But but but … Sargon made a rape joke… so there.
Pity so many low IQ savage cultures failed to benefit from being ruled by the benevolent noble British Empire.
That wouldn’t be the benevolent, noble British Empire which wiped-out the native salt-sellers and made Indians buy British salt with hefty tariffs on it, throwing people in jail if they made or collected their own? Just curious…
No one cares.
No one “here” cares – I gather the Chinese are still up-in-arms over the opium wars, the Dutch South Africans are still miffed over the Boer wars, the theft of their gold mines and the concentration camps (it’s where Hitler got the name) in which tens of thousands of Africans died of starvation and disease, the Indians still celebrate the Mutiny, Iran is still in the dumpster over the British ousting Prime Minister Mossadegh when he tried to nationalize the oilfields and get fair prices for Iranian oil, and the Irish will never forgive them for (among lots of other things) shipping tons of Irish produce to England while Ireland was in the depths of the potato famine and thousands were starving to death… I could go on.
Yes the British did many noble, benevolent things – the RN stamped-out the Atlantic slave trade, and the British administration in India put a stop to suttee as examples. Britain has many historical moments to be proud of – and many others, not so much; in the case of the opium wars, you can take Gladstone’s word for it – “a war more unjust in its origin, a war more calculated in its progress to cover this country with permanent disgrace” wikipedia/William_Ewart_Gladstone – and centuries later, we’re still living and dying with the fallout from some of it.
Most countries are like that – “Countries don’t have friends – only interests.” Or maybe, since we’re talking empires, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Let’s not fog the lens of history with praise where it’s only partially due.
So if I understand you correctly, you’re saying that the British have done some great things in their* long history but also some not so great things.
Huh. Who knew?!
* Actually, our history too, since from the Plains of Abraham until fairly recently, we were British too.
The giggle I get is the battles on the Great Lakes during the War of 1812:
– The Americans told their navy “We want the Great Lakes, cost no object. Git ‘er done!” – the British told the RN on the Lakes “No you can’t have more money or reinforcements, and you’d better not give us any bad news this year!” Admittedly, at the tail-end of the Napoleonic wars, there wasn’t much of either to go ’round in Mother England.
(At the same time, a big contributor to the ground war in Upper Canada was the Newfoundland Regiment; doubly delicious as it’d be ~140 years before Newfoundland became a member of Canada – which is still hotly debated in Newfoundland, their Memorial Day was 1 July well before they had “Canada Day” to celebrate. The guy who owns Corel sponsored a statue in Toronto of a Newfoundland Regiment toy soldier standing over a recumbent American toy soldier: indie88.com/torontos-most-distinctive-statues/
And in calling them the Newfoundland Regiment, I’m not slighting them at all; they were given the title “Royal” in WW1, during the Somme battle a year after they’d been practically wiped out at Beaumont Hamel, and the last regiment to receive this honour during wartime, received it 150 years before. 103 Rescue Unit (stationed in Gander) was kept numbered 103 instead of a 400-series like the other RCAF Squadrons, as an article of Confederation; Newfoundlanders had the slogan “103 keeps us free”. A windswept island with a very proud history.)
And for “long history”, I read the remark somewhere: “Americans think 100 years is a long time. Britons think 100 miles is a long way.”
Y. Knott – re: Royal
The Newfoundland Regiment of 1795 was titled royal as was the regiment raised in 1803 which fought in the War of 1812. You might be reading too much into the term “Royal.” Many regiments were founded with the title Royal on day one – The Royal Montreal Regiment and The King’s Royal Regiment of New York are two that come to mind. I’m sure there are others. The Royal Montreal Regiment was formed as a militia unit during war in 1914 but never fought directly in war until 1944. It does, however perpetuate the 14th battalion of WWI.
The King’s Royal Regiment of New York was also formed in Canada by Sir John Johnson Baronet of New York during the American Revolution. Although not primarily British I love being part of a great empire rather than a shit-hole corrupt country called Canada. As an Empire we were strong and proud. As a shit-hole we keep electing Trudeaus.
103 Rescue Unit – story of Articles of Confederation??? Interesting but maybe it’s just a revival and continuation of the same numbered unit that was stationed in Nova Scotia and PEI. There was also a 103rd Squadron in WWII but it is claimed by a 400 numbered squadron.
I wrote a detailed reply but captcha swallowed it so he11 with it; suffice to say, you’re right, the Newfoundland Regiment was “Royal” more often than it was not, but they did march off to WW1 as the Newfoundland Regiment and became “Royal” in 1918. A friend from the Rock says very few Newfoundland families didn’t lose sons or relatives at Beaumont Hamel.
And 103 Sqn suffered heavy casualties and covered themselves with distinction during WW2; the following link has interesting background on the RNAF. vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/222/The-Pink-and-the-Black–The-Royal-Newfoundland-Air-Force.aspx
– Correction – 101 and 102 Sqn’s fought in Europe; 103 was a maritime patrol Sqn on this side of the Atlantic, and it’s possible, Newfoundland and Canada both being Commonwealth, all the “103’s” are the same Sqn, moving to where most needed throughout the Maritimes.
One last try. There was no 103rd Squadron in the RCAF until 1947 at Dartmouth. I’m not sure what genius came up with the number as it was out of sequence with everything. The hundred numbered squadrons started at 110. There was no RNAF. The link you show is humour. There was a 103rd RAF Squadron but it was strictly in Europe. There was a 125th (Newfoundland) Squadron in the RAF but it was never primarily Newfoundland crewed. RCAF historical sequences with some gaps in sequences 1-18; 110 – 170; 400 – 450; 664-666 and 103.
Can’t argue – it appears I fell for it. The only “Newfoundland” Sqn I can find record of was 125 Sqn RAF.
So, you are both playing the game of “someone’s ancestor used a racial slur in the past 10,000 years”.
Let me know how another 14 terms of Trudeau works out for you.
There seems to be a Scottish sentiment that is based on long term resentment of the British that prefers the enslavement to the EU as their form of vengeance. Being a dependent, economic basket case, Scotland has little to lose in such a scenario. The same mentality exists in Quebec.
There are no guarantees that Scotland would get into the EU on its own. The EU states (Spain in particular – think of Catalonia) are not too interested in fostering any form of separatism.
By the way, make that “long term resentment of the English”. The Scots are “British” in the same way that the English, Welsh and people of Northern Ireland are. It’s a civic rather than ethnic identifier. But even “English” and “Scottish” no longer mean what they used to.
The Irish hate the English but would line up for Merkel to march them into the showers. The Irish and English are the same people other than you are somewhat more likely to find an Englishman sober.
And an Englishman is less likely to allow his son to be raped by a pedophile Roman priest.
The Pope was happy to declare the kings of England Lords of Ireland when England was still Roman “Catholic.” Nobody cared about Irish freedom till Henry VIII turned on the Roman Church.
theres a difference between lobbying for independence and *actually* wanting it.
see: kaybeck.
the tactic works beeUUUUUUUtifully.
see: kaybeck.
Common Newfoundland Lore:
The French Van-doos where in Newfoundland engaged in War games They awoke one morning to a naked Newfie yelling from the top of a mountain,,, “I will thump you all & beat your brains in… You yellow frogs”
The Commander of the Van-doos picked 10 of his best men and sent them up the Mountain to capture the naked Newfie and bring him down… after a brief time & the sound of a violent sruggleg… his 10 men where brought down in stretchers all in a comatose condition….
Finally one Van-doo regained conscious enough to speak “It was a trap, there was 2 Newfies”
But but but … Sargon made a rape joke… so there.
Pity so many low IQ savage cultures failed to benefit from being ruled by the benevolent noble British Empire.
That wouldn’t be the benevolent, noble British Empire which wiped-out the native salt-sellers and made Indians buy British salt with hefty tariffs on it, throwing people in jail if they made or collected their own? Just curious…
No one cares.
No one “here” cares – I gather the Chinese are still up-in-arms over the opium wars, the Dutch South Africans are still miffed over the Boer wars, the theft of their gold mines and the concentration camps (it’s where Hitler got the name) in which tens of thousands of Africans died of starvation and disease, the Indians still celebrate the Mutiny, Iran is still in the dumpster over the British ousting Prime Minister Mossadegh when he tried to nationalize the oilfields and get fair prices for Iranian oil, and the Irish will never forgive them for (among lots of other things) shipping tons of Irish produce to England while Ireland was in the depths of the potato famine and thousands were starving to death… I could go on.
Yes the British did many noble, benevolent things – the RN stamped-out the Atlantic slave trade, and the British administration in India put a stop to suttee as examples. Britain has many historical moments to be proud of – and many others, not so much; in the case of the opium wars, you can take Gladstone’s word for it – “a war more unjust in its origin, a war more calculated in its progress to cover this country with permanent disgrace” wikipedia/William_Ewart_Gladstone – and centuries later, we’re still living and dying with the fallout from some of it.
Most countries are like that – “Countries don’t have friends – only interests.” Or maybe, since we’re talking empires, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Let’s not fog the lens of history with praise where it’s only partially due.
So if I understand you correctly, you’re saying that the British have done some great things in their* long history but also some not so great things.
Huh. Who knew?!
* Actually, our history too, since from the Plains of Abraham until fairly recently, we were British too.
The giggle I get is the battles on the Great Lakes during the War of 1812:
– The Americans told their navy “We want the Great Lakes, cost no object. Git ‘er done!” – the British told the RN on the Lakes “No you can’t have more money or reinforcements, and you’d better not give us any bad news this year!” Admittedly, at the tail-end of the Napoleonic wars, there wasn’t much of either to go ’round in Mother England.
(At the same time, a big contributor to the ground war in Upper Canada was the Newfoundland Regiment; doubly delicious as it’d be ~140 years before Newfoundland became a member of Canada – which is still hotly debated in Newfoundland, their Memorial Day was 1 July well before they had “Canada Day” to celebrate. The guy who owns Corel sponsored a statue in Toronto of a Newfoundland Regiment toy soldier standing over a recumbent American toy soldier: indie88.com/torontos-most-distinctive-statues/
And in calling them the Newfoundland Regiment, I’m not slighting them at all; they were given the title “Royal” in WW1, during the Somme battle a year after they’d been practically wiped out at Beaumont Hamel, and the last regiment to receive this honour during wartime, received it 150 years before. 103 Rescue Unit (stationed in Gander) was kept numbered 103 instead of a 400-series like the other RCAF Squadrons, as an article of Confederation; Newfoundlanders had the slogan “103 keeps us free”. A windswept island with a very proud history.)
And for “long history”, I read the remark somewhere: “Americans think 100 years is a long time. Britons think 100 miles is a long way.”
Y. Knott – re: Royal
The Newfoundland Regiment of 1795 was titled royal as was the regiment raised in 1803 which fought in the War of 1812. You might be reading too much into the term “Royal.” Many regiments were founded with the title Royal on day one – The Royal Montreal Regiment and The King’s Royal Regiment of New York are two that come to mind. I’m sure there are others. The Royal Montreal Regiment was formed as a militia unit during war in 1914 but never fought directly in war until 1944. It does, however perpetuate the 14th battalion of WWI.
The King’s Royal Regiment of New York was also formed in Canada by Sir John Johnson Baronet of New York during the American Revolution. Although not primarily British I love being part of a great empire rather than a shit-hole corrupt country called Canada. As an Empire we were strong and proud. As a shit-hole we keep electing Trudeaus.
103 Rescue Unit – story of Articles of Confederation??? Interesting but maybe it’s just a revival and continuation of the same numbered unit that was stationed in Nova Scotia and PEI. There was also a 103rd Squadron in WWII but it is claimed by a 400 numbered squadron.
I wrote a detailed reply but captcha swallowed it so he11 with it; suffice to say, you’re right, the Newfoundland Regiment was “Royal” more often than it was not, but they did march off to WW1 as the Newfoundland Regiment and became “Royal” in 1918. A friend from the Rock says very few Newfoundland families didn’t lose sons or relatives at Beaumont Hamel.
And 103 Sqn suffered heavy casualties and covered themselves with distinction during WW2; the following link has interesting background on the RNAF. vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/222/The-Pink-and-the-Black–The-Royal-Newfoundland-Air-Force.aspx
– Correction – 101 and 102 Sqn’s fought in Europe; 103 was a maritime patrol Sqn on this side of the Atlantic, and it’s possible, Newfoundland and Canada both being Commonwealth, all the “103’s” are the same Sqn, moving to where most needed throughout the Maritimes.
One last try. There was no 103rd Squadron in the RCAF until 1947 at Dartmouth. I’m not sure what genius came up with the number as it was out of sequence with everything. The hundred numbered squadrons started at 110. There was no RNAF. The link you show is humour. There was a 103rd RAF Squadron but it was strictly in Europe. There was a 125th (Newfoundland) Squadron in the RAF but it was never primarily Newfoundland crewed. RCAF historical sequences with some gaps in sequences 1-18; 110 – 170; 400 – 450; 664-666 and 103.
Can’t argue – it appears I fell for it. The only “Newfoundland” Sqn I can find record of was 125 Sqn RAF.
So, you are both playing the game of “someone’s ancestor used a racial slur in the past 10,000 years”.
Let me know how another 14 terms of Trudeau works out for you.
There seems to be a Scottish sentiment that is based on long term resentment of the British that prefers the enslavement to the EU as their form of vengeance. Being a dependent, economic basket case, Scotland has little to lose in such a scenario. The same mentality exists in Quebec.
There are no guarantees that Scotland would get into the EU on its own. The EU states (Spain in particular – think of Catalonia) are not too interested in fostering any form of separatism.
By the way, make that “long term resentment of the English”. The Scots are “British” in the same way that the English, Welsh and people of Northern Ireland are. It’s a civic rather than ethnic identifier. But even “English” and “Scottish” no longer mean what they used to.
The Irish hate the English but would line up for Merkel to march them into the showers. The Irish and English are the same people other than you are somewhat more likely to find an Englishman sober.
And an Englishman is less likely to allow his son to be raped by a pedophile Roman priest.
The Pope was happy to declare the kings of England Lords of Ireland when England was still Roman “Catholic.” Nobody cared about Irish freedom till Henry VIII turned on the Roman Church.
theres a difference between lobbying for independence and *actually* wanting it.
see: kaybeck.
the tactic works beeUUUUUUUtifully.
see: kaybeck.
Common Newfoundland Lore:
The French Van-doos where in Newfoundland engaged in War games They awoke one morning to a naked Newfie yelling from the top of a mountain,,, “I will thump you all & beat your brains in… You yellow frogs”
The Commander of the Van-doos picked 10 of his best men and sent them up the Mountain to capture the naked Newfie and bring him down… after a brief time & the sound of a violent sruggleg… his 10 men where brought down in stretchers all in a comatose condition….
Finally one Van-doo regained conscious enough to speak “It was a trap, there was 2 Newfies”
Newfie= Newfoundland man)
The British Trump! 12 million viewers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6C8gialZcw
GoBoJo – although I wait until Brexit occurs on November 1 before I applaud.