33 Replies to “Obviously They Need More Money”

  1. I’m sure that someone will answer that First Nation Schools need more money…

    “The province announced the 2019-2020 school board funding on Friday, and it shows that boards will get $12,246 per pupil”

    but they already have more money than Ontario School Boards…

    1. If you take your province’s total operating and capital expenditure on schools and add the Federal and municipal spending then divide it by the total number of students you are likely to come to a figure higher that $14K per student. In Alberta I once calculated it to be as high as $20k. This does not include future spending needed to meet pension obligations.

      So, clearly, they are under funded!

      In Alberta a home-schooled kid gets between 5 and 10 percent of this amount with at least half of that going to the school board.

  2. But finishing grade 12 is a complete symbol of “whiteness”. Why does anyone care whether they have grade 12 or not? Surely they aren’t interested in just perpetuating colonial systems that discriminate against “traditional ways of knowing”, by continuing with something as stultifying as “grade 12”?

    1. Bidin-Heiress are trying to extend FREE schooling to grade 14. They want to add two years of “cultural studies” to the curriculum… in Community college. I expect the graduation rates from grade 14 will go even lower.

      On the positive side! It’s nice to know some locality has a worse graduation rate than Oakland, CA …

      https://www.publicschoolreview.com/california/oakland-unified-school-district/628050-school-district

      Please note that both math and reading test scores are cratering in the Oakland school district … but the graduation rates are improving significantly. Yes … the District is “graduating” completely incompetent students. Because it’s all the “white mans” knowledge anyway. Eyes aints gots time fer dat.

  3. Any time you hear a whiny Indian story, its always about the money, and the need for more of it.

    1. Intellectually inferior people will tend to succeed at intellectually lower rates. Accept nature.

  4. Isn’t money a racist white commodity. To recognize the horror of this racist tactic we need to stop giving them white money. Not sarc at all.

  5. Back in 1984 only 2% of native students graduated Grade 12. I wrote a paper on it back then and the information shocked me to say the least. There was a Cree guy in my Grade who was super thoughtful, decent and proud of his heritage. He was a friend and it didn’t even occur to me that he was one of the 2% that would see a cap and gown that year. If 15% are making it that far it is a significant improvement. But something foundational needs to change to get native kids over 50% grad rate.

    2. That’s assuming that they actually earned their grades.

      During my time at Armpit College, we had a number of natives go through our department. To be honest, I don’t remember most of them actually graduating.

      One, in particular, suspiciously managed to get close and I think was eventually granted a diploma. She was a nice kid, but she knew how to play the game, too. One department administrator liked her a lot and I’m pretty sure that he arranged to have some of her grades pumped up to 50% in order that she could graduate.

      It’s a shame if that’s how it happened because she was bright and could have actually earned her diploma had she applied herself.

      And, yes, they do have the ability to succeed. Many years ago, I knew a law student who happened to be a native. He and his wife were a nice church-going couple. I never heard of him complaining about his race or how bad his people had it.

      I suspect he earned his place and he eventually was a appointed as a provincial judge.

      1. A park near my parents place is a construction zone right now as the government wastes millions on new pedestrian bridges and a parking lot to replace the ones that were still in good shape. On the hoarding by the children’s playground they’ve recently hung a piece of artwork that most assumed was painted by the local children (it looks like a somewhat talented group of 8 year olds did it) . It turns out it was a commisioned piece created an indigenous artist who is attending the Ontario College of Art and Design. I get that art is subjective but this was pure shite and something tells me this student didn’t get accepted based on his talent. No one seems to know how much he was paid for it but I’m sure it wasn’t cheap.

        Don’t get me wrong, there are many talented indigenous artists but this one? Not so much

    3. 15% Making it now could be an improvement or a reflection of declining standards.

    4. Graduation rates and just about every other indicator of succcess are higher in BC where they have not entered into treaties. They are more successful when they statyed away from the gubmint teat. That will probably change as they get better at milking the borrowed cow.

    5. Certain cultures respect education. The Scots (who invented the modern world) had free education for boys back in the late 1500’s; the Jewish people have ALWAYS respected education; Asians, by and large, have respect for education (and business). And the countries which treat women and children (especially girls) well, do well.

      These are just my observations over the last 50 years.

  6. Friend of mine got a call late yesterday from a frantic relative with a contract on the nearby reserve. Seems they had a big cement project and none of the local workers showed up. Could he please come right away and try to salvage something?

    They didn’t succeed. The entire pile of cement, wasted, because the locals couldn’t be bothered to show up for work. It’s a cultural thing. Why work when you just blame whitey and demand more money?

    Oh that’s so racist.

  7. My niece quit after teaching one year at a reserve up north. She said it was like herding cats.

    1. There are some gimmee programs to educate ethnic Indian school teachers. Problem is they’d rather teach off reserves.

  9. Okay, age old question. You graduate from school with increasingly useless chunk of paper.

    Off to where? Reserves have NO employment, NO prospects for use of individual intelligence. Just graduate, hang around, collect government handouts.

    Self Esteem, Self Worth, pride in your person and accomplishments? PFFT, simply can’t happen “on reserve” , if you have a dollar more than your relative, near or distant, they are coming for it.

    Truly sad, but until they pursue employment, most likely “off” reserve, build their own space and future. It will never end, regardless of dollars tossed at issue.

    Reserves are prisons, no matter how they are sold, build capacity within/without, otherwise simply a cesspool of failure and suffering.

    Work and self worth are key. The Feds and corrupt native admin are the problem, not solution.

    My two bits.

    3. I worked at a mine near 4 reserves. The company set up apprenticeship programs with all 4 reserves. 3 years later, one of the bands (with 3 graduate apprentices) asked for a change to the rules. All of the graduates immediately left the reserve. The moment they had money, and skills. They asked that their younger people get jobs that didn’t teach them anything valuable so that they wouldn’t leave their families/the reserve.

  11. I went to highschool next to a reservation and by grade 10 all the indigenous students had dropped out except for a handful.

  12. Who needs an education when the IiberaIs are busy forking out “reconciIiation doIIars” in exchange for votes?

    The greater the perceived suffering, the greater the payoff. That is why they are caIIed “survivors” instead of “former students”…etc..etc…

    It’s aII just a game. the IiberaIs wiII pIay aIong with the “Indian industry” and hand out our money as Iong as it gets them eIected. Too bad aII the money goes to Iawyers, activists, academics and “experts.”

  13. What…is this another grade 12 step program?
    Stop with the race stuff. In my day, lots of us “whiteys” also dropped out of high school in the 1970s, and headed west for work, along with our “Indian” brothers. Plant trees, etc.
    Many of us did ok in the long run.
    So did our First Nations buddies. Some of us even improved our station, from northern Ontario working class spawn to become actual middle class white collar peeps.
    There are many nuanced stories to be told my friends.
    I could tell you some good ones that go against the stupid narrative.
    Peace.

    1. Depends on the individual and the tribe. I stayed at the Mohave Reserve resort in Nevada some years ago. Great place 100% employment and they had to bring whites in to fill gaps. Same thing in Osoyoos. I went to school with a Mohawk girl who became a lawyer. Depends entirely on the band/tribe and the leadership. In my area the two reserves are full of whiners who want constant handouts but don’t feel they need to work, except for raiding white farms of course. Whitey owes them.

  14. The ‘standard’ is lower all the way through the system. The law school at the U/Sask has a aboriginal program. The native students get an exemption
    from some required courses like commercial law as they are not part of the native experience.

    These guys graduate with a law degree the same as students who have to do the full curriculum.

    The native high schools are even more derelict in following provincial guidelines. The teachers don’t care and neither do the students.

    1. Oh of course for you people any success by any aboriginal is because of lower standards or because they got help from some teacher/prof after all how could they succeed without the wipepo help

  15. The Liberals throw money at problems, ANY problem, because to the sheep it looks like they are doing something solid.

    The issue of education is quite complex but simply if the students, parents and teachers don’t care, there will be no success. You may have a student who wishes to succeed but if his parents and teachers are indifferent, his academic career will go only so far.

    Don’t get me started on the “traditional knowledge” garbage.

  16. It’s not their race, it’s their culture that’s the problem. And not Aboriginal culture – rez culture.

  17. Here’s an American Indian who went far:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Herrington

    It’s a tradition that when American astronauts went into orbit on the space shuttle, they were allowed to bring along some personal effects and decorate their cubicles. Herrington brought some artifacts of his people and proudly put them on display.

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