Until now, most pundits have taken the federal Liberals’ word that the carbon tax is going to happen, whether provinces sign on to it or not. No one’s really questioned the legitimacy of Trudeau’s threat to use a “backstop” power that would see Ottawa collecting a price-fixed carbon tax within a particular province if the province itself will not. Even the National Post’s estimable Andrew Coyne suggested not long ago that the Ontario PC leadership candidates’ “declaration of opposition to a carbon tax is… meaningless”: Since Ottawa will levy the tax itself if it has to, “the tax will be collected” whether they liked it or not. In reality, though, a growing number of provinces are girding for battle in what could be a federal-provincial showdown for the ages. Far from being certain of getting its way, the federal government likely lacks the weapons it needs to win.
Federal Environment Minister Catherine McKenna’s tough talk this week warning the Saskatchewan government she was coming to get their carbon taxes (while revoking their $62-million low-carbon grant) could be a bluff.In a few months, she might be trying the same bluff on Ontario, if polls hold up and the next premier ends up being Ford. He has been fiercely decrying the carbon tax, insisting the “reckless” and “job-killing” tax would “do great damage to Ontario.” He promises to “take Justin Trudeau to court” to stop it.
And by next year, Ford could be teaming up in that fight not just with Saskatchewan’s Premier Scott Moe, but likely Jason Kenney in Alberta, who is remarkably popular and currently on track for a landslide victory to become the province’s first United Conservative Party premier in 2019, with a campaign built almost entirely on a promise to axe Alberta’s carbon tax.
Read it all.
If Climate Babs had a clue she’d be dangerous. She has said she is the minister in charge of the weather, from where I sit she’s an epic fail on that score. It would add insult to injury to have to pay a tax on something so taxing to the human spirit.
“No one’s really questioned the legitimacy of Trudeau’s threat to use a ‘backstop’ power that would see Ottawa collecting a price-fixed carbon tax within a particular province if the province itself will not.”
This is where I believe it could all come quickly unglued for the Feds: if they are viewed as “punishing” a particular province.
There’s a constitutional problem here too for Ottawa: only the provinces can impose provincial taxes. An attempt to impose a federal tax on one province but not another is just begging for trouble. To understand the flaw with this, you need only have to consider the hypothetical example I gave in SDA a few days ago: imagine Ottawa proposing a higher GST rate on Alberta because it has no provincial sales tax.
Our Dear Leader and his student council of a government keep going from strength to strength!
Sneaky thieves the lot, when did they campaign for evil versus good? Canadians overwhelmingly said non merci to Stephan Dion and his ” Monster Green Movement”…” we gonnnnna make moneeeeeeeeey widddddddd it!” Well he and his dog Kyoto are now retired. We need to make this gang go the same way too.
I posted this late in the day yesterday, so many may have missed it. It relates to carbon taxes in Australia. Canadians need to be wary. Carbon taxes are a high priority in the globalist agenda:
That post at Jo Nova’s site is really alarming. You know that exactly the same underhanded maneuvering is going on in Canada. We too now have a “framework” for working with the EU which Will march us through all those sustainable development goals, promotion of women, carbon tax, etc. The comments at the site are a real eye opener. Here is one:
“During the carbon tax period when Labor was in government Minister Combet was repeatedly questioned on radio about 10 per cent of the carbon tax being sent to the UN. He reluctantly confirmed that it was.
The radio journalist then asked about emissions trading replacing carbon tax and again Combet was reluctant to answer directly but finally confirmed that carbon tax was destined to become emissions trading scheme and then, as if it sounded better for voters listening, he confirmed that Australia would join the EU Emissions Trading Scheme.
Maybe there is a clue as to why Al Gore was lobbying Clive Palmer and met with Malcolm Turnbull and others during his visits to Australia.
And “Australia’s secret carbon market” is the start.”
We must ask our government if 10% of our carbon taxes will be going to the UN. More here:
http://joannenova.com.au
Has Turdeau publicly explained to voters why the budget hasn’t balanced itself, yet?
I am sure the CBC has questioned him extensively on this, so I guess I just missed the articulate, intelligent and well-reasoned responses he gave them./sarc was maxed then knob torn off.
One thing is for sure, this already scandalous, embattled PM entering a nasty tax war with a provincial bloc would be the ultimate test of the depth of both the party’s and Canadian media’s loyalty to the little Turd, himself. I can imagine a Liberal party civil war as the ‘lil hot potato’s’ sliding popularity numbers drag down the LPC too. This is NOT going to plan at all, he was supposed to guarantee them power, not cost them it.
I will immensely enjoy watching the traitorous boy-king fail.
Barbie is an abject Imbecile….a useful globalist TOOL
“Gendered Impact of Climate Change”
“Carbon Pollution”
Just a couple of examples of the BS that emanates from her mouth and indicative of the complete mirage of her apparent belief that Canada is being a Climate leader.
Her Leader, Tinkerbell, is IMO a turned MB operative, beholden to Soros for his election Victory and 100% intent on turning Canada into a Post Nationalist Venezuela…as he bandies about the globe handing out Multi-Million Dollar cheques to every 2 bit Shithole Islamic Country on the planet, Mandating Climate Change Measures and leading the Population Replacement Program via his Somali Immigration Minister.
(What has he done for Canada..?? SFA.)
In ALL of that, he is beyond dangerous and it’s readily apparent he could give a shit either.
The tax is just that…a tax to fund his activities…and none of it ANY GOOD whatsoever for Canadians.
A TRAITOR.
….and while I’m at it, maybe we as Canadians aught to be thinking of a different style of Democracy…Hmm.?? One with 3 Equal parts of Govt: Legislative – Judicial – Executive…? and with constitution/amendments to match.
What a concept eh.? I like it.
Agree with you all. I/ we are worried about this, we have to stop this madness. They are like an incurable sickness. We have to vote them out again, this is illegal, they are lining their personal pockets.
Have you ever noticed how Climate Woman’s eyes look dead? The rest of them too, they know they are doing wrong and don’t care.
This and these people are despicable. Must must go A.S.A.P.
The weak spot in Liberals carbon tax grab is Climate Change Barbie herself. Opposition critics would be well advised to zero in on her, ask her to defend her policies and keep her explaining, and tweeting. One thing they might ask her repeatedly, is why she considers CO 2 a pollutant. One of her most juvenile slogans, repeated endlessly is Liberals are committed to “putting a price on pollution” CBC and other media simply let her prattle on, but the CPC should hold her to a higher standard. That she is totally out of her depth is obvious and the policies have nothing to do with her input, still Jr has designated her in charge of this file, let her talk.
Here’s what I wss attempting to explain a couple days ago:
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/can-brad-wall-really-challenge-any-federal-carbon-tax-on-crown-corps/
Would Saskatchewan have grounds to launch a constitutional challenge if Ottawa tried to impose a carbon tax on its provincial Crown corporations?
Spoiler alert: The Canadian Press Baloney Meter is a dispassionate examination of political statements culminating in a ranking of accuracy on a scale of “no baloney” to “full of baloney” (complete methodology below).
This one earns a rating of “no baloney” — the statement is completely accurate. Here’s why:
…As a general principle of Canadian constitutional law, governments cannot tax one another, as Wall suggested, said Eric Adams, an associate law professor at the University of Alberta.
Crown corporations that are government “agents” are also protected from being taxed by another government, he added.
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The Federal government might be able to weasel-word its way through the constitutional problem but –
1)it’ll make them look awful to voters who dislike the carbon tax (Alberta,Ontario) and those who dislike federal governmen intrusion (Quebec). If the feds ein then it would allow the feds the legal ability to transgress on prov.jurisdiction and prov.crowns in the future.
2) the courts may simply say no to Trudeau
3) the legislation could get stalled in the senate until after the next federal election
Well said sir, as were all the comments above.
Our Luddite federal puppet show of a government as well as the UN is trying to fulfill Maurice Strong’s dream of deindustrializing the west.
I’m not sure about point 3 but wouldn’t it be strange if the federal government could impose a tax, against the will of that provincial government and its people, that applies to just that one province without HOC or Senate discussion? Can you imagine the uproar if it was Quebec on the receving end of this type of legislation by a Consevative federal government.
Perhaps I’ve missed something here, I’m not sure why the “not withstanding clause” would not be used in Saskatchewan along with every other Province. You want a constitutional battle, here you go Little Potato. This federal pack of ideological regressive flat earth bastards, The Federal Government hasnt ever used anything close to taxing one province at higher rates over others. Am I missing something? The moronic NEP was a regonial disaster certainly hitting Alberta the hardest. Provinces create Provincial taxes, the Feds are, well, Federal. That’s not going too work out with one province higher than all the rest. Envoke the “not withstanding clause” lock them up in court battles forever. More provinces will join. In fact hire Brad Wall as the point man. Har.
Come to think of it there is an applicable precedent – the Canadian Wheat Board. Another federal entity that made it illegal for Western farmers, and only Western farmers, to sell their own wheat and barley. I also remember when the RCMP arrested and jailed a group of farmers who were challenging the law by symbolically selling their grain. If I remember correctly the federal Liberal government dropped the case agsinst the farmers rather than allowing it to go to trial.
Canadian Wheat Board, National Energy program, imposed carbon taxes on Saskatchewan, the equalization program. Isn’t it odd that all of these federal programs disproportionately harm the western provinces.
The real question is whether Climatebarbie is just too stupid to understand the quagmire she is entering or whether she is simply lying. Lying being a job qualification for Lieberals and Climatebarbie being in cabinet because of her gonads, not her intellect, either option is equally likely.
The existence of the GST shows that the Feds can indeed apply a pervasive taxation scheme at the retail level. What would stop them creating a “CST” of 1 or 2%? They could then just tell all the provinces to go their own way and then subsequently ratchet the new tax up as deemed necessary.
Given all the arguments about the “fairness” of the GST, it would seem to be hard to challenge. The Liberals would hopefully then sink below the waves without a trace for trying it, but it that’s another story.
How long before clueless on her file, Climate Barbie, calls on fat arse Gore to come spread some of his manure? Wynne did it, he’s her hero,she had him here,he only charges a few grand?
No matter how one looks at it , .. it’s a tax on absolutely nothing, based entirely on junk science to solve non existing problems. Add to that our government is going in the polar opposite direction from our neighbor in the direction of taxation and we will be enjoying all the benefits of 3rd world status that our Canadian peso will allow in a very short time. Can you spell Venezuela ??
Nothing. A tax that is fairly applied from coast to coast is actually fair. A tax that exempts one province because it has cap and trade but applies it to another because it denies its carbon sequestration project (at saskpower’s BDPS station) isn’t fair.
Tired of people bitching and moaning about carbon tax. It is going to happen, and here is why. No one in Canada will ever separate or even threaten to separate over this. The entire supreme court is Liberals, so going to court isn’t going to help you. Eventually, the slaves of Quebec will just stop moaning and say “thank you sir may we please have another”. Don’t matter if what Trudeau is saying is correct or incorrect, legal or illegal; Quebec Prime Minsters in this country, ALWAYS GET WHAT THEY WANT.
There is only one way you could ever be free of the cupidity of Quebec, and Scott Moe ain’t never gonna put THAT option on the table. Rachel Notely? It is about as likely as she will ever do anything to get a pipeline built. Isthe Quebec party going to threaten separation over this issue and and make you slaves toe the line? Maybe if Lance donates 1 billion dollars to the Sask Party, the Sask Party will put Saskatchewan first?
Since no political entity in the country wants social conservatives, all social conservatives should henceforth put their wallets away, and cease voting for anyone. First they came for the social conservatives, and everyone agreed that social conservatives were bad, m’kay? Then they came for you, and you will have no allies when it happens.
“The Federal Government hasnt ever used anything close to taxing one province at higher rates over others.”
They don’t need to. There are several provincial governments already doing their dirty work for them. Willingly. Right now in AB, if you use natural gas to heat your home (pretty much all of us), our NDP marxist government imposes a “carbon tax” they did not run on during the last election, in the amount 60% over & above what the gas used is. GST is only 5% nationally, most provincial taxes are 7-8%, but no we have to PENALIZE Albertans living in Alberta for the right to do so at 60% of the cost of gas used, never mind what else is taxed The gas tax did not increase as much, because folks would just quit buying it. Natural gas (clean nat gas) you have to use 7 months of the year. Soon to be jacked up for “social license” on pipelines. You can buy a lot of civil service voters to keep you in office indefinitely, with that kind of loot!
In another time, the populace would drag them out of the legislature & hang them for lies, thievery & crimes against humanity. Since when did our governments become God on our dime? Rather arrogant of them, don’t you think?
How about that tanker ban on the NW coast of BC, imposed (or legislation to impose it tabled in the HoC) right after Gateway obtained it’s permit to go ahead? How about Trans Mountain? How much effort has the federal government exercised in making sure that BC or anyone else in opposition, has no jurisdiction to impede progress? Virtually none, they are playing for time. They plan on destroying western canada & Rachel f—ing Notley & John f—ing Horgan/Weaver are out to do their bidding.
What is wrong with that cretin in opposition in the HoC, that serves a riding in western Canaduh & is leader of the so-called conservative Party, that he can’t muster up any forceful opposition to a disinterested, vile, vindictive federal government that will come out to his part of the country to assure steel workers at IPSCO that that big ole meany Trumpster won’t impact their jobs with tariffs, while they thumb their noses at the rest of us out here on building a pipeline to the coast WITH PIPE MADE AT IPSCO TUBULARS???
WTF is wrong with the federal conservative PARTY? Lost their voices? They seem to be cashing in their paychecks with great joy. Now how about doing some work for that paycheck?
Such fun and games.
Thievery will continue until the thieves fear for their lives and livelihood.
Right now it looks grim for the productive citizen, however the end is obvious.
When 10 persons support 1 in nonproductive activity, each suffers a 10% loss, in return for the nonproductive service.
Which must be valuable to those doing the production.
When 10 now carry 6 “valuable but costly” nonproductive persons, the cost becomes unbearable.
No matter how “valuable” these services may be, the producers can no longer afford them.
The producers of this nation can turn their hands to theft and destruction and do so with great penache..however most of us “value” the benefits of a civil society which is built on property rights and rule of law….Oh right..Canadians go ahead,loot and burn,smash head and steal, cause we have neither of those things anymore.
This country is over, when parasites,fools and bandits decree that self defence in your own home and of your own property and loved ones is a criminal act.
And through some truly amazing idiocy have decreed that being an employer is a criminal action..C45
It is not time to Go Along To Get Along anymore.
Time to stomp some roaches ?
Right now in AB, if you use natural gas to heat your home (pretty much all of us), our NDP marxist government imposes a “carbon tax” they did not run on during the last election, in the amount 60% over & above what the gas used is.
Yup. The house I inherited from my father is in B. C. I recently received the gas bill for it for this past January/February. As many people in that part of the country can confirm, those two months were rather cold and I usually wore a down vest while was there.
The cost came to nearly $200/month, partly because the furnace was running a lot of the time as the house gets cold rather quickly. Looking at the breakdown of the various expenses, the actual cost of the natural gas was about half. The remainder were all sorts of taxes and charges. Anything that was ever done to or with the gas before it got to the house had to be paid for.
“…the benefits of a civil society which is built on property rights and rule of law….Oh right..Canadians go ahead,loot and burn,smash head and steal, cause we have neither of those things anymore.”
Exactly! But nine out of ten Canadians wouldn’t have a clue what you were talking about.
“the benefits of a civil society which is built on property rights and rule of law” Yeah…but our Constitution doesn’t mention “property rights”. Property rights were deliberately excluded from the Charter.
“The existence of the GST shows that the Feds can indeed apply a pervasive taxation scheme at the retail level. What would stop them creating a ‘CST’ of 1 or 2%?”
The Feds are perfectly free to levy a federal carbon tax on Canadians, Canadian residents, corporations and businesses across the country anytime they want.
I suspect Our Dear Leader wants the provinces on side to give the scheme – and himself of course – the sheen of respectability by looking like he’s seeking consensus.
The provinces should never be in cahoots with the Feds when it comes to taxes (and vice-versa). Provincial taxes are for funding provincial programmes; federal taxes are for funding federal ones.
It’s that simple. Or ought to be.
Correct, but they were included in John Diefenbaker’s Bill Of Rights, 1960. Trudeau based his Charter partly on this statute, though one would never hear Liberals mention that, or hear it on CBC. Trudeau eliminated the Property Rights portion, as he wanted the state to be paramount in this area.
This actually falls beyond Obstruction and Moves into or close enough for a DOJ Prosecutor to establish the Correct Failure(s) of meeting Her Mayoral Oath.
Possibly this is Collusion with Foreign Nationals wishing to undermine U.S.A. Laws. I think Treason is probably a stretch because The Mayor appears to be a Baby Boomer and any thinking Person understands this within the description means “I Am Me” and can therefore do anything I want.
Disregard the Social Contract with the Americans who fund most things the B.B. era has undertaken to destroy the Building of America by the “greatest generation”___Please note I did not capitalize the description of those who Gave So Much to allow the Feckless B.B. leadership to rise to the level of fecklessness represented by the careless and cowardly level of the Parkland School Massacre.
I certainly hope such a blatent disregard for All students, especially the Murdered Children did not fall within the growing anti-semitism the B.B. meme has moved into the general news by the Smearedia.
The Parkland School has approximately Forty (40) % of the Students with a Jewish Heritage. Even though the premise is Most, if not all, of the Jews attending Parkland are considered Secular, not Practicing Jews, this does not matter to the ISIS Terrorists and considered Targets in their Brain Washing of susceptiible Fools & Tools.
Unfortunately Many, not most, of the democrat Daily Dogma Diktats to their “Deep State suck-ups” with the False Narrative only can think as B.B’s, which the democrat Party of America has pressed forward to build a New Special Voting Block.
This becomes increasingly important to the democrat Party of America as the much forgotten “Human Rights of the Individual” for Black American Citizens went well beyond forgetting to absolute abandonment of Young Black Males in the Inner Cities and much of Rural America.
Unfortunately for the Forty (40) % of Jews attending Parkland School trying to move into a Safer world is unable to do so.
The Preferred American Population, due to potentially larger number of Muslim voters, will gain more & more preference for populism building of Special Voting Blocks by the democrat Party of America.
The Real Americans, mainly in the “flyover” areas of the U.S.A. have fought back and Hopefully slammed the Kitchen Cabinet Screen Door on the Progressive Movement destruction of the “Great Experiment”.
Sadly I can not say this for Canada’s future. The destruction of Canada’s “Social Contract” with Canadian Citizens Culture & Values, managed to fight off the Subversion of Canada’s 150 Year Tradition of Westminster Parliament Voting Structure. A destruction planned by the (proven) Corrupt Liberal Party of Canada when it tried to Ram through a faulty 1981-1982 Canada Constitution Change without a Referendum.
The next destruction effort for Canada’s Culture & Values is now underway with Cabinet Appointments based on Religious adherence. a Representation in Cabinet far beyond a Reprepresentavie Percent %.___For Now!___ Time to follow the Money.
I happen to know the retired federal crown prosecutor who was trying the case against those farmers. To this day he hates Stephen Harper because Harper dropped the case after my buddy had done a whole pile of work. His main complaint was about all the threats he received from the farmers and their friends from all over country while he was simply trying to do his job.
If it would have been the Liberals those farmers would still be in jail.
I felt sorry for my buddy because he was only doing his job, but I agreed when Harper decided to have the Feds drop the charges. It’s always interesting to hear a story from both sides of the aisle.
I’m happy that our slavery to the CWB has ended.
“His main complaint was about all the threats he received from the farmers and their friends from all over country while he was simply trying to do his job.”
Farmers’ main complaint was about all the threats they received from the government and its employees from all over country while they were simply trying to do their job.
Some laws and governments are too dumb to deserve anybody’s support. I respect a lawyer’s ability to not take his work personally; hopefully he didn’t take the threats personally either.
Carbon tax and proposed gun control do not bode for Canadian harmony.
I’m not sure we’re talking about the same group of farmers. I was thinking of the ones arrested in the mid 90s when I was living in SE sask. I looked it up, it was in 1996. Harper didn’t lead the Canadian government until 2006. Surely it wasn’t a 10 year court case. Looks like it was entirely the federal Liberal Party’s war on western Canadian farmers.
https://www.producer.com/1996/03/a-day-in-the-life-of-cwb-protesters/
The only Climate people need be concerned about is the continually growing Climate of Corruption in Government and in Science.
The media was always private until such entities as the CBC. The CBC ought to be unbiased, it is paid for by unbiased taxation and to the extent that the CBC is or has been biased, the government and CBC employees OWE ME MY MONEY BACK.(and I mean every single black nickel of it)
I don’t want cents. The Liberals have degraded the currency that cents have no sense any longer.
The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”
~Vladimir I. Lenin
“The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.”
~Vladimir I. Lenin
Yes I know that the Harper Canadian government jettisoned the penny. The fact is the Harper Regime merely recognized the reality and acted upon that reality.
This century was supposed to be the Canadian century.
The scheer debauchery of Canadian culture , currency, and general economics would indicate otherwise.
(I often tell myself that I’d be happier if I didn’t follow politics)
“I’m happy that our slavery to the CWB has ended.” Me too. I had to retire due to a back injury before I could enjoy the new freedom, but the fellow that rents our land is also happy.
Yes and yes.
I have little sympathy for people who are ‘just doing their job’. The CWB should have been abolished on moral grounds as well as legal. The court at Nuremberg was full of guys who were ‘just doing their job’.
No point in going down the CWB road here. Been there done that.
BTW the chretien government and the SOB rolf goodyear were in power at the time. I think goodyear was first elected in the 1997 election?