According to the Pollock limit, wind cannot deliver to a grid more on average than 25 of its plated capacity. Take a small isolated town of 10,000 households. It requires a constant supply of electricity of 12MW. Don’t ask why it needs as much electricity of a night as of a day, it doesn’t matter. It pays a government-subsidised carpetbagger to build six turbines close by with a nameplate capacity, all told, of 12MW. Part of the time it’s windless and little or nothing is delivered. Part of the time the wind is optimum and 12MW are delivered. On average per hour over a year 3MW are delivered. Luckily the town has diesel generators.
Let’s build another six turbines says the Mayor…
Related: Scottish Power admitted 71 of its windmills were hooked up to the fossil fuel supply after a fault developed with their power supply.
Ha ha and this the the great green logic and why electricity supply is screwed up. In the above town, for some, small, amount of time, they will be generating 24MW so have to turn half of them off, and pay for them too shut off.
Monckton is on the right track but the Climate Katastrophe Kool-aid Kids (KKK) will be saying for years to come that he quoted a non-peer reviewed theory, the “Pollock limit” and that his algebra was wrong. Journalists will tell us “Nothing to see here folks” as we skip down the road to renewables-driven financial Armageddon. Let’s hope someone publishes a peer-reviewed paper on Pollock’s Limit.
Why, and How … the remnants of the hippie generation who all “believe” in “clean-green”, “renewable” energy have convinced our current high tech culture to abandon truth, logic, and science and support 1970’s (at best) technology … baffles me.
One would think that the high tech generation would look askance at a retread of already-failed “clean-green”, “renewable” energy generated weakly and intermittently by windmills and solar panels.
But alas, this is the generation raised on the foolish propaganda of “Captain Planet” cartoons. Hence … we have cartoonish energy “solutions” to “evil” oil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-uj7i8ZouI
Follow the money. China’s HUGE in manufacturing solar cells & wind turbines. Don’t have much of a market unless the existing power sources are closed down. My progressive late brother told his wife he needed to find the window that his socialist Gov’t was throwing money out of. The CCCP is probably more sophisticated and nuanced, but knows how to get what it wants. Just throw $$$. And the old hippies will be waiting to catch’em all.
The linked article claims Monckton’s algebra is faulty, but I’m confused. His example of the second town that adds an additional set of turbines now has 24 MW name plate capacity, not the original 12 MW. It now produces 6 MW on average. So his example just reinforces Monckton’s argument. What am I missing?
The author didn’t just shoot himself in the foot, but also his ass and his head. This was a piece of grade 2 journalism coupled with grade 3 math.
What are you missing? The fact that doubling the number of turbines doubles the amount of production when the wind is nil. Two times nothing is nothing. Two times 3 MW is still 6 MW short of the power needed, so, in either case, the diesel generators are still necessary. The only thing that really doubles is the cost of that wind farm.
I do not need any algebra to understand the wind turbines are a freaking waste of time, money and other resources.
Think of how many nuke reactors or refineries we coulda had with that money/wasted resources .
Hear that giant sucking sound straight down the drain.
“I do not need any algebra to understand the wind turbines are a freaking waste of time, money and other resources.”
The very *worst* of the ‘green’ alternatives. Even worse than solar panels. Most expensive, least efficient, most environmentally damaging in both construction and operation, worst or second worst in disposal after their (short) service life has ended.
The only people who actually benefit from these things are the people who design, sell and install them…the rest of us end up paying the price.
It doesn’t matter. Klaus Schwab when he penetrated Justin Trudeau and his cabinet. He also made it very clear to Justine and his cabinet what must be done.
It’s more than about wind or solar.
It’s about famine, globally engineered famine. Depopulation, eat zee damn bugs and shut up.
You will do as you are told and have nothing and be happy.
And we the people say to the Globalists. When we get hungry enough we will come for you.
When you starve our families we will give you a Reset Klaus and Justine.
And you will not like it at all.
Green energy is a waste of tax dollars, in NS the power goes out so often it’s not funny. Yesterday it was -41 with winds gusting to 70km, of course it was to cold for the heat pumps to work effectively, so I had to turn on the baseboard heaters or freeze to death. The power went out of course, thankfully for less than an a hour, the grid can’t keep up as it is-if they tie into failed green energy we’ll be left to freeze or buy wood stoves?
They’re still pushing that trees are an endangered species in all of Canada.
Evasive species is its claim for the different tree species that they do not count.
Considering the hardwood trees are a much better crop to utilize in many different forms.
The mathematics are total wacky that they try to push that Canada has no trees left because of past forestry practices.
A wood stove is a good idea.
Some may argue about ROI or pollution or some other bullshit, but you’ll be alive to piss on their frozen turd of a corpse.
The problem with the Climate Cult is they are living in an alternate universe divorced from reality. None of the Net Zero de-carbonization, EV cars , banning natural gas is based on reality … it is total emotion … not unlike that of the 1978 Jamestown suicide cult.
REALITY … currently our civilization depends almost exclusively on oil. If oil was removed overnight civilization as we know it would collapse.
Steve Bannon interviews Dave Walsh regarding wind turbines and renewable fiasco. GE and Siemens losing money on wind , big sales in nuclear refurbishment and ,,,GAS TURBINES .. because wind and solar on average only produce at best , wind 9 hours per day , solar 6 hours per day as a result gas turbines are needed to provide power during the remaining time.
https://frankspeech.com/video/warroom-steve-bannon-dave-walsh-energy-consultant-former-president-mitsubishi-power-systems-9
If Gangrenous Policies threaten your existence (like Rose) then you either go class action legal on the mofo’s
or you use pointy things on them and rid the surface population of their presence.
Make a list of the tormentors and go pointy.
Eventually you will have to choose between survival or doing what idiots tell you to do.
Idiots like Justin Trudeau and his Penetrated Cabinet.
If you are stupid enough to obey a POS like Trudeau you deserve to starve.
Whatever the reasons, having to use diesel generators to de-ice faulty turbines is environmental madness.
No wind turbines are environmental madness.
Yes – renewables generally suck. But almost everything in the article this is from is wrong.
1 – The underlying limit here is actually the Betz limit. Albert Betz, in about 1919, developed the math behind measurement and prediction of wind energy availability for sails. The limit is about 60% – meaning that no more than 60% of the kinetic energy in wind can be captured by a sail – like those on ships and/or wind turbines. So for 10MW of energy production you need about 17MW of wind before mechanical and other losses – so at least 20MW in reality.
2 – what Pollock’s limit is about is the conversion from “nameplate” (implying ideal conditions, no wear based efficiency loss, and no transmission loss) capacity on one or more turbines to average deliverable power at the gateway between the turbine field and the user network. On average across the US and Canada (land based turbines – offshore produces more but also losses more in transmission and braking/warming) that runs to about 22% .
3 – now you have to add in mechanical losses, transmission losses, and the effects of wind variability. So what Moncton was getting at in the original essay is that deliverable power is net of all these factors. e.g. Imagine that tests show that available wind on a large site in the Crowsnest pass amounts to 100MW during an average hour. So you put up magical super-efficient turbines with 60MWH nameplate (nobody gets close to that in reality, but that’s the Betz limit) and get, on average, 22% of that, or 13.2MW, of production. Mechanical losses reduce that by 10%, so 11.9MW; and transmission to Calgary reduces it by a further 15%, so your 100MW potential results in delivery of, on average, about 10MWH.
4 – sadly, an average is just that: an average, but to run an office block on this you need to smooth things out by storing above average production for use during below average periods. Do it using batteries and about 30% of your power disappears as heat during charging and discharge, do it using pumped storage and about 40% disappears during the pumping/ generaration processes..
5 – the utility scale solution is standby gas generation: you throw away excess when the wind blows hard. burn gas when it doesn’t. The result, however, is that you have two generation and connection systems: one cheap, reliable, clean, and local (gas) and one very expensive, distant, unreliable, and environmentally dirty – that’s why power bills have more than doubled since this started. (and that’s pre-tax: e.g. Trudeau’s carbon tax is an attempt to make wind seem cheaper by making gas more expensive).
6 – this leads to another limit: the insanity limit – at some point we need to recover our sanity, sell off the windmills and transmission lines we have to suckers elsewhere, and put in fixed generation – on present knowledge some combo of gas an nuclear.
Thank you, for your explanation. It is the first time I have seen these numbers pulled together and explained with clarity on less than one page.
Wierdly, the current UPC Alberta government is subsidizing electricity by about $50/month on our residential regulated fixed rate. Trudeau’s carbontax ramps up the gas cost in comparison.
Both utilities have ridiculous “fixed cost charges” which make up 75%+ of the billing .
I didn’t read the article as I’m not into working or playing in Fantasyland, which Can Nah Duh has become but lets break this Net Zero program down into some basic math. Some one in the upper echelons of Stats Canada has worked out that the average Canadian uses, consumes, needs (However you want to break it down) 14,000Kwhs of energy to live in this country in the Northern hemisphere. Where this number comes from is anyone’s guess and how it is arrived at is an even bigger guess. Now the energy comes in many forms, natural gas, gasoline, diesel, coal, hydro, propane, wood, geothermal, wind and solar. (Pardon me if I’ve missed something.) This energy heats our homes, offices, schools, businesses and industry, it keeps our food both preserved and cooked, and it transports us back and forth to work. In other words there is absolutely nothing in our day to day work and play that does not require this energy. Now down to the basic Net Zero fallacy that the Liberals and NDP have been pushing. We allow 400,000 immigrants and refugees into Can Nah Duh every year which means we have to increase our energy production to accomodate these people, (no point in bringing them in if they freeze or starve to death in their first year.), so we have to produce 14,000 Kwhs X 400,000 more energy each year. So the basic math would indicate to even the dumbest Canuk that Net Zero is unattainable unless we all sacrifice our 14,000Kwhs per year.
At 51deg latitude we use about 16,000kwh annual equivalent . The eggheads in the upper/lower Canuckistan are elec $.
Per the internet censorhip bill, it’s my prediction that the end of Fox News in Canada is on the horizon. I also predict Jordan Peterson will be muzzled to the point that he will leave Canada. Canadian internet will be indistinguishable from that of the Chicoms. Rat fink “volunteers” will troll right wing blogs, Rumble and YouTube channels to report offenders to the candy asses at the CRTC. Free speech is effectively dead in this frozen banana republic.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/02/wind_power_makers_suffer_huge_losses_want_to_abandon_major_project.html
I had my Pollock limit at the fish and chips shop.
Wind turbines are grossly inefficient, promoted by those with no skin in that game, who waste taxpayer dollars for their power.
IOW just like government. Unachievable goals and promises paid for by others without the accountability integral to success.
That’s the ticket. Cue up the $100b promise on health care to prop up the monopoly system with feds again usurping the provinces.
Fake a goal, fake the solution for the problem created by the solution. Pretend to help society, never as individuals though.
Peasants with unacceptable views, somehow all of them, every last of of those racists is from Alberta, who drive trucks.
Dystopia reigns. A worthy reminder, along with Hayek who warned us of a new Nazism of statism, a phoenix from the ashes of the old.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
– Winston Churchill
Just insert modern progressivism for socialism (all of them Hayek’s statists) and you can see what’s coming. Why don’t enough voters?