27 Replies to “Safe and Effective®”

  1. Name one.
    Ask them to name one person who was conclusively saved from death by the vaccine.

    1. Let’s suppose that the vaccines were effective at preventing COVID deaths. How would you prove that any specific person was saved, even in principle?

      You’re demanding something that could never be produced, no matter how effective the vaccines are.

      1. Yes. We can never prove that anyone was saved by the vaccine. Therefore, we can safely conclude that millions were saved by the vaccine.

        I can’t prove that any such thing as a unicorn exists. But I can reliably count the unicorn population. Just show me the grant money.

    1. As well as a fully armed and battle ready medical grade nebulizer.

      2. Yep! I’m pretty sure a C.P.A.P. machine renders one’s airways a hostile environment for greeblies of all kinds…

  3. The obvious answer is government and corporate modeling is mostly garbage in/ garbage out. Statistical modeling is used as a propaganda and marketing tool.

    The other thing is that the vast majority of the never-vaccinated were exposed to covid by the winter of 21-22. Probably exposed to the virus multiple tmes. Our immune system managed the virus in the usual manner and we developed strong immunity by this repeated exposure.

    Most of what happened during covid was a gross abuse of government power. They’ll never willingly admit they were wrong because of ego and legal liability.

  4. Everybody write this on the blackboard 100 times:

    “All parties were compliant and consequently complicit in the single most disastrous policy ever followed by any Government.”

    Did you get that? ALL.

  5. i got covid in 2019 , before it became popular. we were on the famous Zaandam. caught it from the crew. Ive had much worse colds.

    i never got vaxed. but my wife and daughter both required it for work. one passed out and cost us 10000 for new teeth . the other had a pulmonary embolism and spent a week in hospital in Taiwan after passing out on the ramp coming off the plane. i had to authorize two adrenalin shots to revive her .

    to be fair none of us got any covid like flu again

  6. I don’t know anyone who died of covid, I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who died of covid. I know a lot of people who got sick from covid, and it’s only anecdotal, but it seems the more jabs you had the sicker you got and the more often you got sick. I wasn’t jabbed, got mildly sick for a week, and the only reason I know it was covid was because I had to get tested twice a week because I wasn’t vaccinated. Lamest pandemic ever.

    2. My Bride died of SARS-COV2, Jan 30th, 2022.

      Here lungs shut down (legally called pneumonia), took a very large pull of breath and was no more. Paramedic and firefighters continued to administer CPR, taking over from my daughter within 3 minutes of her last breath. They tried 7 times to defib her, her heart was never able to establish a normal rhythm. The snake or snail venom in the virus disrupts the heart from regular beats (cobra venom) . Different people are affected as individually as each person.

      That’s my story, confirmed by the assistant medical examinator of Alberta, who gave me this information.

  8. They pulled those numbers out of a hat. There is no evidence that the vaxes saved any lives at all. NONE.

    1. Neil Ferguson did the mortality modelling for the UK government and the WHO. He has done them many times before. His numbers were what they based their recommendations on. He is usually out by a factor of 10. When asked in an interview why his numbers were always so far off, his answer was “I give the client what they ask for.” That ought to tell you a lot about the “pandemic.”
      There is ample evidence there never was a pandemic, only ramped up fear mongering.

  9. My lord, that was a dumb article.

    The first graph is only for four months, despite them having more than two years of data at their fingertips. That reeks of cherry picking.

    But most important, they didn’t compensate for a quickly changing base. The number of unvaccinated was falling significantly over those four months, as people continued to get vaccinated for the first time. That has to be taken into consideration.

    This is what happens when you have people desperately trying to prove an agenda who either (1) have no experience in handling numerical data, or (2) who do, but they know that most readers do not.

    1. In addition, the people most likely to be already vaccinated would be those in the high-risk groups. Little wonder, then, that the unvaccinated didn’t show the same spikes in mortality as the pandemic raged. Most were in decreased danger from COVID to start with.

      1. You are emitting an aura of desperation and fear.

        Sooner or later we will all have to accept that the majority of our healthcare professionals knowingly injected poison into children in order to keep their jobs. After all, someone has to be the janitor, secretary, or plumber at the concentration camp.

        Think about that the next time you go into a hospital.

        1. Except there’s a problem with that theory…

          There’s no good evidence for it.

          All the evidence is very much like the above Daily Skeptic article; weak and shoddy stuff that might impress the statistically naive, but doesn’t stand up to serious analysis. And no, having a lot of poor evidence doesn’t amount to good evidence.

          If you have even one really solid piece of evidence that the vaccines are ineffective and inordinately dangerous, present it.

          1. At some point, you have to make up your own mind using your own observations and experiences. The controlled media will dismiss anything an individual says by claiming that it is anecdotal. They will also dismiss anything 1,000,000 individuals say by claiming each of their accounts are anecdotal.

            The utterly corrupt liars in government, the utterly corrupt liars in the pharmaceutical industry, the utterly corrupt liars behind the various NGOs and alphabet agencies, and the utterly corrupt liars in the MSM, etc. are the only ones continuously proven to be wrong. The ones who fake data. The ones who redefine terms in deceptive manners. The ones who create lies, or as they characterize them “narratives”.

            Call me crazy, but I believe they all belong to “them”. They are different tentacles of the same
            creature – the people behind them move freely amongst these various categories.

            The problem most have is thinking that it would be ludicrous to believe that everyone behind these organizations is “in on it”. They aren’t, nor would they have to be. The people within these organizations are kept in silos and never see the big picture. Those who do quickly find themselves unemployed, and the rest learn the unwritten rules in a hurry.

          2. Watto:

            That’s the story here, isn’t it? The preponderance of scientific evidence is clearly in favour of these vaccines, so the only way to claim that they’re inordinately dangerous is to dismiss the science in favour of anecdotes.

            But anecdotal evidence isn’t worth crrap. There’s rarely any way of telling if a specific death after vaccination was caused by the vaccine, or if it was simply coincidence. And when billions of shots are given world wide, there will be coincidences. Further, many people on the internet simply lie, justifying it to themselves because they feel really, really certain the vaccines are dangerous. No, the only way to determine if vaccines are causing wide-spread deaths is through large-scale scientific studies, preferably controlled, randomized, and double blind.

            And naturally the anti-COVID-vaccine hysteria has now metastasized into general anti-vaccine hysteria. Even the hoary old “vaccines cause autism” myth — utterly debunked — has risen from the grave. Kate may view these anti-vaccine stories as harmless exercises in free speech, but she’s playing a very dangerous game.

          3. Sure, just as the preponderance of scientific evidence is clearly in favour of anthropogenic global warming.

            But of course, you have to accept that what you’re being told is factual and true. Which it most certainly is not.

            Simply because gatekeepers repeat words like “science” doesn’t mean their predetermined conclusions have anything to do with science.

            You place your trust in the voices purporting to speak for the experts, in the same way a communist would trust “the experts” at the CBC.

            You mock the anti-covid vaccine hysteria from your pro-covid vaccine hysteria chair. Perspective is everything.

          4. You don’t like a scientific result so therefore the science is predetermined and wrong.

            World doesn’t work like that.

          5. No, I and millions of others saw the fraud, lies, and changing “science” to determine that this was a scam. You trust what others perceive as liars because you believe the system has integrity and follows the scientific method.

            Communists love citizens like you.

  11. The vaccine killed my neighbor within a day. He was older, but in great shape and was constantly jogging in our neighborhood. He only took the poison shots for the Coronahoax so that he could move to California to spend time with his grandchild.

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