Does the Data Really Matter to the Usual Suspects?

Leftists and their allies in the media, academia, and politics constantly espouse that they “follow the data & science” and thus, anyone who disagrees with them does not.  We’ll soon see if they walk their talk:

The question is this: If the vaccines work, what’s going on?

Remind them: We are almost a year into mass vaccination campaigns. Even before they began, public health experts and media and politicians explicitly and repeatedly promised that vaccines would end the epidemic if enough people took them.

Now the United States and especially Europe have vaccinated vast numbers of their citizens with mRNA and DNA vaccines that appeared hugely effective in clinical trials. In many European countries, over 90 percent of all adults are vaccinated.

Yet not only has Covid not disappeared, many of those same countries, like Denmark, are now seeing record levels of infections.

And there’s even more:

A “Wildfire” exclusive investigation reveals that weekly average deaths and all-cause “excess mortality rates,” the ultimate litmus test of whether or not health policies are working against the Covid pandemic, are failing to decline among elderly populations despite nearly a year of mass vaccination and other Covid response policies, such as mask mandates and lockdowns.

Despite more than 99% of the elderly population being reported “vaccinated,” and 87% being reported as “fully vaccinated,” the elderly population in the United States have been dying at nearly the same rates as the pre-vaccine stage of the pandemic. In fact, the elderly population from ages 65 to 74 has been dying at a higher rate.

36 Replies to “Does the Data Really Matter to the Usual Suspects?”

    1. This. If data mattered the “vaxxes” would never have been pushed onto the public in the first place. The early trials failed miserably.

  1. The only data that matters to our Progressive Comrades,concerns their necks.
    Their behaviour to date says it all.
    Policy Based evidence manufacturing is what they call “The Science”.
    Data ?
    If the measurements contradict the computed desired results?
    Change the measurements.
    Time is against all Narratives promoted by our deceit filled friends.
    The nasty facts,that every thing they promised was a lie..
    That is a feature not a bug.
    A cull is occurring.

    Only a true Liberal can believe mutually exclusive factoids simultaneously.
    Most sane persons cannot manage the mental gymnastics to convince themselves “Black is White is Black,but only when I need it to be so.”
    Never having comprehended “NO” might be part of their problem.
    Whatever their “intent” their actions are the only facts we can observe.
    And
    By their actions you shall know them.

    Do you see them now?
    Or does yah need another 20 months and an ever smaller world to sharpen your view?

  2. I’ve noticed a little something. Papers are starting to come out that state unequivocally that natural immunity not only produces antibodies at a more efficient rate than “vaccinated,” but the heightened production and strength of these anti-bodies are longer lasting and quicker to respond. But, most interestingly, they are resistant to variants of the virus (Delta used as the benchmark).

    And, almost immediately, following the release of some of these studies (Rochester NY study as an example) the Omicron virus pops up to much fanfare with an emphasis in the media as to how naturally produced antibodies are not effective. Convenient? True?

    Incidentally, every one of these studies has made sure to inject the test subject holding natural immunity with the “vaccination” so that study never provides data on individuals solely relying on natural immunity. They simply conclude that a combination of the two (natural and artificial) is the best defense while ignoring pure natural immunity altogether.

    Side note: That Rochester Report is interesting and little bit disturbing. They actually created a Frankenstein type virus to test out natural immunity. (( Insert warning from Jurassic Park right freaking here. ))

  3. I really think the establishment has jumped the shark with the omicron hysteria. Does anyoner believe this shit anymore?

  4. This report from Vietnam.

    https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/120-children-hospitalized-province-suspends-pfizer-vaccine-batch-4397748.html

    This was an obviously bad bath of vaccine, “Since November 30, the central province has been vaccinating children aged 15-17 with the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. However, over 120 of the children were admitted to hospitals after exhibiting symptoms like nausea, high fever or breathing difficulties, the provincial Center for Disease Control (CDC) said Thursday.”

    What will they do with the bad batch?

    “Thanh Hoa CDC director Luong Ngoc Truong said the province has stopped using the current vaccine batch. “We still have other batches, also Pfizer vaccines, so we will continue vaccinating the children,” he said. The suspended batch would be put into storage and could be used later for other groups like adults, Truong added.” Pfizer doesn’y have a return policy? Does anyone want to investigate the possible problems?

    Don’t worry, it isn’t just Pfizer. The Thanh Hoa CDC has distributed around 117,000 Covid-19 vaccine doses to 27 districts and towns. Over 56,700 doses have been administered. Over the past week, three children have died following their vaccination with the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in Bac Giang, Hanoi and Binh Phuoc. The cause of death has been determined as “overreaction to the vaccine.” Last week, four workers in Thanh Hoa’s Kim Viet Shoe factory died following their Vero Cell Covid-19 vaccination, also due to “overreaction.”

    7/56,000 = 12.5 per 100,000 deaths

  5. Old folks used to “die of pnumonia” or some other infection, normally after breaking a hip and ending up in hospital, or some such. When your old and frail the common cold can kill. Now all these things are being called “covid” because of the Piece of CRap test. Indeed these folks are often not dying of covid but dying with it

  6. Does the Data Really Matter to the Usual Suspects?
    No, the data doesn’t matter. They are part of the Covidian Cult and it’s extremely difficult to get them out of it.

    https://consentfactory.org/2021/09/02/the-covidian-cult-part-iii/

    I called the New Normals a “Covidian Cult,” not to gratuitously insult or mock them, but because that is what totalitarianism is … a cult writ large, on a societal scale. Anyone who has tried to get through to them can confirm the accuracy of that analogy. You can show them the facts until you’re blue in the face. It will not make the slightest difference. You think you are having a debate over facts, but you are not. You are threatening their new “reality.” You think you are struggling to get them to think rationally. You are not. What you are is a heretic, an agent of demonic forces, an enemy of all that is “real” and “true.”

    1. I keep saying it: You can’t logic a Prog.

      They’re true believers. Facts, logic, empirical evidence, charts, graphs, statistics, science. They’re immune to them all.

      As such, the only thing left is to gratuitously insult or mock them. While it may not help, I find it’s very therapeutic. Kinda like kickin’ the Hawg when it don’t wanna start.

  7. Too many people only get their information from the propaganda media. This war is still in the information phase, and the Progressives are winning.

  8. Things you won’t see reported on SDA:

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

    A cohort study of 19,625 nursing home residents found that those who received an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) had lower all-cause mortality than did unvaccinated residents….
    After standardizing mortality rates by age and sex, this study found that COVID-19 vaccine recipients had lower non–COVID-19 mortality than did unvaccinated persons.

    But don’t let actual science get in the way of your brilliant ability to draw conclusions by eyeballing graphs

    So much of what of posted here about COVID is so obviously statistical nonsense it is hard to know where to start. How about this: correlation does not mean causation. When you learn what that means you might understand that posting graphs and making ideologically convenient claims about the reason for the shape is not meaningful.

    1. Do you read what you post? That’s an apples to oranges comparison. Non covid deaths among elderly vaccinated people? Besides, if you haven’t been paying attention Fauci and the CDC have been caught lying too often for anyone to believe a thing they say. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, but the same can’t be said for Berenson. But the government would never lie to you or manipulate the data and your mind, right?

    2. From the conflict of interest section of the report.

      “All authors have completed and submitted the International Committee of Medical Journal Editors form for disclosure of potential conflicts of interest. Runxin Huang reports support for attending meetings or travel from Dynavax Technologies. Nicola P. Klein reports institutional support from Pfizer, Sanofi Pasteur, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, and Protein Science (now Sanofi Pasteur to support vaccine studies). Elizabeth G. Liles reports research contracts from the National Human Genome Research Institute and Pfizer. Kerresa Morrissette reports research contracts from the National Institutes of Health, GlaxoSmithKline, and Merck Sharp & Dohme Corporation, outside the submitted work. No other potential conflicts of interest were disclosed.”

      With NIH’s and NIAID’s (Fauci) 5 billion the only other source of funding for virology research the results they get are no surprise.

    3. “So much of what of posted here about COVID is so obviously statistical nonsense”

      I call BS.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34018389/

      Most nursing home patients have a short remaining life expectancy, but vaccination may, in a few cases, have accelerated a process of dying that had already begun. Nursing home patients should still be given priority for vaccination, but the benefits versus risk must be carefully weighed up for the frailest patients.

      There are many more like this. We actually do our research, unlike you.

    4. @ TimG The opposite result can be found in the UK data. Of course, when you strip out the ‘got a second shot within the last two weeks’ group from the purebloods, a radically different picture emerges.

    5. Tim, the report you link only used a fifteen day window post vaccination (with an unvaccinated comparator group) for adverse events and only a seven day window for deaths. This will capture some early safety signals but it is not giving us good information over the long term. They had to limit their time frame because their control group was getting vaccinated immediately following. Not sure this is really saying what you think it is.

  9. Of course the facts don’t matter to our masters. They never suffer the consequences of ignoring them.

  10. “weekly average deaths and all-cause excess mortality rates, the ultimate litmus test of whether or not health policies are working against the Covid pandemic, are failing to decline among elderly populations”.

    As has been mentioned many times, the elderly die. It’s what they do. If they don’t die of covid they die of something else. This is why excess mortality rates aren’t falling. They are dying anyway. Status quo for the old and frail. Imagine if death rates for the elderly started to fall drastically. It would be a miracle.

  11. … weekly average deaths and all-cause “excess mortality rates,” … are failing to decline among elderly populations… Perhaps because they never rose significantly either.

  12. So we are to believe that governments that promote abortion and euthanasia, and who really didn’t give a shIt about respiratory deaths in the elderly ever, now have great concern for the elderly.

    Still waiting to see any government promote a protocol of vitamin d, zinc, quercetin to bolster immune system and fight covid.

    Reduce deaths and hospitalizations by 85%. Everyone gets it and becomes immune.

    But then there would be no build back bankrupt

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