Noah’s Flood and the Development of Geology – David Montgomery at the Radcliffe Institute. It’s a little bit stupid at times, but overall not bad.
Noah’s Flood and the Development of Geology – David Montgomery at the Radcliffe Institute. It’s a little bit stupid at times, but overall not bad.
I’m just gonna grab some popcorn and settle in here. You guys have fun.
https://www.livescience.com/873-bursting-ice-dam-flooded-ancient-ocean.html
I’m no bible thumper but you do know there were dramatic events that took place when global warming kicked the shit out of the ice age? Actually you probably don’t know because you’re an ignorant nutless douchebag.
Cmon guys, where’s my creationists at? We do climate change pretty much every day, it’s boring. We’re long overdue for some good bible literalist bashing.
Maybe you might wanna consider this:
The Younger Dyer period . Est at 13.8 – 11.4 Million YRs ago.
Evidence from around the planet validates massive Flooding. Likely caused by a Very large Asteroidal or comet like body slamming into the planet…one that at the time of impact was pretty much covered with ICE. A couple thousand feet thick.
Look to Randall Carson..and others for that. The following is fairly long – but Worth EVERY MINUTE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ
er, the Younger Dryas was 15-20 thousand years ago. 130m sea level rise, temperature increase (then drop again, then rise again) of 5 or 6 degrees. The time scale you’re referencing is all within the Miocene. ABout 5 million years ago North and South America joined and the Panama seaway was closed, causing the disruption of the main heat transfer waterway around the equator, and sending the globe into an ice age state.
We’re still in that ice age state, but God is beneficent and has given us a longer interglacial than average, so that humans could develop technology under the guidance of the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth (BIBLE) and the English culture could develop and dominate the earth. What’s that Andrew, God didn’t cause the interglacial? What did then? I want specifics.
… and he believes in the ClimateHoax. Astonishing. He used he word “crisis.”
University… wrote a book…. A Fellow from some Institute of delegitimised Arse sniffing irrelevence .
Thats what I got out of the first few minutes.
When I have more time to waste, I’ll revisit and possibly be converted (any bets?).
Many peoples throughout the world have traditional mythologies about a cataclysmic FIREY HOT end to the world … all due to various sins of mankind. Andrew is no exception with his CAGW end times prophesies. C=cataclysmic C=catastrophic C=catatonic sheep
Heinrich Schliemann could not be reached for comment, apparently.
Some comments seem to miss the gist of the Radcliffe lecture, picking on a transient reference to climate change, instead of the role of Christian faith and the flood narrative in the development of a scientific model of the world . “Noah’s Flood” was used like a Rosetta stone to try to decode geologic history. Christian religious thinking, including Aquinas and Augustine, pointed towards two books, one of nature and one of God’s written inspiration. They expected the two to agree. Researchers, mainly from the clergy, opened up the book of nature with their observations, to reconcile observation of the world with the Christian bible. (multiple catastrophes, a deep timeline for the world, many extinct species and more). More recently, the trend reversed for Creationists. What the lecturer sees is a modern conflict, not between religion and science, but rather conflict within religion about how to view science.
Ken Moore got it right! Enough said.
The planet continues to spin, the sun continues to heat us, the world continues to be as it has always been. We scratch the surface and mess things up but we do not control anything. Eventually if there is not an extremely large die off we will start to starve, as I said eventually and if. For all those who think the planet is expandable you are more than welcome to explain just how it might occur.
The flood https://www.livescience.com/10340-lost-civilization-existed-beneath-persian-gulf.html . Now, imagine that the people, all the people that there were (at first) lived exactly where the text said they did, “east of Eden”. Eden is said to be where 4 rivers come together, two still do. Note the above, it is east of that spot Now, at that time there is an ice age (ice ages are 9 out of 10 of the last several million years), and that ice age ends. When an ice age ends, the ice starts to melt quite fast, result, all those people east of Eden were flooded out. People had to start somewhere, right? Oh, after that, they mainly seemed to have drifted down to Africa, ice ages come, no ice in Africa, obvious place to live.
The ancient Chinese symbol for flood is a boat with eight people in it, coincidence?
Conclusion, the Biblical text describes a flood that could have effected all people, and there is some evidence that it happened.
Lastly, the Bible does not say the Earth (and universe) was created in six days, nor does it mention how it was created, only by who. Look here http://godandscience.org/apologetics/creation.html . This site covers what the Bible actually says in the original text quite thoroughly, if you want to question it, you should at least know what it actually said. That site covers what the text actually said quite well, but their prejudices show when they are thoroughly against evolution. The Bible actually said “let THE EARTH bring forth plants” (no mention of how or whether or not it was a gradual process), that sounds like an earthly, natural process, and is described later (change in atmosphere to oxy/nitro, then sea critters, then birds/dinosaurs, then mammals, then man) as sequential. The only evidence against evolution is, well, science, they have falsified the idea of life from non-life starting from amino acids, after decades of trying to make it work, they concluded that not only did it not work, it could not work, they are still looking for another method for it to have happened.
Conclusion, the flood, and creation, could have happened at described in the original text of the Bible.
nighty, if the biblical flood were fact than genetics would point to such, in both animals and human , genetics do no such thing
EXPLAIN what you are saying NME…Gentics ..??
What does that have to do with Flooding or not.
I fail to see the connection..??
Joe Rogan Experience #872 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5LCLljJho
Flood theory of comets impacting the Northern Hemisphere ice sheet during the last glacial period.
QuickSilver.
Add Podcast 606 to that list.
Both of those guys make COMPELLING Arguments for A very Large Comet or Asteroid hitting the planet 12.5-11.5 Million yrs ago.
….very Compelling indeed with significant EVIDENCE pointing in that direction.
Ice Core Samples from the Greenland Ice Sheet using O2 Isotopes (I believe), to detail temperatures over 10’s of thoosands of years.
Makes total sense to me.
“The rocks don’t lie” … no, but sometimes scientists do. Sometimes scientists theories are wrong. Really wrong. In fact, I’d wager scientists theories are WRONG more times than they are right. That doesn’t make science “wrong” or “bad” … but “human”. A natural and normal part of the struggle to understand the earth and the Universe.
The same can be said of theology. Just as man explores and tries to understand the PHYSICAL world, so too we try to understand the SPIRITUAL world. Why are our brains so big? Evolution? Maybe. Why are we consciously aware of our unique personalities, thoughts, and feelings? Why do we even care about our origin? Why aren’t we simply grazing and reproducing without thinking of anything? (well … that’s all the lesser of our species do).
David Montgomery is making a very narrow contrast between geologists and Bible literalists. Bible literalists who have determined the “genealogy” of Israeli ancestors as a precisely measured timeline.
http://www.doreenskitchen.com/images/OLD_TEST_CHART_TIMELINE2.jpg
I have never been a Bible literalist. Why would God communicate with his ancient people in precise “scientific” terms. Why would that even make sense? It would be like trying to communicate in Mandarin to a Welshman. No, I believe the Bible is communicated in “universal” terms and concepts that man can understand … esp. ancient man. IMHO the Flood story could be God’s way of communicating any number of prior “extinction events” … with a healthy dose of God’s wrath. This doesn’t diminish the power and authenticity of the Bible. It doesn’t really matter to me if Flood stories derived from Tsunami events, or glacial dams, or melting ice ages. Any or all could have inspired the text.
How can any Christian take the Biblical genealogies as a literal timeline, after we’ve learned the theory (proof) of relativity from Einstein? What we know of time, is our own narrow human-scaled understanding of it. However, we have already gotten a glimpse of how God’s time may warp, compress, or wormhole it’s way through the Universe. It is the pinnacle of arrogance to believe we know any of these things … for certain. Neither the science nor the spiritual is settled. Only a grazing reproducer like Al Gore would ever believe that.
speaking of atmospheric CO2, anybody do a census lately on the hundreds of coal seam fires burning away. underground. out of sight, out of mind. spewing CO2 in huge amounts.
https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-oldest-underground-fire-has-been-burning-fo-1539049759
are we to have an election on this issue?
a 6 THOUSAND yr old fire and what is being done?
let’s tax someone. ya, add another tax. and claim those being taxed will benefit even more than the tax.
NightFall
AGREED. They could easily have. Noah and his arc is not the only “history” of the most recent flood. Many Aboriginal and native folks around the palnet all have similar stories and all seemingly occuring around the same time frame; 12.5-11.5Million yrs ago.
Isn’t it interesting that there is geological EVIDENCE of a cataclysmic event in those times that melted the majority of the Ice on the planet in one massive sizzle. Anyone in Living Alberta should have wondered at times I’m sure of some of the massive Valleys we have here….what created them.?? A flood.
Likely Massive Rivers 2-5 miles wide.
Theres more to this than meets the eye.
RAndall Carson is worth a listen to….and he’s got plenty of evidence – not just supposition.