Down The Primrose Path

Art Of The Deal Ukraine 57 Comments

Conservative Treehouse;

The ‘leaders’ of Europe got together in Paris, France at the request of French President Emmanuel Macron to discuss how to handle a peace agreement if Putin, Trump and eventually Zelenskyy come to terms. The outcome perfectly encapsulates the EU.

After essentially saying the United States would not send military troops into Ukraine as part of a peacekeeping mission, President Trump sent a communique to each of the leaders, “asking them to spell out what they would be prepared to offer to enforce a peace agreement, as well as what they would expect from the U.S.” However, there was no consensus from the EU meeting.

Instead, the Germans, French, British, Polish and EU leaders from Brussels said they would not send military assistance to Ukraine, without the leadership of the United States, and specifically without U.S. military troops to lead them. {Insert belly laughter here} Of course, they didn’t.

h/t Lupus solus

57 Replies to “Down The Primrose Path”

    1. Ukraine and Europe are free to keep fighting Russia, without the US nuclear umbrella or our air force and without free weapons and economic subsidies. Isn’t that what Ukraine is fighting for, its sovereign right to control its own foreign policy? You are free, Kiev! Free!

      1. Nothing? I disagree, Phantom. After they’re built, they’re sending a couple of Canada’s new submarines to Ukraine.

    2. Their part in a final deal will be to have Canada accept all the Azov and other nazis as immigrants to Canada. We did it after WW2 and we can do it again.

  5. Article says there was no consensus but flat out saying (after Trump said NO US troops) that EU won’t send troops to Ukraine peace keeping mission without US troops says everything about what EU member states agreed upon in Paris. Its the usual concensus of “let the Americans do it”.

  6. Of course they won’t, how many western men have died saving Europe? Never again, leave those snotty communist to their fate.

  7. The betrayal of the Ukrainian People was baked right in.
    The USA is a fickle ally,always will be,due to their political system.

    What are North America’s interests in The Ukraine?
    What would prompt the USA to spend blood and treasure there?
    So now,Presidents have changed.
    Old promises go down the drain.

    And the retarded fellow who kept poking that sleeping bear?
    Still getting mauled to bits.
    The West,spent huge amounts of money,often in secret , to arm and train the Ukrainian Army.

    Emboldened ,promised “Full Support” and left naked and dangling.
    Bravery and Faith are not enough.

    And given that todays results were predictable,obvious even, from day one..
    Why did we,NATO, do this?

    What do we gain by the destruction of Ukraine?
    Or was it all a ploy to distract from the treacherous scumbags wreaking domestic destruction upon us?

    1. A lot of it was old holdover ideology, even more of it was flat out corruption. Out of $200,000,000,000 Zelensky says they got $75,000,000,000. I don’t consider the actor cum dictator a reliable source, but I am pretty sure more than half the money never crossed the Atlantic. I suspect DOGE’S coders can find it, that’s why it is good to pay attention to what the deep state fears most, and that is Musk these days.

    2. The Ukrainians were used as cannon fodder in an attempt to weaken and depose Putin, and it was never more complicated than that.

        1. They (USAID AKA CIA) spent 5 Billion in 2014 alone to set this rouge up, and yes Kate is absolutely correct, it’s that simple.

        2. We would never provoke an invasion and then lie about it!

          “That day I [Zpegniev Brzezinski] wrote a memorandum to the President [Jimmy Carter] in which I told him that that assistance would cause the Soviet intervention (…) we did not force the Russian intervention, we just, conscientiously, increased the intervention possibilities.” – Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor

          If you think that this stuff is always black and white, you are a rube, and if you want to change that condition, you should open a history book or two. You could start with The Guns of August, about how WWI started.

          Here’s more:

          Nouvelle Obervateur: When the Soviets justified their intervention by affirming they were fighting against a secret American interference nobody believed them, though they were telling the truth. Don’t you regret it?

          Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. Its objective was to lead the Russian to the Afghan trap, and you want me to regret it?

          So yeah, starting wars is always a complicated business.

          1. I never said it was black and white, I implied it wasn’t simple. On which we seem to agree.

            Seeing Jimmy Carter in a better light was not on my radar for today!

        4. “And this uncomplicated plan involved persuading Putin to invade and take over Ukraine?”

          No, it involved provoking Putin until he had no choice but to do so. Try to keep up.

      2. “The Ukrainians were used as cannon fodder in an attempt to weaken and depose Putin, and it was never more complicated than that.”

        Absolutely, Kate….they even bragged about it. The fact that so many of them were able to get even wealthier in doing so was just a happy bonus.

  8. If each of the European “leaders” sent half their army, would it amount to a division? I mean actual combat capable soldiers, not the theoretical army. Canada as an example might be able to send a brigade, as long as it could be rotated out quickly, cause they sure don’t have two. I’m sure on paper, we have a division, but that it what it is made out of, paper. The US sent 12 divisions to Iraq in Desert storm.

    1. Most of Europe can’t afford the Overtime Pay to deploy their soldiers. Canada might be able to scratch together about 3600 ill equipped troops to deploy, so not quite a brigade (4000) but close enough for Canada

    1. I’ve had a couple of polite, level-headed and interesting discussions on here with him, even though we disagreed on some things. I didn’t insult him and he didn’t insult me. I figure you get what you give.

  11. So the US and Russia get together to decide the future of Ukraine (and who knows what else), excluding all the Europeans (even Ukraine!) from the meeting, and then ask the Europeans to commit blind to whatever results? Right . . . . .

    – The USA is a fickle ally,always will be,due to their political system.

    Yes, the Taiwanese should cut a deal with Xi as soon as possible if they don’t want to become the next pile of bloody rubble that America abandons. Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc, etc should all consider their futures carefully.

    Pro tip to 21st century national security: get nukes, behave abominably, repeatedly imprison US citizens.
    America respects that.

    1. Countries don’t have allies, they have interests. Propping up the Ukraine in a proxy war was decided to be in the US interest by the last administration, not the current one. Deal with it.

    2. “So the US and Russia get together to decide the future of Ukraine”

      No, only Ukraine can sign a peace deal, and they are free to fight Russia with their own weapons and money as long as they want. The US can’t stop them.

    3. I am still trying to figure out why Taiwan would want to change anything about its mutually beneficial relationship with the mainland. Why would it want to invite in the US military sparking a war that will leave it devastated, or invite a Chinese blockade by declaring independence? What does it gain by changing the status quo? The US is worried that if too much time passes, China will be impossible to defeat in a conventional war, but why is that Taiwan’s problem? Taiwan should look out for itself. Just as Ukraine should have.

    4. Ukraine’s real problem is that they have lost the war they picked with Russia, and losing a war sucks. Trump is not Hitler, who should have sued for peace after the Battle of Kursk showed that his army was doomed. Hitler should have cut his losses right then. That is what Trump is doing, cutting our losses, moving on. If Trump thought that there was any way to win this war, he would take that route. There isn’t. It’s over. Accept it.

      1. Ukraine’s real problem is that it’s traded Beeg American dollars for its own sovereignty. Forgive me, but I don’t give two fkcus about their dilemma, or their loss of manpower. Now, they’re gonna be the EU’s bitch … who will replenish their broken country with “newcomers” from Africa and the ME. Goodbye Ukraine. You actually thought the US was willing to WIN a war? Hahahah ha ha ha … we don’t DO that anymore.

        And the CIA will just move on to another country to destabilize.

        *snicker* … the EU’s in control now. But don’t worry, Ukraine! Keir Starmer is celebrating his BREXIT by promising to send British troops. Sending poor white kids from the midlands to go fight that homophobe Putin.

      2. – If Trump thought that there was any way to win this war, he would take that route. There isn’t. It’s over. Accept it.

        I will accept it if and when it becomes reality. I still hold out some hope (cope?) that Trump is making a very public effort to offer Putin a good deal in the knowledge that he’s too stupid to take it. And then it’s tough Trump. The Russians have already rejected the idea of peacekeeping troops from European NATO countries, so that’s a good start.

        1. “I will accept it if and when it becomes reality. ”

          So, long after everyone else, then?

      1. “You voided your entire argument with the fiction “commit blind.” Nicely done.”

        He did…then compounded that error by holding out some forlorn hope that there was any other way to end this war (there isn’t). Then said he “will accept it if and when it becomes reality”, when it is ALREADY reality for every reasonable, rational person.

      2. It’s really not that difficult. Trump was asking them “what they’re prepared to offer to enforce a peace agreement” without them being present at the negotiations for the agreement. You can’t enforce anything without a commitment. So they were being asked to commit blind.

        Thankfully, Putin has rejected Trump’s idea of European peacekeepers so the issue is now moot.

  12. Considering that US and Russia being 2 of the 3 that could end all life on earth, China being the 3rd, maybe the leaders of the lesser countries may just have to let the big 3 sort out the future world, like it or not.

    Countries with no influence in the world, financial and especially militarily, may have to stop the grand standing.

  13. Justin Dauphin will lead the committee to ensure enough tampons are supplied to Ukraine’s front line forces.

    Canada will lead.

  14. “So the US and Russia get together to decide the future of Ukraine (and who knows what else), excluding all the Europeans (even Ukraine!) from the meeting, and then ask the Europeans to commit blind to whatever results? “

    The USA is deciding its own future, its own actions, where it will spend its own lives and treasure. We’re allowed to do that.

    And if our absence from the scene offends you, step right up and take over. No need to commit to what we want at all.

    “But they won’t pay us!” is hardly the same as “they’re killing us!” Given that much of NATO has turned into Big Brother, no, we won’t pay you anymore.

  15. Personally, I like seeing the Soros/WEF/Globalist New World Order fail utterly.
    The Soros/WEF/Globalist New World Order and their supra-national orgs are the enemy of any and all sovereign nations.

  19. Population EU = 449 million
    Population US = 345 million

    GDP EU = $20 trillion
    GDP US = $29 trillion

    It’s time for the US to pull out of Europe. The Europeans can defend themselves.

    The US has 750 overseas military bases. Why?

    No one is capable of militarily invading the US. The US population has between 400 and 500 million guns.

    To defend itself the US needs a Navy and an Air Force. The Navy and Air Force could stop any invasion fleet. They also have the nuclear delivery systems.

    The US Army and Marines can be considerably downsized.

    1. The army, yes, it should be reduced, because the founders weren’t comfortable with a standing Army. The Marines can stay.

  20. The Ukrainian military now understands that whatever sacrifice they make, whatever they achieve on the battlefield, it can all be wiped away by one stroke of an American pen in a conference room, halfway around the world. Don’t be the last one to die for Elensky.

  22. On Treehouse earlier today someone described this as the US using the YOYO strategy for Europe – You’re On Your Own.
    Sounds about right?

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