combined phases 1 and 2, or 2 and 3. This was done to speed up the trials (it wasn’t called “Operation Warp Speed” for nothing), but all phases WERE performed.
You make it sound like this was breaking the rules, but the FDA allows this when certain criteria are met. There’s no reason to think this compromized the trials.
Further, there were countless trials done after the release of the vaccines by independent institutions around the world. Testing didn’t end when the vaccines were released.
You can’t actually combine ANY phases of the clinical trial process, because the subsequent phase cannot be designed until you know the results from the previous phase. Each phase performs a different function.
These did not include a phase 2, as phase 2 is where people are given varying doses to see which dose has the most effect with the best safety profile. I have read Pfizer’s report and there were no varying doses in the 2020 trial. Only then would you do a phase 3.
The trials after the original 2020 trial only tested to see if there was the same antibody response as the original trial. Efficacy was assumed based on the 2020 results.
Your ignorance of the facts is not a “whataboutism”.
First, don’t call people ignorant.
Second, the FDA allows drug companies to combine the phases of drug trials regularly. It’s particularly common in oncology (cancer treatment), where there’s often an urgent need for new treatments.
In short, this was not some unprecedented short-circuiting of the process. It’s quite common.
The vast majority of medical experts, and the gov’t entities controlling almost all aspects of news reportage in this fiasco, could be set aside as not having any double blind tests in which to cite.
That doesn’t leave too many studies to make the grade.
A better designed study? Next time there’s a “global pandemic” … let’s keep El Salvador (for example) closed off, so we have somewhere to compare to.
Are any of the global political leaders “dying suddenly”? maybe that’s the placebo group right there! lol…
Nobody “had to” take the jab, unless you wanted to get on an airplane, an interprovincial bus, or train. Or far too often to keep your job, or as the Premier of New Brunswick mentioned to the media, to be able to purchase groceries in NB.
That test group is microscopic, “better designed” isn’t going to do it.
Unfortunately…
The size of the study is part of the design. A much larger study would allow the researchers to analyze the data by, for example, age bracket.
Where would anyone involved in the pandemic hysteria find this group?
I doubt there’s a group on the planet for a study that is sufficiently untainted to convince all sides.
Next pandemic, (and there will be one) there won’t be a control group either.
You’re just wrong, clinging to eroding paper straws.
You continue to beclown yourself on a destroyed narrative.
Still crying over your crushed Pfizer Pfinvestments?
ByTheSea … It’s impossible to know who or what specifically you’re responding to.
You can assume an age bracket based on the fact that the study was on active healthcare workers (which suggests 25 to 60). Also, there is a study by the Cleveland Clinic back in 2022 that shows remarkably similar results done on a test group of 51,000. That’s not microscopic. The study concluded that “COVID-19 boosters may not offer clear short-term benefits in a post-pandemic setting, and may even increase short-term illness risk.” It further warned that routinely boosting “young to middle-aged, healthy individuals” may not meet the basic risk-benefit threshold.
But, I get it. You are a proponent of the “Vaccine” and nothing short of divine intervention has a chance of changing your mind. And even then you’d need the Almighty to show his work.
20 to 60 is one hell of a big age bracket. The above study may have simply hit on the fact that people in their twenties and thirties both get fewer vaccination shots and are more resistant to seasonal colds and flus.
Is this the Cleveland Clinic paper you’re referring to? Cause it doesn’t say what you claim:
https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292?login=false
But you’re right about one thing. If God Almighty offered an opinion on this, I would ask to see his evidence.
Those who did not survive the jabs were not available for comment.
like so many previous brushes with disaster, l had a ministroke 2 yrs after mRNA jab, coerced in order to continue free tuition at the local uni-burst-itty. after an MRI december l now have an all clear.
lots of cause now to send them a blistering demand what statement coming out of the ‘experts’ directed towards the 1000s of ‘jabees’ in their midst.
maybe they killed some of them. any stats with this ‘group’?
Are you blaming the COVID vaccine for your stroke? If so, why?
Because it probably caused it….just as it did two weeks after my mother in law got her second “life saving” booster. Stroke and death within days. The UK vaccine surveillance reports also show enormous increases in COVID deaths immediately after the introduction of the second booster. They are crap. Please continue to get YOUR boosters though.
You have no way of knowing that. You may feel strongly that you know, you may even want to badly believe it, but you have no way of knowing it.
This is why controlled scientific studies done. Our hunches aren’t worth a damn.
Neither is your opinion.
Yeah, it probably did. No question that it killed my mother in law. Data tells the story….YOUR hunches aren’t worth a damn. But by all means, please do get as many COVID boosters as you want.
Well, Quasimodo’s hunches have proven pretty damn valuable!
Joey B: I don’t go with hunches. I go with the preponderance of scientific evidence. That’s why I constantly cited studies in my, um, debates here.
And no, you don’t know that it killed your mother in law. When a vaccine is administered to hundreds of millions of people, some of those will suffer medical emergencies in the natural course of things. Only scientific studies can determine if vaccines actually increased the chances of such emergencies.
Yeah…the COVID “vaccine” killed my mother in law. No question about it. Keep holding out hope though Marmot….and by all means, do get several more boosters. The stuff is absolute crap….which is why a very large number of those who initially got sucked in won’t get any more “boosters”.
I find the data out of the UK and the Japan Medical Association to be very instructive in just how dangerous these “vaccines” really are.
Hunches are worth a damn because without hunches there would not be any motivation to do most studies.
Sure hunches inspire research. But hunches shouldn’t be used to draw solid conclusions from.
Hunches should be used to draw liquid serums from.
the timing.
not a lick of circulatory problems in 70 years.
no family history except my mother who worked herself to a frenzy.
lve been biking it since l rear ended the Taurus 2007 same year l retired.
and there’s an uptick among the jabees.
For a 70 year old to blame a stroke on a vaccine shot they had two years before is preposterous. It defies all rules of clear thinking.
You … are … 70. In the coming years, you can look forward to all sorts of medical conditions that you never had before, and that have nothing to do with vaccines but have everything to do with getting old. Welcome to your senior years.
“SARS-CoV-2 booster vaccination does not contribute to the protection of the healthcare workforce in a post-pandemic setting. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination may even temporarily increase the likelihood of symptomatic infection and workday loss.”
Well strike me dead and call me X.S.!!!!
Heh,just like the hospital locally, all who surrendered to the pressure to get the Government Goo , now are off work more often and for longer periods than those who were laid off without EI.
Purely coincidental.
There’s no point talking to the rodent. If the study found against the Jab, the study is no good. If it found for the jab, it’s not to be questioned.
Increased incidence of stroke, TIA, heart issues, general increase in clot-related issues post Jab? Never mind, it isn’t important.
Actually I didn’t reject the paper outright. Their conclusions might possibly be correct. Rather I pointed out some obvious limitations to it that made it difficult to be confident in those conclusions.
But that would require you to read and represent my remarks carefully, which probably isn’t going to happen.
“Increased incidence of stroke, TIA, heart issues, general increase in clot-related issues post Jab? Never mind, it isn’t important.”
Teenage athletes DROPPING DEAD on the sports field from ‘heart issues’ at the rate of one a week?
Nah, that happens all the time…they just never reported on it before, right?…
The idea that young athletes are dropping dead at unprecedented rates is nonsense. There is no evidence for it. Even a cursory search through the literature would tell you this.
There is one bias the paper does not mention.
True that there is a correlation between the recently jabbed and more time off sick..
But those who would voluntarily get jabbed, with booster shots..are they not the natural hypochondriacs of the work force?
We all know one,always moaning about their latest illness and home sick every other week.
Naturally these are Swiss statistics..ain’t going to get any useful information from Canadian Stats..
Dread Covid Theatre has a silver lining,we know now how many of our “helpers” are utterly unnecessary and dangerous to our health.