Wuhan Flu: Lung Disease Or Blood Disease?

Gain of Function Wuhan Flu 139 Comments

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Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that they also play a key role in the disease itself.

The paper, published on April 30, 2021, in Circulation Research, also shows conclusively that COVID-19 is a vascular disease, demonstrating exactly how the SARS-CoV-2 virus damages and attacks the vascular system on a cellular level. The findings help explain COVID-19’s wide variety of seemingly unconnected complications, and could open the door for new research into more effective therapies. […]

In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.

What could possibly go wrong?

Read that press release from top to bottom and search for the dog that’s not barking.

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139 Replies to “Wuhan Flu: Lung Disease Or Blood Disease?”

  1. I’m curious to see how the many problems with monthlies (duckduckgo “covid menstruation”) turn out. Why is is that a long-time global population activist would sign on as an (unproven vaccine) approver?

    1. There also appears to be one case where a breast feeding baby got sick and died following its mother’s vaccination. Coincidence?

      2. It “appears”? Stop spreading this crap, it’s not helpful and you are revealing your stupidity in spades!

        1. Did you read the report? The child in question was previously healthy, died of TTP. Only exposure was the child’s breastfeeding mother who had their second dose of the vaccine two days prior.

          This may be rare, but women who are breastfeeding deserve to be told of even minuscule risks. I say that as a mother who is currently breastfeeding.

          1. The part that caught my eye was the blood clotting in the baby, among other things. The child’s progression fit a pattern shall we say.

        2. There definitely was a case and Batcracker gave the VAERS ID number. Everything I said was true. I asked a question that should be asked.

          Even if I were stupid, I’m not, in fact I have a Ph.D. in chemistry, what difference would it make? Get over it and deal with the facts.

          1. So a Phd that has never heard of synchronicity. Where did you get it mailed from. An outlier until other instances appear. Get over yourself.

  2. That vague, unfocused sense of dread that I’ve been experiencing about the massive human experiment we’ve been engaged in?
    It just got more focused. :-/

  3. So, all of that hootin’ and hollerin’ about that wonder-cure vaccine might have been for nothing? Passing off a placebo consisting of, say, water as the advertised gunk would be about as effective, isn’t as dangerous, and would provide a bigger return on the investment.

    2. Dr. Moving Goalposts strikes again …
      https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2021/05/03/web-extra-dr-anthony-fauci-on-the-mystical-terminology-of-herd-immunity
      Dr. Fauxci says the US may NEVER reach herd immunity.

      Now, I don’t want to claim this was in response to my simple math exercise that proves we’ve already reached herd immunity a few days ago … but … the timing of Fauxci now claiming the GOAL of herd immunity is “elusive” … and “just a guess” … is really, really, creepy.

  4. Sure is a good thing 99.8% of those who get IT recover. I wonder just what the next problem will turn out to be?

  5. Please excuse me being thick but this bit from the article: “proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease”.
    Isn’t it the spike protein that’s in (some of) the vaccines?

    1. No. What’s in the “vaccines” is a program which causes your cells to make the protein.
      There is no off switch.

      2. Mostly correct. Most cells in the body are being replaced continuously so those that have been exposed to the vaccine will eventually die off and be replaced. Cells lining the lungs are replaced every three months or so. However some types of cells are not replaced or lie dormant as stem cells until needed to replacement and repair. So some of those cells, if infected, might carry and express the cells for the rest of your life.

        1. By “no off switch” I didn’t mean that it won’t break down, I meant that there is no intervention which can bring it to a halt.

          2. mRNA itself has a limited lifespan in the endoplasmic reticulum of the cell where ribosomes and tRNA translate it into proteins. There are lots of “off switches”, but they are not well understood, but there is no doubt whatsoever that mechanisms exist within cells to halt the translation of proteins from mRNA, mechanisms that are far from understood, otherwise each cell would essentially drown in the proteins its already building from mRNA transcribed from our own DNA.

      3. Speaking of off switches, every vaccinated person is an opportunity for reverse transcription and here are some ways reverse transcription can happen as well as some thoughtful speculation on failure modes. https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2021/02/15/breaking-study-sheds-more-light-on-whether-an-rna-vaccine-can-permanently-alter-dna/ He doesn’t mention the line 1 pathway that was in a recent paper and possibly more routes are out there. I am also mildly disappointed he didn’t come up with a failure mode of people developing allergies to protein shed from altered individuals. People GMO is the new cat.
        The novel experimental point unfolding is the engineered stability of the synthetic RNA (in the RNA vaccines), providing for a longer residence time for reverse transcription to happen. If you bleed when you get the shot you’ve got contact with the blood stream. Who knows where this stuff ends up.
        We’ll see what happens in the coming years and that goes for the whole viron trials vs ADE.

      4. Which, by the way, may also have the potential to effect an auto-immune response from your own body. In other words, your body will attack itself, thinking the spike is a foreign body and must be killed by any means by the immune system.

        Speculative, yes. Time will tell what playing God with our DNA and immune systems will bear.

        Nuremburg Trials 2.0

    3. Depends on the vaccine. The Novavax one, now deep in Phase 3 trials, puts spike proteins into your body. Ok, they call them nanoparticles, kind of a star anise shaped disc of spike proteins. I’d had high hopes for this one, but now knowing that just having the spikes in your body is damaging, not a chance in heck I’m getting this one if it’s ever EUAed.
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/novavax-covid-19-vaccine.html

      https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-alters-genes-long-haulers/

      And yes, it’s a vascular disease. It just took them a while to figure this out, as the primary infection site is the lungs. But then we heard the virus lived longer in the intestines. Then they noticed all this side effect organ damage going on, sometimes now, sometimes later. Likely caused by hypoxia, which means the hemoglobin isn’t carrying enough O2. And the whole nitric oxide treatment thing. And how these repurposed SSRI meds (fluvoxamine, thorazine) deal with the S1R protein in your brain to limit cytokine production, harbinger of that cytokine storm, which goes on because your leukocytes (white blood cells) go nuts. And don’t forget the sepsis aspect, which is generally crap in your bloodstream. So it’s all blood related, interwoven, and complicated. Makes me want to run out and buy a Seraph Microbind blood filter cartridge or two of my very own, just in case. EUAed for over a year for cleaning the Covid out of your blood.

  6. The vaccines currently used all use the mRNA(Pfizer and Moderna) or DNA(J&J, Astra Zeneca)carried by an adenovirus into the cells, to trick the body into producing spike proteins to produce an immune response. I haven’t seen any research as to how long the vaccinated produce these proteins. The first human trial recipients received theirs last August. How are they doing? Success was measured on whether they produced antibodies not their longterm health. I fear Bill Gates is about to fulfill his wish.

    1. I hate to tell you this but those who are currently taking the shots are part of the research. There has been no testing as per vaccine protocols for any length of time. In the limited amount of animal testing done all the animals died, all of them. We will not not have any idea just what problems may result from this massive experiment, and will have to view other countries records regarding deaths and adverse reactions, as Canada’s health officials are hiding them in Canada. Over 7,766 have died in Europe as of April 17th and in America 3,486 have died as of April 20th. Do you think that is acceptable?

      1. No phases have been skipped. Zero. What they did was overlap them, which doesnt normally haplen.

        HTH

        1. Try to keep up. The vaccines are not FDA approved, for example. The long term effects are unknown.
          That’s why vaccinate 16+ is ludicrous and presents unnecessary harm. If vulnerables are protected, so what.

          Instead we get deer in the headlights guilt trips about someone not wearing a mask which somehow kills some in-care senior who got covid from a staff member, irrational fears and unsupported poppycock that all “phases” are complete.

          Society loses freedom and intimacy while ditherers with zero skin the game decide we must all be vaccinated, just to make sure don’t you know, and have to accept the new normal of giant debt, low interest rates and inflation.

          Their “precautionary principle,” which states even if there is even the tiniest risk to society statists must take over.

          This is but a presage, they know they can’t keep us locked down forever, they must let us return to full economy so they can milk us further with climate change lockdowns for your own good because wind turbines are useless.

          And we let them. By voting for them or splitting our votes with each other, handing it all to the fascists, now pining for a good white supremacist showdown, giddy with the race baiters’ success in the Antisocial States of America.

          No. Prove it, all of. Where is the science about vaccinating the whole population, many of whom will already have developed immunities? Meanwhile the vulnerable continue to catch covid and negligent government blames citizens.

          Covid passports will seem like an easy thing soon. Just get your shots every year. Climate change passports are the next new thing, along with international corporate taxes and negative net return government bonds.

          With costly renewals.

          NB – noticed quite the China connection. I’m sure the Chinese-American scientists weren’t financed by China. Right?

          2. In the U.S., the FDA is being pressured to fast track full approval to remove restraints that are imposed by vacs being under Emergency Use Authorization. For instance, being able to fire employees for not taking a jab will be more straightforward.

          3. and it may be coming to Canada, Scissor, no surprise there.

            I received a corporate email yesterday, that danced around the issue, without directly stating it. Luckily, I do have a 100% WFH status already, though there could be intermittent office visits, when/if a form of normalcy returns.

            That or they package me out for being non-compliant, that sounds much more attractive anyways, more attractive than getting the mRNA gene changing “therapy”

      2. Well, they stopped passing the virus on didn’t they, being dead. So there is that.

        1. Think of all that CPP and OAS they “saved”, so all those new arrivals can start their new lives in Kan-eh-duh.

      3. 11,000 Dead eh..No surprise there whatsoever OWG ….I’m thinking the Scum that perpetrated this entire shit show are rather pleased with themselves as far as their INITIAL crap injections are doing.

        I have no doubt that those who go for the 2nd /3rd shot will simply amplify their vulnerability to this genocidal campaign.

        GENOCIDE folks….as has been said many times before, they want us all dead. From Maurice Strong to Bill Gates – that has Always been the goal: Human de-population.

        Take the Vaccine..?? YOU Are the Animal being tested.

  7. Neighbour got the shot. A couple weeks later has a stroke. Fortunately she’s fully recovered from the stroke.
    Good thing she doesn’t have to worry about Covid. /s

    I’m taking ivermectin and not worrying either.

    1. Take Vitamins B, C, & D 5000 IU per day.
      Add zinc if you have symptoms.
      Updated regularly nojabforme.info

      1. don’t forget the magnesium, twice as much calcium, and some vitamin K. NAC every other day, and a cuercetin at least once a week. Eat a couple brazil nuts each day for the natural selenium, and try to eat shellfish or saltwater fish at least once a week. But even just the D, B, C will help a lot.

      2. Bob..

        My question is why NOT one of the 12 CDN Health Fascists have said a Damned thing about Proper Vitamin Intake – knowing Full Fking well that it’s Crucial to Immune system health – let alone having humans interact physically.

        All the BS they’ve tried and continue to ram down our collective throats is 180 Degrees opposite of what we SHOULD be bloody well doing. Our IMMUNE systems Require daily doses of bacterial / viral material to stay Strong……and by eliminating those things is setting us ALL UP for a REAL deadly viral outbreak…(LOCKSTEP..??)

        Totally Assinine and I fully believe it’s on PURPOSE. This shit-show is a Full Court Press using everything & anything to Eliminate those whose systems are on the borderline of being non Functional.

        I Pray for Reiner Fuellmich that he is successful in his bid for a NUREMBERG 2.0 based on the UTTER LIE of the PCR test. The line ups to the gallows should be LONG

  8. Who are the bastards we can sue?

    Didn’t Justin and Sophie get the spike in their dramatic vaccine photo-op?

    1. That’s the thing about “emergency approvals”. The testing isn’t completed, so informed consent can’t be granted. The governments have assumed the risk of negative reactions.

      You want to sue your government? Good luck with that. Who owns all of the judges (and signs their paychecks)?

    2. They posed and got photos of getting stuck with a needle.

      Could have been saline solution only

    3. Liz J

      The Entire Body Politic in Canada: From Big city mayors on up the LIBERAL/NDP/Globalist chain
      MSM – Everyone of them
      Every Health Minister and their seconds
      Every Health Mouthpiece and their seconds

      All of whom are 100% Complicit in Crimes Against Humanity…IMO.

  9. Sorry Kate but this time you are plain wrong. They made and tested a mock virus incapable of replication and, hence, incapable of causing an infection. This paper does NOT describe a gain-of-function experiment. Instead, it describes an animal model on which drugs and vaccines can be tested. This is how scientists find answers.

    As for your cryptic comment, you are probably refering to the fact that many of the authors are Chinese, paid by China. I see nothing wrong here. China should recognize their guilt and pay the bill for all the research on this virus, both in money and manpower.

    1. I think you are wrong, Manny. The empty virus with the spike protein used in the mRNA caused illness due to the spike protein itself. The theory related to this shot was that creating the (supposedly harmless on its own) spike protein [which latched onto the ACE2 on the cells to gain access to the interior of the cell] would allow the cells to create the (harmless) spike protein and then create antibodies. But whoops! The spike protein alone causes the disease and so the human becomes a disease factory.
      So sad, too bad.

      1. Exactly right Mary.

        I’ve been looking at injury from vaccination of children and teenagers and I’m coming to the opinion that deaths from vaccination will be comparable to numbers from the disease itself. What’s worse, inevitably, some children that survived the illness will be killed by a vaccine. Do your own analysis here are sources for some relevant data.

        https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data
        https://www.openvaers.com/

    2. The problem is that you simply can’t trust China. They lie. So even when they are telling the truth, you can’t be sure.

      That’s the problem with communism, everything becomes politicized to the point that even potentially deadly situations will be obfuscated to serve political purpose. See Chernobyl.

    3. “China should recognize their guilt and pay the bill for all the research on this virus, both in money…”

      Yes, of course. But the fact is, a society that lacks the courage to put a bell on the Sino-cat sure as hell ain’t going to stop it from using the world as its litter box.

    4. Having not yet read the original publication as a caveat, I disagree. The paper suggests that the spike protein by itself can bind the ACE receptor and cause effects just by that binding. (I would surmise that as is the case in so many receptors, having something bind to it sends a signal to the nucleus to change the subset of proteins being produced by the cell.)

      Assuming that is correct, then the vaccines make the cells shed the spike proteins. The shed spike proteins would then, in theory, have the ability to bind to the ACE receptor in adjacent cells.

      The result, assuming all of this is correct, is really really really scary. It would explain things like individuals getting false negative COVID (as reported by Pfizer) which are currently explained as being people getting infected before the vaccine has the time to work. The original Pfizer application has several hundred of these “false negative COVID” cases occurring in the six days after getting the vaccine. The explanation would be that those people got sick because the spike protein from taking the vaccine was being produced, and binding the victim’s ACE receptors. It would also explain the shedding effect currently considered the purview of conspiracy loons with overactive imaginations.

  10. Manny: the virus in AZ and J&J is a vector incapable of reproducing itself, its sole role is to enter a human cell ie it is a pseudovirus, to present the engineered DNA inserted into it for the cell to manufacture the spike. Because it contains DNA rather than mRNA it is more stable and can be stored at higher temperatures.

    1. It still can kill and still cannot prevent getting the virus or spreading the virus.

  11. I have held out getting the vaccine, but pressure from family to get it is intense. Reading this article, I am now more than ever, sceptical. I am 72 years old. Should I or shouldn’t I? Got 4 days to think about it.

    2. I am taking the noble position that I can self isolate and be safe and I am waiting until everyone who wants the vaccine (like first responders) can get it first. You can always change your mind and get the vaccine later.

      1. You can’t spread something you don’t have, and you can’t get something from someone else that they don’t have.

    3. Mike ur age really isn’t an issue …. the age effect is a result of many older folks being obese, diabetic, having high blood pressure or other cardiac issues, vitamin D deficient (ur body isn’t as efficient at making D as u age).
      So if u are a healthy 72 year old ur plan to let everyone else get the shot isn’t a bad one. Eat right and take vit D get lots of sun ie over 20 minutes per day and enjoy life.
      If u are in less than great health get the shot.
      I will probably get the shot since like u the pressure to get it from family and friends is HUGE …. I just turned 67 so 5 years behind u.
      I wouldn’t be surprised to see proof of vaccine necessary to book a flight or cross the border by this fall when the cold & flu season returns.

    4. I am a wee bit older and I will not be taking it based on all the information that is available.

        1. 69 and Ditto.

          No faux nanite infusion “vaccine” required. Take all my Vitamins daily..have so, for near 2 decades & surprise surprise, have not been Sick WHAT so ever since…cannot fathom why..??

          As to Family..?? am in same boat.

          1. Ditto for me 77. Following
            Dr Zelenko recommendation .. quercetin + zinc + vitamin C and D

    5. Mike Power, only you can answer that question. I’ve been saying from the beginning that Wu Flu would tear families apart and, with the introduction of the “vaccine,” it’s only going to get worse.

      I haven’t had any pressure from my family yet, but it’s coming. The few I’ve spoken to have had their shots (so far, so good). Back-to-back family reunions have been canceled (May 2020 and 2021) and families are still booking separate cottage holidays. But I know my family and when the time comes when they feel safe enough to gather together, vaccination will be required. How do I know this? Because they have been terrified since day one, prisoners in their own homes, afraid to go out, waiting for a “vaccine.”

      How you answer your own question may depend on your relationship with your family. This probably isn’t helping you but ultimately, you have to decide yourself and be content with it.

      1. That’s my situation too, OntarioKate.
        Major relentless extended-family Covid fear from day one (50+ people ranging in age from 96 down to 2, spread across Canada + Chicago + North Carolina + Florida), which has now morphed into ‘vaccine worship’. Weekly family Zooms reinforce/stoke their fears! I’m the only one (age 73) who has been consistently skeptical of the entire drama …also the only one who is a big fan of Trump who thinks Fauci & ALL Democrats and Tam & ALL Liberals are ALL completely full of $#!t.

        We used to travel often to see our kids and grandkids in the U.S., but no travel since Feb. 2020. I reluctantly got jabbed with Pfizer once in April (2nd booked for August) simply due to family pressures + my assumption that vax passports will be needed for our future travel.

        Here I sit, KNOWING that this Kabuki drama is potentially very dangerous bull$#!t, but 14 months of relentless media & family pressure has made me throw up my hands in surrender just to make the family noise stop. I hate myself for it.

        1. I could have written that, Davers6, though I’m a few years younger

      2. Yes Ontario Kate it is my decision, and looks like I am not the only one pressured by family. Like someone else said here, I will probably throw up my hands and go get it and hang the consequences. How can you say no to a brother who says Mike I love you please get the vaccine. His son and granddaughter both tested positive. And I don’t want any obstacles in the way of me visiting brothers and sisters. But a quandary for more than just me it seems.

        1. Mike, I truly feel for you. I don’t know you or your family dynamic but I know mine (manipulative) and I know how hard it is to say “no.” Sometimes, you just have to pick your battles and choose the hill you’re willing to (figuratively) die on.

        2. You say, “I love you, but the risks just don’t seem to outweigh the benefits. It’s a personal decision, I hope you can respect that, as I have respected yours.”

          Hopefully sanity will prevail soon.

        3. Mike you could always lie and say you had it. That’s what my neighbour across the highway did because her daughter would not let her see her grandchildren until she did. She called it her little white lie.

    6. I don’t understand why pressure from families is happening, since the vaccine does not protect against transmission. You not getting the vaccine is not threatening them, since they are vaccinated. (In their minds, anyway). What are the arguments they are using to pressure you? People behave as though we don’t have a natural immune system. Don’t forget the Diamond Princess — most people did not die, and many did not get sick.

      1. Quit being so logical, Linda!
        I’ve been saying ALL those logical things for over a year to ZERO effect. After your spouse + numerous in-laws (my wife is the oldest of 6 sisters) + our adults kids & their spouses + adult married nieces & nephews + my very healthy 96-year old ma-in-law ….married males of my Boomer generation have learned to just STFU and go along to get along; happy wife, happy life.

        The relentless badgering of the family mob made my ears bleed when I pushed back and resisted their emotionalism with LOGIC (for many months), so I surrendered and (thank God) their endless pressure has stopped. My revenge will be NO winter invites to any of them to our Florida place when this ends.

        1. You got the shot just to shut them up? Not even to spend time with them?

          That is the definition of emotionalism. The logical response would be to ask them to avoid the topic, or simply stop talking to them.

          This is how tyranny takes hold. Peer pressure. It takes more courage to fight that than anything.

          1. I agree with you Deb. First I had to deal with TDS and now it the vaccine. I just say I’m waiting until it is no longer an experimental vaccine with emergency approval. My body. My choice.

      2. LindaL, I truly believe they don’t know anything about the “vaccine,” namely, that it won’t prevent transmission, won’t provide immunity, won’t prevent death, etc. Mention the Diamond Princess and no one knows what you’re talking about. They get their information from CBC, BBC, CNN, The Toronto Star, and FaceBook.

        1. And that’s the problem: 24/7 FEAR PORN From the usual suspects: Govt – MSM.

      3. 15 months of hysterical propaganda.

        Yes I often bring that up. It was an unintended laboratory for this disease. Rarely mentioned in the media after the passengers were released; I wonder why. Didn’t fit the hysterical story-line?

    7. We got the Moderna in Florida, largely due to pressure from family and also in the hopes it would make our travel easier. I figured that since I am over 70 it doesn’t much matter if I have some long term issues and we have had no problems. Part of the decision was because two of our family are expecting babies in the near future and they wanted there to be less risk. Please no vaccine for healthy people not at risk, especially children! Weigh your risks, read all you can and proceed accordingly.

    8. These are the times where I’m glad I was in a job where I sometimes had to be the bad guy giving bad news. I think learning to be confident in your work and to be able to resist being guilted/ bullied into changing your recommendations a valuable experience.

      My advice would to be a firm no followed by saying you’re waiting for conventional vaccines or treatments that you’re more comfortable with and then change the subject. I just straight out asked my close (vaccinated) friends if my decision to wait bothers them. None were concerned and I don’t discuss their decision to get vaccinated. Respecting other’s autonomy and minding your own business is apparently an old fashioned virtue that needs to be revived, imo.

    9. Mike, I’m 72 as well, and no matter how much pressure from family, friends or government, will I EVER agree to have that crap put in me. Your body, your choice!
      Fortunately, I have no pressure from anyone “yet”, but I’ll stand my ground if that happens. The missus had the Moderna vax the day after Easter, and she’s been in emergency twice since, plus a five day stay at the hospital for pneumonia and a visit for pleurisy…so far. I warned her, but she only listens to me after the fact…sigh!

  13. All of the sudden the crazy conspiracy theory loons pushing the false “shedder” theory may not be so crazy after all.

      1. Alan
        “nutjob Conspiracy”

        ahhh yes…the Classic LEFTIST Smarmy Arrogant and Beyond IGNORANT Response Aka cognitive dissonance in spades.

        You out yerself PERFECTLY.

    2. I never thought it was crazy. The vaccines (except whole viron) are in the business of hijack and print. The printed protein is expressed from the cell by design so that our immune system can learn it. There is no magic barrier to prevent the outer layer skin cells from participating in the process, so why wouldn’t there be some external shed potential? The pfizer protocol has a safety section calling for tracking of partners of participants that are exposed via skin contact or inhalation during the baby making process to be pregnancy progression monitored. What exactly were they thinking, if not shed? First time I saw that NYT graphic showing proteins on the outer surface of the production cell as well as expressed free, I thought why wouldn’t some immune systems recognize this as self (ADE) others recognize as enemy (auto immune disease) and could some people have an allergy type reaction to the vaccinated via shed? PS it’s funny I linked the update where line 1 is talked about in the previous link so he does cover it.

  16. In the mean time, Canada is gearing up for vaccine passports, with the support of most Canadians. I don’t think most Canadians realize how experimental the current vaccines are. I also don’t think they realize that the vaccines involve genetic intervention. Likely many vaccine “enthusiasts” oppose frankenfoods. I suspect they do not see the parallels. The vaccines are tampering with the natural immune system. Does not seem like a good idea to me.
    V. Passports: https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/05/01/canada-will-require-a-vaccine-passport-for-entry/?sh=590cf4ba1a71

    1. I think Canadians love to virtue signal and having a vaccine passport would be a participation trophy. It’s beyond disgusting!

    3. I think the dog that isn’t barking is the off the shelf nature of the spike protein. Remember the paper from a wuhan researcher that had an abstract and title that was basically “I inserted a spike protein into a corona virus so it can infect human cells via ACE 2 – yay”?

      1. But I had trouble with that; it is called a “corona” virus because of its spikes; there are several types of corona virus, it’s a familly. SO they added a spike to a spkied virus?

        1. Why? If they called it Key vs Crown and the former key was for bats and bats and the new edited key was for humans would you have trouble?

    4. I’m glad the wife and I have had the opportunity to travel overseas the last 5 years, twice to Mexico, 4 times to Hawaii, plus weekend adventures to Washington.
      If these toxic passports are enabled, we will still not take the woohoo goo injections, probably forever, isn’t worth it!

      Still not worth experimenting on our bodies.

      As said elsewhere, the same crowd that is against GMO foods, eat organic and vegan, and hate Monsanto, are marching headstrong into their own personal genetic modification program without hesitancy.

  17. Wait long enough and conventional attenuated virus vaccines are out. Also therapeutic drugs are now being tested with very impressive results. Israel leading the way with these results

    If you are eating carbs of any kind, sugar and seed oils ie canola oil. Stop. This stuff is killing us giving us heart disease, diabetes and dementia. Probably is also what’s causing massive sexuality issues with kids as well.

    This is an insulin resistance epidemic. It’s not a virus epidemic.

    1. The Krebs cycle is specifically geared to getting energy out of carbs. A healthy digestive system need fiber, which are long chain carbs. Also, wtf does “insulin resistance” mean? Most symptoms seem to be respiratory, not blood sugar level related.

      1. First saw the term “insulin resistance” on a TV ad selling a snake oil weight loss regime. Apparently would make your middle age big gut go away so you could try and pick up young women I suppose. Some people are just natural chumps.

    2. True about carbs and seed oils. Doesn’t apply to sexuality issues. Check out the role of plastics in hormone disruption and gender dysphoria.

      1. I am reading a book called “Breath” by James Nestor. Extremely interesting and it applies to your points, as well as So What ‘s.

    3. It won’t be until the virus is isolated but that hasn’t been done yet. You’d think that by now …

  18. Folk should realize that its SOP for all vaccine manufacturers to have immunity from prosecution unless deliberate malfeasance of some sort can be proven. That goes for polio, small-pox, etc, vaccines, not just this sham of a product.

  19. I seem to remember reading an article here about a year ago that stated that CV-19 was primarily a blood disease, and not a respiratory disease. I also recall that one of the proposed reasons for the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine is that it inhibits the binding of those spike proteins to one’s cells.

    1. Yes and because Trump promoted it, the powers that be denied its effectiveness and prevented its use as much as possible. They basically acted like there was no treatment and sent people home to get sicker and sicker only to come to hospital and die. Criminal.

        1. Or Ivermectin, which has proven to be much more effective at every point of the illness, HCQ isn’t effective once someone is, basically, intubated.
          The astounding ignorance of Ivermectin usage, should be the basis of future NUREMBURG TRIALS for every MHO in this country and the excited states

          1. +1 on the Ivermectin. Quick trip to Cloverdale and stockpiled.
            For those that face “pressure”. Take a quick trip to Shoppers Drug Mart (or similar). Ask for this year’s flu shot. Get a poke in the arm, the bandaid and if people ask if you got vaccinated, you can truthfully say “Yes”. After all, the koof-vxx is not a vaxx it’s gene therapy.

          2. If there are effective safe treatments for a disease you can’t get emergency approval for an experimental treatment. Hence the abolute media and establishment castigation of HCQ and Ivermectin, and the media takedown of Dr Raoult (France) and Dr Kory (US).

    3. HCQ…? am quite glad i was able to acquire a few boxes….JIC
      right..??

      Funny how 2 or 3 of the plants producing precursor material in 2020 for HydroxyChloroQuine went up in flames eh.??
      I don’t believe in Coincidences.

  20. Is there a vaccination program in China? If not, why not? If yes, which type of vaccine?

    1. Now that’s a good question. Did the Chinese have a vaccine before the big oops? At least for ranking Communist officials and their military. We may never know. Although I keep asking what they would have done differently had they released this on purpose.

  21. Of course tgeres a difference between cells having hundreds of spike proteins on them replicating at an uncontrolled rate as the body is dealing with multiple issues and a single spike protein being produced at a controlled rate.

    1. I think you are missing something. Isn’t the idea to get our cells to produce the spike protein? Where are you getting “just one?”

      1. I didnt mean single as in only one produced I meant the protein is produced on its own not part of a cell.

  23. Husband is sitting in a dealership lounge listening to Blackie McBlackFace (thanks, Ontario John) and Peking Tam pushing the vaccine, stating Health Canada has declared all vaccines are safe. My understanding is that the vaccines haven’t been approved, only authorized (or is that only in USA?). How can you say something is safe if it’s not approved?

    2. Health Canada may have declared the vaccines safe, but since tests on the vaccines have not been completed, they simply do not know this definitively. Too many people are taken in because they don’t know how little we know. Governments take advantage of this.

  25. Hoo Boy.
    This thread is like the Tower of Babel.
    Lots of experts holding forth. Are there piles of virologists and other scientists following this site? How can anyone verify the truth amidst all these contradictory opinions?
    I am past the point of believing anything I read or hear from anyone.
    And Bill Gates is an asshole.

    1. Yeah Stevie, Bill Gates is an asshole, but the problem is, he’s a very rich, dangerous asshole, that is interfering in things he shouldn’t, and getting away with it because he’s a very rich dangerous asshole!

  26. Local MPP Jim McDonnell got vaccinated 3 or 4 weeks ago. About 2 weeks later he developed flu-like symptoms. So he went and got tested. Positive.

    The MSM / Government spin is that the vaccine hadn’t had time to fully work its magic before the virus hit him.

    1. That’s what they keep saying . . . vaccines have not had time to take effect, but this business of people getting Covid after bring injected is happening with amazing frequency. I think something else is going on.

      1. The “something else” is the sound of moving goalposts.

        The Corrupt health authorities (St Bonnie) sold these as vaccines to prevent COVID, to a desperate and pathologically paranoid public.

        Now, even she admits, these are for LESSENING THE SYMPTOMS of the disease, she dares not mention immunity.

        These are lying, deceptive creatures.

        Meanwhile, the public lemmings and sheep keep nodding and applauding St Bonnie like trained seals

        1. Hells bells…Pfizer themselves stated these were to “Treat the SYMPTOMS only”.

          Their ingrediants described as: “Synthetic Fragments entrained in a fatty Emulsion”….talk about disguising the issue or what.??

          NANITES….just like BillyGoat himself has proscribed on numerous occasions and low an behold his Patent of Mar 26, 2020 is earily leaning towards that very thing…introducing Sub Molecular Sized machines to promote “work for digital $$”

          That sick Megalomaniac should be the First person to Stand TRIAL at NUREMBERG 2.0

  28. I have a question for the several people here who are quite knowledgeable:

    – it seems the RNA from the vaccine can transcribe itself into your cells. If you have a booster (or vaccine for a different strain) every year, then more and more of your cells will have transcriptions?
    – does this apply to all gene therapy? My wife takes Dupixent (which has been wonderful) every two weeks? Do I even want to know what could be happening to her?

    Please keep it in layman terms.
    Thx

  29. They aren’t “vaccines”, when you dig down deeper on this crap. This whole Wuflu thing is a shitpile of crap. From Chinah. Still buying Chinah Crap?
    We’re arguing the number of angels on the head of a pin here. Phizer, j&j, Moderna.
    Paying heed to cell phone emergency warnings last week in Alberta, of which “get vaccinated” was clearly announced, Jason Kenney (really, Rachel Notley in a suit) today’s lecturing of people who can think for themselves and expressing their contempt for Gubmint under a Notley clone, at an organized “protest” rodeo OUTDOORS, the sign on the podium was “get vaccinated”. Is that a legal requirement now, Jason/Notley? Because I’ll never comply.
    Well then, I had to ask myself what about Roxham Road, the endless flights into Canada with no enforced quarantine, or if not vaxxed, vaxxing them before release from quarantine? Ever going to happen? Then these politicos just need to STFU or there might be more than just rodeo protests in future.
    Then, what if I think otherwise? Arrested, forcefully “quarantined for my own good” and picking cotton like the Ugyurs in China? OK, maybe canola out here. Best learn some slave ditties then……massa. Wuflu, from what I’ve discerned is just a fancier flu, now being combated with Franken Meds that for some and WHO noes how many, are worse than getting Wuflu itself. For a survival rate that’s published 99.xxx% recoverable? Why would you get “The Jab”?
    I’ll stick with my cancer drugs, thanks. They’ve kept me alive for eleven years and I don’t shed anything you can catch. I was just so thrilled with my last taxi ride from hospital, the driver informed us that he got “The Jab”. Now he thinks he’s invincible. We sunk as far back in the back seat as possible and opened both windows.
    We Hoi Polloi are being treated like concentration camp attendees by our governments who’ve forgotten who they work for.

    Some light reading: https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/ ……check the date of publication.
    https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/…..again, check the date of publication.
    Off topic? Beuhler?

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