The Children Are Our Future

World history lessons are developmentally inappropriate for seven-year-olds, who are still grasping the concepts of their city, town, and province, she said.

h/t Johnboy

From the comments – I’m tutoring some graduates of the Alberta school system. They don’t know their multiplication tables, cant write complete sentences, can’t tell a noun from a verb and haven’t a clue as to who came first, Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan or Adolph Hitler. But when we start talking about these things, they’re absolutely fascinated and feel cheated that they were never taught this material. The questions from the “remedial Language Arts” teacher were themselves completely incoherent and illiterate. No wonder their students are no better. Some hard knowledge and the ability to process information and construct complete sentences would be a refreshing return to “the old ways”.

35 Replies to “The Children Are Our Future”

  1. Funny how many of these parents who have probably bought into early learning programs don’t see the benefit of their offspring getting a broad view of the world around them.
    This looks to be a concerted effort by all the usual stakeholders to protect their turf.

  2. Public, government run education is a twentieth century model whose time has come and gone. Scrap the entire system and move on. Parents who want their kids educated will ensure that they are educated and parents who don’t care won’t, just like it is in the current system. When we have become so “diverse” that no two people can agree on anything, lets stop even trying and we can all just go our own way and do our own thing.

  3. Can’t handle a history segment on ancient Rome at that age but CAN consent to puberty blockers and demand sexual mutilation surgeries without parental consent.

    What a time to be seven years old!

  4. “But curriculum experts say the latest iteration of the document is Eurocentric, dismissive of Indigenous perspectives, and not based on research about how best to teach young children.”

    that’s the real crime, according to “experts” of the latest fads in education

    1. “But curriculum experts say the latest iteration of the document is Eurocentric, dismissive of Indigenous perspectives, and not based on research about how best to teach young children.”

      There’s probably a down side I’m not seeing.

  5. Janet French is a Dipper cheerleader. Seeing she moved to CBC from Post Media is not surprising. I would say those having a hissy fit over the curriculum are provincial civil servants that are more active in AUPE than actually working for the taxpayers.

  6. I ‘kid’ you not … a parent of my wife’s First Grade student asked her (via Zoom) … why she wasn’t teaching Black Heroes like Bobby Seale and the Black Panthers to her 1st Graders during Black History month!! “There’s more than just MLK Jr.” she said.

    First Graders

    First Graders need to learn about fire bombings, police shootings, and other “heroic” Black History. The narrative(s) have gotten completely out of hand.

  7. I started my son playing Age of Empires when he was 5 or 6. He absolutely loves history and now has a very broad view of the world.

    These people are beyond hope really. What they want is a docile compliant sheeplike society.

  8. So, in response…lots of angry protests, I bet.

    No. Eh.

    A what? A Facebook group?

    Boy, that ought to scare the arseholes, eh?

  9. Maybe Schroeter should send her kids to special needs program, the rest is satisfied with training those damn memories.
    What would you expect from a teacher, complaining about having to teach is their forte.

  10. If Alberta is doing this, what does that mean for the rest of us in Canada?!

    We’re doomed.

    You better hurry up and Wexit before you become Ontario West.

    Seriously, you’re time is running out.

    1. “If Alberta is doing this, what does that mean for the rest of us in Canada?!”

      Note – Jason Kenney is conservative in name only. His political affiliation is Opportunistic Whore.

    2. Actually the moment Alberta separates (possibly with SK) the rest of the house of cards collapses. Quebec and Ontario will go on their own. Manitoba and Territories probably become US protectorates. Maritimes join EU maybe. BC teleports to alternate dimension of fairyland and bases its economy on pixiedust and unicorn farts. Ottawa becomes a border town with blown up bridges. The bottom line is everyone (with the exception of Quebec moochers and Laurentian elites) is better off. Hopefully this can be achieved without the Yugoslavia like nightmare (Quebec playin Serbia in this scenario) and more like Czechoslovakia.

      1. Sigh. neverendum.

        Under the rules we need more than 60%. Not gonna happen, too many lefties and special interests in the big cities.

        1. Well maybe, maybe not. At one point rules will go out of the window. 1990s in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union have proven just that. Hopefully this will happen sooner than later.

          One thing for certain, if this does not happen, you may want to invest in obtaining a citizenship of another country because this one is going down the crapper.

  11. I’m tutoring some graduates of the Alberta school system. They don’t know their multiplication tables, cant write complete sentences, can’t tell a noun from a verb and haven’t a clue as to who came first, Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan or Adolph Hitler. But when we start talking about these things, they’re absolutely fascinated and feel cheated that they were never taught this material. The questions from the “remedial Language Arts” teacher were themselves completely incoherent and illiterate. No wonder their students are no better. Some hard knowledge and the ability to process information and construct complete sentences would be a refreshing return to “the old ways”.

    1. They don’t know their multiplication tables, cant write complete sentences, can’t tell a noun from a verb and haven’t a clue as to who came first, Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan or Adolph Hitler.

      It’s been that way for more than 30 years. I saw that shortly after I started teaching at Armpit College in the late 1980s.

      1. Depends on the school, BA. Knew a teacher who, beginning of every day, handed his students a sheet of arithmetic questions; they were to do as many as they could in the time allotted. Not only were they developing a sense of how numbers work, they were seeing for themselves how they were improving. As the teacher put it, the slower ones will never catch up to the faster ones, but the slower ones can still see that they are improving and that is what matters. Mind you, this teacher could yell “jump” and the class would be clinging to the ceiling. Any kid who got him as a teacher was indeed fortunate.

        Offsprings were in French immersion, and there was much more emphasis on grammar in the French program. Ended up going off and buying ESL workbooks to help them learn more about English grammar. Also would use their knowledge of French grammar to help them with English.

  12. Some of the items sound odd for kids that young but it’s not like they are going to be teaching 7-year olds about Khan’s sacking and slaughter at Nishapur or Caesar’s ravaging of the Gauls.
    The issue I have is that I’m less concerned about whether they are studying the French revolution in grade 3 than whether they are learning the basics of reading, writing and math. It’s easy for me to sit down with them and get them to listen to stories about Greek gods and armies and empires but it’s way harder to get them to do math problems…. prefer the school focus on that.

    1. False trade off, both can be taught to a much higher standard. And indeed both are taught to a much higher standard at my home. My kids go to school to socialize and breeze through the material because they are taught much more at home.

      As far as math I get that some parents may have problems with linear algebra of calculus (are they even taught in high school anymore?). But anything below that is easily accessible to an adult.

      As far as humanities there is no limit. The reason they learn so little is because the time in school is wasted. Because mutli culti crap prevents proper material to be taught. Because savages are always portrayed as noble victims. Because the only thing they learn about history is how pioneers made butter and how natives were super duper advanced, so advanced that they made long houses out of wood (imagine that). Of course they also learn how whitey appressed everyone, (by now they’re already taught to tune it out).

  13. Back in 2008 I had the joy of spending four years in a degree study after an injury wiped out my future in a trade. Maybe half a dozen kids in the program were pretty sharp and reasonably literate. The rest…wastes of skin.

    In second year there was a “critical thinking” course. The prof (an awesome guy) opened up with, “If you kids haven’t figured it out by now, the public education system has failed you and most of you will do horribly in this course.” He was spot on. I think I was the only one in my class who got along well with him.

    1. Maybe half a dozen kids in the program were pretty sharp and reasonably literate

      As an undergraduate in engineering, I had to fight to fit my Classical Studies and Ancient History minor into my course schedule. I didn’t put any effort into it because those courses weren’t counted towards my average; I just had to pass. Nonetheless, I was sailing through the courses with an A- average, and a little annoyed that I was spending that much for courses that seemed so trivial. What stunned me was that there were B.A. History majors in my classes who were struggling to make the C- necessary to pass the course. I tutored some of them.

      1. You were fortunate, Daniel. As a science major, I had to take Arts classes with majors in those subjects, and those were counted towards my average. Arts students also had to take “science” classes, but the Science faculty designed special courses for them which didn’t involve any lab work.
        As an aside, knew a geologist who – as his “Arts” course – took a geography course which proved to be a breeze. He was also taking Geomorphology at the time so – when had to write a paper on a suitable subject – chose to do field work checking out a new garbage site which was being developed some miles away. Managed to get the paper accepted by both professors (was quite open about this), and got A’s or near offer from each prof. The frosting on the cake came when he met an arts student who was complaining about the hard “Science” course he had to take. It was, of course, the Geography course.

  14. To DrD’s point above discovery math has failed. Language arts likewise.

    I’ve raised two smart (I might be blind here) kids who’ve had to learn bullshit math and have the tutoring receipts to prove it. I had to learn this nonsense just to help them with their homework. Now I’ve had to unlearn it because my job involves real math.

    With the new curriculum they restored math with algorithmic focus and stronger language development. The whole of media ignores these obvious wins.

    100% of the messaging this week in AB is on the social studies curriculum. They weirdly engage in fear mongering because OhEMGee WEE need more existential guilt over residential schools— the knashing of teeth and rending of child sized garments— in kindergarten — seems inappropriate to me. But others would disagree.

    Kenny said that the AB teachers Union is a special interest group. He’s right, they need to teach, not dictate what they are hired to teach.

    I’m pretty sure grade two is the right time for the map of Canada, not the loading order of boxcars outside of Paris in 1943.

  15. Many moons ago I had a graduate student who was well set to achieve first class honours. However, he had a problem. He had to write a thesis and no one had ever explained to him the use of full stops let along capital letters – among many other matters. We had a protracted meeting over the elements of English grammar.

    His first thesis draft turned up with all the nouns starting with capitals. I took comfort from the fact that he now knew what a noun was.

    He subsequently achieved tenure as a professor in a Canadian university that will not be named. Used to tell me sad tales of the lack of writing skills among his graduate students!

    1. As a science student, had to take “arts” courses alongside majors in those subjects. We figured that was somewhat unfair, and felt there should be a compromise. If the arts students could get away with “Rocks for Jocks” (no labs), then we figured there should be an equivalent course of “basic report writing for scientists”.

  16. Only 386 comments and the CBC has already closed commenting. It did not go in the direction planned, apparently…

  17. Have often told the story about a friend who was teaching 3rd year business students at a community college. Some were unable to calculate 15% of 100 without a calculator. How did they get to 3rd year? How did they get out of high school? How did they even get out of primary school?

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