Wuhan Flu

Wuhan Flu 122 Comments

You may have seen this piece floating around yesterday.

It’s now been taken down.

This is why journalists ought not to provide assessments but ask questions of scientists on air, try and read and point — I pointed to offending article— and then rinse, repeat. (And I never want @CT_Bergstrom mad at me.)

The thread is worth reading for the entertainment value alone.

In related developments: projections for New York City are bad. Staggeringly bad. But — at least it’s not climate change.

Landing in the hospital on a ventilator is bad. But worse is being told you can’t have one. After learning that the state’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, Gov. Andrew Cuomo came to a fork in the road in 2015. He could have chosen to buy more ventilators. Instead, he asked his health commissioner, Howard Zucker to assemble a task force and draft rules for rationing the ventilators they already had.
 
That task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. Patients assigned a red code will have the highest access, and other patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst) depending on a “triage officer’s” decision. In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugarcoat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.
 
Cuomo could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece or a total of $576 million in 2015. It’s a lot of money but less than the $750 million he threw away on a boondoggle “Buffalo Billion” solar panel factory. When it comes to state budget priorities, spending half a percent of the budget on ventilators is a no brainer.

It’s kind of a New York thing.

In more encouraging news, we may be witnessing the end of the European Union;

With Italy and Spain now bearing the brunt of COVID-19, one member state after another has turned its back on the EU charter, and battened down the hatches against foreigners, including fellow Europeans; sympathy for Syrians and Afghans has had to take a back seat as grandma expires painfully in the back bedroom.
 
Even Germany has had enough and has closed its border to many of its immediate neighbors, while the Schengen Zone, in which citizens of member states (not all of them in the EU) could travel freely, is now “verboten” to outsiders. So say “auf Wiedersehen” to the European Union as we knew it as the Europeans remember the joys and protective uses of nationalism, and those more interested in national survival than the Brussels pipe dream follow Britain out the door.

When this is over, we need a return to the 1960’s relationship with China.

There is no link, because that’s me talking.

Stay home.

122 Replies to “Wuhan Flu”

  1. The end of the EU would be a great thing for the western world, if it’s not already too late.

    Blackface was the first Canadian EU proxy PM who still hasn’t completely closed the borders. Obviously another Ethics Commission ruling against him would be a waste of time, we need a non-corrupt RCMP investigation if one could ever exist.

    1. The Liberals are widely known to be corrupt. They know the RCMP can put them in jail any time they like. So the cops get what ever they want when ever they want it. Therefore RCMP prefers Liberal Governments.

    2. By the way, Comrade Erika is reportedly in quarantine after her doctor tested positive.

    3. The RCMP has been corrupt for as long as it has been the RCMP, i.e. since the RNWMP was merged with the Dominion Police. The latter was thoroughly infected and the new organization was contaminated from its start.

      (Not suggesting you can bribe a Mountie to get off a traffic ticket or stay away from a drug deal, but that corruption of senior officers that causes them lay off whatever the Minister says is too politically sensitive, e.g. certain protestors, and makes them afraid for their career advancement if investigating government corruption.)

    4. Juthtin: “Screening and closing borders doesn’t work and they are a kneejerk reaction.”
      He’ll never pay the price he should.

      1. Juthtin: “Screening and closing borders doesn’t work and they are a kneejerk reaction.”
        He’ll never pay the price he should…
        You’re absolutely right, the Turdhole will never pay the price for deliberately inviting in the China Virus knowing full well the consequence for Canadians would be death, suffocating debt, and a massive loss of freedom…. Mr. Vacation will continue to be portrayed as a “hero” by his corrupt Media and will probably be re-elected as leader of the Liberal/Bloc Qeerbekwah.

  2. I would think a better barometer of the extent would be to show the number of cases by civil location, such as by city, instead of by wide geographic. For example instead of number of cases in Ontario, show number of cases in Toronto or even better the exact location where the case was detected.

    Somewhat related, after the latest cottage talk from the sock monkey Lisa Lafleme gave an analysis and had the bf that “China bought us time”, yes she actually said this.
    When we get through this we really need a new country.

  3. The article is still up at Zero Hedge, and I saw a thought provoking article on American Greatness called “Dangerous Curves”. Sorry I do not know how to link to an article when making a comment here.
    Thankyou, everyone, for keeping us informed, I am so relieved to know there are still sane, God-fearing people around us!

    1. The article is very thought provoking.

      Clearly, those with specific illnesses are most at risk, regardless of age. People over 60, tend to get those illnesses at an escalating rate with age, that has parallels to the death rate.

      Things that make you hmmmmmmmmmmm. Is there a better way than shutting down the country’ and for all practical purposes, the economy, while printing BILLIONS for temporary, if ineffective relief?

      Should instead, we be isolating all those with the illnesses, and assisting THEM, if needed, with the temporary financial support, and our elderly, while letting the illness ripple through the rest of society? I don’t know, but, as with others here, there’s another bigger concern.

      Is the current strategy going to cause far more damage than the disease itself? Seems probable, as we see businesses shut down, thousands lose their jobs. None of us have seen any leader kick start a moribund economy, automatically, and end a recession in any short period. Sorry, not even Trump could magically make an economy go to Mach 5 in a month.

      Don’t know about the rest of you, but already the impacts are in the greater family. Nieces and nephews thrown out of work (salon, massage therapist, tire shop) a sis-in-law hairdresser self employed, bro-in-law cut hours at Auto Parts. They’re talking about closing outdoor construction sites. STUPID! Outdoors with lots of separation of workers……..

      Common sense is being thrown out the window, at all costs.

  4. 1% of people tested.
    2.3% of cases diagnosed. Tested doesn’t not mean diagnosed, some tested will be negative.

    3. Lies. Gawwd damnned lies. Statistics. We are being manipulated by charts, graphs, and data. No, I am not a math and science denier. I understand MOST of it quite well. But we are jumping the shark here.

      1. Kenji… just found out about this “live” site which contains comprehensive information on the progress of the Virus worldwide. Make sure to see the complete site down to the bottom as there’s a lot of interesting data throughout.

        Canada ranks at #17 to date with the U.S. #3. It is updated on a daily basis.

        https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    4. Which part of “~1% of cases […] in the US will be severe”, vs. “2-3% of cases in China died” was difficult for Doctor So-Much-Smarter-Than-You to understand? Fuck me, it’s right there in the screenshot he scribbled all over.

      Much of the original article was making the point that we can’t analogize from China and Italy because there are significant factors that make their cases worse.

      I think the original article overreached in a number of ways but this “takedown” is an epic self-own.

  5. Spectacular thread.
    I truly hope there will be an accounting with all forms of the “Legacy media” when this is finally over.

  6. “markups that gouge consumers even as Asian labor gets shortchanged and U.S. workers get sent to the unemployment offices”.

    the reason for chinese junk, and why there are fewer jobs in the west. This is also a form of wealth transfer, and not to the worlds poorer peoples, but to corporate pockets , who’s administrators, realize the greats of the benefits

    shut the whole damn thing down

  7. I didn’t want to poop all over this yesterday but I am glad you restored quality to the blog with the correction.

    Instead I went down the rabbit hole around chloroquine and friends to see what’s out there around why they may work. Seems it may change the ACE2 lock so the S spike key can’t dock. That’s a hopeful thing. It may also explain why some sources say it’s better early than later in the progression. The other hopeful thing was a long half life in the body before you poop or pee it out. A little may go a long way for a long time.

    Germany is clearly doing something right and it may be that they have Bayer.

    I would also observe that it is warped to issue a code “blue” for a disease that suffocates, if that is true.

  8. RAPID REFRESHER FOR CANADIAN MEDIA

    When you question the Prime minister and he responds with statements that they are increasing screening at airports you then go confirm that he is or is not doing so.

    At the next presser you ask the following “Mr Prime Minister, yesterday you told Canadians that you were increasing screening at Canadian airports yet we were unable to find any screening at all at any airport, including for flights originating from large outbreak countries. Can you clarify what you were referring to and can you assure the Canadian people that this is being done”

    When the Prime Minister states that they “are ramping up testing by tens of thousands every day” you go confirm that this is true. When you determine that this is not happening, see above follow up.

    You are supposed to be skeptical all of the time.

    OR

    Pretend the prime minister is Stephen Harper!

    2. Bruce: If you asked questions like that you would be at your last press conference with the bong.

    3. Yes, Bruce in Nanaimo.

      Your last line nails it.

      You may also add that perhaps the media could ask The Spawn what evidence there is to his constant statement that “the federal government’s careful financial monitoring and the least debt ratio in the G7 allows us to be in good financial position to help in a time of crisis.”

      Not one media trained seal asks for proof of such a lie. Especially, considering a balanced budget inherited from Prime Minister Harper and the huge existing debt that the Liberals and only the Liberals have put us into.

  9. The Virus originated in China but PC prevented effective Control… We are all Chinese now given that those inclined to risky behavior are transmitting the Virus… Every Family has some members who are “Known” as high risk…

    We are all Chinese now

    The Good things
    1. The shut down of Sports & Events will result in the MSM Networks losing 50-75% of their Adv Revenue… The worst slime (workers) will be shed, as a rush to Chapter 11 reorganization will redefine the Business model….
    Political Science wonks will need a day job… Economical witch doctors retrained

    2.. The Open Borders & Sanctuary Cities will reap the most deaths….Those policies will be dammed for all time

    3 The UN will be eliminated & the Book of International law used for Butt wipes….

    1. The Turdhole Gang invited the China Virus in… they did everything they could to make sure the China Virus made it to Canada and then they made sure the Virus would spread… this a deliberate act, not incompetence… aided and abetted by the corrupt Media.

  10. 1. The whole point of the euro was to make leaving the EU impossible. Show me who controls your money supply, and I’ll show you who makes the laws.

    2. If Cuomo is not panicking, he should be.

    The ghettos and barrios of New York City are used to free medical care on demand thanks to regulations that make it impossible to turn people away from ER’s. Countless “souljahs” owe their lives to New York’s ER’s, not that they’re grateful.

    God help the first nurse in Gotham who dares try to explain to a thug that mama or abuela is dying, there are simply not enough beds or doctors available to treat her, and if the thug really loves mama or abuela he’ll take her home, load his handgun and put her out of her misery, because it beats dying of Wuhan flu.

    3. Even a 1960’s approach to relations with Red China will no longer suffice.

    Western governments need to seriously consider the necessity of systematic expropriation and expulsion of the Overseas Chinese, along with Canadian spouses of Chinese who refuse to be parted with their Asian fantasies in the flesh.

    Our peerless leaders had no problem, after all, with expropriation and expulsion of Jews (or worse) when it suited them.

    The Chinese are the Jews Julius Streicher, your drunken Ukrainian uncle and your perverted French Canadian priest raved about at every opportunity to anybody who would listen—clannish, tight-fisted, ignorant of anything resembling empathy, and convinced they are a master race chosen by Heaven to rule the world. None is genuinely far too many.

    The Chinese have their own miserable country, and don’t have the excuse of 2000 years of exile not to return there and stay there until they demonstrate the capacity to adhere to the fundamentals of Christianity and basic human decency.

    I want mine back, right now.

    1. Show me who controls your healthcare system, and I’ll show you who controls your entire life.

      Sorry Canadians. Yet, as you can see, we’re not far behind. Our “collective health” is now a justification for deploying the military onto the streets of America

    2. “clannish, tight-fisted, ignorant of anything resembling empathy, and convinced they are a master race chosen by Heaven to rule the world. None is genuinely far too many.”

      But enough about Siberian Mongols.

    3. “Western governments need to seriously consider the necessity of systematic expropriation and expulsion of the Overseas Chinese, along with Canadian spouses of Chinese who refuse to be parted with their Asian fantasies in the flesh.”

      Who are “Overseas Chinese” ? Do you include for example those from HK and Macao who run from communism? If anything we should be offering automatic asylum to those who recently protested the Peking butchers on the streets of HK. If you want to throw out those with a high social credit score who are in fact collaborators of Chicom genocidal regime, then sure. But only those.

  11. Kate, I heartily agree that we should go back to the 1960s way of dealing with China. In fact, I hope that this situation signals the end of the globalization experiment. It is time to build robust domestic economies and nation states that produce all that is needed for a healthy, prosperous life in free democratic societies.
    Sent from home. Peace.

    1. That would be entertaining to watch Trump start to referring to Taiwan as China and the other one as Red China.

  12. “ When this is over, we need a return to the 1960’s relationship with China.”

    I’ve always said Nixon’s opening to China was just about the single worst foreign-policy decision ever made by an American president. I don’t care about the balance of power politics that supposedly justified the policy move at the time. You just don’t all of a sudden decide to get all chummy with a mass murdering communist dictatorship responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of its own citizens.

    Our policy to China this point forward needs to be Reagan’s policy towards the former Soviet union – We win. They lose.

    1. Russians did win in the end. It’s just that the Bolsheviks lost.

      China? The Red Chinese state needs to fail, and be replaced with nothing.

      Let decades of wars, famines and plagues reduce China’s population to a size sustainable by subsistence farming. (Nuclear war would be quicker, of course, but upon sober reflection I now agree with SDA readers that it’s not practical.)

      Selling post-communist Chinese warlords all the toys they can afford will create many jobs in western industry. Block all further Chinese immigration, expel the Overseas Chinese, and we’re good to go for a hundred years.

    2. The common belief … primarily among conservatives … is that if we simply “export” American capitalism to China, Latin America, Middle East … et.al. rather than exporting our CIA and military … then EVERYONE will become capitalists. We need to end this happy good time, touchy-feely, sophomoric belief. It belies the fact that some people, some nations, and some cultures are simply not ready or willing to FREE.

    3. We didn’t learn much from our alliance with a mass-murdering communist dictatorship responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of its own citizens and bent on world domination to help us defeat a mass-murdering socialist dicatorship responsible for the death of millions of its subjects (including subjugated foreigners) and bent on world domination.

    4. Pierre would have jumped in and proclaimed “First!” had Richard Nixon not done so.

    5. Nixon had a strategy of floating the idea of the Nuclear bombing of Hanoi, to China. He then went to the USSR and did the same thing. Hanoi became paranoid that the big three talks were not favorable to their existence & seriously negotiated Peace…..Nothing short of Brilliant

  13. My son is on the front lines of this health care crisis because he does patient transport. His employer is restricting access to N95 masks. They have determined he doesn’t need one. Why? Airborne droplets that can penetrate a regular surgical mask last three hours in air and he supposed to move coughing patented from the ER to their isolation chamber with no N95 mask! Why don’t we have enough N95 masks to protect our front line workers?????? Canada lived through the SARS epidemic and CBC told me that we knew better and it would be fine. Maybe if Trudeau had spent a little more money getting our health care system ready for the next pandemic and little less time jetting to Tofino and pouring money into wasteful climate change mitigation there would be enough N95 masks to protect our health care workers.

    1. Tell your son to go to the local Acklands or Grainger (depending on location), and get a N95 or better respirator from there. They likely aren’t “approved” for medical grade….

      1. I agree and really hope that works.

        Non-medical N95 have been approved for use in health care in the US so stocks might be dwindling.

        If he has a friend or knows a tattoo artist, they may have something that’s been overlooked.

      2. That’s what the anesthetists locally are doing. Mind you, the local health authority has to have a meeting to “approve” usage of said masks. Nothing like having a batch of useless ornaments who aren’t going to be anywhere near infectious patients making the decisions as to the equipment the front-line workers can use.

  14. “When this is over, we need a return to the 1960’s relationship with China.

    There is no link, because that’s me talking.

    Stay home.”

    Absolutely agree 100% Kate.

  15. Agreed Kate! China in not our friend. I came to that conclusion back in 2010 while working for a Chinese company. To the Chinese, China is first and nobody else matters. And in my opinion – F$#@! the globalist. Bring our jobs and prosperity home.

    1. When Nixon, then cretin, started courting China I thought they were making a mistake but I’m just an ignorant, red neck, racist what do I know? Turns out this was no mistake. They and their buddies were selling us to the Chicoms. That is the most despicable form of treason deserving of the most severe retribution. May we all live to see it.
      Thanks DJT for exposing it.

        1. And he did that at around the time of the War Measures Act. While the newspapers were filled with news about the FLQ, this item was quietly slipped in under all that.

  16. We owe a debt of gratitude to Kate, by the way, for helping distribute reliable information—including, but not just, from the Epoch Times, one of the very few newspapers whose China coverage is useful as more than emergency toilet paper.

    Stay home. Stay safe. Stay well.

    And do all in your power, now and after this passes (because this too shall pass), to ensure that those responsible for the deaths of your parents and grandparents pay for this dearly.

    And I don’t mean President Trump.

    1. You are absolutely correct about our debt to Kate. If she were compensated in proportion to the value of her service, she would be rich but that is probably not possible. Still, if we hit the tip jar we can reduce our indebtedness.

  17. The WTF graphic has a problem with reading comprehension.

    “1% of everyone who is TESTED for covid-19 …” I see the word tested there, not confirmed cases. Seems plausible to me, if you have data to back up the statement.

    The circled statement of “2.3% of of all cases died” is based on the number of confirmed deaths with respect to confirmed cases. This has no correlation to the 1% of all people tested statement. How hard is that to understand? Again, since he presents that data, you can see he isn’t pulling numbers from his butt.

    If someone is refuting this opinion and can’t tell the difference between 1% of tested people, and 2.3% of confirmed deaths in confirmed cases, how trustworthy is the rest of the alleged takedown.

    1. Also the writer is referring to 1% is tested cases in USA – so he is making a prediction – versus 2.3 % diagnosed in CHINA.

      Apples and oranges comparison, and not necessarily meant as a comparison. Just two different data point near each other in a blog formatted article.

      But the oh so smarmy and sneeringly intellectually superior Mr Bergstrom, takes the apples and oranges comparison to discredit an entire article that is chock full of excellent data points.

      I’m going to guess Mr Bergstrom has an axe to grind.

      1. Oh. I see Mr Bergstrom has a book to sell called- ironically- “Calling Bullsh*t” about of all things being sceptical in a Data driven world.

        Some expert.

        So Mr expert educated in far left Stanford, and employed in far left Washington State, would like to shut down any point of view or data that is not alarmist.

        Wonder if he’s a Never Trumper.

    2. Minnesota Data from Friday. This was from the Governor Walz press conference.

      Over 4,000 tested. Less than 200 were positive.

      This is similar to the US National test tesults, the South Korean test results, and many others. There is some other nasty stuff out there, that mimics the early symptoms of Wuhan Pneumonia/ COVID-19/ Chinese Communist Flu, or else our testing is really poor with many false negatives? Maybe the imposter is just the “normal flu” that kills 30,000 every year.

      90% and more of the tests come back NEGATIVE.

      That said, I think we will see NYC, LA, SF, and possibly Chicago end up like Northern Italy. The question is how many other regions of the US will be similar? The folks from both Kansas and Missouri are concerned about the KC area are locking it down hard.

      Let’s hope one or more of the Chloriquine, Remesvidir, or other proposed treatments are effective.

      Take care of you and yours. Keep the old and the infirm safe, mainly by not physically being with them.

    3. Even on the Diamond Princess, which had 3700 mostly elderly people crowded into an infected cruise ship, the final fatality rate was 1.8%.

      Italy skews higher because they count all deaths as Covid if the patient had the virus, not if that was the cause of death. Germany only cites Covid when it’s the cause of death:

      When this is over we will see – yet again – that governments overreacted and caused much more damage than necessary.

  18. Gosh that ZH article looks familiar?
    Where did I see it before?

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/03/21/caution-vs-hysteria/#comment-1298110

    Yes we need to disengage from China. I thought it was reasonable to try to reform China by trading and interacting with the Chinese people. Events have shown it is a failure. Lots of people have gotten rich off of trade, while our Western Economies were destroyed. Now our own civilization is being destroyed. Look at how the NBA and many other corporations bow and scrape to the Chinese Communist Party and Government.

    Same with Russia.

    1. Exactly! I don’t think full disengagement is a good idea. The West wants to continue being that beacon of light for those inside China that want change. What has to change is indiscriminate investment and trade with China. Control over interaction has to be at the government level so as to enforce national security and national interests. That cannot be defined by Democrats and Liebels who profiteer at the expense of their respective countries.

      The Chinese are experts at influence peddling and their operations in North America are well established. Students and businessmen from China are here for a reason and most of that is to garner benefits for China. So engage but do it with awareness and constant overview.

      1. CT,

        No, I vote for full disengagement from these Communist and Authoritarian Regimes abroad. We should be undermining, subverting, and destroying these tyrannical and destructive socialists and communists both overseas, and locally in our schools and institutions.

        1. rd, do you actually know how to think, total disengagement from a country with a population of 1.4 billion is NOT possible or smart, the chinese are not stupid and will technically advance, and then still eat our lunch

      2. “…Control over interaction has to be at the government level so as to enforce national security and national interests. …”

        That was a good idea before the Chinese communist government got control of our government, too late now. We need to rebel so thoroughly they give up and treat us as hostile. Sell them our grain and fuel only when they are desperate enough to pay the asking price in gold, no haggling, and when they won’t take that deal, be willing to sell it for less to countries that are hostile to them or give it as aid to countries that are otherwise susceptible to falling into communist China’s orbit.

        Buy made in Canada, made in U.S.A., made in Taiwan, in that order of preference.

        1. With the exception of Taiwan, that has been my policy for over a decade. I will take your good advice and include Taiwan. Thank you.

  19. Rumour of the Day

    Tuesday, BC, and maybe Canada itself, will go under the equivalent of Martial Law.

    Victoria PD is prepping for this. Sourced from an internal member.

    My last rumour posted a week ago, was bang on.

    1. Justin’s dick is getting hard at the thought.

      And the alarmists are helping justify the move.

      Wonder if Justin will say “Just watch me”

    2. What did you hear in terms of what this will involve? Permits to leave your home like Italy?

      1. I don’t know specifics, just an advance knowledge. Could this happen? Looking at various American states, and how closely Juth-tin and the ENDP are to Democrats are ideologically to each other, it wouldn’t be a total surprise.
        Still, there aren’t enough cops or military to enforce it much at all.
        Throw people in jail for defying it? Yeah, sure, right…….
        It seems more in line with the attempt to destroy the private economy. It’s EASY to make decisions to shut down everything else, when one has a government job, and a guaranteed cheque every two weeks!

        The economic fallout from destroying hundreds of thousands of jobs, and thousands of small and medium sized businesses, will far outweigh the “benefits” of draconian measures. But when you have statists like TruDope and Whoregan, they are convinced that gubermint printing presses can solve anything.

        Rude awakenings await!

    4. But what happens now if a group of protestors in support of the great self-proclaimed hereditary Chiefs decides to have a week long camp firs on the railroad tracks on a reserve somewhere east of Toronto??? Will the OPP or the RCMP act a police? Will they had out social distancing tickets this time? I seriously doubt it. That is only for you and me. Canada, land of rationed health care and apartheid policing.

  20. We won’t be disengaging from China while Liberals are still at the helm. The Chinese own the Liberal Party. Remember Chretien’s junkets to China, Paul Martin’s? Remember kingpin Maurice Strong– who not only controlled Ottawa politicians, but was very closely involved with the Chinese hierarchy. He was also a UN honcho for a while. At this point, I think that Canada is controlled by the Chinese. That UN sest that Trudeau so covers will be owned by the Chinese should he ever get it.

    1. It ain’t over till:

      1. Schools re-open across China.

      2. Russia re-opens its border to Chinese visitors.

      3. The rubber-stamp legislature of Red China holds its annual meeting with Chairman Xi in attendance.

      I’m not holding my breath.

  22. Bergstrom’s refutation and takedown is an appeal to authority along with ad hominem attack, not enough data and factual argumentation to convince me. (sounds very settled science like argument) There are several docs in my family and friends and they do not seem to know, or be able to explain to me, how the virus can move from your eye (“don’t touch your eyes!”) to lungs, while sexual activity is not a problem. I just want to be sure my paranoia is well directed. Authorities telling me I cannot play on the floor with my grandchildren for a year have a big hill to climb. At a certain point I will say, “screw that, I am playing with them and if I die, I die, they won’t”.

    1. How does it get from your eyes to your lungs?

      Tear ducts. Those things that conduct your tears from your eyes to your nose and make you have a runny nose every time you cry. I think the path from your nose to the lungs is self explanatory.

    2. Indeed CanSco .. I remember the early 50’s polio summers.
      Good article , but he fails to mention the economy didn’t shut down during the summer polio months in the early 50’s . People took precautions to avoid crowds etc. but life continued and the economy wasn’t shut down.

      The politicians need to review some history of the polio crisis in the 50’s and come back to reality. If they shut down the economy , expect the pitchfork brigades to form.

      > Dr. William Haseltine: Coronavirus pandemic could end in these ways – Maybe sooner than we expect
      https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dr-william-haseltine-here-is-how-coronavirus-pandemic-could-end-maybe-sooner-than-we-expect

  24. Here is another perspective.
    Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds By Charles MacKay
    1841
    https://vantagepointtrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Charles_Mackay-Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds.pdf

    Got to warn you though, its a book in pdf 499 pages.

    It begins thus:
    “In reading the history of nations, we find that, like individuals, they have their whims and their peculiarities; their seasons of excitement and recklessness, when they care not what they do. We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first. We see one nation suddenly seized, from its highest to its lowest members, with a fierce desire of military glory; another as suddenly becoming crazed upon a religious scruple, and neither of them recovering its senses until it has shed rivers of blood and sowed a harvest of groans and tears, to be reaped by its posterity.”

    It does not follow that one should not look after self and keep the hygiene current observe suggestions to keep well.

    1. Thanks for the link Lev. Sent the .pdf to my Kindle. (It’ll make me feel smarter).

  25. What took down the USSR? Simple economics. What have we doing with China? Funding them.

    Every time we have turned the other cheek on them they have taken advantage of us. Western civilization needs to get past this idea that all cultures have the same values for human life that we have. We have been playing by Christian rules against an enemy that has no rules. I’m not sure who will wipe us out first yet…Mao or Allah, but we are definitely on the wrong course.

    Time to get real or we will be gone.

  26. China is a dangerous cesspool, pure greed got us there, We are paying the price,the entire globe is paying the price, we can only hope eyes have been opened.

    It was Maurice Strong’s wish to shut down industrialized countries, he holed up in China, his favourite place.

    1. “This is one business we should no longer patronize, one school that has taught us its final lesson. This church should empty now and seal up its doors.”

      This is kind. Globalism is a Satanic cult. Like all of its kind, it will end—is ending—in mass murder/suicide.

  31. That piece (and the attendant criticism) only serves to show that statistics are hard for some people.

  33. The economics of shutting almost everything down is beyond the grasp of the idiotsticks empowered on the Hill. Their tiresome little lie about the debt to GDP ratio is about to turn into a true monster.
    As well, the provincial gangs are debt-addled sub-morons. WTF is Newfoundland going to do? They can barely pay debt interest and were looking for a fed bailout before this Wuhan Flu started.
    Printing money isn’t a solution.
    Everything that comes into this country is way more expensive because of our peso’s decline.
    If you think the flu is bad, wait till the police state starts. The cunned stunt Hajdu has stated it and so have other “leaders”. Well, when there isn’t any more money the food banks aren’t going to feed everyone. Then what?

    1. Unfortunately printing money is a solution for governments. They, do, in fact thrive off devaluation of the currency. It lessens debt and increases tax income. The only people who can hold governments to account are their bond holders. But, unfortunately, I think even they have learnt how to play a corrupt system.

    2. It’s probably pointless to try to explain to most voters that this is why we shouldn’t have been running up debt when the economy was strong.
      But if nothing else it is an opportunity to tell them that “I told you so!”

  34. “When this is over, we need a return to the 1960’s relationship with China”

    As we speak, executives are drawing up plans to strengthen supply chains, and that means an exodus (partial, not total) from China. Share holders and boards demand it, and those companies who do so successfully will be rewarded. Large companies like Apple will lead the way, and their suppliers will have little choice but to follow. (note: Electronics companies like Apple, Microsoft, Google, Cisco, HP, et al do *not* make anything; it is practically all farmed out to suppliers or contract manufacturers (CMs). Similar with pharmaceuticals, auto parts and textiles).

    It is the duty of the top-tier CMs to *guaranty* reliable supply chains and to deliver products uninterrupted to market. They will necessarily relocate them in, or closer to, prime markets North America, Europe and Asia (excluding China). The CMs in turn will place conditions on target jurisdictions to bolster a healthy workforce. This could rule out Africa with corrupt regimes and poor health controls.

    The pressure is now on. Watch the press releases and advertising shift. Abstract taglines like “Sustainability” and “Fighting Climate Change” will mingle with “Strengthening Supply Chains” or the more relevant “We’re Bringing Manufacturing Jobs to YOUR Community”. Investors and bottom lines will demand it.

    This will certainly impact China’s long term economy. Those of China’s new middle class have never suffered a major calamity as did their parents/grandparents in the ’60s with the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. They won’t like the taste of a prolonged downturn and will want out. Watch for human and capital flight and stricter capital controls. The CCP will be in a fight for its life, and the best way to avoid all of the above is to downplay the outbreak, not just in China but everywhere, so watch for media reports to follow suit.

    1. Industry here? But, but, but, the climate!
      That was sarcasm for the irony challenged.
      Good points, by the way.

    4. If they have to hire Americans to make crap most Americans don’t need, and pay them a wage a white man can support a family on, most American corporations will go out of business in no time, because nobody will buy their products at a fair price. Turns out you don’t need a new smartphone every two years.

      The stock market is collapsing because there is no realistic plan B for most firms. Top brass are not drawing up plans to bring jobs home. They are grabbing their golden parachutes and bailing out before the plane hits the ground.

  35. “… hospitals might be “the main” source of Covid-19 transmission, the Bergamo doctors warned” and “All my friends in Italy tell me the same thing,” Cereda said. “[Covid-19] patients started arriving and the rate of infection in other patients soared. That is one thing that probably led to the current disaster.”
    from https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/21/coronavirus-plea-from-italy-treat-patients-at-home/
    Didn’t the successful South Korean strategy involve a complete separation of all coronavirus cases from the instant of showing up asking for medical care?

    1. i remember watching a documentary about ebola quite a few years and eventually that is what the local population learned .. go to the hospital to die.

    2. The S. Koreans, Taiwanese and Singaporeans obviously did something right. From mass testing to isolating the inected.

      Canada’s approach of mass isolation is neither tenable nor effective, nor affordable; as we will find out unfortunately.

  37. Only epidemologists can talk about epidemics.
    Only crimatologists can talk about climate.

    I say BS.

    Governments are listening to their government paid epidemologists, who use computer models that they have ceased to question. Not thinking about the accuracy of their data, even collecting data, they input assumptions and get the output they expect. Most not thinking that maybe actions taken may change the assumptions behind the models.

    10,000,000 million could die in Canada!! Yes, and Martians could invade.

    And I continue to say that the cure is worse than the disease. Follow the example of S. Korea and Singapore and Tawain. Test everyone, isolate the infected, buy quinine etc.

    1. I’ve yet to see any epidemiologist that projects 10 trillion dead, much less in Canada.

  38. After a trip to the local grocery store, the one positive thing that might just come out of this madness is it might put an end to the asinine “bring your own bag” regime that we’ve been saddled with by leftist do-gooders.

    1. Good luck with that one. The minions are trained now and the stores are making real good money off their sales.

  39. It’s hard to have a reasoned discussion in this atmosphere. Unlike crimatology, epidemology has a claim to immediacy. But when the panic is over, we will find a lower mortality rate than perceived currently.

    But governments have been government focused. They have been focused on the supply of ICU beds to meet the demand, rather than tackling the demand.

    Governments appear not to have made a serious effort to understand the magnitude and extent of the problem; rather follow the brute force solution of out-numbering the cases with extra ICU resopurces.

    Test everyone; isolate ONLY the infectedand their immediate contacts. Drink G&Ts.

    1. This is what we get with a risk averse population that has no risk management skills. All they can do is bleat at the politicians to “do something”. It doesn’t really matter that the politicians have no idea what to do, there will always be some expert at their elbow whispering in their ear that they have the right answer.

      Almost like that guy in River City, where there was trouble, with a capital T. Ah, I’m old, but I do love a good musical. But I digress.

      We are now getting a full helping of “just do something” regardless of the consequences, or the effectiveness.

    2. Hey Robert remember how you were claiming few days ago that 3.4% kill rate for the Chicom virus was an overstatement? That aged well didn’t it? We’re just under 4.4% now and climbing. Perhaps since you were consistently wrong about pretty much everything you flapped your gums about you could STFU for a change?

      1. Hey, Colonialista, perhaps you need to dial back the panic? You can see below, the numbers vary widely from country to country. Just throwing out a single number for this is like pulling it from the air. (or other places) There is a lot less reason to panic if you consider that many people who get some symptoms will not even visit a hospital and get tested. That means a lot more people will likely have this virus, and survive, and thus the number is even smaller. (you know, like how the flu kills only .1% vice the 10% you would see if you compared confirmed cases with deaths due to the flu if you check with the CDC for USA stats)

        Below are the top 20 countries by confirmed cases. Relax, you live in Canada where the number is 1.4%, and likely much lower. I haven’t even touched on age distribution, co-morbidity, and other factors. See the article in The Telegraph with respect to the high mortality rate coming out of Italy.

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

        The hysteria and panic, fanned by the always negative media, is really pukeworthy. I fear for so many people’s mental health as places like the Globe and Mail publish speculation based on worst case scenarios using computer models that are probably out to lunch 20% of the time.

        Country – Number of confirmed cases – deaths – recovered – mortality
        1 China 81,098 – 3,270 – 72,704 – 4.0%
        2 Italy 59,138 – 5,476 – 7,024 – 9.3%
        3 US 34,717 – 452 – 178 – 1.3%
        4 Spain 28,768 – 1,772 – 2,575 – 6.2%
        5 Germany 24,873 – 94 – 266 – 0.4%
        6 Iran 21,638 – 1,685 – 7,913 – 7.8%
        7 France 16,018 – 674 – 2,200 – 4.2%
        8 South Korea 8,961 – 111 – 3,166 – 1.2%
        9 Switzerland 7,474 – 98 – 131 – 1.3%
        10 United Kingdom 5,683 – 281 – 135 – 4.9%
        11 Netherlands 4,204 – 179 – 2 – 4.3%
        12 Austria 3,582 – 16 – 9 – 0.4%
        13 Belgium 3,401 – 75 – 340 – 2.2%
        14 Norway 2,385 – 7 – 6 – 0.3%
        15 Sweden 1,934 – 21 – 16 – 1.1%
        16 Australia 1,629 – 7 – 88 – 0.4%
        17 Portugal 1,600 – 14 – 5 – 0.9%
        18 Brazil 1,546 – 25 – 2 – 1.6%
        19 Canada 1,472 – 21 – 18 – 1.4%
        20 Denmark 1,395 – 13 – 1 – 0.9%

        1. Perhaps you should have been around SDA for the last few weeks where pretty much all your points were defeated ad nauseum ad infinitum?

          Canadian specific death rate is useless as it is based on 21 deaths, out of 1472 cases. BUT there are only 18 recoveries in Canada. In other words you’re assuming that the remaining 1433 cases will all recover for the death rate to stay at 1.4%. Not going to happen.

          Yes the death rates vary across countries. Because for most countries with a large number of infections, most infections are not concluded one way or another. Give it a few weeks and you will see, they will be converging well above the current global rate still weighted heavily by false Chicom data. Meanwhile it is already killing very quickly and well above the week-ago-official 3.4% or above the actual current
          global average of 4.35%, look at Italy and Spain and soon others. Canada will be there too, perhaps a little lower than global average (if we’re lucky) but it is childish to expect we will stay at 1.4%. The global rate has been steadily growing by about 0.05% every day for the last week or so. And as the samples grow it shows no signs of stopping.

          “I haven’t even touched on age distribution, co-morbidity, and other factors. ”

          All well known and discussed many times already. Don’t even trying lecturing before you learn the arguments of those you try to lecture.

          If anything there is not enough panic. And the panic will come way too late. If we had a sufficient amount of panic two months ago we would be much better off today.

          1. As more testing is done, as more people are shown to have the virus and not die, the numbers will come down.

            I refuse to panic because “my betters” tell me how bad this is. People are still screaming for the government to do more. Sheep. Be good sheep and do what you are told because the politicians are getting advice from the best people possible, right?

            Time will tell.

          2. “As more testing is done, as more people are shown to have the virus and not die, the numbers will come down.”

            After seeing the same line repeated thoughtlessly for a nth time I just want to hit people with heavy objects until they shut up and engage their brains for a change.

            Yes the death rate is measured for detected cases. So fucking what? It is the detected cases that overload the medical system. It is the detected cases that die. The undetected cases do not matter for this calculation. The undetected cases matter only as spreaders of the disease. But that is a separate story.

            “I refuse to panic because “my betters” tell me how bad this is. ”

            Good, you should have started panicking long before that. You should have started panicking when they were laughing at people who were preparing for the outbreak. You should have started panicking when they kept repeating that there was no reason to worry because things were under control. You should have been panicking when they told you that the risk of infection is low. That there was no need to screen passengers at airports. You slept right through that phase and only woke up now as an independent thinker.

    3. That’s what the Republic of China is doing.

      Unfortunately it would have required an admission from Ottawa many years before this that the west is at war with Red China and a preparation for Red China’s committing acts of bioterror without warning.

      Of course, papa did the exact opposite.

  40. Being a poor stupid rural Saskatchewan lad I self contained today by shooting 2 coyotes (by myself) and then went to my neighbours and we drank a pile of beer After being safely driven home,likely do the same thing tomorrow Try that in Toronto

  41. Politically correct?
    Not Takimag:

    “Dear Coronavirus,
    If you can spare a few minutes from killing Chinese and the elderly, could you please have a go at the morons in my neighborhood who were swarming the grocery store at 6 a.m. yesterday cleaning out the toilet paper and water? If you could thin that herd, I’d greatly appreciate it.

    Sincerely,
    Dave

    P.S. I’m not saying lay off the Chinese.”

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-chinks-in-our-armor/

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