Have Another Drink, Dougie

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In the same breath as Ford blasts Trump for his tariffs on Canadian electricity, he proposes, in response, to effectively double them.

Ontario will charge 25 per cent more for electricity shipped to 1.5 million Americans starting Monday in response to U.S. President Donald Trump’s tariffs, Premier Doug Ford said Thursday.

The policy raises some questions. Since hydro contracts are long term with already agreed upon pricing, how does Ford propose to make the American utilities pay the extra charges? He can send as many invoices as he wants to US customers, but there’s no way a US court would rule in favor of Ontario and they would be free to ignore them.

The other problem is that by shrinking the differential between American and Canadian electricity prices by 50%, you have incentivized American utilities to build their own generating capacity. Has Ford not considered that angle? Oh wait, don’t answer that….

60 Replies to “Have Another Drink, Dougie”

  1. Will be fun to watch when the crude oil that goes up from the U.S. to Ontario refineries is cut off.

    1. Line 5. Precisely. I was having this very discussion w/ a coworker. Doogie’s gonna cut off electricity, the US will shut down Line 5 & Doogie will have the power turned back on by that afternoon.

      Idiot.

  2. We get most of our oil from the US. Also a lot of food too. I don’t think he’s really gamed this out.

    1. There are 18 oil refineries in Canada producing 2 million barrels a day out of a demand of 2.2 million barrels and we produce about 4.5 million barrels a day of crude. We don’t get most of our oil from the US and we export a shit ton to the US. If we hadn’t counted on the US being a good neighbour and trading partner and we weren’t run by idiots we could meet all our domestic needs for oil and still be exporting a whole lot more. Maybe if we stop electing idiots we can make that happen.

      1. All this effort by Ford to protect the extensive money-laundering network Trudeau presides over. I think he should be put on the US no entry/no fly list, as a fentanyl adjacent threat to America’s youth.

      2. Technically true.

        We do have refineries, but that western oil goes thru the states first before hitting Refineries in Ontario. Also there is the 100mil+ in Russian oil the east coast imports yearly for there refineries( to export to the US). We are retarded.

        Your point is dead on about the last 50 years of spineless, short-sighted politicians that have been negligent on the development of our natural resources.

      3. Cherry picking your facts, while deliberately ignoring contextual facts along the same lines subject, makes you look foolish.
        You look foolish.
        As stated by others, Ontario, and a portion of Quebec, are dependent on Southern Ontario refineries, supplied by pipelines FROM THE US. Doesn’t matter if that oil originates from Canaderp, it comes from the US.
        Shame if those got cut off Blubber Duggie. Real shame.
        The real fool here is Blubber Duggie. They say a leader represents his people. That’s why it’s called Morontariowe.

      5. ‘Maybe if we stop electing idiots we can make that happen’

        You’re asking for more than we can give.

    1. Premiere. of the PROVINCE of Ontario. Unlike his brother Rob, who was MAYOR of THE CITY of Moronto.

      1. It’s a joke. Americans have started calling Ford the Mayor of Ontario on social media.

        1. Got it.
          Shoulda known that no one could be that ignorant.
          In my defense, check the time of that post.

    1. “Canada is not for sale.” Our politicians on the other hand…

  5. Eliminating the market for Ontario’s electricity was practically the first thing out of his mouth when all this started, but instead of solving the core problem he will make everything worse.

    Too much electricity that cannot be sold anywhere else does not mean consumers in Ontario will get lower prices, it’s just the opposite. Ontario Hydro needs massive amounts of revenue to keep their bloated inefficient house of cards afloat. Consumers in Ontario need to brace for impact.

    1. Wow! A Canadian who can do maths. Although in fairness … your Federal government will make the Canadian taxpayers subsidize Ontario’s lost revenue.

    2. DOOGIE is such a BLOWHARD………..time we release Ont and Kwebek from the apron strings…….NO MORE TRANSFER PAYMENTS………..

  6. “The other problem is that by shrinking the differential between American and Canadian electricity prices by 50%, you have incentivized American utilities to build their own generating capacity. Has Ford not considered that angle? Oh wait, don’t answer that….”

    Exactly the same thing applies with incentivizing Canadians to build pipelines and refineries. Demand for oil is world wide, get it to a salt water port and it can go anywhere in the word.

    1. Bitumen from Alberta can only be shipped by pipeline if it is upgraded- hugely expensive – or mixed with ultra-light Bakken crude from the US.

      Trudeau refuses to attack money-laundering and fentanyl smuggling, as Trump has asked.

      Trudeau’s position is a cause for war against Canada.

      1. “Bitumen from Alberta can only be shipped by pipeline if it is upgraded- hugely expensive”

        Not so sure about that. Wasn’t the Northern Gateway going to dilute it with condensate with a return pipeline to get the condensate back to Alberta.

    2. Mostly pipelines, but your point is valid. Refining is best done close to the end user, from a cost and safety perspective. You could refine the oil here, but take a ride across the sea on a gasoline tanker? Hard pass.

  7. I hate the CINO known as Blubber Dougie but this part: “”“The other problem is that by shrinking the differential between American and Canadian electricity prices by 50%, you have incentivized American utilities to build their own generating capacity.””

    doesn’t make not a whole tonne of sense. I’m no elect-chicken but electricity generation facilities take years or decades to build. This “TARIFF WAR !!!” is a flash in the pan until Don outmaneuvers these imbeciles into doing what he wants and it will be over many, many years before anyone has any incentive to change something as staid as the North American electrical grid.

    Tempest / Teapot.

    1. 10% for the Fat Guy.
      US utility companies are ramping up anyway to support Data Centers. A little marginal increase in the capacity of what is already planned or underway should be sufficient to make Canadian electricity less relevant.

  8. Apparently there are 2258 liquified natural gas tankers in the worlds fleet, 6,259 “chemical tankers” and 8,445 crude oil tankers. It would appear that carrying gasoline and LNG is as common as carrying crude oil.

      1. That’s Trump’s excuse for the tariffs. Trump’s real goal is to balance the trade deficit, and also possibly to try to scare Canada into joining the US.

        But he can’t state that as the reasons, because by law the president may only impose tariffs to protect American security; thus the excuse of fentanyl and illegal immigration.

        Which makes it impossible to negotiate with him.

        I suspect that when the smoke clears, congress will remove the ability of the president to impose tariffs altogether. They should have done that years ago.

        1. @KM: No. Trump’s angle is that Canada right now is China’s doormat to US + a big vulnerability from up North. And he can’t say this out loud of course.

        2. Then call Trump’s bluff (as you imagine it). Fully cooperate. Give Trump EVERYTHING he demands by way of border protection and ChiCom drug and money laundering enterprises … then … if the tariffs don’t go away … you will own the moral high ground and no one will support any further tariffs … Trump will lose standing in the eyes of BOTH Canadians and Americans.

          PS … you’re full of human excrement

  10. Most Canadians want a fight.. I would put it at about 2/3rds.. Always 2/3rds..
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    No Canadian politician or media outlet is going to side with the 1/3rd.. Even if they are right..

    1. 2/3rds want a fight? How about 2/3rds want to hiss and scratch … and that will turn to a whimper when they get their noses bloodied.

      1. 2/3 (more like 3/4) of Canadians believe Orangemanbad. Hence, they would literally lop off their own son’s pennnis to prove their point. No … not their own pennnis … they need that for show and tell on some climate change “science” show. So the boy’s pennnis has got to go.

  11. Wow Dennis, you must be an amazing lawyer to make a pronouncement like that without even having seen the supply contracts in question. Or are you just a semi literate chucklefuck spending his coffee break down at the parts warehouse opining on things that he knows nothing about?

  12. Or, he could just defer them at the last minute, like Trump is doing.

  13. There is only one way to fix stupid and it’s illegal.
    You’re lucky Doug.
    You too, Juthtin.

  14. I just love reading the comments here from all of the LIVs. Everybody has a solution to the problems that beset us, up the tariffs, double the tariffs, get American booze out of the liquor stores, turn off the power, don’t travel to the US, only buy Canadian (China), the list goes on and on. Trump is using the only solution he has to get us to wake up and start fulfilling our obligations. He warned the Petit Dauphin and the rest of NATO over four years ago and not one of the Western leaders listened to him. America can no longer be the world’s saviour. The tariff war is an attempt to bring some semblance of parity to the North American economy and have Canada start paying its way. It is the prototype of what will happen across all of the NATO countries, and every leader of the West knows this. We either accept it and begin to adapt to it and change our ways or we are going to enter the biggest recession in recorded history, and the only winner in that case will be America.

    3. Well, there is an old adage….”if it ain’t broke….BREAK IT”. Decades of in the box thinking makes it virtually impossible for people to see any other reality. Canada’s correct course of action would be to get rid of our crying, whining PM, get a PM in there that will align with the U.S. policies rather than those of Europe. That is what has happened under Herr Trudeau.

    4. Yes. For starters it would be easier to honor NATO military obligations than to address addicts’ issues and society’s modern attitude toward drug use/abuse. People wpuldn’t ‘object’ near as much.

  15. Meathead has every right to jack up the cost of electricity despite a contract. After all Trump effectively tore up the free trade agreement. Shit happens in a trade war.

    1. Well no, he didn’t actually. Meathead can try, but when the oil stops flowing up from the U.S. to Ontario refineries, he will realize he doesn’t hold the cards.

    2. USMCA, Ch. 31, Dispute Resolution: in the even that any party to the USMCA is considered not to be in accordance with USMCA trade agreements, then a request for consultations and a panel is formed. The action required by a member of the USMCA in the case of another member not being in accordance with the USMCA is sanctions (aka. tariffs).

      Although there have been treaty issues prior: example, 2020 (Biden) Canada’s dairy (there have been ongoing issues with USMCA compliance, Canada more than Mexico); and ongoing issues under the chapter on environmental impacts (Canada has a problem with illicit trade in protected wildlife, namely bear parts, going to Asia; Mexican overfishing, or rather allowing China to overfish); Trump is using the International Emergency Economic Powers Act with regards to the drug trade, border security, among other things. This is a more clearcut framework than what the USMCA could give on its own, but rest assured he is in full accordance with the bylaws laid out by the USMCA.

      It’s really looking like both Canada and Mexico signed that treaty with no intentions of ever honoring it. Consequences can be difficult.

  16. I’m certain Trump is completely stumped by Blubber Dougie’s threat to Blue states in the northeastern US that all voted for Kamala the Salad Lady. No possible repercussions imaginable.

  18. Anyone else here as happy as I am for never having voted for this posturing pig of a man?

  19. I know everyone wants to see some definitive action to address the US tariffs but Doug Ford’s latest aren’t going to move the needle and have the potential to actually cause longer term problems for Ontario. For instance, the 25% export tax on electricity. Sounds like a lot, a really big deal right? It’s nothing more than a show for the home audience and will have a negligible impact on US consumers.
    Ontario exported 13.9 million megawatt-hours (MWh) of electricity to the U.S. in 2023, less than 1% of total U.S. annual electricity consumption.
    Only Michigan, New York, and Minnesota rely on Ontario for a portion of their grid balancing, especially during peak demand. For example, Michigan imported 7,718 gigawatt-hours (GWh), or 6.2%, from Ontario in 2023, compared to its domestic production of 120,656 GWh. New York imported 4,149 GWh, or 3.3%, against 124,039 GWh produced locally, and Minnesota received a smaller 66 GWh. A 25% export fee in Michigan would temporarily raise the consumer price by somewhere between 1% and 2% (the math for this is at the end of the piece). If Michigan bills are structured like ours, the electricity is only 50% of the bill, so the consumer would see and overall bill increase of between 1/2% and 1%. In short it’s a minor inconvenience.
    Immediate/Short Term
    The U.S. has significant domestic electricity generation capacity—over 1,200 gigawatts in 2023, per the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)—from natural gas, coal, nuclear, hydro, and renewables. States could increase output from existing plants or shift power from other regions via the grid. For instance, the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO) and New York Independent System Operator (NYISO) could reallocate resources, though this might take days or weeks to fully stabilize.
    Long-Term Consequences
    This might cause the U.S. to accelerate investments in domestic generation, such as natural gas plants, reducing reliance on Canadian imports. This aligns with some analyses suggesting the U.S. could adapt by prioritizing internal resources, though it would require time and capital. This could leave Ontario with surplus electricity it can’t use efficiently and the permanent loss of up to $700 million in annual in export revenue.
    Math on the Michigan example
    One assumption: the wholesale price that Michigan pays Ontario is the same as it pays for alternate US sources.
    Let’s say Michigan currently pays $100 in total for all it’s electricity and sells it to consumers for $115, leaving $15 profit. Canada supplies 6.2% which costs $6.20. Add a 25% export tax and that becomes $7.75, bringing their total cost to $101.55. To maintain their $15 profit, they now charge consumers $116.55, and increase of 1.35%.

  20. Ford, although particularly photogenic (he reminds of one of the pigs from the cartoon version of ‘Animal Farm’), isn’t the only MP in Canada who has been truly moronic:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/us-truck-tolls-alaska-1.7476852
    Problem, there is a treaty with the U.S. on use of the Alaskan Highway — think of it as Canada’s Panama Canal.

    But not buying booze seems to be the big winner. Which is a very odd thing to be focusing on; is Canada much like Russia, where the leaders like to sell the peasantry alcohol to keep them subdued potential alcoholics? I suppose that increases the need for social programs to deal with the problem, and that provide excellent slush funds and campaign slogans (they care about you!). and thus keeping the peasantry from rising up while lining their pockets.
    Every last one of them is yammering on and on about the markets too — think their stock portfolios are taking a beating?

    It really is just about a bunch of livestock.

  21. Be a shame if Dougie shut off the power to Michigan and the pumping stations in Michigan had no power to pump north. Real bad shame.

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