25% Of Zero Is Still Zero

Thankfully, there are a few adults in the room available to point out that Doug Ford’s plan for a 25% electricity surcharge on exports to the US is plain idiocy.

“..experts here however say Ontario actually generates too much power and there are no firm contracts with US markets so electricity is simply offered up on demand and an extra charge amounts to nothing.  In some cases we’ve offered exports at what we call negative prices… we [are] literally offering to pay people to take the power off our hands…”

30 Replies to “25% Of Zero Is Still Zero”

  1. Fat Doughie must think everyone is a brain-dead moronic sheeple or he is the worst type of one himself.

  2. I wonder if Dougie has thought this out, and plans to pay them 25% extra when the generators put too much power onto the grid?

    https://reports-public.ieso.ca/public/IntertieScheduleFlow/PUB_IntertieScheduleFlow_20250309.xml

    That’s for today’s interflows, they are estimating that Ontario will be pulling power from Michigan intertie later today.

    The other part of the equation, the current power price is $2.56/MWh, which is the power cost, and a global adjustment cost (which covers generator shedding, readiness, and paying other locations to take our power) at an estimated $41.09/MWh.

  3. Trump’s been humming this old Sesame Street tune with a cat-swallowed-the-canary look on his face:

    Blubber Douggie, joy of joys
    When I squeeze you, you make noise
    Blubber Douggie, you’re my very best friend, it’s true

    1. Apparently, Blubberboy is now going to produce nasty commercials for Murican TV, replacing his current batch of ‘your friend Morontariowe’ propaganda.
      He hasn’t clued in that Americans don’t GAF about Canuckistan.

      1. Overheard on the shore of the river in Detroit. “What’s a Ontario?”
        “It’s a lake east of here. Also a city out west.”

  4. Hilarious. Go figure, but the Americans are A LOT smarter than our lying, bluffing POS politicians let on. Notice how quiet Comrade Marxist Eby has been on this subject. All of a sudden his HuffNPuff is deflated and non-existent!
    BC is a net importer of Lectricity as well, from the US, and AB for that matter. This from a province with a brand new Site C dam. That only adds 8% power to the grid when it is fully generating capacity in July this year.
    BC is also a net importer of gasoline, diesel and AV gas. Substantially. Hmmmm, no threats to cut off doze dam Yanks from NG though, wonder why? But hey, Red State Likker BAD!
    Our political leaders are IDIOTS. And their idiots vote the idiots in. Clown Show. Ford is in good company with Ebby. Uniparty hypocrites, blowhards and smart enough to be dangerous to everyone else.

  5. Trump must be killing himself laughing at the ineffectual, selfrighteous Canuckleheads harrumphing as they walk around in circles

    1. Maybe. But what’s concerning is the hordes of canuck no-minds who arebacking the stupid and dangerous retaliatory measures in an idiotic version of “patriotism “.

      Why didn’t we just crack down on fentanyl and stop importing terrorists as “potential citizens “ and maybe this idiotic hollow posturing wouldn’t be needed.

      Oshawa is at near ghost-town status. Ford Oakville: may be permanently closed. Chrysler Brampton? Expansion and RTW plans put on hold and trades who came back to work are now laid off. Toyota Cambridge, Honda Allison? Windsor?

      Ford should really keep his fat, ignorant mouth shut before he does something really damaging and causes tens of thousands of permanent lost jobs.

      I’ve never seen such an unthinking bunch of lemmings as the people of this country who wave the flag and pat each other on the back as they run towards the cliff’s edge.

      Steyn was right: sometimes a country is just too stupid to survive.

      mhb23re

  6. I have been involved in micro solar energy (solar, back up battery etc.) for about twenty years. It is well known in the energy sector that Ontario produces more power than it uses. Electricity goes to the nearest load. Our interdependence with the US grid means that sometimes we draw power from the US and other times we send power to the US at well discounted rates. A vivid illustration of that interdependence is the massive power failure in 2003 that shut down the entire eastern grid (caused by a squirrel in the eastern US); large parts of Ontario and Quebec lost power for days).

    This information is easily available for the interested through agencies like the IESO. It is astonishing (well maybe not) that the leader of our province does not have people that know this. I suspect they do. Doug Ford is either badly informed or mendacious.

    Lastly our electrical grid for all the talk of investment etc. is in bad shape- yet another reason we depend our integrated grid with the US.

    Cutting the flow of power to the US will cause harm to both countries.

    An empty threat from the blowfish. Empty barrels make the most noise.

    1. Fat boi is just a blowhard thumping his chest, to impress the stupid as well as himself. Many will fall for it. I’v made some new ‘friends’ with my support for the big bad Donald:-))))

      1. I saw a small transformer explode when a squirrel crawled inside. Huge flash of light and thunderclap and… lights out.

        Not much left of Mr. Squirrel after that.

        1. Back in the late 90’s I was an engineer working for a CAW unionized factory in Hamilton Ontario. When the workers wanted an afternoon off with pay, someone would chuck their lunch on one of the transformers – inevitably resulting in a power outage and fried squirrel.

        2. While living in Omaha, there was a squirrel living in one of my aged oaks that had gotten involved with electricity somehow and lived to tell about it. It had a white jagged line of fur going up its body while part of its tail was bare. I fed it almonds and other nuts so it could get through the winters. Squirrels with bare tails in the Northern Plains would struggle.

  7. Ex-Michigan Yank here. I can assure you that “Michigan” has enough power sources to fully weather any Ford actions. New England might have issues ’cause of their politics, but that is easily addressed?
    I’m also puzzled why a Ont PM thinks he has that much power to cut supplies to the States. Seems to me that there are international treaties that cover this? And of course, if there are damages, I’m sure he’ll be sued in an AMERCIAN!!! court.
    Tech-wise, I ponder how a Canadian in Canada can shut down American power? How does that work? Cause there is a “Grid” and that includes most of North American power generating entities, and if one source fails to keep up, the rest kick in? He confuses that blackout situation with the ability to shut down power?

  8. Canada shipping electricity below cost to the US? Shut down the excess capacity. Carney would much rather do that and jack up domestic prices

  9. Every time we have a sunny, windy day we -pay- the American to take excess (wind and solar) power off our grid. Every time we have a cold, still night, we draw power from the USA at a sweet, sweet premium.

    #Dougggie, naturally, is playing to the retards of Toronto, who might actually believe he can do what he says, or possibly just want to hear some anti-American ranting and don’t care a d@mn about anything else. That’s where all the votes are, after all.

    Out here in Hooterville where I can see the d@mn windmills out my window, most people know this stuff. That’s because we have power outages all the time.

  10. I present Ontario’s premier D’oh Ford whose forte is stepping on garden rakes.

  11. Can you guys just zap the excess electricity into the air to create more ozone, please? We are deficient here down under.

    1. You guys could run an extension cord up here, right? Take all this extra juice off our hands?

  12. 50% are below the “average intelligence”.
    Looks like 100% of politicians.
    So where do we stand?
    President Trump has talked much of imposing “New Tariffs”.
    But done no such thing.
    Canada,Dear Leader, Provincial Gasbags, have imposed tariffs,taking more from Canadian Consumers pockets..
    These dimwits are impossible to parody.

  13. 50% are below the “average intelligence”

    Reminds me of George Carlin on this who said, “Think of how stupid the average person is. Now understand half the population is dumber than that”

    Prescience.

    mhb23re

  14. I wonder what Ford would do if the U.S. stopped crude oil from moving north to the Ontario refineries? That would be funny.

  15. Seems like everyone is missing the point. Canadians are too stupid to realize that these political morons simply look at the polls and govern accordingly. Most Canadians are rah rahing right now and Ford knows that. That fat POS knows people are yelling, “Yeah, screw the Americans.” It doesn’t mater to him one iota if this policy makes sense or not, it’s simply just another political ploy to fool the great unwashed. Pathetic!

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